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Silver Oak
01-21-2008, 12:19 PM
I'm a little frustrated with the official Senior Bowl site not having the complete roster list posted, but here is a list that while not offical, is probably pretty complete.

North team practice today at 4:00 on NFLN.

Arkansas OL Robert Felton, Marcus Harrison and FB Peyton Hillis
Arizona State OL Mike Pollak
Arizona State OL Mike Pollak
Alabama WR D.J. Hall
Alabama DB Simeon Castille
Alabama DL Wallace Gilberry
Auburn DB Patrick Lee
Auburn DE Quentin Groves
Boston College OT Gosder Cherilus
Boston College DB DeJuan Tribble
Boston College QB Matt Ryan
California WR Lavelle Hawkins
California RB Justin Forsett
California DB Thomas DeCoud
Colorado CB Terrence Wheatley
Colorado LB Jordon Dizon
Delaware QB Joe Flacco
East Carolina RB Chris Johnson
Florida State DE Andre Fluellen
Florida State deep snapper Garrison Sanborn
Georgia Tech RB Tashard Choice
Georgia Kicker Brandon Coutu
Georgia Tech LB Philip Wheeler
Georgia Tech DE Darrell Robertson
Georgia Tech P Durant Brooks
Hawaii QB Colt Brennan
Houston WR Donnie Avery
Indiana Deep Snapper Tim Bugg
Indiana CD Tracy Porter
Iowa CB Charles Godfrey
Kansas State WR Jordy Nelson
Kentucky QB Andre Woodson
Kentucky LB Wesley Woodyard
Kentucky TE Jacob Tamme
Kentucky RB Rafael Little
Kentucky WR Keenan Burton
Louisville QB Brian Brohm
LSU WR Early Doucet
LSU FB Jacob Hester
LSU LB Ali Highsmith
LSU DB Craig Steltz
LSU CB Chevis Jackson
Maryland DT Dre Moore
Miami LB Tavares Gooden
Mississippi State DE Titus Brown
Missouri TE Martin Rucker
Michigan QB Chad Henne
Michigan LB Shawn Crable
Michigan S Jamar Adams
Michigan State TE Kellen Davis
North Carolina DT Kentwan Balmer
North Carolina State DT DeMario Pressley
Nebraska OL Carl Nicks
Notre Dames' DB Tom Zbikowski, Trevor Laws, TE John Carlson and OL John Sullivan
New Mexico WR Marcus A. Smith
Ohio State OT Kirk Barton
Oregon State PK Alexis Serna
Oregon State OL Roy Schuening
Oklahoma defensive back D.J. Wolfe
Oklahoma State WR Adarius Bowman and RB Dantrell Savage
Purdue DE Cliff Avril
Purdue WR Dorien Bryant
Penn State LB Dan Connor
Southern California DT Sedrick Ellis
Southern California RB Chauncey Washington
Southern California OL Sam Baker
Southern California QB John David Booty
Southern California TE Fred Davis
Southern California LB Keith Rivers
Southern California DL Lawrence Jackson
Southern California OL Drew Radovich
South Florida LB Ben Moffitt
South Florida CB Mike Jenkins
Tennessee Brad Cottam
Troy DB Leodis McKelvin
Texas A&M DL Red Bryant
Texas S Marcus Griffin and Limas Sweed
Texas A&M C Cody Wallace
Tulane RB Matt Forte
Vanderbilt OT Chris Williams
Virginia Tech LB Xavier Adibi, DE Chris Ellis and receiver/returner Eddie Royal
Wake Forest DL Jeremy Thompson
Wake Forest C Steve Justice

kastofsna
01-21-2008, 12:30 PM
lots of big names at QB.

will obviously keep a close eye on Mike Jenkins.

threetoedpete
01-21-2008, 12:42 PM
Like what I saw out of Ben Moffit at the level he played at. 240 pound guy who can run....very interesting. Not a position of critacal need for the Texans. Although it'd be nice to find a Sam who could turn and run with RB's and TEs.

Got a Feeling he will be targeted by new england in the second day. Ezra Butler will go to a 3-4 team also.

Thought Tommy Blake looked horrific sturaday night. He's either twenty pounds too heavy or twenty pounds too light. The guy has to be hurt to move the way he moved at the Shriner's game. I dunno. He's a shell to what he was two years ago.

beerlover
01-21-2008, 01:08 PM
here is a link to the Senior Bowl site - http://www.seniorbowl.com/2008/

Silver Oak
01-21-2008, 02:05 PM
correction, first practice is at 3:00 CST and not 4:00.

