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HoustonFrog
01-21-2008, 09:14 AM
Matt Ryan #1..don't see it even though Parcells wants a QB that is his guy. In fact this Mock is all over the place

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1144&CID=749667

18. Houston (8-8)
The Pick: Malcolm Kelly, WR, Oklahoma*
The buzz: The Texans are looking to add a standout playmaker opposite Andre Johnson.

Texans Horror
01-21-2008, 10:51 AM
I've thought about Miami taking the best quarterback in the draft. They have had no luck at QB for years now, and need one desperately. So I think there is validity in Miami drafting a QB. But I think Parcells and Sparano will not take the bait here. They will draft the best defensive player they can get.

HoustonFrog
01-21-2008, 11:29 AM
I've thought about Miami taking the best quarterback in the draft. They have had no luck at QB for years now, and need one desperately. So I think there is validity in Miami drafting a QB. But I think Parcells and Sparano will not take the bait here. They will draft the best defensive player they can get.

Yeah, I know Bill probably isn't a Beck guy because Beck isn't a Bill guy. So they definitely will look. I agree though that they will look at a Dorsey or Long at #1. I can even see him taking offers if there are any takers since he likes picks and likes overhauling teams.

alphajoker
01-21-2008, 11:41 AM
I don't think WR is an option in the 1st round for the Texans. This pick doesn't make any sense to me, although, it wouldn't be the first time I would be wrong. But it just seems to me that if they go offense in the 1st, I think they would go OL or RB. Just my :twocents:

tulexan
01-21-2008, 12:08 PM
Another person in the media who has not watched any Texans games.

ArlingtonTexan
01-21-2008, 12:17 PM
Another person in the media who has not watched any Texans games.

You think he could have found a transcript of Kubiak or Rick Smith this off-season. Instead he apparently made these notes in August, and refuses to alter them.

Lucky
01-21-2008, 12:18 PM
The buzz: The Texans are looking to add a standout playmaker opposite Andre Johnson.
The Texans probably are looking for a standout playmaker, but at RB not WR.

HoustonFrog
01-21-2008, 12:34 PM
The Texans probably are looking for a standout playmaker, but at RB not WR.

Exactly. I was surprised to see the comments.

Wolf
01-21-2008, 01:21 PM
7. New England (From San Francisco (5-11))
The Pick: Kenny Phillips, FS, Miami*
The buzz: The Patriots are looking for another impact defender in their changing secondary.


rich would get richer


I wonder what mock draft has come the closest to what the Texans need or do ...will have to do some research

threetoedpete
01-21-2008, 01:23 PM
Another person in the media who has not watched any Texans games.

Wow, just wow. Of all the holes on the club, all of the options at the eighteen, I would be physically ill if they did this. Mind boggling.

The buzz: The Texans are looking to add a standout playmaker opposite Andre Johnson.

Nice guess. Try the wee-gee board again.

He's got players going to the correct slots..... but I doubt it works this way. There will have to be some move ups for the board to fall this way. Parcells has taken a QB one once....and he never took another one high again. His history suggest he trades for them.

If K.C. picks a Qb that would mean from everything I've read, that there has been a major power shift there. Go from Brody Colye is our QB of the future to an instant QB controvery ? I dunno about that one. They are more desperate for o-line help than we are. They could go with o-line the first two picks and I don't think anyone in K.C. would Squawk. And then there is Monk who is goin to drift down the boards on the second day....
K.C. also needs a TE or a slot guy in case Gonzo hangs it up next year.

tulexan
01-21-2008, 01:33 PM
You think he could have found a transcript of Kubiak or Rick Smith this off-season. Instead he apparently made these notes in August, and refuses to alter them.

