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beerlover
01-16-2008, 12:41 PM
Brain racking :hairpull: time to put your best trade down scenero this coming April on file, then we can revisit come draft day & all get a laugh :heh:

Here is one possiblity. IMO

Texans trade with Dallas (who have two 1st rd. picks) exchange #18 for #29 & pick up Dallas 2nd rd. pick. don't know for sure the rotation on the picks (based on ties) after the 1st rd. but if needed the teams could also swap 3rd picks to even out the deal.

Dallas picks

#18 (900) need the best cb available that drives the trade-up for them.

1a. Mike Jenkins, CB 1b. Reggie Smith, CB 1c. Aqib Talib

#22 (not included in this trade) need a RB I'm not sold on Barber & Julius is probably gone.

1a. Richard Mendenhall, RB 1b. Jonathan Stewart, RB 1c. Felix Jones, RB

#82 (180) Saftey is a concern, Roy Williams is a liability in coverage & penalties. could also address WR if one falls.

3a. Marcus Griffen, DB 3b. Adrian Arrington, WR 3c. Craig Steltz, SS

= 1080

Texans picks

#29 (640) Can address OL who fits ZBS late 1st rd. with depth of class.

1a. Michael Oher, LT 1b. Sam Baker, OT 1c. Chris Williams, OT

#69 (292) The crux of the trade down for the Texans is to have a 2nd rd. pick & get immediate help/upgrade @ RB.

2a. Chris Johnson, RB 2b. Ray Rice, RB 2c. James Davis, RB

#93 (128) Smith/Texans will pay & aquire a CB in FA, they have to because of Duntas situation & you never know in a razor thin draft class @ CB who will be available. if the players listed above (Dallas options) are available & they fail in FA to aquire a CB they may stand pat & take one themselves.

3a. Terrell Thomas, CB 3b. Darnell Terrell, CB 3c. Trae Williams, CB

= 1060

:)

HoustonFrog
01-16-2008, 12:44 PM
Trading down always sounds good but I don't think moving up to #18 is going to make Dallas give up a 2nd rounder with the depth out there this year. I don't have the numbers in front of me but I don't believe it adds up.

Also, everyone claims Dallas needs RB. Did you guys see Barber the other day?He is their #1 back and has been for 2 years without starting. Julius is gone and they also still have Tyson Thompson, whom many say is as good as Julius despite limited duties late in the season. The problem there is that he has only returned kicks and was inactive late in the season. We will see.

Dallas will go CB but needs WR also since TO and Glenn are old. They have no young stud WRs at this time.

tulexan
01-16-2008, 12:52 PM
I don't think Oher is going to be there at 29. In fact, I'm not so sure he is going to be available at 18 after the combine and his pro day.

kastofsna
01-16-2008, 01:35 PM
don't really see a reason for Dallas to move up a few spots at this point.

beerlover
01-16-2008, 01:52 PM
don't really see a reason for Dallas to move up a few spots at this point.

sorry, but did you just say moving up over 11 teams is just a few spots in the 1st rd.

beerlover
01-16-2008, 01:54 PM
I don't think Oher is going to be there at 29. In fact, I'm not so sure he is going to be available at 18 after the combine and his pro day.

this is all fine & well I'm not arguing the point but did you notice picks 1b. & 1c.

beerlover
01-16-2008, 01:55 PM
Trading down always sounds good but I don't think moving up to #18 is going to make Dallas give up a 2nd rounder with the depth out there this year. I don't have the numbers in front of me but I don't believe it adds up.

numbers are included

HoustonFrog
01-16-2008, 01:58 PM
numbers are included

Sorry, didn't see them. I still don't think they would do it on a pure depth of this draft standpoint. They are usually ones trying to move down and collect picks.

beerlover
01-16-2008, 02:03 PM
Sorry, didn't see them. I still don't think they would do it on a pure depth of this draft standpoint. They are usually ones trying to move down and collect picks.

I don't disagree with that statement, but you know regardless trade down sceneros will be speculated, I just wanted a thread for people to post their ideal, realistic collective best case sceneros then we can come back @ a latter time & see actually what if any happened :thinking:

rollinstone18
01-16-2008, 02:03 PM
Brain racking :hairpull: time to put your best trade down scenero this coming April on file, then we can revisit come draft day & all get a laugh :heh:

Here is one possiblity. IMO

Texans trade with Dallas (who have two 1st rd. picks) exchange #18 for #29 & pick up Dallas 2nd rd. pick. don't know for sure the rotation on the picks (based on ties) after the 1st rd. but if needed the teams could also swap 3rd picks to even out the deal.

Dallas picks

#18 (900) need the best cb available that drives the trade-up for them.

1a. Mike Jenkins, CB 1b. Reggie Smith, CB 1c. Aqib Talib

#22 (not included in this trade) need a RB I'm not sold on Barber & Julius is probably gone.

1a. Richard Mendenhall, RB 1b. Jonathan Stewart, RB 1c. Felix Jones, RB

#82 (180) Saftey is a concern, Roy Williams is a liability in coverage & penalties. could also address WR if one falls.

3a. Marcus Griffen, DB 3b. Adrian Arrington, WR 3c. Craig Steltz, SS

= 1080

Texans picks

#29 (640) Can address OL who fits ZBS late 1st rd. with depth of class.

1a. Michael Oher, LT 1b. Sam Baker, OT 1c. Chris Williams, OT

#69 (292) The crux of the trade down for the Texans is to have a 2nd rd. pick & get immediate help/upgrade @ RB.

2a. Chris Johnson, RB 2b. Ray Rice, RB 2c. James Davis, RB

#93 (128) Smith/Texans will pay & aquire a CB in FA, they have to because of Duntas situation & you never know in a razor thin draft class @ CB who will be available. if the players listed above (Dallas options) are available & they fail in FA to aquire a CB they may stand pat & take one themselves.