Errant Hothy
01-21-2008, 02:39 PM
Some weights and heights from the Senior Bowl
http://www.gbnreport.com/seniorbowlhtswts.html

tulexan
01-21-2008, 03:09 PM
How are players from Southern Cal on the North team?

Goldensilence
01-21-2008, 04:44 PM
I had no clue Forsett was a Senior. I didn't get to see him a lot but the few times I have been impressed. I have gotten to See Dantrell Savage play and He'd be a good value later in the draft.

I think we get lost in the 40 times and the perenial guy who has game breaking speed to those guys who have good speed, vision and all around game. Looks like a great year to address a few spots we're really lacking at in LT and a solid RB.

nunusguy
01-21-2008, 04:51 PM
NFLNet had some coverage of todays limited practice, but they are supposed to offer more extensive the rest of the week.
Anyway, in the Texans quest for an OLT we got to see some one-on-ones
today between OLineman & DLineman and got a fast look-see at Cosder Cherilus from Boston U. He was impressive: mean dude who moved well & pancaked his opponent on one play and seemed to enjoy it. Excellent size at 6'6.5" with 35 plus arm length. The NFLNet guys seemed to think he might be more of a RT prospect where he played 2 years. But he did play LT this past year.
Looking forward to seeing Baker from USC & Williams from Vandy later this week.

beerlover
01-21-2008, 06:47 PM
How are players from Southern Cal on the North team?

they represented well. lets see most impressive was Sedrick Ellis, interior bull rushing specialist in the Warren Sapp mold. Keith Rivers looked very athletic. did not get to see Baker in one on ones but he was dressed & there. Fred Davis was with the receivers but didnt see him in action either. Booty was very accurate in the receiver drills. really impressed with cb Terrell Thomas big, long arms, fluid my be a first rd. surprise pick.

Brando
01-21-2008, 06:51 PM
Booty was very accurate in the receiver drills.

I know my mind is in the gutter here but that just doesn't sound right.:user:

Glad to see Forsett in the Senior Bowl, I seen him in one game this year and was impressed. Look forward to seeing when and who drafts him.

beerlover
01-21-2008, 06:57 PM
NFLNet had some coverage of todays limited practice, but they are supposed to offer more extensive the rest of the week.
Anyway, in the Texans quest for an OLT we got to see some one-on-ones
today between OLineman & DLineman and got a fast look-see at Cosder Cherilus from Boston U. He was impressive: mean dude who moved well & pancaked his opponent on one play and seemed to enjoy it. Excellent size at 6'6.5" with 35 plus arm length. The NFLNet guys seemed to think he might be more of a RT prospect where he played 2 years. But he did play LT this past year.
Looking forward to seeing Baker from USC & Williams from Vandy later this week.

with a good week of practice Gosder Cherilus will make himself some money. looked the part of a big nasty. has arm length needed to play OT along with attitude. valued highly because of versatility, has played both RT & LT with size & strength to play guard inside.

Ole Miss Texan
01-22-2008, 10:58 AM
with a good week of practice Gosder Cherilus will make himself some money. looked the part of a big nasty. has arm length needed to play OT along with attitude. valued highly because of versatility, has played both RT & LT with size & strength to play guard inside.

That's what I was reading as well. Everyone was amazed at his size, arm length, and hand size. I've always read he's projected at RT in the nfl. played rt untill this last season when he switched to LT...didn't have the best year though- maybe its just new to him...or maybe he's just not a LT. He's definitely got the size I would think, and runs a 5.08-5.14 40-yard dash. I'm typically one to throw an OL's 40 right out the window b/c it's really not that great of a measure imo..at least we know he's fast.

I will really want to see/read/hear how he does playing left tackle and how his feet are, esp. in the other cone drills they run that will really measure his movement side to side. will he be able to get to the 2nd level and block as well? If Gibbs can convert TE's to play LT then I'd give him a shot at Cherilous if he thinks he could be our answer.

painekiller
01-22-2008, 11:56 AM
Thought Tommy Blake looked horrific sturaday night. He's either twenty pounds too heavy or twenty pounds too light. The guy has to be hurt to move the way he moved at the Shriner's game. I dunno. He's a shell to what he was two years ago.


Incase you have not read this. (http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=320828)

Then Blake left the TCU team in fall camp, and he left again four games into the season, both times taking medical leaves of absence that had nothing to do with injuries, substance abuse or performance enhancers.

