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disaacks3
01-23-2008, 08:19 PM
The Texans could be close to hiring longtime NFL defensive specialist Ray Rhodes as an assistant coach.

Rhodes, who was the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles and Green Bay Packers, is interviewing with the Texans on Thursday, and if everything goes as expected, he'll be hired to fill the position vacated by Martin Bayless, the assistant defensive backs coach whose contract was not renewed.

Chronicle Link (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/sports/5480338.html)

PHAROAH
01-23-2008, 08:25 PM
Man getting Ray Rhodes would be outstanding the question will be who will call the plays on defense? Ray Rhodes is an outstanding defensive coordinator so that means Richard Smith could be out of here?

painekiller
01-23-2008, 08:28 PM
The Texans could be close to hiring longtime NFL defensive specialist Ray Rhodes as an assistant coach.

Rhodes, who was the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles and Green Bay Packers, is interviewing with the Texans on Thursday, and if everything goes as expected, he'll be hired to fill the position vacated by Martin Bayless, the assistant defensive backs coach whose contract was not renewed.

Chronicle Link (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/sports/5480338.html)

When he was the DC for the Seahawks he had a health condition (heart iirc) that required him to leave the team for a short period. When he returned he took on a less stressful role with the team. If he wants to do that here, I say great move.

andre'
01-23-2008, 08:33 PM
The Texans will interview former Packers and Eagles head coach Ray Rhodes regarding a spot on their defensive staff Thursday.
Coach Gary Kubiak is making an all-out effort to upgrade his staff, already luring line guru Alex Gibbs out of retirement. Rhodes, who was in Seattle the last five seasons, is one of the league's most respected defensive minds ever.

austintexanite
01-23-2008, 08:35 PM
I think it would be a great pickup, but I would have my concerns over his health. The first thing that popped into my mind was his heart condition and if he is cleared to coach, then I'm for it.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
01-23-2008, 09:32 PM
Richard Smith, YOU are on the Budweiser Hot Seat.

drewmar74
01-23-2008, 09:44 PM
I saw this thread and said "Surely that's one of those pie in the sky 'what if we hired (insert coach or player here)' threads."

I was pretty excited when I saw that it was real. Rhodes was the man. May he come back healthy and ready to help us kick some ass next year.

:woot:

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Is he doing the cabbage patch?

281
01-23-2008, 09:57 PM
it feels good that we're now a team that's actually trying to get better... it didn't really feel that way with the casserly/capers regime.

DerekLee1
01-23-2008, 09:59 PM
MAJOR coup for the Texans! Alex Gibbs and Ray Rhodes in the same offseason? And as POSITION coaches? OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!

Texans_Chick
01-23-2008, 10:04 PM
When he was the DC for the Seahawks he had a health condition (heart iirc) that required him to leave the team for a short period. When he returned he took on a less stressful role with the team. If he wants to do that here, I say great move.

From his wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Rhodes):

In September 2005, Rhodes was hospitalized for dizziness and tests later revealed that he had suffered from a mild stroke.[1]

Early Monday October 2, 2006, the Seahawks charter flight had to make an emergency landing in Rapid City, South Dakota to get precautionary medical care for Rhodes. The Seahawks were flying home from a loss at the Chicago Bears.

From the Seattle website (http://www.seahawks.com/Team/Coaches.aspx?id=8358):

Career History:
1981-82: San Francisco 49ers - Assistant Secondary
1983-91: San Francisco 49ers - Defensive Backs
1992-93: Green Bay Packers - Defensive Coordinator
1994: San Francisco 49ers - Defensive Coordinator
1995-98: Philadelphia Eagles - Head Coach
1999: Green Bay Packers - Head Coach
2000: Washington Redskins - Defensive Coordinator
2001-02: Denver Broncos - Defensive Coordinator
2003-05 Seattle Seahawks - Defensive Coordinator
2006- Seattle Seahawks - Special Projects/Defense

Rhodes began his coaching career in 1981 with the 49ers, spending two seasons as assistant secondary coach before being promoted to defensive backs coach for the 1983-91 seasons. He went on to become one of only four men to serve on the coaching staff of all five of the 49ers’ Super Bowl winning teams (George Seifert, Bob McKittrick and Bill McPherson). In Rhodes 12 seasons as a 49ers assistant, the team earned postseason berths 10 times and advanced to the NFC Championship Game on seven occasions.

In 1981, his first season as an assistant, Rhodes helped the 49ers win Super Bowl XVI with three rookies starting in the defensive backfield–CB Ronnie Lott, CB Eric Wright and S Carlton Williamson. As the 49ers’ secondary coach through 1991, he also saw those same three players, plus S Dwight Hicks, reach the Pro Bowl, among the 16 total Pro Bowl invitations earned by his defensive backfield pupils.

Born October 20, 1950, in Mexia, Texas, Raymond Earl Rhodes graduated from Mexia High School where he earned all-state honors in football as a running back and defensive back. He also lettered in track and field and helped the school reach the state basketball finals.

phantom17
01-23-2008, 10:15 PM
This would be a great hire! Pls make it so McNair!!!!! Now, if we could get rid of our current defensive cordinator!:bat: :doot: :fans:

Kaiser Toro
01-23-2008, 10:23 PM
I am digging the message this is sending to the players and agents. The Texans are serious about winning. :texflag:

Bring back the Man from Mexia. Hopefully we can just call him Ray.

hookinreds
01-23-2008, 10:48 PM
I agree, man the FO is really beginning to stir the pot. You be other teams/players will be taking notice if we land him. I don't care if it is in a limited role, he his mind and instruction could prove priceless for this defense.

Ladies and Gentlemen, this is definitly a sign that the car is coming close to stopping in front of the house. We'll figure out in about 9 months if we are at the right house and need to send someone up there to start knocking on that door!

