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badboy
01-16-2008, 01:26 PM
Remember at the start of last season, many thought we could have a better team and not advance much in win loss column? Same could be true next year. We could get LT,CB, RB, OLB and a free safety in off season; resign our probowl FS alternate Demps; sign our free agent WR/returner Andre Davis; have our injured guys back and have a less injury filled season and still be out of play offs.

Having said that, I am the type that doesn't focus as much on the Ws as the play of the team. Less injuries alone would offer a much more enjoyable season and allow us to see our first string match up with others. The QB sack total dropping is awesome and may even improve this year. Sage has played enough to convince me our QB position is well manned and we go into the season without wide receiver being thought of as a weak position. I think that might open up the offense a bit more at first of season.

I think the team as a whole has even more confidence in Kubiac. We know we can trust Ric Smith to bring in guys during the year if needed to shore up positions. And who does not get excited when a punt or kick off is coming to the special teams?

Thorn
01-16-2008, 06:34 PM
I think it's realistic of us to expect a winning season next year, but odds of being in the playoffs are just a tad higher. Although it would be very nice.

WesmanTexanfan
01-16-2008, 06:37 PM
Remember at the start of last season, many thought we could have a better team and not advance much in win loss column? Same could be true next year. We could get LT,CB, RB, OLB and a free safety in off season; resign our probowl FS alternate Demps; sign our free agent WR/returner Andre Davis; have our injured guys back and have a less injury filled season and still be out of play offs.

Having said that, I am the type that doesn't focus as much on the Ws as the play of the team. Less injuries alone would offer a much more enjoyable season and allow us to see our first string match up with others. The QB sack total dropping is awesome and may even improve this year. Sage has played enough to convince me our QB position is well manned and we go into the season without wide receiver being thought of as a weak position. I think that might open up the offense a bit more at first of season.

I think the team as a whole has even more confidence in Kubiac. We know we can trust Ric Smith to bring in guys during the year if needed to shore up positions. And who does not get excited when a punt or kick off is coming to the special teams?

if we can NOT TURN THE BALL OVER..... theres no reason but injuries that we shouldnt go 10-6 to 12-4

Leahmic223
01-16-2008, 06:53 PM
We need to win more division games, at least every division game we play at home. Going 1-5 really hurt us in the end and if we do that every year, pretty good chance we will never make the playoffs.

Hagar
01-16-2008, 07:39 PM
I tend to agree with Badboy to some extent. I think we made strides last year and will continue to make strides next year but our record may not show much improvement and we may not make the playoffs. We are still don't have much depth at any position except WR and our o-line took a huge beating last year (injuries).

I will say, I have faith in Richard Smith (GM) and Kubiak to do a good job. I like what I've seen from them thus far and think that we will continue to improve, slow though it may be.

You have to remember that when these fellas took over we had a very under talented team with little to no cap space and a huge amount of dead money on the roster. Baring a blockbuster trade for someone like AJ, were we got a ton of draft choices, the turn around was going to be slow. This offseason we are estimated to have somewhere between $$23 (http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp) to $35 (http://www.houstonprofootball.com/cap2008.html) million under the cap and I think Smith will make some moves but spend it wisely.

:fans:

wicked_wayz
01-16-2008, 08:14 PM
if we can NOT TURN THE BALL OVER..... theres no reason but injuries that we shouldnt go 10-6 to 12-4

going for 12-4 aint impossible but it doesn't help when we are in the nfl's toughest division

ATX
01-16-2008, 08:30 PM
I honestly don't see why this team won't be able to compete for a playoff spot. We were a couple plays away from getting that final spot and if we can improve a few spots, we should be contenders for a spot. If we can keep the turnovers down and get a little help on the injury front, we should be 9-7 to 11-5 next season.

:texflag:

Speedy
01-16-2008, 08:34 PM
Remember at the start of last season, many thought we could have a better team and not advance much in win loss column? Same could be true next year. We could get LT,CB, RB, OLB and a free safety in off season; resign our probowl FS alternate Demps; sign our free agent WR/returner Andre Davis; have our injured guys back and have a less injury filled season and still be out of play offs.

Or you could get a LT,CB, RB, OLB and a free safety in off season; re-sign our probowl FS alternate Demps; sign our free agent WR/returner Andre Davis; have our injured guys back and have a less injury filled season.....and go 12-4.

WesmanTexanfan
01-16-2008, 08:40 PM
going for 12-4 aint impossible but it doesn't help when we are in the nfl's toughest division

fur sure, but its if everything goes right...... if we split the division thats 10-6, and 1 more wins this year in atlanta and maybe clevland wed be at 11.... one more might be much to ask but doable.... im not expectin 12 wins by any means but i wont be suprised if we get 12...... 13 and ill be suprised...