Blake is under the care of doctors as he tries to regain the form that made him a 2007 preseason All-American. In a Sporting News exclusive, Blake spoke Wednesday night about his state of mind, his struggles to perform well on the field and the skepticism he has heard about his desire to play football.


Reading the article and guessing (that is dangerous), I would say Tommy Blake had/has clinical depression, or a bipolar disorder. The weight gain, the attitude all point to side effects of the drugs used to treat these conditions.

I hope he gets what ever is effecting him under control, and is able to get his life back. Football can wait for, he needs to get healthy. Also not sure to many NFL teams can handle him with the sensitivity that TCU has. They have protected him. In the pros the media can be quite tough in some places.

Today, Tommy Blake is a risk of not being able to play. A team with depth, might want to take a risk. Us we may need to take a prospect with less risk.

painekiller
01-22-2008, 12:07 PM
That's what I was reading as well. Everyone was amazed at his size, arm length, and hand size. I've always read he's projected at RT in the nfl. played rt untill this last season when he switched to LT...didn't have the best year though- maybe its just new to him...or maybe he's just not a LT. He's definitely got the size I would think, and runs a 5.08-5.14 40-yard dash. I'm typically one to throw an OL's 40 right out the window b/c it's really not that great of a measure imo..at least we know he's fast.

I will really want to see/read/hear how he does playing left tackle and how his feet are, esp. in the other cone drills they run that will really measure his movement side to side. will he be able to get to the 2nd level and block as well? If Gibbs can convert TE's to play LT then I'd give him a shot at Cherilous if he thinks he could be our answer.

One of the trouble we will have with Gibbs and his OL, is that no one else will be talking about the guys he takes. So the more that Kiper and Mike Mayock like a guy for conventional wisdom at the OL position, the less likely he is to be a Gibbs guy.

Now I am not saying who Gibbs is looking at, I have no clue, but I will say it will most likely shock us, and confuse us. I remember being confused by Kubiak taking Spencer before Winston and saying he was their LT. He did not meet any of the Kubiak "criteria", so at that point I decided to just let them decide on the who's, and I would just be a fan and cheer.

nunusguy
01-22-2008, 01:24 PM
One of the trouble we will have with Gibbs and his OL, is that no one else will be talking about the guys he takes. So the more that Kiper and Mike Mayock like a guy for conventional wisdom at the OL position, the less likely he is to be a Gibbs guy.

True. But he's looking at a lot of relatively small, but quick OLineman that most of the other teams aren't interested in who are still available in the second day of the Draft. A big advantage in the price of OLinemen talent when using ZB.
Got a look at Sam Baker in this mornings workout and he wasn't as impressive
as Cherolus was yesterday. The NFLNet guy Mayock questions whether he's suited to play OT in the NFL and thinks he may have to move inside.

beerlover
01-22-2008, 01:36 PM
True. But he's looking at a lot of relatively small, but quick OLineman that most of the other teams aren't interested in who are still available in the second day of the Draft. A big advantage in the price of OLinemen talent when using ZB.
Got a look at Sam Baker in this mornings workout and he wasn't as impressive
as Cherolus was yesterday. The NFLNet guy Mayock questions whether he's suited to play OT in the NFL and thinks he may have to move inside.

Baker has now moved down, IMO to the 2nd rd. he's proven to have LT skills but in the NFL its gonna have to be a zone blocking system, like Gibbs uses. very scarey stuff indeed, if the Texans traded down with Baker still on the board.

tulexan
01-22-2008, 02:33 PM
I'm interested in seeing how Forte does this afternoon. From what I've heard, he has been impressing people so far.

76Texan
01-23-2008, 12:53 PM
with a good week of practice Gosder Cherilus will make himself some money. looked the part of a big nasty. has arm length needed to play OT along with attitude. valued highly because of versatility, has played both RT & LT with size & strength to play guard inside.Cherilus has looked good the last couple of days, but he has some problem with the speedy guys.

Joe Flacco & D. Savage also look good

beerlover
01-23-2008, 01:04 PM
Cherilus has looked good the last couple of days, but he has some problem with the speedy guys.