3a. Terrell Thomas, CB 3b. Darnell Terrell, CB 3c. Trae Williams, CB

= 1060

:)

If it pans out that way I'd be happy.

badboy
01-16-2008, 02:04 PM
To me a best trade down scenario would involve someone within 5 picks below Texans that just have to have that one guy that we might draft ourselves or those teams between the two trading teams. Our trading partner hates to do it but is sold that guy is just what they must have and offer a 2nd round. What I don't know is what teams have two second round selections and what are they.

Texas4Some
01-16-2008, 02:19 PM
Any big names out there for Offensive Lineman that could come in and be a starter.

beerlover
01-16-2008, 02:20 PM
the top cb prospects are on a short list. teams that have a dire need in this area if unsuccessful in free agency will look to then fill via the draft. that is probably the only reason why Dallas would consider trading down, if the guy they really, really want is still on the board @ #18 & they know the Texans might just take him themselves.

bah007
01-16-2008, 02:52 PM
Brain racking :hairpull: time to put your best trade down scenero this coming April on file, then we can revisit come draft day & all get a laugh :heh:

Here is one possiblity. IMO

Texans trade with Dallas (who have two 1st rd. picks) exchange #18 for #29 & pick up Dallas 2nd rd. pick. don't know for sure the rotation on the picks (based on ties) after the 1st rd. but if needed the teams could also swap 3rd picks to even out the deal.

Dallas picks

#18 (900) need the best cb available that drives the trade-up for them.

1a. Mike Jenkins, CB 1b. Reggie Smith, CB 1c. Aqib Talib

#22 (not included in this trade) need a RB I'm not sold on Barber & Julius is probably gone.

1a. Richard Mendenhall, RB 1b. Jonathan Stewart, RB 1c. Felix Jones, RB

#82 (180) Saftey is a concern, Roy Williams is a liability in coverage & penalties. could also address WR if one falls.

3a. Marcus Griffen, DB 3b. Adrian Arrington, WR 3c. Craig Steltz, SS

= 1080

Texans picks

#29 (640) Can address OL who fits ZBS late 1st rd. with depth of class.

1a. Michael Oher, LT 1b. Sam Baker, OT 1c. Chris Williams, OT

#69 (292) The crux of the trade down for the Texans is to have a 2nd rd. pick & get immediate help/upgrade @ RB.

2a. Chris Johnson, RB 2b. Ray Rice, RB 2c. James Davis, RB

#93 (128) Smith/Texans will pay & aquire a CB in FA, they have to because of Duntas situation & you never know in a razor thin draft class @ CB who will be available. if the players listed above (Dallas options) are available & they fail in FA to aquire a CB they may stand pat & take one themselves.

3a. Terrell Thomas, CB 3b. Darnell Terrell, CB 3c. Trae Williams, CB

= 1060

:)

The idea seems plausible but I'm wondering what is it about Barber that you aren't sold on?

beerlover
01-16-2008, 03:00 PM
The idea seems plausible but I'm wondering what is it about Barber that you aren't sold on?

you need a fleet of RB's these days & two that compete to start.

Barber has too much movement, in this case wasted motion, maybe its just the hair but I don't get that with Steven Jackson so I don't really think thats it. he seems like a very tough inside runner, who takes on contact & fights for extra yards but to me it seems like he is running in quicksand & not a real threat to break a big one. I would much rather have a true smash mouth runner like Brandon Jacobs then change of pace back with the fast twitch relfex.

but lets don't get sidetracked just because of my opinion. I want to hear some other creative trade down sceneros. if y'all think you can do better lets see it. I'll be waiting.........:pirate:

threetoedpete
01-16-2008, 03:00 PM
They were one and done for the second year in a row ?

Looks good to me beerlover. If the two RB are still on the board at the eighteen they'd have a shot at moving back.

threetoedpete
01-16-2008, 03:11 PM
Any big names out there for Offensive Lineman that could come in and be a starter.

Boy are you behind the curve. It's not a question of are there any. The question is in the '08 draft, how long do you play chicken with the top teired guys befor you're faced with King Dunlap and Heath Benidict's covering your OLT back up spot.

http://www.mynfldraft.com/2008-NFL-Team-Needs

So as a high priority these teams need OTs:
Dolphins , Steelers, K.C., Oakland, Dallas, N.Y. Gaints, Arizona, St. Louis.

O-lineman & second priority OT:
Cincinatti, Houston, Denver, Washington, Detroit, Green Bay, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, Seatlle

Now some of these are gaurd projections....but as you can see there are far more needs than there are high end expect to start in September, prospects

It's going to come down to who blinks first.

badboy
01-16-2008, 04:19 PM
The idea seems plausible but I'm wondering what is it about Barber that you aren't sold on?This looks real good but if we get a CB in FA, could we bluff Dallas into thinking we will still draft a CB? Also can someone evaluate Jamaal Charles in ZBS? Is he considered a one cut and go or does he bounce and pick a hole? He had 7 fumbles for 4 losses, but size and 4.39 is pretty sweet. If we go LT at 18 and no trade would Charles work in third?

Mr PC
01-16-2008, 04:45 PM
That would be pretty sweet. I would even be ok with trading down out of the first round completely if we could pick up 2 second round picks. Here's what day one of the draft could end up looking like for us:

CB/S- Reggie Smith
RB- Jamaal Charles
OT- Tony Hills

Not bad if you ask me.

badboy
01-16-2008, 04:52 PM
That would be pretty sweet. I would even be ok with trading down out of the first round completely if we could pick up 2 second round picks. Here's what day one of the draft could end up looking like for us:

CB/S- Reggie Smith
RB- Jamaal Charles
OT- Tony Hills

Not bad if you ask me.No bad at all and the UT fans would love it.

bah007
01-16-2008, 07:25 PM
No bad at all and the UT fans would love it.

Maybe not all of them since there's an OU kid in the 1st.