Ok...so a little premature, and the moment, but as others expressed, it's nice to see that the FO isn't "satisfied".

TexanSam
01-23-2008, 10:59 PM
I would have to imagine with Frank Bush on the staff and potentially Ray Rhodes, a message is being sent to Richard Smith telling him he better improve this defense or else.

At least that's what I think

Texans_Chick
01-23-2008, 11:27 PM
I would have to imagine with Frank Bush on the staff and potentially Ray Rhodes, a message is being sent to Richard Smith telling him he better improve this defense or else.

At least that's what I think

In my mind, it is the type of hire that is actually less threatening to Smith. Rhodes wouldn't be threatening to take over the DC role because of his health concerns limit his time coaching. So we get his experience without really underminding Smith.

With Rhodes, Smith, Jon Hoke, and Jethro Franklin, what I can guarantee you that the defensive side of the ball is going to be intense.

Specnatz
01-24-2008, 12:05 AM
I wonder if SH will say now that two very good quality Asst Coaches have been hired.

stiff
01-24-2008, 12:10 AM
This would be a great hire by the Texans. Sends a great message to the players and fans.

However this almost makes you wonder if Rick Smith has a clause that he has to have at least one former Packers and Denver coach on the staff. :thinking:

threetoedpete
01-24-2008, 01:00 AM
This would be a great hire by the Texans. Sends a great message to the players and fans.

However this almost makes you wonder if Rick Smith has a clause that he has to have at least one former Packers and Denver coach on the staff. :thinking:

I'm thinking the guy has a bad ticker and he is moving closer to some high end help. Wake me when they toss Richard Smith out the door.

DiehardChris
01-24-2008, 01:51 AM
Great hire... he brings the respect and skill of a VERY successful defensive coordinator to an assistant coach position. Hopefully he and Richard Smith will get along well and he'll improve Smith as a DC.

Malloy
01-24-2008, 04:44 AM
In my mind, it is the type of hire that is actually less threatening to Smith. Rhodes wouldn't be threatening to take over the DC role because of his health concerns limit his time coaching. So we get his experience without really underminding Smith.

With Rhodes, Smith, Jon Hoke, and Jethro Franklin, what I can guarantee you that the defensive side of the ball is going to be intense.

I agree, in my mind this is at least in some way the acceptance of Smith. Who knows, it might be that Kubiak is actually satisfied with Smith and knows that the 'lack' of success on defense is due more to the position coaches than the actual plays called. Regardless, it'll be interesting to see how this whole thing pans out ;)

TheRealJoker
01-24-2008, 07:00 AM
Its hard not to think that we wouldn't be a better team with Ray Rhodes on the coaching staff but at the same time its a little hard not to think that we may be heading towards the "too many cooks in the kitchen" problem we had on offense on the defensive side of the ball.

Unless Ray Rhodes is JUST here to coach DBs but I doubt a guy as succesful as he has been wouldn't be brought in unless he had a major role in forming our defensive gameplan every week.

But, if we got Ray Rhodes I wouldn't want him here JUST to be an asst. DB coach, i'd want him to have a role similar to the one Gibbs will be having with the offense.

Kaiser Toro
01-24-2008, 08:29 AM
To many cooks in the kitchen just means you have no professionals or no leaders within the group. In my experience, the cream rises to the top and the sediment floats to the bottom.

Rhodes is a former Head Coach and has experienced probably as much success as all of our coaches combined. The more transfer of knowledge he does the better we become in my opinion.

Second Honeymoon
01-24-2008, 08:53 AM
I wonder if SH will say now that two very good quality Asst Coaches have been hired.

no need to wonder. its obvious that we are taking steps to address what was a woefully poor assistant coach situation. maybe I wasn't the only one who thought our assistants were below par.......sounds like Texans brass felt the same way.

if this move goes through, I will be very happy. Still would like to see us get a new DC but adding Gibbs and Rhodes to a staff would be a big upgrade.

nunusguy
01-24-2008, 08:58 AM
I dunno why is everyone is in love with the possibility of this hire ? What are
they excited about, the guy or his resume ?
He's 50 something and a former HC with a bad ticker. Obviously his career is in decline and not ascending. Is he just bored with all of his downtime as a retiree and looking for a way to pass the idle hours and/or be a part of a team ? I'd rather have a 30 or even 20 something positions coach full of pizz-and-vinegar.

Kaiser Toro
01-24-2008, 09:11 AM
As a Head Coach you need an up and comer and an old guy (preferably an old head coach) as assistants to provide balance. Rhodes has been around success, speaks a common language as Kubiak and obviously has some passion for this game even at the young age of 57.

How do you measure a decline? This guys value is off of the charts if you want to improve your defense and make the playoffs.

Goldensilence
01-24-2008, 09:32 AM
This would be a great hire by the Texans. Sends a great message to the players and fans.

However this almost makes you wonder if Rick Smith has a clause that he has to have at least one former Packers and Denver coach on the staff. :thinking:

Lame. We are bringing in one of the best defensive minds in the league for some time(hopefully) and someone has to make a well why does everyone have to have a Greenbay or Denver tie?

My biggest impression from Ray was his tenure with the Eagles. While Holmgren is more an offensive guy...quietly they've steadily improved on the defensive side of the ball last year and really got going as one of the best units in the league this year.

My hope is if nothing else he will give Smith at least a damn good clue how a great defense is run, what a scheme is, realize how difficult it is to get consistant pressure with you front four and it's okay to blitz early in the season.

Rhodes and Gibbs in one offseason would be a MAJOR COUP for this staff and organization.