My guess, he took a look at the roster, didn't recognize any of the receivers outside of Andre Johnson and assumed that the rest were garbage.

threetoedpete
01-21-2008, 01:33 PM
rich would get richer


I wonder what mock draft has come the closest to what the Texans need or do ...will have to do some research

So Hobbs and Gay are going to be his starters at CB in '08...uh huh, now tell me another one.

kastofsna
01-21-2008, 01:35 PM
My guess, he took a look at the roster, didn't recognize any of the receivers outside of Andre Johnson and assumed that the rest were garbage.
that's how 98% of mocks work.

tulexan
01-21-2008, 01:39 PM
So Hobbs and Gay are going to be his starters at CB in '08...uh huh, now tell me another one.

Didn't the Pats just draft Merriweather with a 1st round pick? So they are going to add another FS instead of trying to replace Samuel?

Wolf
01-21-2008, 01:43 PM
Didn't the Pats just draft Merriweather with a 1st round pick? So they are going to add another FS instead of trying to replace Samuel?

that is right, I forgot about Merriweather

threetoedpete
01-21-2008, 01:47 PM
It would make sence if they move Meriweather to Cb. that was Meriweather's strength when he came out. tweener FS/Cb.

Belichick gets into that range....he'll draft a young DL guy to groom. How long has Seymore been going....He gets a shot of one of the upper level DE's who translate into his 3-4 he'll make the pick.

beerlover
01-21-2008, 01:50 PM
Vernon Gholston projects to OLB in a 3-4. however the Pats are prime canidates to trade down, they're always looking for more picks.

Second Honeymoon
01-21-2008, 02:04 PM
yeah, the Texans drafting a WR in the 1st Round is probably not gonna happen. If Andre Davis isn't retained, its possible but still unlikely.

i am still holding out hope that a Kenny Phillips is there at #18 but every mock I see just has him going higher (this mock has him going like 7 to the pats which is way too early for a safety imho)

plus Belichik drafted Merriweather earlier than projected last year and that guy has skills. I doubt he goes back to back safety in the first round in 2 successive years)

threetoedpete
01-21-2008, 02:07 PM
Agreed. the wolf in New England never met a move down he didn't like. Always better to have the move up ammo in you pocket for the next draft. They do a very good job of taking guys, targeting them, who fit their system....and not over pay for them.

TBS they got a bunch of greay beards at LB and a hole at CB....sooner or later he'll have to restock his deffense. Not bad stradegy for them either...I believe they only had two guys drafted stick on the roster last year.

Goldensilence
01-21-2008, 02:58 PM
I'll add myself to the list of being physically Ill if they go WR in the first.

I get the feeling as well they'll need to restock their secondary after this off-season and i doubt this year they open the checkbook again last last year. Phillips might be what they want but I think that's going to be dependant on how Harrison feels about coming back and what they do with Asante if they're willing to give a few other players raises. I get the feeling though if possible they'd like to continue getting younger at LB.

Would anyone take a paycut to join a team that went 16-0 during the regular season? Personally I would but then again....Paychecks are nice to me but i'd rather have a sure shot at a Ring myself.

MorKnolle
01-21-2008, 11:44 PM
Several picks in that mock don't make much sense at all:
1. Miami - Matt Ryan - not sure on this, the new staff may want to bring in their own QB and a QB is most worth the money, but they did just spend a 2nd round pick on John Beck last year and have an aging defense so it wouldn't surprise me to see them go with Chris Long or Glenn Dorsey, maybe even Jake Long.

2. St. Louis - Glenn Dorsey - Dorsey probably grades out higher than Chris Long so I can see it, but DE is probably a bigger need than DT. I won't complain too much about this pick though.

3. Atlanta - Darren McFadden - he would be difficult to pass up but with Warrick Dunn (even though he's getting old) and Jerious Norwood on the team it's far from their biggest weakness, and they have a lot of weaknesses to address.

5. Kansas City - Brian Brohm - not sure about this one either. I have very little confidence in Brodie Croyle being a long-term starter but their staff seems to think otherwise, and if Jake Long is available I don't see them passing him up. They should be well aware of how big of an impact having a great offensive line can have on your whole offense, and how bad your offense can be when 3 great linemen retire.