Hottoddie
01-16-2008, 10:54 PM
Here's a couple of ballsy trades. Both involve trading out of the 1st round all together. In both of these trades, I'm assuming we signed Trufant (CB) & Landon Johnson (OLB) in free agency.

Trade #1

Houston sends the #18 (1st) & #82 (3rd) to Atlanta (1080 pts).

Atlanta trades the #35 (2nd), #50 (2nd), & #67 (3rd) to Houston (1215 pts).

Basically, Houston trades their 1st for 2) 2nds & a swap of 3rd's. I'm not sure why Atlanta would do this. Perhaps for a shot at Mendehall?

Houston selects:

#35) Jeff Otah (OT), Sam Baker (OT), Chris Williams (OT)
#50) Ray Rice (RB)
#67) Steven Justice (C)

Trade #2

Houston sends the #18 (1st) to Buffalo (900 pts).

Buffalo sends #43 (2nd), #72 (3rd), #75 (3rd), & 2nd round pick next year to Houston (1155 pts - assuming a 3rd round pick value this year for the 2nd).

Buffalo gets their WR with their 1st pick & trades up with Houston to get one of the better CB's.

I'm not sure who I'd pick down this low, at this time.

The1ApplePie
01-17-2008, 12:09 AM
With a draft full of stud RBs, I don't know why you trade down away from them, and use a first on one of the crappy tackles in this draft. Outside Long, they are all terrible, and value wise, none of them is worth the pick.

I could see trading down and getting a first round RB and drafting an LT in the 2nd, where they would actually be worth the pick.

beerlover
01-17-2008, 12:20 AM
Here's a couple of ballsy trades. Both involve trading out of the 1st round all together. In both of these trades, I'm assuming we signed Trufant (CB) & Landon Johnson (OLB) in free agency.

Trade #1

Houston sends the #18 (1st) & #82 (3rd) to Atlanta (1080 pts).

Atlanta trades the #35 (2nd), #50 (2nd), & #67 (3rd) to Houston (1215 pts).

Basically, Houston trades their 1st for 2) 2nds & a swap of 3rd's. I'm not sure why Atlanta would do this. Perhaps for a shot at Mendehall?

Houston selects:

#35) Jeff Otah (OT), Sam Baker (OT), Chris Williams (OT)
#50) Ray Rice (RB)
#67) Steven Justice (C)

Trade #2

Houston sends the #18 (1st) to Buffalo (900 pts).

Buffalo sends #43 (2nd), #72 (3rd), #75 (3rd), & 2nd round pick next year to Houston (1155 pts - assuming a 3rd round pick value this year for the 2nd).

Buffalo gets their WR with their 1st pick & trades up with Houston to get one of the better CB's.

I'm not sure who I'd pick down this low, at this time.

thats what I'm talking about - trade ideas.

I like the Atlanta trade the best. I might just flip the tackle & rb picks however & go for the higher rated or bpa RB left on the board first #35 (Chris Johnson) then a solid zbs tackle #50 Anthony Collins, Kansas. I would be surprised if Otah was still available.

Hottoddie
01-17-2008, 01:15 AM
thats what I'm talking about - trade ideas.

I like the Atlanta trade the best. I might just flip the tackle & rb picks however & go for the higher rated or bpa RB left on the board first #35 (Chris Johnson) then a solid zbs tackle #50 Anthony Collins, Kansas. I would be surprised if Otah was still available.

You sure you want Chris Johnson? He sounds too much like you know who & we don't have a Deuce Mcallister.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/rb/chrisjohnson.html

Strengths:
Extremely fast and explosive...A terror in space...Very quick and elusive...Fantastic receiver with terrific (albeit small) hands...Runs good routes...Decent vision and a good cutback runner...Can really turn the corner...A great natural athlete...A very versatile weapon..Also an outstanding kick returner..Still has considerable upside.

Weaknesses:
Lacks the size and bulk that you look for...Not tough or physical...Looks to bounce everything outside and he doesn't offer much as an inside runner..Toughness and durability are issues...Sub par blocker...May be a 'tweener without a true position.

Notes:
Bounced around between running back and wide receiver throughout his college career and could project to either position in the pros...If he stays at running back he will probably have to make his mark as a 3rd down / situational guy and return specialist...Has not yet reached his full potential because he was never afforded the opportunity to concentrate on mastering a single position...A very poor-man's Reggie Bush who can definitely help a team if used correctly...Intriguing prospect.

As for Otah, you're probably right. But, as you know, there's always someone that unexpectedly drops out of the 1st round. I'm just hoping/praying one of the better OT's drops to us.

bah007
01-17-2008, 01:23 AM
You sure you want Chris Johnson? He sounds too much like you know who & we don't have a Deuce Mcallister.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/rb/chrisjohnson.html

Strengths:
Extremely fast and explosive...A terror in space...Very quick and elusive...Fantastic receiver with terrific (albeit small) hands...Runs good routes...Decent vision and a good cutback runner...Can really turn the corner...A great natural athlete...A very versatile weapon..Also an outstanding kick returner..Still has considerable upside.

Weaknesses:
Lacks the size and bulk that you look for...Not tough or physical...Looks to bounce everything outside and he doesn't offer much as an inside runner..Toughness and durability are issues...Sub par blocker...May be a 'tweener without a true position.

Notes:
Bounced around between running back and wide receiver throughout his college career and could project to either position in the pros...If he stays at running back he will probably have to make his mark as a 3rd down / situational guy and return specialist...Has not yet reached his full potential because he was never afforded the opportunity to concentrate on mastering a single position...A very poor-man's Reggie Bush who can definitely help a team if used correctly...Intriguing prospect.

As for Otah, you're probably right. But, as you know, there's always someone that unexpectedly drops out of the 1st round. I'm just hoping/praying one of the better OT's drops to us.