Lucky
01-24-2008, 09:37 AM
Some info on Rhodes:

On the '94 Super Bowl champ Niners staff with Kubiak, where his defense finished #6 in the NFL in total yards and takeaways.
On the '01 & '02 Broncos staff with Kubiak (and Texans assistant Frank Bush) as defensive coordinator.
In 9 seasons as defensive coordinator, Rhodes defense finished in the top 10 in 4 seasons.
1981 Super Bowl champ 49ers DB coach, with a secondary starting 3 rookies.It's possible that the '08 Texans could start 3 players in the defensive backfield who are in their 1st or 2nd seasons. Rhodes has proven success working with young DBs, and should be a good fit with the Texans. I don't think Richard Smith is in danger of losing his DC job this year. But, he has to be looking over his shoulder, now.

HoustonFrog
01-24-2008, 09:57 AM
I always liked Rhodes and his pedigree in the coaching circle. This is a great hire. Seems the staff is improving. I also think with guys like this...who have been around and coached top notch talent..it will help in the scouting for the draft. They can pinpoint guys that fit their mold.

badboy
01-24-2008, 10:04 AM
If players can step up when facing competition, so can coaches and DCs. All coaches regardless of which side of the line should take note. Great move Kubes! Next a productive time signing Andre Davis and if price is right Demps. Then a starter or two (CB and OLB?) in free agency and another solid draft.

I think there is even more buzz this off season than last. I know I look forward to the selections after the 3rd round even more so than prior years. Kubes may be a "rookie" head coach, but keeps making good moves.

HOU-TEX
01-24-2008, 10:15 AM
I always liked Rhodes and his pedigree in the coaching circle. This is a great hire. Seems the staff is improving. I also think with guys like this...who have been around and coached top notch talent..it will help in the scouting for the draft. They can pinpoint guys that fit their mold.

I just got back into town and I saw this. Has it actually been finalized? I've heard about it, but have yet to see proof.

Sorry Frog, just thought I'd piggy-back on your post. :)

NitroGSXR
01-24-2008, 10:20 AM
I always liked Rhodes and his pedigree in the coaching circle. This is a great hire. Seems the staff is improving. I also think with guys like this...who have been around and coached top notch talent..it will help in the scouting for the draft. They can pinpoint guys that fit their mold.
I don't believe he's been hired yet. This is just discussion as of right now. Just wanted to be clear on that.

Unless you know something that most of us don't know... If so... linkage, dude. Linkage...

HoustonFrog
01-24-2008, 10:25 AM
I just got back into town and I saw this. Has it actually been finalized? I've heard about it, but have yet to see proof.

Sorry Frog, just thought I'd piggy-back on your post. :)

Sorry, my statement was meant as "this would be a great hire." It was just written as if we did it, "this is a great hire."

nunusguy
01-24-2008, 10:53 AM
To me its analogous to a situation in the corporate environment where a
former CEO would be hired to fulfill a lower managerial positon.
We've already got an old-head in Gibbs, but he's the assistant HC as I understand it ? If they were looking at Rhoads to be the DC, I like it. But,
well like I said not a position in lower level management.
In other words, we've got an overqualification issue IMO and all the things that might go with that.

Mr. White
01-24-2008, 11:06 AM
In other words, we've got an overqualification issue IMO and all the things that might go with that.

Can't disagree, but Richard Smith needs all the help he can get. I have no problem with Ray Rhodes putting his imprint on the D (no matter how small that might be.) Since he's interviewing as the Asst DB coach, then I can't help but think that he'll actually be more of a consultant.

I've been of the opinions that the Texans DB's get a bad rap for the most part. Some of them shouldn't be NFL starters, but as a unit, they aren't as bad as this board makes them out to be.

I guess we'll see if my theory is right.

Texans_Chick
01-24-2008, 11:10 AM
To me its analogous to a situation in the corporate environment where a
former CEO would be hired to fulfill a lower managerial positon.
We've already got an old-head in Gibbs, but he's the assistant HC as I understand it ? If they were looking at Rhoads to be the DC, I like it. But,
well like I said not a position in lower level management.
In other words, we've got an overqualification issue IMO and all the things that might go with that.

Huh?

The guy had a couple of ministrokes and had to back off his hours so he couldn't be a full time DC.

Rhodes has already accomplished more than any member of the defensive staff. He actually has had production everywhere he has gone on the defensive side of the ball.

Overqualification problem? Here's a guy who still likes being in the game but can't spend the hours entailed with having a top job.*

In all sorts of jobs, there are people with experience who stay at jobs they enjoy doing, but do it for less hours.


*Though interestingly, those in Seahawks land:

1. Think that Rhodes wants to be DC again.
2. Talked about how last year, the Seahawks refused permission for Tampa Bay to talk to Rhodes (http://blogs.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2007/01/20/hawks_deny_permission_on_two).

The Tampa Bay Bucs asked the Seahawks for permission to speak with defensive coaches Dwaine Board and Ray Rhodes after the regular season. The Seahawks denied permission on both. This is an interesting situation. Seahawks president Tim Ruskell left the Bucs a few years ago. The current regime in Tampa was a bit cold to him recently, indicating this relationship isn't in the "lovey-dovey" category.

Rhodes is under contract through 2007 as a defensive consultant. Now that his health has stabilized, I would expect him to make another run at being a coordinator at some point in the future. Board, meanwhile, is the only Seattle assistant without a contract for the upcoming season. Ruskell said he's confident they can get him re-signed.

And more (http://dwb.thenewstribune.com/sports/seahawks/story/6331844p-5518841c.html):

The Bucs hired Casullo to coach tight ends, but the Seahawks rejected their advances toward two defensive assistants.

Tampa Bay requested permission to speak with line coach Dwaine Board and consultant Ray Rhodes.

Rhodes is a potential candidate to coach the Seahawks’ secondary, as is assistant defensive backs coach Larry Marmie, Ruskell said.


Just guessing, but if Rhodes comes to the Texans, I am guessing his title isn't going to be just "assistant coach defensive backs."