IlliniJen
01-16-2008, 10:53 PM
I think it's realistic of us to expect a winning season next year, but odds of being in the playoffs are just a tad higher. Although it would be very nice.

We need more than one division win. I will be very impressed with the Texans if they can take a game off of each division opponent.

There's a lot to be said for teams going out with some momentum. Guys didn't give up and they played well at the end of the season, which bodes well for next year. GB entered their offseason last year with some growing momentum, so we could very well trend upward like these guys did. Two years ago they were staring at like 5 wins? Then I think they were close to .500 a year ago and look at them this season.

Would anyone be disappointed if we could trend upwards like GB? Do y'all think that's an apt comparison?

The1ApplePie
01-16-2008, 11:16 PM
QB play may still hold the team back next year

Sage isn't exactly the poster boy for consistency
Schaub can get put out for 4 weeks by a strong breeze

Texans_Chick
01-17-2008, 08:24 AM
I tend to agree with Badboy to some extent. I think we made strides last year and will continue to make strides next year but our record may not show much improvement and we may not make the playoffs. We are still don't have much depth at any position except WR and our o-line took a huge beating last year (injuries).

I will say, I have faith in Richard Smith (GM) and Kubiak to do a good job. I like what I've seen from them thus far and think that we will continue to improve, slow though it may be.

You have to remember that when these fellas took over we had a very under talented team with little to no cap space and a huge amount of dead money on the roster. Baring a blockbuster trade for someone like AJ, were we got a ton of draft choices, the turn around was going to be slow. This offseason we are estimated to have somewhere between $$23 (http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp) to $35 (http://www.houstonprofootball.com/cap2008.html) million under the cap and I think Smith will make some moves but spend it wisely.

:fans:

Rick Smith = GM
Richard Smith = Defensive coordinator

I think the biggest improvement from year 1 of Kubiak to year 2 was knowing the personnel better. They will be trying to replace make-do guys with guys who could start for any NFL team.

Marcus
01-17-2008, 08:38 AM
if we can NOT TURN THE BALL OVER..... theres no reason but injuries that we shouldnt go 10-6 to 12-4

Based upon the injury stats of every season so far, when making future W-L predictions, injuries should be calculated.

Take your original W-L prediction, subtract at least 3 wins to account for the injuries. For instance, I predicted 10-6 barring injuries. It was 8-8.

For 2008, barring injuries, 11-5. Subtract 3 wins for injuries, my prediction is 8-8 again, or 9-7.

Goldensilence
01-17-2008, 08:41 AM
We need more than one division win. I will be very impressed with the Texans if they can take a game off of each division opponent.

There's a lot to be said for teams going out with some momentum. Guys didn't give up and they played well at the end of the season, which bodes well for next year. GB entered their offseason last year with some growing momentum, so we could very well trend upward like these guys did. Two years ago they were staring at like 5 wins? Then I think they were close to .500 a year ago and look at them this season.

Would anyone be disappointed if we could trend upwards like GB? Do y'all think that's an apt comparison?

Agreed about our division. We need to at least go .500 in our division if we want a playoff shot.

I think GB is a great comparison. Last year I beleive they went on a late season surge to finish at 8-8. Lots of momentum going into the offseason...Made a very unexpected draft pick(Harrell much like Okoye) but looked like they were getting what McCarthy was talking about. The defense has looked great and Brett has enough belief in his WR corps this year to play like he has.

Before McCarthy...not sure if either the team was on a slow downfall under Sherman or a lot of the talent they invested in started showing out and producing under McCarthy. Not saying we'll go 13-3 and by any means. But with some smart moves this team could make that move from .500 to playoffs this coming year.

badboy
01-17-2008, 08:49 AM
I tend to agree with Badboy to some extent. I think we made strides last year and will continue to make strides next year but our record may not show much improvement and we may not make the playoffs. We are still don't have much depth at any position except WR and our o-line took a huge beating last year (injuries).

I will say, I have faith in Richard Smith (GM) and Kubiak to do a good job. I like what I've seen from them thus far and think that we will continue to improve, slow though it may be.

You have to remember that when these fellas took over we had a very under talented team with little to no cap space and a huge amount of dead money on the roster. Baring a blockbuster trade for someone like AJ, were we got a ton of draft choices, the turn around was going to be slow. This offseason we are estimated to have somewhere between $$23 (http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp) to $35 (http://www.houstonprofootball.com/cap2008.html) million under the cap and I think Smith will make some moves but spend it wisely.