The thing that I think makes Johnson a better pro RB than "You-Know-Who" is that he was actually able to run up the middle in college, and I guarantee that he didnt have 5 Blue Chip OL paving the way for him.

Hottoddie
01-17-2008, 01:52 AM
thats what I'm talking about - trade ideas.

I like the Atlanta trade the best. I might just flip the tackle & rb picks however & go for the higher rated or bpa RB left on the board first #35 (Chris Johnson) then a solid zbs tackle #50 Anthony Collins, Kansas. I would be surprised if Otah was still available.

I've got a better idea at RB. How about we take a look at Cory Boyd in the 4th or 5th round? He sounds a lot like DD/DW, & he was extremely effective prior to his injuries. Imagine DD with Schaub as the QB.

http://condraft.com/database/southeastern/south-carolina/cory-boyd/index.html


Overview

Boyd was suspended for the entire 2005 season, but came back and established himself as a consistent back for the Gamecocks. He’s got NFL size and speed and power and is one of the better senior backs in the draft.

Strengths

Very solid, physical runner with the power to go between the tackles and run through/over would-be tacklers. He has good quickness to and through the hole and shows good vision to find the lanes. Unusually good receiver, showing good hands and the ability to catch the poorly thrown pass (he’s seen plenty). Boyd is a willing and able blocker in pass protection. Doesn’t go down on first contact and displays good cut-back skills. Would be an ideal back in Denver’s running game. Boyd returned some kicks in 2006. He’s been a durable back and plays through the bumps and bruises.

Weaknesses

Boyd missed the entire 2005 season for a violation of team rules. He doesn’t possess great speed or acceleration and isn’t a threat to break the big run. While he usually shows good form while running, he has the tendency to get too upright.

Projection

If there were no juniors entering the 2008 NFL Draft, Boyd might be a top five RB, but the number of outstanding runners declaring early will push Boyd well into the second day of the draft. He’ll likely hear his name called in the fifth or sixth round.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
01-17-2008, 02:04 AM
South Carolina hasn't let us down yet. Might as well keep going to that well til it runs dry. Cory Boyd's running style reminds me a lot of Marion Barber although he isn't quite as powerful a runner. The guy is tough to bring down and fights for every yard.

beerlover
01-17-2008, 04:29 AM
You sure you want Chris Johnson? He sounds too much like you know who & we don't have a Deuce Mcallister.

did you see the Hawaii Bowl game? if not here is a link to the post game recap- http://starbulletin.com/2007/12/24/sports/story01.html

I watched the whole game not because I'm a big fan of the Hawaii Bowl, actually wanted to take a good hard look @ Clady (not impressive but hey it wasn't his fault, Bose States offense does not translate well to the NFL, sorry) anyway this young man impressed me more than any back in any of the bowl games. he does run inside, has good vision & burst. plays with heart, is relentless, has good hands, understands blocking schemes & when he gets into the 2nd level you can kiss him goodby.

We need a early to mid second to have any chance of drafting him (I'm not ready to use our 1st or a 1st on him as of it we'll see how he performs @ the combine. if he posts a reported 4.27 all bets are off).

badboy
01-17-2008, 09:17 AM
Maybe not all of them since there's an OU kid in the 1st.

As Meatloaf sang "Two out of three ain't bad."

badboy
01-17-2008, 09:35 AM
I know the thread is about trades & I offered my opinion, but reviewing the trades posted today I'm thinking Jonathan Stewart (a possible franchise type heavy hitting RB) at 18; Tony Hill in third as LT and Quentin Demps or Marcus Griffin at free safety in fourth is very likely and no trade needed. My concern with trades is the other team has to like our scenario and as many have said on other threads, why would "Dallas or whomever" do that. I believe Smith will get a corner, OLB and probable a low cost big upside RB in free agency. I think he will gamble on McKinney and the back up boys at center this season.

Second Honeymoon
01-17-2008, 11:36 AM
Trading down into the 2nd would be sweet. Tony Hills won't be around in the 3rd Round and neither will Jamaal Charles. both those guys would be good value in the 2nd Round with Hills in the early 2nd and Jamaal in the late 2nd.

maybe we can find a way to manufacture a 2nd round pick but I think if a Kenny Phillips or Sam Baker are there at #18, we gotta jump on that and hope someone coveted drops to the 3rd.

I really think Jamaal could be a special back for us.....I am a little biased but if he can fix the fumbling (which is coachable..see Tiki Barber) he could end up the best back in teh draft....and that includes McFadden.

bah007
01-17-2008, 11:40 AM
Trading down into the 2nd would be sweet. Tony Hills won't be around in the 3rd Round and neither will Jamaal Charles. both those guys would be good value in the 2nd Round with Hills in the early 2nd and Jamaal in the late 2nd.

maybe we can find a way to manufacture a 2nd round pick but I think if a Kenny Phillips or Sam Baker are there at #18, we gotta jump on that and hope someone coveted drops to the 3rd.

I really think Jamaal could be a special back for us.....I am a little biased but if he can fix the fumbling (which is coachable..see Tiki Barber) he could end up the best back in teh draft....and that includes McFadden.

Depending on his combine numbers coming off the injury.

I wouldnt go that far about Charles, but I do think that he will be a very special player.

Mr PC
01-17-2008, 12:41 PM
Trading down into the 2nd would be sweet. Tony Hills won't be around in the 3rd Round and neither will Jamaal Charles. both those guys would be good value in the 2nd Round with Hills in the early 2nd and Jamaal in the late 2nd.

maybe we can find a way to manufacture a 2nd round pick but I think if a Kenny Phillips or Sam Baker are there at #18, we gotta jump on that and hope someone coveted drops to the 3rd.

I really think Jamaal could be a special back for us.....I am a little biased but if he can fix the fumbling (which is coachable..see Tiki Barber) he could end up the best back in teh draft....and that includes McFadden.