ChampionTexan
01-24-2008, 11:23 AM
To me its analogous to a situation in the corporate environment where a
former CEO would be hired to fulfill a lower managerial positon.
We've already got an old-head in Gibbs, but he's the assistant HC as I understand it ? If they were looking at Rhoads to be the DC, I like it. But,
well like I said not a position in lower level management.
In other words, we've got an overqualification issue IMO and all the things that might go with that.

This is a guy who coordinated a Super Bowl Defense as recently as two years ago. Too say he's too old to be effective is ridiculous. As to your CEO analogy, if the guy is willing to step into the role, there would be an immense amount to gain from his knowledge. The attitude has to be right, but if it is, age, knowledge and experience are wonderful things to have available.

This strikes me as similar to Gibbs mentoring Shanny Jr. on the offensive side - the only difference is that Richard Smith has been in the position a couple of years. If Rhodes is hired, hopefully, Smith would look at it as the tremendous opportunity that it is, and nothing more.

Lucky
01-24-2008, 11:36 AM
This is a guy who coordinated a Super Bowl Defense as recently as two years ago.
John Marshall was effectively coordinating the Seahawks defense at that point, as Rhodes had his medical problems earlier in the season.

eriadoc
01-24-2008, 12:01 PM
With the constant rumors floating around about Jon Hoke interviewing for this job or that, I see this as an excellent insurance policy, in addition to just being a great hire from a knowledge and success point of view. The more success you can bring into the organization at the coaching ranks, the better. When coaches are flashing SB rings, the players want some of that.

Ray Rhodes is a helluva good defensive coach, and any knowledge he can bring to the club is great. Kubiak is not afraid to get great minds in and take advantage of them. That tells me he has his ego in check, he can take info from various sources, and most of all, he wants to win badly. I know some people have already started to bash Kubiak, but put me solidly on his bandwagon. Of course, I reserve the right to question field-level decisions :D, but these moves here are what win or lose games, not those.

J-Russ
01-24-2008, 12:12 PM
I wonder if Boulware would start after Rhodes become a coach for the Texans. Boulware started for the seahawks when Rhodes was a coach there, don't know if it before or after Rhodes left that Boulware was demoted though.

EDIT:After the 2002 season, Rhodes was reunited with Holmgren when he became the defensive coordinator for the Seattle Seahawks, where he has remained ever since.

In September 2005, Rhodes was hospitalized for dizziness and tests later revealed that he had suffered from a mild stroke.

Early Monday October 2, 2006, the Seahawks charter flight had to make an emergency landing in Rapid City, South Dakota to get precautionary medical care for Rhodes. The Seahawks were flying home from a loss at the Chicago Bears.

He was DC when Boulware was a rookie in 2004, it was Boulware best season(although he didn't start) and it was also Rhodes last season as the full-time DC. Boulware was a full-time starter for the Seahawks the next season. Rhodes was still the DC, until he was hospitalized in September that year. The next year Rhodes was replaced at DC, and so was Boulware at SS.

eriadoc
01-24-2008, 01:10 PM
Boulware has some things he can bring to the table. With a full offseason of OTAs and training camps, he should be able to show whether he's going to be a contributor this year on anything but ST. He's not the strongest in pass coverage, but that doesn't mean a good staff can't scheme to his strengths. I am cautiously optimistic about Boulware, but mostly because there's no risk. If he doesn't make the cut, big deal. We didn't give up too much for him, and we have plenty of strong safeties.

Second Honeymoon
01-24-2008, 01:20 PM
Boulware has some things he can bring to the table. With a full offseason of OTAs and training camps, he should be able to show whether he's going to be a contributor this year on anything but ST. He's not the strongest in pass coverage, but that doesn't mean a good staff can't scheme to his strengths. I am cautiously optimistic about Boulware, but mostly because there's no risk. If he doesn't make the cut, big deal. We didn't give up too much for him, and we have plenty of strong safeties.

well, its arguable that we gave up too much for him considering teh guy we gave up to get Boulware cost us about half our draft in year 3. Thanks asserley.

people can label Kiper a moron but Asserley IS a moron.

eriadoc
01-24-2008, 01:23 PM
well, its arguable that we gave up too much for him considering teh guy we gave up to get Boulware cost us about half our draft in year 3. Thanks asserley.

people can label Kiper a moron but Asserley IS a moron.

That's like poker, man. Once the money's in the pot, it's no longer yours. Casserly screwed the pooch on that deal, but it's long gone.

Second Honeymoon
01-24-2008, 01:44 PM
That's like poker, man. Once the money's in the pot, it's no longer yours. Casserly screwed the pooch on that deal, but it's long gone.


i hear ya and I am not sayin that boulware sucks because i don't think he does. i just think we gave up a guy we gave up a lot to get in order to get someone who was only a ST contributor.

but like you said, its water under the bridge but I will never forgive that crater faced moron, Casserley, ever.

nero THE zero
01-24-2008, 02:01 PM
To me its analogous to a situation in the corporate environment where a
former CEO would be hired to fulfill a lower managerial positon.
We've already got an old-head in Gibbs, but he's the assistant HC as I understand it ? If they were looking at Rhoads to be the DC, I like it. But,
well like I said not a position in lower level management.
In other words, we've got an overqualification issue IMO and all the things that might go with that.

I think you are putting too much into the name of the positions. If you simplify the situation and reassess it I think you will be much happier with it.

I think that Kubiak has realized that his coaching staff is young and inexperienced (much like his players on the field.) So, in turn, I think he is attempting to bring in two highly successful, veteran coaches to mentor his young coaches. Given the fact that all signs point to us improving yet again next year I think it is essential that we bring in some older guys who know how to handle winning and keep the young guys (coaches and plalyers) focused.