Joe Flacco & D. Savage also look good

looks to me like if he engages the speed guys sooner with those long arms & big hands he'll learn to control the edge or inside rip. will improve just as much as his coaching gets better. he is a tremendous prospect, remember alot of people thought similar of Marcus McNeill (Chargers LT). Cherilus has longer reach, bigger hands & displays a nasty attitude.

painekiller
01-23-2008, 07:15 PM
looks to me like if he engages the speed guys sooner with those long arms & big hands he'll learn to control the edge or inside rip. will improve just as much as his coaching gets better. he is a tremendous prospect, remember alot of people thought similar of Marcus McNeill (Chargers LT). Cherilus has longer reach, bigger hands & displays a nasty attitude.

35 inch arms, compared to 32.5, that is a big difference. I remember a clip with Boselli from years ago, do not remember the defender, but it was a practice. Boselli put his hand on the guys helment and controlled everything the defender tried to do. The guy finally started swinging and Boselli is laughing because the guy is out of reach.

Arm length makes a difference, well it helps.

PHAROAH
01-23-2008, 07:19 PM
CB Leodis McKelvin is very very good he is a much better player than Aqib Talib. If he fell to us I wouldn't mind taking him at 18 but if we have johnathon stewart or rashard mendenhall sitting there I think they might have higher value at that spot than Leodis.

threetoedpete
01-23-2008, 11:18 PM
CB Leodis McKelvin is very very good he is a much better player than Aqib Talib. If he fell to us I wouldn't mind taking him at 18 but if we have johnathon stewart or rashard mendenhall sitting there I think they might have higher value at that spot than Leodis.

Nice take, well done. Agreed he'll move up the board with his preformance today. The gamble is can you teach the guy to make a play on the ball when he gets there. He knows what to do...he has the speed to get there and jump the route....he can't catch a cold. You can coach that though. Give me his skill set and I will figure the rest out.

YoungTexanFan
01-23-2008, 11:31 PM
I like McKelvin. He will be a boarderline 1st rounder I feel, but a very good player.

bah007
01-24-2008, 08:50 AM
Sweed is done for the rest of the week.

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=765648

That's a killer for him.

bigbrewster2000
01-24-2008, 08:58 AM
Sweed is done for the rest of the week.

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2008/Jan/22/op/hawaii801220304.html

That's a killer for him.


Thats the link from your other post.

beerlover
01-26-2008, 01:54 PM
Senior Bowl starts in about one hour (3:00pm) any takers on who will shine the brightest?


just ramblings-

it will be interesting to see the 2nd tier RB's battle. someone who impressed me in workouts is Tashard Choice, Georgia Tech 5-10.5 210 looks bigger, plays with power. then the WR's Hawkins & Jordy Nelson have been impressive 3rd rd. prospects. Andre Caldwell a solid 2nd & gotta love Appalachian State wide receiver Dexter Jackson this years version of Jacoby Jones.

I know this is not at the top of anyones wish list but could you imagine lining up Sedric Ellis next to Amobi Okoye?

really impressed with Gosder Cherilus I beleive he will play LT for somebody on Sundays. not in love with any of the centers. will pay close attention to Cousins, UTEP like his strength & wish we could also add Roy Scheuning, OG OSU perfect zbs guard for Gibbs.

last note see if any LB shines. Dizon seemed solid, alot of people like Ali Highsmith & Xavier Adibi has a ton of potential off the edge.

TexansSeminole
01-26-2008, 02:54 PM
Well, here we go.

The North squad looks pretty deep, but I think the south can pull this one off.

This should be a really good game to see some corners and offensive lineman.

beerlover
01-26-2008, 03:25 PM
no surprise Hawkins with the 1st big play, well Conners INT was also big :)

Lucky
01-26-2008, 03:26 PM
no surprise Hawkins with the 1st big play, well Conners INT was also big :)
Thanks for the update, as Comcast has lost the feed.

TexansSeminole
01-26-2008, 03:28 PM
Brennan really doesnt look very good at all. He weighed in at 185 too. That's going to have to change in order for him to play in the NFL.

beerlover
01-26-2008, 04:38 PM
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie is blowing up. rangy, showcased excellent hands plucking the INT @ peak elevation in space. good recovery skills with break on the ball & locked up big WR with square pads driving him back into the ground one on one. his stock is ascending to early 2nd late 1st. (trade back anyone?)

Oh yeah Sedric Ellis with a sack/safety gonna be a top 10 pick for sure. :specnatz:

rollinstone18
01-26-2008, 04:42 PM
Did Demps get an INT?

will742
01-26-2008, 04:59 PM
Did Demps get an INT?

Yes, in the endzone.:cool:

beerlover
01-26-2008, 06:34 PM
best senior bowl ever?