Phillips will not be there at 18. Baker might be but Im not convinced he is the answer. Id be happy to draft Clady/Oher but Im not that high on Baker to take him at 18. J. Charles will likely go in the 2nd round. I agree he could be the back we are looking for, game breaking speed and decent power. Hills could possibly last until the third round because the draft is fairly deep with OT this year. Long, Clady, Baker, Otah, Cherilus should definitely go before Hills, possibly others. There should be a decent OT available in the 3rd, whether its Hills or someone else.

The Texans need a defensive back though, which is why I have us taking Smith with our first pick. Since I had us drafting two UT boys (Charles, Hills) I figure we should even it out in the fourth round and draft Cody Wallace, the center from Texas A&M. That would net us a good haul with the first 4 picks.

awtysst
01-19-2008, 01:46 PM
Beerlover,
Ok, I will bite and give you an idea. Here is what I was thinking. Right now it would appear that the Texans have a strong chance and getting Jonathan Stewart or Rashard Mendenhall. I believe we utilize that position as a bargaining piece and create a bidding war between two teams below us who could use a RB:Pitt and Seattle. Seattle's need at RB is pretty clear, but I think Pitt has a need too. Willy Parker was at his best when he had another strong back with him(ie The Bus). By adding either Rashard Mendenhall or Jonathan Stewart, they would be able to play pitt smash mouth football and not wear either of their backs out.

So:
Scenario 1 is we trade with Seattle(since if we take one and Pitt the other, the Seahawks are SOL).
Texans trade: #18(900) to Seattle for #25 and #57(1050). Seattle pays a small premium for moving up.

Players selected:
18(Seattle): Rashard Mendenhall or Jonathan Stewart. They get their choice of RB.

25(Htown): it is possible that Pitt would prefer to go to OT route and get Jeff Otah. If that happens we could likley get the RB that Seattle does not choose. We could also go Antoine Cason CB, Michael Oher, OT(if he is still there). My preference is Michael Oher or Cason because I think we can get a solid RB a little lower.

57(Htown): Anyone ever thought, man you know who needs a friend out there, Meco. How about we get him his friend in Ali Highsmith, OLB right here. Or, if we thought he would be gone, take him at the end of round 1 and maybe a Ray Rice as RB here. Or, how about Anthony Collins as an OTif we go Cason in rd 1? My preference is still Ali Highsmith here.

79(Htown) So now we have added an OT and a stud OLB. How about a RB like Steve Slaton? Not interested? How about Kevin Smith from Cen Fla?

Okay Beerlover and everyone else. Rip me apart!!!

tulexan
01-19-2008, 01:55 PM
I would love to have Highsmith on the team. It would be like having two DeMeco's out there

rollinstone18
01-19-2008, 02:09 PM
Beerlover,
Ok, I will bite and give you an idea. Here is what I was thinking. Right now it would appear that the Texans have a strong chance and getting Jonathan Stewart or Rashard Mendenhall. I believe we utilize that position as a bargaining piece and create a bidding war between two teams below us who could use a RB:Pitt and Seattle. Seattle's need at RB is pretty clear, but I think Pitt has a need too. Willy Parker was at his best when he had another strong back with him(ie The Bus). By adding either Rashard Mendenhall or Jonathan Stewart, they would be able to play pitt smash mouth football and not wear either of their backs out.

So:
Scenario 1 is we trade with Seattle(since if we take one and Pitt the other, the Seahawks are SOL).
Texans trade: #18(900) to Seattle for #25 and #57(1050). Seattle pays a small premium for moving up.

Players selected:
18(Seattle): Rashard Mendenhall or Jonathan Stewart. They get their choice of RB.

25(Htown): it is possible that Pitt would prefer to go to OT route and get Jeff Otah. If that happens we could likley get the RB that Seattle does not choose. We could also go Antoine Cason CB, Michael Oher, OT(if he is still there). My preference is Michael Oher or Cason because I think we can get a solid RB a little lower.

57(Htown): Anyone ever thought, man you know who needs a friend out there, Meco. How about we get him his friend in Ali Highsmith, OLB right here. Or, if we thought he would be gone, take him at the end of round 1 and maybe a Ray Rice as RB here. Or, how about Anthony Collins as an OTif we go Cason in rd 1? My preference is still Ali Highsmith here.

79(Htown) So now we have added an OT and a stud OLB. How about a RB like Steve Slaton? Not interested? How about Kevin Smith from Cen Fla?

Okay Beerlover and everyone else. Rip me apart!!!

Oher won't be there, he is going back to school.

rollinstone18
01-19-2008, 02:12 PM
I would love to have Highsmith on the team. It would be like having two DeMeco's out there

Highsmith is a WILL right? I don't think Kubes and Smith are looking for Greenwood's replacement just yet. He'd be a good pick-up though. I also like Erin Henderson, (SAM).

awtysst
01-19-2008, 03:27 PM
Highsmith is a WILL right? I don't think Kubes and Smith are looking for Greenwood's replacement just yet. He'd be a good pick-up though. I also like Erin Henderson, (SAM).

Wow. I cant believe I forgot to put in Erin henderson as my backup round 2 pick. Thanks.

awtysst
01-19-2008, 04:22 PM
I posted something earlier but did not realize that Jeff Oher was going back to school. So i spent some time thinking and decided to redo my whole approach.



Beerlover,
Ok, I will bite and give you an idea. Here is what I was thinking. Right now it would appear that the Texans have a strong chance and getting Jonathan Stewart or Rashard Mendenhall. I believe we utilize that position as a bargaining piece and create a bidding war between two teams below us who could use a RB:Pitt and Seattle. Seattle's need at RB is pretty clear, but I think Pitt has a need too. Willy Parker was at his best when he had another strong back with him(ie The Bus). By adding either Rashard Mendenhall or Jonathan Stewart, they would be
able to play pitt smash mouth football and not wear either of their backs out.