Also, I wonder if these (potential) hire(s) foreshadow our actions in free agency. If my premise that Rhodes and Gibbs are an attempt to bring in veteran leadership with winning pasts holds water, I think it stands to reason that we bring in some free agent players that share the same characteristics.

Specnatz
01-24-2008, 02:14 PM
well, its arguable that we gave up too much for him considering teh guy we gave up to get Boulware cost us about half our draft in year 3. Thanks asserley.

people can label Kiper a moron but Asserley IS a moron.

First, earlier in the thread I was just jacking with you because of us going round and round about spending money and getting coaches. Like I said, if he feels we need a change he will do it.

Yes we paid to much for Babin, but not for Boulware. It is like buying something at a garage sale and then not liking it and selling it at you garage sale. you might not get what you paid for it but at least you got something for it versus not getting anything for it.

Second Honeymoon
01-24-2008, 02:38 PM
First, earlier in the thread I was just jacking with you because of us going round and round about spending money and getting coaches. Like I said, if he feels we need a change he will do it.

Yes we paid to much for Babin, but not for Boulware. It is like buying something at a garage sale and then not liking it and selling it at you garage sale. you might not get what you paid for it but at least you got something for it versus not getting anything for it.

We got someone elses hand me downs (boulware) for one of ours (babin). in theory, a wash but it just stings a bit knowing what we paid for Babin. I am sure it stings a bit for you as well.

as for the coaching moves, Rick Smith has obviously been able to convince McNair that we needed more $$ to improve our coaching talent, which has been pretty subpar since Kubes arrival. it wasn't all Kubes fault it was just part and parcel of him being hired so late due to the Broncos playing in the AFC Championship Game. One thing is for sure, Smith is already showing me that he isn't worried about hurting people's feelings and wants to get the best guys for the jobs. $$ be damned.

Lets just hope that RS can get this deal done. *fingers crossed*

Lucky
01-24-2008, 02:58 PM
Lets just hope that RS can get this deal done. *fingers crossed*
Smith wouldn't leak the story to the Chronic if Rhodes wasn't a done deal.

J-Russ
01-24-2008, 03:05 PM
Rhodes is interviewing for us, so its OUR decision whether to hired him or not, correct?

Second Honeymoon
01-24-2008, 03:10 PM
Smith wouldn't leak the story to the Chronic if Rhodes wasn't a done deal.

If it is indeed a done deal, that is two quality assistants brought in within a month of the season ending. this pretty much shushes any thought of a new Def Coord. though. I wouldn't think they would hire a new assistant on defense only to hire a new DC a few weeks later.

76Texan
01-24-2008, 04:02 PM
i hear ya and I am not sayin that boulware sucks because i don't think he does. i just think we gave up a guy we gave up a lot to get in order to get someone who was only a ST contributor.

but like you said, its water under the bridge but I will never forgive that crater faced moron, Casserley, ever.I'm just curious, but what did the other team get for those 3 picks anyway?

The Pencil Neck
01-24-2008, 04:24 PM
I'm just curious, but what did the other team get for those 3 picks anyway?

It was the Titans and I think they got... Ben Troupe, Bo Schobel, and Jacob Bell? Or was it Randy Starks?

Pro Bowlers NOT taken in that draft until the 4th round:
Nathan Vasher
Jared Allen

Lucky
01-24-2008, 04:26 PM
I'm just curious, but what did the other team get for those 3 picks anyway?
Ben Troupe, 2nd round - 5 catches, zero TDs last year
Randy Starks, 3rd round - 16 tackles, zero sacks last year
Bo Schobel, 4th round - With Arizona, one tackle last year

drewmar74
01-24-2008, 04:27 PM
So we still don't have an official announcement on Ray one way or another, eh?

CloakNNNdagger
01-24-2008, 04:58 PM
A point that has been minimized in all these discussions is that with Gibbs and Rhodes in major "consulting" positions, players free agents and draftees alike (as well as Texans' own) will see the Texans as an attractive place to call their "permanent" home.

76Texan
01-24-2008, 05:29 PM
Ben Troupe, 2nd round - 5 catches, zero TDs last year
Randy Starks, 3rd round - 16 tackles, zero sacks last year
Bo Schobel, 4th round - With Arizona, one tackle last year
Thanks, guys!

So we could have had three busts?

michaelm
01-24-2008, 05:33 PM
Thanks, guys!

So we could have had three busts?

I'd be intersted to know how much cash we blew on our single bust versus the combined salaries of the three we could have had... Hey, maybe we saved some money..!

Lucky
01-24-2008, 05:54 PM
So we could have had three busts?
That's not necessarily the players the Texans would have selected. Casserly has stated that had the Texans kept the picks, the highest rated players on their draft board in the 2nd and 3rd round were guards. Some have speculated those guards may have been Justin Smiley (49ers) and Sean Locklear (Seattle).

The Pencil Neck
01-24-2008, 06:27 PM
Thanks, guys!

So we could have had three busts?

We could have had Nathan Vasher or Jared Allen among other guys.

Blu
01-24-2008, 08:54 PM
Huh?



Just guessing, but if Rhodes comes to the Texans, I am guessing his title isn't going to be just "assistant coach defensive backs."

I'll take it even one step further, what if he's here to get the D on track, evaluate players and "prep" Frank Bush so he can become Def Cor.

Plus Rhodes could get Travis Johnson to chill under presure and not make boneheaded plays.
I bet Ray has some stories he could share with the team about the Minister of Sacks

Hervoyel
01-24-2008, 09:10 PM
I think the possibility exists that we might in fact be looking at our future defensive coordinator.

Think of it this way. Last year (and the year before) when so many people were complaining about the way the defense was playing what could the team possibly do about it? Were they going to fire Richard Smith? Could they demote him? Who was going to take over the defense? Frank Bush? He just got here and while full of promise he doesn't exactly have the background to be thought of as a big step up from Richard Smith, at least yet. Jon Hoke?