Cromartie was outstanding before leaving hurt, still voted defensive mvp.

Matt Forte emerged as a player to watch in the 3rd rd. very skilled looking inside runner, good footwork in the hole & finishing runs. voted offensive mvp.

bah007
01-26-2008, 07:38 PM
Anybody been able to find a box score?

Cant find one anywhere.

bah007
01-26-2008, 07:45 PM
Anybody been able to find a box score?

Cant find one anywhere.

Nevermind.

I found one.

http://www.seniorbowl.com/2008/pdf/2008.SeniorBowl.pdf

bah007
01-26-2008, 08:09 PM
A little rundown:

Best passers
Ainge: 13-21, 159 yds
Henne: 5-9, 64 yds, 2 TDs

Best rushers
Forte: 8-59
Hillis: 9-44

Best Receivers
Forte: 4-38
Avery: 3-54
Hawkins: 3-63, TD
Rucker: 3-36, TD

INTs
Cromartie
Demps
Connor (and 9 tackles)

Sacks
Laws
Jones
Ellis (plus a hurry)
Jackson

threetoedpete
01-26-2008, 10:40 PM
Brennan really doesnt look very good at all. He weighed in at 185 too. That's going to have to change in order for him to play in the NFL.

I'll be surprised if he is drafted at all. He has no arm strength at all. Notice the motion...VY II. Credit to VYs body strength for sure. I'm just wondering how much accuracy and zip they lose with that motion?

beerlover
01-26-2008, 10:41 PM
great, great game. simply amazing stuff added to the drama was Kiffens decision not to kick a FG to sew the game up, plus all the rumors he is on his way out in Oakland. very dramatic when the North failed to convert on an outstanding 4th & 1 deep South territory defensive gem by Kendall Langford, Hamption the South drove almost the entire length of the field & on 4th down with 4 seconds left did a reverse to Caldwell who was hit right on the goal line but extended the ball far enough to score the tieing touchdown. the winning fg was close by Brandon Coutu, Georgia.

the defense was good on both sides of the ball, very well played. QB play was inconsistant among the young guns, but the South had a clear advantage in the running game that was the difference. Matt Forte looked really good between the tackles & looks like a good fit for the Texans, maybe if he is still around in the 3rd? Tashard Choice is more athletic & a beast in space but he does not run north & south, prefering to go outside edge. Hester is a sweet player too, that could be like the Patriots Faulk, can do almost anything asked. Peyton Hillis, Arkansas (yes another razorback) is a fine looking FB & short yardage specialist.

threetoedpete
01-26-2008, 10:43 PM
best senior bowl ever?

Cromartie was outstanding before leaving hurt, still voted defensive mvp.

Matt Forte emerged as a player to watch in the 3rd rd. very skilled looking inside runner, good footwork in the hole & finishing runs. voted offensive mvp.

Agreed. For a "raw guy" DRC made prety good accounting of himslef. Made a pile of money this week.

Agreed on forte, The LSU guy also...they got "skills". More than just your averge full backs.

Second Honeymoon
01-26-2008, 10:59 PM
Deion is high on the guy and he was really high on Warren Cromartie last year pre-draft as was Jimmy Johnson. That pick worked out pretty well for the Chargers....

My thoughts on the Senior Bowl...
No arm strength outside of Henne at QB...yawners at QB..Brennan dropped a few rounds at least
No RBs wowed me
Sedric Ellis dominated even through some double teams..I knew this guy was going to skyrocket ala Okoye's stock last year
Dan Connor looked good..possibly great. Rivers looked good too. I would love to have either of those guys but it aint happening.
Cromartie looked legit against top competition

beerlover
01-26-2008, 11:20 PM
you bring up a great point about the Lb's. there are alot of good ones available (Please Smith go out & get the Texans a 2nd). I really like Jordon Dizon, Colorado I'll bet the Patriots go corner or O-line in the 1st & earmark this guy in the 2nd. intelligence & looks like a young Tedy Bruschij just a blue collar football player with great instincts. Woodyard looked like he could handle the edge or weakside. Highsmith is a hitter, very intense player.

kastofsna
01-27-2008, 12:02 AM
wow, forgot this was on.

beerlover
01-27-2008, 12:25 AM
wow, forgot this was on.

tried to give people heads up prior to kick-off, but there should be plenty to review via the internet reports, if you don't have it recorded. of course your always welcome to come to Houston to watch the game & sample some Home Brew :beer:

kastofsna
01-27-2008, 01:12 AM
the reason i wasn't paying attention just so happens to be the fact that i made a monstrous beer haul today. mostly Bells (Expedition and Hopslam). drinking an Expedition right now in fact.