6. NY Jets - Jake Long - makes no sense. After taking DBrickashaw Ferguson at #4 two years ago it makes no sense to use the #6 pick and invest all that money into a career RT. Having bookend OTs is nice but there is no need to use two top-6 picks in that short of a time frame on OTs, and they definitely have other needs to address.

7. New England - Kenny Phillips - would be a sick tandem in their secondary with him and Meriweather at S, or they could move Meriweather to CB. However, I think they look elsewhere, they have a few other positions that are getting old, and they are definitely a candidate to trade down.

12. Denver - Ryan Clady - seems like a decent fit for the system but with all the defensive woes and their history of taking OLinemen late I just don't see this happening.

13. Carolina - Keith Rivers - no really their biggest need and they took Beason in the 1st last year. I'd be pretty surprised if Rivers gets past Denver.

15. Detroit - Derrick Harvey - he would be a good fit for a cover 2 but the Lions pass rush wasn't the problem on that defense.

17. Minnesota - DeSean Jackson - maybe, but they've acquired some pretty solid talent at WR with some high draft picks the last couple years so I don't really see them taking one in the 1st round, and they don't overly need help at returning kicks either, I think they look elsewhere.

18. Houston - Malcolm Kelly - as already mentioned, this sounds like a guy that looked at the roster and didn't recognize any other WRs so he went with it. WR is seriously the last position that we need to use a high draft pick on. With the players he has available, Dan Connor, any of the CBs, or Mendenhall, Felix Jones, or Jonathan Stewart would probably be the primary targets.

20 Tampa Bay - Aqib Talib - Talib is a great fit for a cover 2, but the Buccaneers had the best pass defense in the league, so I don't know why they'd draft a CB in the 1st. Many of the defensive players are getting old, but I don't know that this pick makes much sense.

22. Dallas - Mario Manningham - I don't think the Cowboys have "big problems in their receiving core". Glenn and Owens are getting old but Crayton is a solid young option. I guess I could see them take a WR in the 1st, but I think there are other, bigger concerns (contrary to a lot of mocks, I don't know that RB is a 1st round need either, Julius Jones may be on his way out but Barber can handle most of the load and they should be able to find a speed back in the mid rounds, although if they take a defensive player here and Felix Jones is available at #30 then I could see the temptation).

25. Seattle - Rashard Mendenhall - I've seen a lot of mocks that have the Seahawks taking a RB here, and I'm not sure I agree. Their running game has struggled and they could use another solid option to complement Shaun Alexander, but he's still the star of the team and I don't know how he'd react to them using a 1st round pick on a RB. I think their running woes are as much about the offensive line as anything. The line hasn't been horrible but it sure isn't the same without Hutchinson, plus Walter Jones is getting fairly old, so it wouldn't surprise me to see them address the OLine instead, and a FS like Reggie Smith wouldn't be bad for them either.

PHAROAH
01-22-2008, 07:57 AM
I think the dolphins will attempt to trade down and then draft QB Matt Ryan or DE/OLB Chris Long. The Houston pick was horrible!!!!:gun:

Ole Miss Texan
01-22-2008, 10:29 AM
I usually tend to lean more to the Need aspect of a pick vs. the best pick available -> however I don't think you need to treat these as two completely individual ideas. We all know areas of need are specifically at OL, Secondary, and RB. Those seem to be the major red flags- so I among many of us would prefer to take the best available player at one of these positions. BUT, in no way shape or form should we reach on a LT/RB/CB if we grade him out to be a 2nd rd pick or even late first. I highly doubt every other player would be graded out equal to that or later. If this situation occurs, I look at who are the bpa's?? for instance an OLB.