You can't go firing coordinators if you don't have anybody to put in their place. There just wasn't anybody on the staff to turn to. Now there is. Next year if the Texans are in the bottom of the league in defense for very long look to see Ray Rhodes take over the reigns. That's assuming he's healthy enough to do it and interested in getting back into the stress of the job.

CloakNNNdagger
01-24-2008, 09:19 PM
I'll take it even one step further, what if he's here to get the D on track, evaluate players and "prep" Frank Bush so he can become Def Cor.

Plus Rhodes could get Travis Johnson to chill under presure and not make boneheaded plays.
I bet Ray has some stories he could share with the team about the Minister of Sacks


Whether he holds the official title of DC or not, rest assured he will be functioning as the DC.

TEXANRED
01-24-2008, 09:45 PM
Chron.com is saying the hiring could become official as early as tomorrow.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5484234.html

LonerATO
01-25-2008, 02:55 AM
I see Rhodes as a mentor to Bush more then anything. i dont see him as a future DC as much as I see him passing on all the knowledge that he has

nero THE zero
01-25-2008, 09:30 AM
It's official.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5484614.html

Hardcore Texan
01-25-2008, 09:39 AM
It's official.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5484614.html

Great news!

Goldensilence
01-25-2008, 09:57 AM
Real coup for this staff the second time this off-season.

We've addressed the direction of our offensive line with Gibbs and placed a young up coming guy ina good position to succeed and gain invaluble experience behind Kubiak and Gibbs in Shanahan.

This signing hopefully will set or defense straight. Even if Smith isn't my choice by far heading the defense adding someone with the qualifications and superior background of Ray Rhodes will immediately make this a better defense.

Already quite an offseason and we haven't gotten past the SB. Great work Texans!

Ole Miss Texan
01-25-2008, 10:06 AM
Maybe this will get Michael Boulware out on the field more.

Porky
01-25-2008, 10:16 AM
Another great coup by Richard Smith. One for the D and one for the O. All the sudden, our coaching staff has some real gravitas to it.

TexasOutlaw
01-25-2008, 10:22 AM
When hired by the Seahawks one of his first meeings went like this:

"Whatever you did last year, that **** is gone. We can't **** around - we have to win right now."

The players loved him.

Second Honeymoon
01-25-2008, 10:22 AM
Thanks, guys!

So we could have had three busts?

dude, cmon now. it was a bad trade. period. we gave up half our draft to move up like 14 spots to grab a guy we could have still had without moving up. casserley is a moron and Troupe is a near Pro Bowl player who was injured last year. Starks was a good prospect too. I know its an inconvenient truth but Babin was a below average football player and a horrible value for what we gave up for him and where he was drafted.

oh and thanks Rick Smith and thanks McNair for opening your wallet on some improved coaching. it was sorely needed and should help us a lot.

TheRealJoker
01-25-2008, 10:40 AM
Anytime you give up multiple picks in ANY round for a player and he performs at the level Babin did for us it is a bad trade. Nowadays especially when guys like Willie Parker go undrafted, guys like Marques Colston go nearly undrafted in the bottom half of the last round, and TOM FREAKIN BRADY is a 6th round pick you need all the picks you can get to increase your chances of getting one of the diamonds in the rough.

TheRealJoker
01-25-2008, 10:48 AM
Ray Rhodes is a heck of a hire for our defense. One of our weaknesses we needed to address this offseason was our inexperienced assistant coaching staff. Especially with Mike Sherman leaving we didn't have any names that pop out to other teams and make them say,"That's a good football coach, I might want to give him a promotion to get him to coach for my team."

Now we've added 2 guys that other teams highly covet in Alex Gibbs and Ray Rhodes.

I would like to think Richard Smith's bend but dont break defense will be nearly extinct now that Rhodes is on board, I hope now that a guy like Rhodes is on board he's on a short leash with his "aggressive 4-3" and Kubes/Smith wont hesitate to relieve him of playcalling duties in the event we let the opposing team's backup qb look like Joe Montana this year.

TheRealJoker
01-25-2008, 10:50 AM
One more thought...

Does anyone think signing Rhodes would increase our chances of getting Marcus Trufant in free agency if he is allowed to test the market in March. Getting Rhodes AND Trufant would make us MUCH better equipped to compete with the Colts...

You listening Bob? :d:

The Pencil Neck
01-25-2008, 11:12 AM
Maybe this will get Michael Boulware out on the field more.


And Trufant on our team.

The Pencil Neck
01-25-2008, 11:13 AM
One more thought...

Does anyone think signing Rhodes would increase our chances of getting Marcus Trufant in free agency if he is allowed to test the market in March. Getting Rhodes AND Trufant would make us MUCH better equipped to compete with the Colts...

You listening Bob? :d:

Exactamente!

badboy
01-25-2008, 11:15 AM
One more thought...

Does anyone think signing Rhodes would increase our chances of getting Marcus Trufant in free agency if he is allowed to test the market in March. Getting Rhodes AND Trufant would make us MUCH better equipped to compete with the Colts...

You listening Bob? :d:Trufant will be an "old" 27 next season. I'm not against him but keep that in mind.

michaelm
01-25-2008, 11:21 AM
Exactamente!

At first glance, I thought you said "excrement"... I was saying WFT?!?!

TheRealJoker
01-25-2008, 11:30 AM
Trufant will be an "old" 27 next season. I'm not against him but keep that in mind.

If a season like the one he had this past season is Trufant on the downslide then I think we can get a few years out of him as our top CB....

Brandon420tx
01-25-2008, 11:31 AM
Trufant will be an "old" 27 next season. I'm not against him but keep that in mind.

We're also going to be down 1 dunta next season. He'd be a great fill in.

WWJD
01-25-2008, 11:38 AM
Great hire.