So:
We trade with Seattle(since if we take one and Pitt the other, the Seahawks are SOL).
Texans trade: #18(900) to Seattle for #25 and #57(1050). Seattle pays a small premium for moving up.

Players selected:
18(Seattle): Rashard Mendenhall or Jonathan Stewart. They get their choice of RB.

25(Htown): It is possible that Pitt would prefer to not go RB becuase it is a deeper draft. If that happens we could likely get the RB that Seattle does not choose. We could also go Antoine Cason CB or jump on Ali Highmsith. Cason is a stud corner who could step into the starting lineup yesterday.

Ali Highsmith is a WILL and can become Meco's new best friend. As I always say, whats better then one Meco? How about 2?! Of course this means that Greenwood is probably out the door and thats not a bad thing.

Preference:No preference all three options are strong.

57(Htown): So, now we have either taken Highsmith or Cason. What do we do here. Well, it depends.We can look at Talib, or Smith, at CB.






Okay Beerlover and everyone else. Rip me apart!!!

awtysst
01-20-2008, 11:12 PM
bump

beerlover
01-21-2008, 02:29 AM
I posted something earlier but did not realize that Jeff Oher was going back to school. So i spent some time thinking and decided to redo my whole approach.



Beerlover,
Ok, I will bite and give you an idea. Here is what I was thinking. Right now it would appear that the Texans have a strong chance and getting Jonathan Stewart or Rashard Mendenhall. I believe we utilize that position as a bargaining piece and create a bidding war between two teams below us who could use a RB:Pitt and Seattle. Seattle's need at RB is pretty clear, but I think Pitt has a need too. Willy Parker was at his best when he had another strong back with him(ie The Bus). By adding either Rashard Mendenhall or Jonathan Stewart, they would be
able to play pitt smash mouth football and not wear either of their backs out.

So:
We trade with Seattle(since if we take one and Pitt the other, the Seahawks are SOL).
Texans trade: #18(900) to Seattle for #25 and #57(1050). Seattle pays a small premium for moving up.

Players selected:
18(Seattle): Rashard Mendenhall or Jonathan Stewart. They get their choice of RB.

25(Htown): It is possible that Pitt would prefer to not go RB becuase it is a deeper draft. If that happens we could likely get the RB that Seattle does not choose. We could also go Antoine Cason CB or jump on Ali Highmsith. Cason is a stud corner who could step into the starting lineup yesterday.

Ali Highsmith is a WILL and can become Meco's new best friend. As I always say, whats better then one Meco? How about 2?! Of course this means that Greenwood is probably out the door and thats not a bad thing.

Preference:No preference all three options are strong.

57(Htown): So, now we have either taken Highsmith or Cason. What do we do here. Well, it depends.We can look at Talib, or Smith, at CB.






Okay Beerlover and everyone else. Rip me apart!!!

you get credit for efforting :)

alot of mocks, including my own (early version) have the Seahawks drafting a RB with their 1st pick but after watching that sorry playoff performance their #1 need has to be LG. they've never recovered from losing Steve Hutchinson. So they will most likey not be interested in tradind up, maybe down instead.

teams close to competing for the Super Bowl, who have extra picks & needs that are positions of scarcity in the draft would be the most probable canidates to trade away picks & move up for a player they feel can take them over the top. :shades:

badboy
01-21-2008, 09:35 AM
If Stewart is there at 18, it would be hard for me to pass. IMO he is a possible franchise type back and there are no franchise LTs that will fall out of top 10. I do think we will select one in later rounds.

beerlover
01-21-2008, 11:16 AM
If Stewart is there at 18, it would be hard for me to pass. IMO he is a possible franchise type back and there are no franchise LTs that will fall out of top 10. I do think we will select one in later rounds.

I realize this, I'm sure other folks noticed yesterday how effective a true franchise, 1st rd. rb can impact the outcome in big game situations case in point-

Laurence Maroney, NE the 21st selection in 06
25 attempts 122 yards 4.9 avg. per carry one TD

Michael Turner, Chargers the #1 free agent RB this coming off season
17 attempts 65 yards 3.8 avg. per carry

Ryan Grant, GB undrafted, released by Giants
13 attempts 29 yards 2.2 per carry

Brandon Jacobs, NYG 4th rd. pick
21 attempts 67 yards 3.2 per carry

Ahmad Bradshaw, NYG 7th rd. pick
16 attempts 63 yards 3.9 per carry

if you combine both the Giant RB's that = 130 yards 3.5 avg 2 TD's

more likely that latter in regards to the Texans & a reason why the Texans will attempt to find the best trade down scenero. I'm thinking unless there is a cb they love or possibly a tackle @ #18 they trade completly out of the first rd. maybe a team with a couple 2nds like Atlanta.

the Texans trade down #18 (900) & #144 (worth 66 4th rd) for two 2nds via Atlanta #37 (540) #48 (430).

Atlanta selects the top QB & then a tackle to protect his blind side, use the extra 4th rd. pick on a RB. Meanwhile the Texans take best cb available & best rb available or maybe if a 1st rd. quality tackle if he slips out of the 1st rd.

beerlover
01-21-2008, 01:14 PM
Need to amend some changes to the scenero that Houston & Atlanta make such a trade. Feel pretty good about the selections for the Falcons, it would be nice to be in a position to draft a top 5 player & then again another middle 1st rd. pick adding what is sure to be starting material & franchise cornerstones. they could take a tackle first like Jake Long or Ryan Clady then make the trade because Woodson or Brohm are still available @ #18. or they take a QB first, Matt Ryan, & they want to get him some protection & really like one of the top tier prospects like Baker, Otah or Chris Williams before there is a run on them (Washington, Pittsburgh, Seattle, Giants, Chargers, Packers, Cowboys all could grab a tackle).