Kaiser Toro
01-27-2008, 09:03 AM
Hester is a sweet player too, that could be like the Patriots Faulk, can do almost anything asked. Peyton Hillis, Arkansas (yes another razorback) is a fine looking FB & short yardage specialist.

I was thinking that either Hillis or Hester could be in Texans training camp next year.

tulexan
01-27-2008, 09:58 AM
best senior bowl ever?

Cromartie was outstanding before leaving hurt, still voted defensive mvp.

Matt Forte emerged as a player to watch in the 3rd rd. very skilled looking inside runner, good footwork in the hole & finishing runs. voted offensive mvp.

Forte made himself a lot of money this week. I'd love to see us take him in the 3rd, but I'm not sure he will be available when we pick.

beerlover
01-27-2008, 10:03 AM
just a note to add from Scott Wright's blog (NFL COUNTDOWN) that he confirmed after the game, "Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie is indeed related to Antonio Cromartie. Apparently they are cousins. Those are some good bloodlines!"

beerlover
01-27-2008, 10:12 AM
Forte made himself a lot of money this week. I'd love to see us take him in the 3rd, but I'm not sure he will be available when we pick.

liked his footwork inside, decisiveness/toughness through the hole & finish end of runs. good North-South runner who fits ZBS system. Gibbs will certainly have a say about this since the running game will be one of his primary focus.

threetoedpete
01-27-2008, 10:14 AM
Forte made himself a lot of money this week. I'd love to see us take him in the 3rd, but I'm not sure he will be available when we pick.

Jets have a history of taking a banger at Rb....wouldn't be shocked at all if they take him in the third. Be a great replacment of the A-train in Tamp Bay.

Second Honeymoon
01-27-2008, 11:07 AM
wow, forgot this was on.

yeah, there is no re-air either. how lame.

threetoedpete
01-28-2008, 09:55 AM
Tranfered mine onto DVD last night . Life is good. Nice write up by
GBN.

http://www.gbnreport.com/seniorbowlwrap.html


The most consistent OTs this week may have been unheralded Oneil Cousins of UTEP and Gosder Cherilus of Boston College. Cousins isn't all that big or physical. but consistently moved his feet well and appeared to be the most technically solid of this year's LT prospects in Mobile. Meanwhile, Cherilus didn't necessarily move all that well but was simply able to engulf defenders when he locked on. On the other hand, Kirk Barton of Ohio State really struggled at times with the pace of the game at the Senior Bowl and was consistenlt beaten all week.

Chance_C
01-28-2008, 01:00 PM
Meanwhile, Cherilus didn't necessarily move all that well but was simply able to engulf defenders when he locked on. On the other hand, Kirk Barton of Ohio State really struggled at times with the pace of the game at the Senior Bowl and was consistenlt beaten all week.

Been intrigued by him since the start of the Senior Bowl. Where is he projected to be drafted? Could it be possible that he would (because of the OT's available) slip to us in the third? Doesn't sound like it, but was just wondering. It would be awesome if we could get a top rated corner and somehow pick up Cherilus also.

beerlover
01-29-2008, 11:41 AM
Senior Bowl Review courtesy of Scott Wright http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/seniorbowl/reports/review.html

Errant Hothy
01-29-2008, 11:58 AM
Senior Bowl Review courtesy of Scott Wright http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/seniorbowl/reports/review.html

I thought is Risers & Fallers was pretty soild as well:
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/seniorbowl/reports/stockwatch.html

7. Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt
- Big, smart and athletic left tackle prospect who makes it look effortless at times.

threetoedpete
01-29-2008, 04:23 PM
Safeties: There won't be a first round pick from this group and maybe not even a second round pick but there are some solid players.

All of you Kenny Phillips guys won't believe me believe him...Phillips is a busted pick. It doen't hit a hole nor does it upgrade the roster. Let it go.

Honoring Earl 34
01-29-2008, 04:30 PM
All of you Kenny Phillips guys won't believe me believe him...Phillips is a busted pick. It doen't hit a hole nor does it upgrade the roster. Let it go.

This reminds me of the year Thomas Davis came out . A bunch of folks said he is what we need .

bigbrewster2000
01-30-2008, 10:01 AM
All of you Kenny Phillips guys won't believe me believe him...Phillips is a busted pick. It doen't hit a hole nor does it upgrade the roster. Let it go.