DBCooper
01-25-2008, 12:03 PM
Trufant will be an "old" 27 next season. I'm not against him but keep that in mind.

"Old" at 27............


hahahahahahahaha

Just thought that was funny.

Texans_Chick
01-25-2008, 01:03 PM
"Old" at 27............


hahahahahahahaha

Just thought that was funny.

Trufant grew up in Washington state. I'm thinking that the Seahawks are going to keep him.

He does like Rhodes though and gives him a ton of credit for his development.

In general, I like the idea of Rhodes being on board during the draft and free agent process however.

Texan_Bill
01-25-2008, 01:14 PM
At first glance, I thought you said "excrement"... I was saying WFT?!?!

:elle: WTF???

TexansLucky13
01-25-2008, 01:16 PM
We're also going to be down 1 dunta next season. He'd be a great fill in.

Dunta said he will be able to play at some time next season. We'll see.

Dallas_Texan
01-25-2008, 01:29 PM
Trufant grew up in Washington state. I'm thinking that the Seahawks are going to keep him.

He does like Rhodes though and gives him a ton of credit for his development.

In general, I like the idea of Rhodes being on board during the draft and free agent process however.

Didn't he make a point of saying that he wasn't planning on giving Seattle any form of home field advantage during FA this year? I read that somewhere, but can't remember where. Even if he did though, that could just be a tactic to bump their offer.

Either way, I would love to have him aboard, and after visiting Seattle three times this year, I'm sure he wouldn't mind a change of scenery for a few years! It's more beautiful than any place I've been to in the US (which is everwhere), but only during the 30 days a year that it's not overcast! People argue it rains other places more, but that doesn't mean it's not SOLID overcast in Seattle even when it's not raining!

Specnatz
01-25-2008, 01:32 PM
One more thought...

Does anyone think signing Rhodes would increase our chances of getting Marcus Trufant in free agency if he is allowed to test the market in March. Getting Rhodes AND Trufant would make us MUCH better equipped to compete with the Colts...

You listening Bob? :d:

Why is it people say this? It is not like Bob as you put it is making personel decisions. Shouldn't you be saying Rick as in the GM of the team?

HOU-TEX
01-25-2008, 02:22 PM
:elle: WTF???

He was speaking in Yoda.

Why is it people say this? It is not like Bob as you put it is making personel decisions. Shouldn't you be saying Rick as in the GM of the team?

I agree 100%

As for Trufant coming here, I'm not counting on it.

nero THE zero
01-25-2008, 02:45 PM
A funny Ray Rhodes story from McClain's blog:
I've got a Rhodes story for you. At the NFL meetings in March of 1995, I went to the NFC coaches breakfast and sat at Rhodes' table. He'd been the Eagles' head coach for a couple of months, and he was surrounded by reporters who covered the team.

I introduced myself and said, "Ray, how does it feel to be a Black Cat and a head coach in the NFL?"

Rhodes frowned and gave me a look that would kill.

"Well, I guess it feels just like a white cat feels when he's a head coach in the NFL," he said, his voice dripping with sarcasm.

I was stunned at Rhodes' reply. So were the reporters. I realized that he didn't understand. Neither did the reporters, of course. I looked back at Rhodes, smiled and said, "Ray, I'm from Waco. You're from Mexia. The Mexia Black Cats!"

Then he got it. He broke into a wide grin and said, "Oh, yeah, the Black Cats. Now I know what you mean. I've never had anyone put it to me exactly like that."

austintexanite
01-25-2008, 03:16 PM
What a great hire by Kubes and Smith, hopefully this help in keeping Demps and maybe getting some other quality FA's. With Gibbs and Rhodes on our staff, I'm freaking ecstatic over the hires.

badboy
01-25-2008, 03:23 PM
If a season like the one he had this past season is Trufant on the downslide then I think we can get a few years out of him as our top CB....Agreed, but the law of diminishing return must be kept in mind. He could get better or stay the same for 10 years just doubtfull.

badboy
01-25-2008, 03:29 PM
"Old" at 27............


hahahahahahahaha

Just thought that was funny.Born December 25, 1980, Trufant will be 27 and 9 months when the 2008 season begins. Not arguing, just keeping in perspective. Most free agents want 4+ year contracts, he would be staring at 32 in his last year which is not unheard of for a starting CB; but it needs to be looked at. Nothing says he has to make the team after a year or two if he starts to slip either.

PHAROAH
01-25-2008, 04:02 PM
I agree, in my mind this is at least in some way the acceptance of Smith. Who knows, it might be that Kubiak is actually satisfied with Smith and knows that the 'lack' of success on defense is due more to the position coaches than the actual plays called. Regardless, it'll be interesting to see how this whole thing pans out ;)I don't know what you guys are looking at this is a threat to his Job you are talking about a guy who was a head coach twice and was the defense coordinator on championship teams!!!! I think this is a great hire if we can get him to sign on the dotted line and this will not come cheap.:d:

PHAROAH
01-25-2008, 04:05 PM
It will be interesting to see if that makes Marcus Trufant look at the Texans as a new home since they are both in Seattle.

michaelm
01-25-2008, 04:31 PM
At first glance, I thought you said "excrement"... I was saying WFT?!?!

:elle: WTF???

He was speaking in Yoda.



Keyboard dyslexia...

TheRealJoker
01-25-2008, 07:35 PM
Why is it people say this? It is not like Bob as you put it is making personel decisions. Shouldn't you be saying Rick as in the GM of the team?

I was just making reference to our owner making reference to,"We need ____ to beat the Colts."