Houston maintains the bpa approach with both 2nds. would take a look @ any positional players they grade out as having 1st rd. talent (see DeMeco). therefore I failed to mention LB which @ #37 there could very well be another playmaking LB for the Texans defense like Ali Highsmith or Erin Henderson. also could find a run stuffing, space eating DT like Pat Sims Auburn. then with their own 2nd rd. pick returned they would have a choice of some very good RB prospects, maybe even a corner still that could become a starter.

badboy
01-21-2008, 02:16 PM
I just do not see another team making a trade down partnership with Houston. I think we will select from our first three picks

1st round #18 Stewart if there or a CB if we do not get one in free agency.
3rd round best LT for the ZBS
4th round should be a FS if Demps does not re-sign. I just do not understand a guy being selected as an alternate to pro bowl and getting almost no mention by fans as a starter at that position the next year.

I'm not against a trade just do not see one for day one. Did all see that Pac Man Jones wants to play for Dallas? If that were to happen, there goes the need to trade up to 18 for a CB that I've seen on the MB recently.

threetoedpete
01-21-2008, 02:29 PM
I just do not see another team making a trade down partnership with Houston. I think we will select from our first three picks

1st round #18 Stewart if there or a CB if we do not get one in free agency.
3rd round best LT for the ZBS
4th round should be a FS if Demps does not re-sign. I just do not understand a guy being selected as an alternate to pro bowl and getting almost no mention by fans as a starter at that position the next year.

I'm not against a trade just do not see one for day one. Did all see that Pac Man Jones wants to play for Dallas? If that were to happen, there goes the need to trade up to 18 for a CB that I've seen on the MB recently.

You could be well right. However, with the need at tackle...all over the legue... and the limited resource....you may as well wait on the project guys in the fourth and fifth ss select an OT in the third at what will be left on the board. What you are saying with that move is we are living with Salaam as the starter in "08. Also you are saying you will let the guys back up who are alredy signed to the roster.

Hitting a Tony Ugoh in the third would be a shear swing with your eyes closed home run. Gibbs better be a guru...or the Rb the second coming of Erick Dirkerson if your goal is to catch a play off spot. You currently have no depth at the C/G spot.

The FAs better make a monumental leap.

So beerlover just how many day two/FA O-lineman were blocking for the RBs yesterday ?

beerlover
01-21-2008, 02:33 PM
I just do not see another team making a trade down partnership with Houston. I think we will select from our first three picks

1st round #18 Stewart if there or a CB if we do not get one in free agency.
3rd round best LT for the ZBS
4th round should be a FS if Demps does not re-sign. I just do not understand a guy being selected as an alternate to pro bowl and getting almost no mention by fans as a starter at that position the next year.

I'm not against a trade just do not see one for day one. Did all see that Pac Man Jones wants to play for Dallas? If that were to happen, there goes the need to trade up to 18 for a CB that I've seen on the MB recently.

there is no question about Adam Jones talent on the field, but could'nt the Cowboys get similar cb talent in the 1st without the off field distractions?

do some research on the kid from Troy State (DeMarcus Wares school) Leodis McKelvin. he is ascending talent, electric speed & return abilities combined with better tackling skills. mark my words if he is there @ #18 the Texans will probably not trade down & take him, but you know as well as me that the Texans would still listen to trade down offers.

PHAROAH
01-21-2008, 02:48 PM
Other than Long and Clady the other LT prospects in this years draft are not worthy of 1st round selection IMO maybe in the 2nd round. :thinking:

beerlover
01-21-2008, 02:56 PM
Other than Long and Clady the other LT prospects in this years draft are not worthy of 1st round selection IMO maybe in the 2nd round. :thinking:

I would be surprised if there is not a run on them late 1st rd. Sam Baker, Jeff Otah & Chris Williams are all worthy, Gosder Cherilus too, even if he's projected to guard.

Hottoddie
01-21-2008, 08:34 PM
do some research on the kid from Troy State (DeMarcus Wares school) Leodis McKelvin. he is ascending talent, electric speed & return abilities combined with better tackling skills. mark my words if he is there @ #18 the Texans will probably not trade down & take him, but you know as well as me that the Texans would still listen to trade down offers.

I agree with you on this one. Especially if there is even an inkling of a thought that they might move Winston to LT. We could probably pick up Kirk Barton (if he slips) or Carl Nicks in the 4th round to play RT. I still like the idea of grabbing Cory Boyd (RB) in the later rounds.

By the way, how about trading our 3rd round pick for two 4th round picks & future considerations? Assuming of course, that anyone has two 4th's.

bah007
01-21-2008, 09:26 PM
there is no question about Adam Jones talent on the field, but could'nt the Cowboys get similar cb talent in the 1st without the off field distractions?

do some research on the kid from Troy State (DeMarcus Wares school) Leodis McKelvin. he is ascending talent, electric speed & return abilities combined with better tackling skills. mark my words if he is there @ #18 the Texans will probably not trade down & take him, but you know as well as me that the Texans would still listen to trade down offers.

I like this kid more and more for the Texans every time I hear his name.

beerlover
01-21-2008, 09:41 PM
I like this kid more and more for the Texans every time I hear his name.

he could be the one. hopefully he'll get some air time the rest of the week @ the Senior Bowl so y'all can catch a peek. my biggest fear however is that he breaks out of the pack & establishes himself as one of the elite cb's. looking at his weigh in, still good size & build. 5-10 5/8" 190 lbs. 30" reach & bigger hands than Sam Baker (of course thats not saying much).

just for reference Dunta Robinson also measured 5-10 5/8" & weighed 186 lbs. @ 2004 combine.

PHAROAH
01-22-2008, 07:36 AM
I would be surprised if there is not a run on them late 1st rd. Sam Baker, Jeff Otah & Chris Williams are all worthy, Gosder Cherilus too, even if he's projected to guard.
I think you guys are giving to much value to some of the offensive lineman going in round 1 watch the senior bowl practices on the NFL Network and you will see the top 2 are golden the others are boarderline 1st round in reality 2nd round picks.