Pete, he said there wont be one in this group. Kenny Philips was not in that group as he is not a senior and thus not invited to the Senior Bowl. I wouldnt go as far as saying he is a busted pick. He may be a bit overvalued but I think he still has 1st round talent but more like the back part of the 1st.

I personally dont want him and would rather take DeCoud in the 3rd if we were going that route.

bigbrewster2000
01-30-2008, 10:03 AM
This reminds me of the year Thomas Davis came out . A bunch of folks said he is what we need .
That is a much different situation. Thomas Davis was a box safety and is now a LB. He didn't bust, he is a good player. So, I am not sure where you are going with that.

painekiller
01-30-2008, 11:18 AM
Tranfered mine onto DVD last night . Life is good. Nice write up by
GBN.

http://www.gbnreport.com/seniorbowlwrap.html[quoteThe most consistent OTs this week may have been unheralded Oneil Cousins of UTEP and Gosder Cherilus of Boston College. Cousins isn't all that big or physical. but consistently moved his feet well and appeared to be the most technically solid of this year's LT prospects in Mobile[/QUOTE]

Did I watch the same guy? What was the GBN watching, Mike Mayock kept isolating on Cousins to show you how raw he is. The kid did not have any technique, was not comfortable kick stepping and his hand work left a lot of room for improvement. Mayock is saying Cousins will need to go to guard while he works on developing his technique and then maybe he get to play tackle.

Cherilus and Williams had the best technique and where the most consistant. Williams did get into a few scraps, something a scout told him on the plane down would help him get noticed. (http://www.draftdaddy.com/blog/nfldraft.cfm) Vanderbilt offensive tackle Chris Williams, who sat next to our own Matt B. on a plane to Mobile last weekend, is raising eyebrow's in Mobile.

DD.comment: Matt, who played offensive line on the D-3 level, actually told Williams on the way to Mobile that ex-Boston College tackle James Marten got into several fights last year and he became a 3rd round pick, in part, because of it....His exact words to Williams were: "Now I'm not necessarily recommending it, as a habit, but remember there's gonna be fights this week - there are no refs and the coaches actually want to see that stuff. Don't be afraid to kick a little [butt]"
Cherilus was a monster, he looked real solid, My question is, is he just a super RT?

beerlover
01-30-2008, 11:33 AM
Cherilus was a monster, he looked real solid, My question is, is he just a super RT?

I was frustrated watching him stuck @ RT too. The NFL coaches who worked all week with him felt RT was his best position. Cherilus has RT franchise measureables. but his inablity to wall off speed then his dominance to drive block will project him to the right side.

I'll tell another guy who impressed me, plays more like Spencer (3rd rd. pick) was Nebraska Carl Nicks, 6-5 343. wide body, very strong looked like he could pick up players (of course thats holding) & throw them around like rag dolls. the coaches choose to start him @ LT because he had surprisingly quick feet & moved better than expected for a big man (sound familar).

threetoedpete
01-30-2008, 03:21 PM
Did I watch the same guy? What was the GBN watching, Mike Mayock kept isolating on Cousins to show you how raw he is. The kid did not have any technique, was not comfortable kick stepping and his hand work left a lot of room for improvement. Mayock is saying Cousins will need to go to guard while he works on developing his technique and then maybe he get to play tackle.

Cherilus and Williams had the best technique and where the most consistant. Williams did get into a few scraps, something a scout told him on the plane down would help him get noticed. (http://www.draftdaddy.com/blog/nfldraft.cfm)
Cherilus was a monster, he looked real solid, My question is, is he just a super RT?[/QUOTE]



Well you have your choice each round to select Salaam some help. I see cousins as a guy who moved to the o-line late and is still raw. What I also saw is a very athletic tackle who needs to be coched up a bit. He doesn't know how to kick slde very well. He dosen't know how to place his hands correctly consitantly on the shoulder pads, all things which can be fixed with repitition. I also saw a mean MFer who will punish the guy in front of him. He has the attitude. Something Seth Wand never had. He has the quickness and the foot speed. Just a 310 lump of clay looking for a good coach. I knida thought that was what we were looking for ? I could be wrong, but I think he has the best upside in the class.

Collins and Williams are by far the most polished now. I think Cousins passes them in his third year....about the same time you'd expect Salaam to hang them up. I'm wondering this off season if the staff would have ignored the film and selected Tony Ugoh in the third last year instead of Jacoby Jones, how much better off would the roster be ?