To finally get to the point: Is Malcolm Kelly worth the #18 pick- most def. yes. He's one of the best WR's in the draft if not the best and would be absolutely amazing on the Texans. If we resign Andre Davis which I really see happening, wr isn't really that big of a need though. (AJ, KW, AD, JJ) We could say that WR would be a strength to our team but we still lack having an elite corps of WR's which I think Kelly would bring to our team. I wouldn't be upset with the pick strictly b/c I think it would really help our Offense in the long run (so long as the ol gets beefed up).

with that said- even if Kelly is the BPA, the highest rated player that Smith and Kubiak have on their board, I refuse to believe he's THAT much higher rated than other players. If he's graded out as a 94 and all the OL/RB/CB etc are graded in the high 80's- then they have a case for that. But I have a feeling that IF a player at a NEED position is graded a hair below Kelly (say it's a 94 vs 92)- we'll take the player at the need position because that's not necessarily a stretch by any means. I think with the players still on the board- we would NOT take Kelly. Tell me we drafted Kelly and I'd say it's not that bad of a pick- but show me who was still available for that pick and I'd agree with ALL of yall in that we shouldn't have drafted him.

4Texans
01-22-2008, 12:22 PM
http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1144&CID=749667


No way the Texans take a WR with their 1st pick. This guy hasn't been keeping up with the Texans obviously.

Ole Miss Texan
01-22-2008, 12:59 PM
This is what I don't get about Mock Drafts...the date they submit them. Why submit a mock draft on Friday, when Sunday is going to severely alter the selection order. You've got the teams pretty much locked in place except for the last few. Giants will be selecting at #31 no matter what (unless they trade). They lose the SB they pick 31, they win the superbowl...they pick 32 (NE loses the 31 though). I don't see why they don't wait to submit their mocks on monday for people to view throughout the week leading into the next week's games.

Specnatz
01-22-2008, 01:09 PM
This is what I don't get about Mock Drafts...the date they submit them. Why submit a mock draft on Friday, when Sunday is going to severely alter the selection order. You've got the teams pretty much locked in place except for the last few. Giants will be selecting at #31 no matter what (unless they trade). They lose the SB they pick 31, they win the superbowl...they pick 32 (NE loses the 31 though). I don't see why they don't wait to submit their mocks on monday for people to view throughout the week leading into the next week's games.

Any mock draft you see written by a fan or by a so-called expert means nothing before all the Jrs are committed, Heck I still see most out there with the Jr LB from OSU and Jenkins the CB out of OSU as well. Not to mention, only the Shrine bowl has been played and no combines have been done. You will some guy who was projected from a 3rd rounder to move into the first round by heply at one of these senior bowls and after he grades out really well at a combine.

austintexanite
01-22-2008, 01:14 PM
No way we draft a WR with our first pick. That would make me even angrier than when we passed on Derrick Johnson.

Ole Miss Texan
01-22-2008, 02:30 PM
Any mock draft you see written by a fan or by a so-called expert means nothing before all the Jrs are committed, Heck I still see most out there with the Jr LB from OSU and Jenkins the CB out of OSU as well. Not to mention, only the Shrine bowl has been played and no combines have been done. You will some guy who was projected from a 3rd rounder to move into the first round by heply at one of these senior bowls and after he grades out really well at a combine.

No I understand that point...mock drafts by 98% of people are severely off base even when it's the day before the draft. My notion is that you might as well wait 2 days to at least get a more accurate draft order. I'm not judging him too much on how off base some picks are b/c come April 28th Matt Ryan may be the only QB selected in the 1st round...when some mocks will have all 3 QB's taken in the top 10. Not saying that's going to happen but it's a perfect example.

HoustonFrog
01-22-2008, 04:09 PM
22. Dallas - Mario Manningham - I don't think the Cowboys have "big problems in their receiving core". Glenn and Owens are getting old but Crayton is a solid young option. I guess I could see them take a WR in the 1st, but I think there are other, bigger concerns (contrary to a lot of mocks, I don't know that RB is a 1st round need either, Julius Jones may be on his way out but Barber can handle most of the load and they should be able to find a speed back in the mid rounds, although if they take a defensive player here and Felix Jones is available at #30 then I could see the temptation).

Nice review of the pics. I agree with what he had with the Cowboy's needs though. Glenn, just announced, is having surgery and will likely be done. Even without that he and TO are 34 and not getting younger. As we saw in the playoffs Crayton can be off for you. I think they definitely go WR and CB in the first with their two picks.