I figured if Bob reads the message board and he notices someone claim that Trufant would give us a better chance at beating the Colts he would hand Rick Smith a blank check and tell him to get Trufant on the first plane to Houston after free agency starts :whip:

Malloy
01-26-2008, 04:28 AM
I don't know what you guys are looking at this is a threat to his Job you are talking about a guy who was a head coach twice and was the defense coordinator on championship teams!!!! I think this is a great hire if we can get him to sign on the dotted line and this will not come cheap.:d:

Uhm... think you missed my point. GO read the post again, and the post by TC that I replied to :)

Brandon420tx
01-27-2008, 12:56 PM
Dunta said he will be able to play at some time next season. We'll see.

We won't have Dunta back untill the end of PUP at the earliest (and I'm not holding my breath for that) I think it will take the maximum time for him to get back in the lineup. Either way he should still ease his way back into the game.

Texans_Chick
01-27-2008, 01:22 PM
We won't have Dunta back untill the end of PUP at the earliest (and I'm not holding my breath for that) I think it will take the maximum time for him to get back in the lineup. Either way he should still ease his way back into the game.

I am not optimistic about Dunta being back in 2008. I think he is going to try his hardest, but CB is the sort of position where just a small leg or foot problem can take you out of your game, and he is coming back from something crazy bad.

I think you have to assume he is not coming back in 2008, and that if he comes back in 2009, he might not be the same player. That if he comes back whole, it is a miracle dessert.

I find it interesting that the Rhodes hiring hasn't been announced by the Texans officially yet. I wonder if he is going to get a title different than what McClain announced. Or if there are other things happening with the other coaches.

For example, just based on bios, Rhodes is much more accomplished than Hoke. It would be really weird for Rhodes to just be an assistant to Hoke. I'm wondering whether he gets one of those special projects titles or some such.

drewmar74
01-27-2008, 01:39 PM
I am not optimistic about Dunta being back in 2008. I think he is going to try his hardest, but CB is the sort of position where just a small leg or foot problem can take you out of your game, and he is coming back from something crazy bad.

I think you have to assume he is not coming back in 2008, and that if he comes back in 2009, he might not be the same player. That if he comes back whole, it is a miracle dessert.

I find it interesting that the Rhodes hiring hasn't been announced by the Texans officially yet. I wonder if he is going to get a title different than what McClain announced. Or if there are other things happening with the other coaches.

For example, just based on bios, Rhodes is much more accomplished than Hoke. It would be really weird for Rhodes to just be an assistant to Hoke. I'm wondering whether he gets one of those special projects titles or some such.

I tend to agree on all counts.

I'm just not sure that we can count on Dunta to be back and I would honestly be surprised if he can go back to being a top-shelf cornerback.

As far as next year goes, well, I find it hard to believe that (even with world class medical treatment) he'll be able to be back by the end of the PUP period and, if he does, what will he be? Maybe 65%? 80%? And if he doesn't make it back, well, at that point we've got a dude with great heart but who hasn't played football in something like 18-20 months when he comes back in 2009.

I hope I'm wrong on that. I really, really do.

As far as Rhodes goes... well, I keep waiting to see that official announcement. It's not that I don't think that its going to happen, I just have a hard time seeing how that coaching dynamic is going to work with Rhodes serving as an assistant DB coach. It's not any of our defensive staff has this huge distinguished pedigree that you could see Ray-Ray serving under. So, in short, I'm thinking that there is something amiss with the other members of the defensive coaching staff.

ObsiWan
01-27-2008, 02:45 PM
I find it interesting that the Rhodes hiring hasn't been announced by the Texans officially yet. I wonder if he is going to get a title different than what McClain announced. Or if there are other things happening with the other coaches..

Good point. I mean if this is a done deal, why hasn't it been posted on HT.com? And does this mean Bayless is history?

If Alex Gibbs is "Assistant Head Coach/Offense" will Rhodes be "Assistant Head Coach/Defense"?

And does that trump Defensive Coordinator??

drewmar74
01-27-2008, 02:51 PM
If Alex Gibbs is "Assistant Head Coach/Offense" will Rhodes be "Assistant Head Coach/Defense"?

And does that trump Defensive Coordinator??

"Hope so" on the first one and I'd have to think "yes" on the second one.

76Texan
01-28-2008, 07:31 PM
dude, cmon now. it was a bad trade. period. we gave up half our draft to move up like 14 spots to grab a guy we could have still had without moving up. casserley is a moron and Troupe is a near Pro Bowl player who was injured last year. Starks was a good prospect too. I know its an inconvenient truth but Babin was a below average football player and a horrible value for what we gave up for him and where he was drafted.

oh and thanks Rick Smith and thanks McNair for opening your wallet on some improved coaching. it was sorely needed and should help us a lot.
There are several angles that we can lookie here, and you bet I am willing to entertain all ideas.

Let's take a look at this one simple angle.
The Texans won a few games in the first two years and traded up to get Babin.
A three for one trade where most people think was obnoxious while we had so many needs.

Entered Rick Smith right after the Texans suffered a 2-win season. They went on to achieve a six win season with a long list on IR.
And guess what, the GM whom you're singing, traded 3 to get 2 while we all know the Texans still have needs all up and down the roster.

#8 and #40 and the 08 2nd rounder (#50?) for MS and a #10

Speaking of hindsight and near-miss and injury, we can do that all year long too.
The success rate of trading up and down and about, including all the intricacies that encompass.
Calling people names for a simple thought that a person didn't enough of a good job, sorry, doesn't sit well with me, (not only that, I thought it grossly unjustified -- nothing personal.)

We can discuss all that, as long as you tell me we all can keep an open mind we can really grade a GM's performance over the span of his tenure.

That is, we will have to go beyond and way over our own opinions and seek all the facts, discarding all the myths and heresy along the way.

I am more than obliged to the task, and I welcome (all the more) the helps that have been making this forum an open one and a good one among all the NFL boards that I have visited.

Overalls
01-28-2008, 07:56 PM
Bob Allen on channel 13 news just said that Rhodes has been hired to be Assistant DB's coach.