:fans:The things you mentioned about not so good players and cap are facts. Also, Smith and Kubes had to deal with changing the attitude of the team. Many players came from winning teams only to land with a perpetual loser. I think the present mind set is not only they can win but should. I think Gibbs will only add to this confidence and that will translate to on the field performance. I really liked what Schaub did after he was signed. He made sure he fit in and bonded quickly. Especially with Andre Johnson. Last off season I thought what ever the moves were in FA or draft, it would still leave gaping holes and it did. This year there is a strong possiblity that all significant holes can be addressed in one form or another and that does not include possibilites coming from the IR.

One thing very different this off season for me. No matter what player Kubes drafts, I am not going to say "Demeco who? or You took a Mario Williams when a solid LT and RB were available? Or you took another Dlineman (Okoye)? I am going to nod my head sagely at whomever it is and say "Yep, just what I was thinking. Good move."

badboy
01-17-2008, 08:50 AM
I honestly don't see why this team won't be able to compete for a playoff spot. We were a couple plays away from getting that final spot and if we can improve a few spots, we should be contenders for a spot. If we can keep the turnovers down and get a little help on the injury front, we should be 9-7 to 11-5 next season.

:texflag:
We were not too many plays away from being 4-12 also.

badboy
01-17-2008, 08:55 AM
Or you could get a LT,CB, RB, OLB and a free safety in off season; re-sign our probowl FS alternate Demps; sign our free agent WR/returner Andre Davis; have our injured guys back and have a less injury filled season.....and go 12-4.Isn't there supposed to be a "the" between free safety in (the) off season? I mean it is extremely relevant to the conversation and no one can be expected to understand your thoughts unless you put every "-" in.

PapaL
01-17-2008, 09:03 AM
Isn't there supposed to be a "the" between free safety in (the) off season? I mean it is extremely relevant to the conversation and no one can be expected to understand your thoughts unless you put every "-" in.

There is a HUGE relevant difference between them; link (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/resign):

Re-Sign
1. to sign again.
2. to renew or extend a contract

Resign
1. to give up an office or position, often formally (often fol. by from): to resign from the presidency.
2. to submit; yield: to resign before the inevitable.
3. to give up (an office, position, etc.), often formally.
4. to relinquish (a right, claim, agreement, etc.).
5. to give or sign over, as to the control or care of another: She resigned her child to an adoption agency.
6. to submit (oneself, one's mind, etc.) without resistance.

badboy
01-17-2008, 09:04 AM
Injuries and turnovers are the key elements to me. Next season if any team that made the playoffs lose a QB, CB, WR, two centers, two RBs,offensive guard, starting SS then back up strong safety, etc they might not be in playoffs next year. We keep all those healthy while others go through what we have, Super Bowl!

Texanmike02
01-17-2008, 09:06 AM
There is a HUGE relevant difference between them; link (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/resign):

Re-Sign
1. to sign again.
2. to renew or extend a contract

Resign
1. to give up an office or position, often formally (often fol. by from): to resign from the presidency.
2. to submit; yield: to resign before the inevitable.
3. to give up (an office, position, etc.), often formally.
4. to relinquish (a right, claim, agreement, etc.).
5. to give or sign over, as to the control or care of another: She resigned her child to an adoption agency.
6. to submit (oneself, one's mind, etc.) without resistance.

you mean like our SS should resign as opposed to our FS who we should re-sign?

Mike

badboy
01-17-2008, 09:07 AM
There is a HUGE relevant difference between them; link (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/resign):

Re-Sign
1. to sign again.
2. to renew or extend a contract

Resign
1. to give up an office or position, often formally (often fol. by from): to resign from the presidency.
2. to submit; yield: to resign before the inevitable.
3. to give up (an office, position, etc.), often formally.
4. to relinquish (a right, claim, agreement, etc.).
5. to give or sign over, as to the control or care of another: She resigned her child to an adoption agency.
6. to submit (oneself, one's mind, etc.) without resistance.Big Papa, do you really think any reader of my post thought I meant we would force a probowl alternate into resigning? What about you? Did I confuse you? I think most said "Whoops, he made a typo" and moved on. But whatever turns your motor on.

PapaL
01-17-2008, 09:13 AM
Big Papa, do you really think any reader of my post thought I meant we would force a probowl alternate into resigning? What about you? Did I confuse you? I think most said "Whoops, he made a typo" and moved on. But whatever turns your motor on.