One last point; my guess is we are no longer looking for "monsters". We're looking for ZBS guys. The monster isn't that.

Errant Hothy
01-30-2008, 03:30 PM
Did I watch the same guy? What was the GBN watching, Mike Mayock kept isolating on Cousins to show you how raw he is. The kid did not have any technique, was not comfortable kick stepping and his hand work left a lot of room for improvement. Mayock is saying Cousins will need to go to guard while he works on developing his technique and then maybe he get to play tackle.

Cherilus and Williams had the best technique and where the most consistant. Williams did get into a few scraps, something a scout told him on the plane down would help him get noticed. (http://www.draftdaddy.com/blog/nfldraft.cfm)
Cherilus was a monster, he looked real solid, My question is, is he just a super RT?

Well you have your choice each round to slecet Salaam some help. I see cousins as a guy who moved to the o-line late and is still raw. What I also saw is a very athletic tackle who needs to be coched up a bit. He doesn't know how to kick slde very well. He dosen't know how to place his hands correctly consitantly on the shoulder pads. I also saw a mean MFer who will punish the guy in front of him. He has the attitude. Someting Seth Wand never had. He has the quickness and the foot peed. Just a 310 lump of clay looking for a good coach. I knida thought that was what we were looking for ? I could be wrong, but I think he has the best upside in the class.

Collins and Williams are by far the most polished now. I think Cousins passes them in his third year....about the same time you'd expect Salaam to hang them up. I'm wondering this off season if the staff would have ignored the film and selected Tony Ugoh in the third last year instead of Jacoby Jones, how much better off would the roster be ?

Well seeing that Tony Ugoh went in the 2nd round...we wouldn't be much better off at all.

threetoedpete
01-30-2008, 03:38 PM
Well seeing that Tony Ugoh went in the 2nd round...we wouldn't be much better off at all.

http://www.drafthistory.com/teams/colts.html

Sorry I thought Hughes went in the second...my bad. shoulda looked it up.

painekiller
01-30-2008, 10:43 PM
Is it this one
Well you have your choice each round to select Salaam some help. I see cousins as a guy who moved to the o-line late and is still raw. What I also saw is a very athletic tackle who needs to be coched up a bit. He doesn't know how to kick slde very well. He dosen't know how to place his hands correctly consitantly on the shoulder pads, all things which can be fixed with repitition. I also saw a mean MFer who will punish the guy in front of him. He has the attitude. Something Seth Wand never had. He has the quickness and the foot speed. Just a 310 lump of clay looking for a good coach. I knida thought that was what we were looking for ? I could be wrong, but I think he has the best upside in the class.

Collins and Williams are by far the most polished now. I think Cousins passes them in his third year....about the same time you'd expect Salaam to hang them up. I'm wondering this off season if the staff would have ignored the film and selected Tony Ugoh in the third last year instead of Jacoby Jones, how much better off would the roster be ?




or this one (http://texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=831998&postcount=71)

painekiller said "Also the odds are Salaam will be our OLT at the start of the year, even with taking a rookie 1st round "stud". "


And that is exactly the trouble. We're always patching instead of building. Wanna reach at least take the big TE for the OLT, cottom .
At least Gibbs has a history of doing that. Twenty-eight games and couting...What year was Lepsis in when he hung them up? Your basing the whole '08 Season and the QBs health on Salaam making it sixteen games once again with your draft. Lotta eggs in that basket. Good Luck.

BTW I was not saying to draft Cherilus, just that he is/was a monster who had the best week in Mobile. I did ask if he could play the LT position, but not for us

threetoedpete
01-31-2008, 01:31 AM
http://www.draftdaddy.com/MD/MDstat.cfm

painekiller
01-31-2008, 03:34 AM
http://www.draftdaddy.com/MD/MDstat.cfm

i saw that one, one of the reason for my question can he play LT? When Casserly was running the team I screamed when he signed Wade and paid him LT money, I screamed when he signed Victor Riley to play LT because Wade could not.

Well we have a good RT, but we also have an opening at RG. Could Winston become a RG and ...forget it.

We need either CB/RB/OLT/ fill in the blank in the 1st, and that blank would not be a RT that weighs in at 320.

Reports I read said the Atlanta OL is happy that Gibbs is gone, they had to weigh in under 300 lbs. and had troubles making that weight. They also commented on how it hurt their pass blocking.