Sure doesn't seem like Speedy was calling you out in a negative way but rather helping your cause. No need to get all wound up about it. You think Hagar is going to get upset that TC pointed out the difference in our GM and DC? Being a message board one can only read what was written, there is very little to no leeway in interpreting what was intended.

badboy
01-17-2008, 09:31 AM
Sure doesn't seem like Speedy was calling you out in a negative way but rather helping your cause. No need to get all wound up about it. You think Hagar is going to get upset that TC pointed out the difference in our GM and DC? Being a message board one can only read what was written, there is very little to no leeway in interpreting what was intended.I guess it struck me wrong that you thought you had to define the two words with a link and everything. I don't mean to be touchy but a - in that word seemed to be over correcting and an un-neccessary jab. I'm moving on.

opiedopie
01-17-2008, 11:09 AM
all i know is things are getting better, and this team is young!

ATX
01-17-2008, 11:23 AM
We were not too many plays away from being 4-12 also.

We were closer to making the playoffs than going 4-12. The only game I can think of that was a real close win was the Miami game.

Joe Texan
01-17-2008, 11:23 AM
And as the Couch Coaches endlessly toil in the prospects available in the draft and on the FA market, not realizing that all is just opinion and will never reach the Head Office. They blindly move past the fact that whatever solution they come up with is forever stuck here on these pages, The Texantalk Pages

rickyb
01-17-2008, 11:26 AM
I guess it struck me wrong that you thought you had to define the two words with a link and everything. I don't mean to be touchy but a - in that word seemed to be over correcting and an un-neccessary jab. I'm moving on.

Of course, it's unnecessary. <hides under chair smiling>

Hey, I'm just joking. Today, I need to joke.

Best,
Rick

badboy
01-17-2008, 12:40 PM
Of course, it's unnecessary. <hides under chair smiling>

Hey, I'm just joking. Today, I need to joke.

Best,
RickAt least you caught it. On to football stuff!

Double Barrel
01-17-2008, 12:48 PM
I'd like to see us win three games in a row for the first time in our history.

I do expect a winning season in 2008. Playoffs are something to hope for, but let's walk before we run. Expecting a playoff berth from a team that has never posted a winning record seems to be putting the cart before the horse, IMO.

Speedy
01-17-2008, 06:33 PM
Isn't there supposed to be a "the" between free safety in (the) off season? I mean it is extremely relevant to the conversation and no one can be expected to understand your thoughts unless you put every "-" in.

You are correct. See your first post.

mattieuk
01-17-2008, 09:05 PM
On the issue of next year, I'm hoping for a .500 divisional record. The Titans are a team we can possibly beat twice, and a win or two in the other 4 games is possible. Don't like the look of our away fixtures, but a good showing at home again should be able to manage we get at least a 8-8 record on the year, which I wouldn't be disappointed with. I'd be happy to move up from 4th in the division though. Get the O-line sorted out, a CB for the loss of Dunta and I think we got a real chance of going places.

Rex King
01-19-2008, 04:02 PM
The Titans are a question mark for next season. They have a lot of key free agents they have to re-sign or replace, but they also have a lot of cap room. They may franchise Fat Albert, which could make him disgruntled, or he may get lazy after getting a fat contract. VY will probably be more effective in an offense designed to better suit his talents, but I'm betting their defense won't be as good.

On paper, our schedule looks tougher than this year. Oakland, Miami, and Cleveland are back.

07: San Diego, Tampa, Denver, NO, KC, Carolina, Atlanta
08: GB, Pittsburgh, Minny, Cincy, Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit

So we may not have as good an out-of-division record; we may actually have to go better than .500 within.

Goldensilence
01-19-2008, 07:35 PM
The Titans are a question mark for next season. They have a lot of key free agents they have to re-sign or replace, but they also have a lot of cap room. They may franchise Fat Albert, which could make him disgruntled, or he may get lazy after getting a fat contract. VY will probably be more effective in an offense designed to better suit his talents, but I'm betting their defense won't be as good.

On paper, our schedule looks tougher than this year. Oakland, Miami, and Cleveland are back.

07: San Diego, Tampa, Denver, NO, KC, Carolina, Atlanta
08: GB, Pittsburgh, Minny, Cincy, Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit

So we may not have as good an out-of-division record; we may actually have to go better than .500 within.

Ouch. didn't realize we were getting the NFC North this year. Really A schizophrenic division though. Whether Brett Returns for another year Will be pressing. Minny Will be a team you'll want to force Tavaris Jackson to beat you atm. Will Detriot still be able to put up oints with Martz gone? What does Chicago do at QB? Defense should be healthy this year though...but will Briggs be gone?

AFC North won't be fun either. You're right though we'll definately have to improve within our division if we want a realistic shot at the playoffs.