:thinking:

beerlover
01-22-2008, 10:21 AM
I think you guys are giving to much value to some of the offensive lineman going in round 1 watch the senior bowl practices on the NFL Network and you will see the top 2 are golden the others are boarderline 1st round in reality 2nd round picks.

:thinking:

I'm questioning one Sam Baker right about now, but Cherilus is solidifing his stock so while one moves down another rises.

badboy
01-22-2008, 11:28 AM
You could be well right. However, with the need at tackle...all over the legue... and the limited resource....you may as well wait on the project guys in the fourth and fifth ss select an OT in the third at what will be left on the board. What you are saying with that move is we are living with Salaam as the starter in "08. Also you are saying you will let the guys back up who are alredy signed to the roster.

Hitting a Tony Ugoh in the third would be a shear swing with your eyes closed home run. Gibbs better be a guru...or the Rb the second coming of Erick Dirkerson if your goal is to catch a play off spot. You currently have no depth at the C/G spot.

The FAs better make a monumental leap.

So beerlover just how many day two/FA O-lineman were blocking for the RBs yesterday ?Couple things about your post. First, day two guys up until now were 4th round and below. Next draft it will be 3rd and below which should offer better options if you want to use "day two" terminology. Yes, I do think Salaam will be the starter game one. At 6'7" 300lbs, even at his age he might be better in ZBS under Gibbs. I'm not sure those tackles available at #18 and below could beat out our incumbant. Many will disagree, but we will just have to wait and see. I am not a Jordan Black fan and truly hope he's gone. I disagee with you and think there will be a tackle or two in 3rd that will be better than waiting for a project in 4th. I do not consider any player that does not start until second year a "project" especially when Olinemen, Dlinemen and QBs hit stride in 2nd to 3rd years.

To clarify my position, I would go RB in first only if Stewart is there as I know only what I've seen posted on MB about Mendenhall. Otherwise, I go with LT in first as I have urged for several drafts. CB should be addressed in FA and maybe OLB.

Remember with Salaam, you have a guy that played most of the snaps last two seasons. A back up, even if a rookie draft selection that could offer a few plays off for our starter, could make Salaam the answer for another year. I think that is how Kubes and Smith GM will see it.

badboy
01-22-2008, 11:46 AM
there is no question about Adam Jones talent on the field, but could'nt the Cowboys get similar cb talent in the 1st without the off field distractions?

do some research on the kid from Troy State (DeMarcus Wares school) Leodis McKelvin. he is ascending talent, electric speed & return abilities combined with better tackling skills. mark my words if he is there @ #18 the Texans will probably not trade down & take him, but you know as well as me that the Texans would still listen to trade down offers.Personally I would not touch Pacman, yet I said the same about TO who had some good years with Dallas with out flaking out.

badboy
01-22-2008, 11:56 AM
Other than Long and Clady the other LT prospects in this years draft are not worthy of 1st round selection IMO maybe in the 2nd round. :thinking:Baker, Chris Williams (Vanderbilt) and Otah have 1st round possiblities and I think Gosder, Anthony Collins, Tony Hills and Oneil Cousins may be gone by our turn in third. Having said that, if Gibbs says he wants a LT before an RB it is possible that one of the last four could go in first if no trade getting a send or earlier third is made.

The key for me is can, not will, a trade down be made and what Gibbs thinks he requires. Again, corner back can throw a wrench into the whole thing. Let's say Texans do not resolve CB in FA as I hope and a great one is sitting there at 18. Hmmm.

badboy
01-22-2008, 12:06 PM
I agree with you on this one. Especially if there is even an inkling of a thought that they might move Winston to LT. We could probably pick up Kirk Barton (if he slips) or Carl Nicks in the 4th round to play RT. I still like the idea of grabbing Cory Boyd (RB) in the later rounds.

By the way, how about trading our 3rd round pick for two 4th round picks & future considerations? Assuming of course, that anyone has two 4th's.I vote NO on trading 3rd for two fourths.

badboy
01-22-2008, 12:10 PM
I think you guys are giving to much value to some of the offensive lineman going in round 1 watch the senior bowl practices on the NFL Network and you will see the top 2 are golden the others are boarderline 1st round in reality 2nd round picks.

:thinking:I am not going on my evaluation of talent, I usually want a different guy than Texans select anyway. I think there will be a strong desire to draft Oline this draft on day one.

threetoedpete
01-22-2008, 12:20 PM
Couple things about your post. First, day two guys up until now were 4th round and below. Next draft it will be 3rd and below which should offer better options if you want to use "day two" terminology. Yes, I do think Salaam will be the starter game one. At 6'7" 300lbs, even at his age he might be better in ZBS under Gibbs. I'm not sure those tackles available at #18 and below could beat out our incumbant. Many will disagree, but we will just have to wait and see. I am not a Jordan Black fan and truly hope he's gone. I disagee with you and think there will be a tackle or two in 3rd that will be better than waiting for a project in 4th. I do not consider any player that does not start until second year a "project" especially when Olinemen, Dlinemen and QBs hit stride in 2nd to 3rd years.

To clarify my position, I would go RB in first only if Stewart is there as I know only what I've seen posted on MB about Mendenhall. Otherwise, I go with LT in first as I have urged for several drafts. CB should be addressed in FA and maybe OLB.

Remember with Salaam, you have a guy that played most of the snaps last two seasons. A back up, even if a rookie draft selection that could offer a few plays off for our starter, could make Salaam the answer for another year. I think that is how Kubes and Smith GM will see it.

http://www.drafthistory.com/teams/patriots.html

Well after seven years of floundering....you'd think we'd get it. I'm not worried about Salaam starting, I'm worried about him staying up right. MS would then become judas goat number II. Like MM's there bad, just can't choke on one ?
I'm wondering if we could possably run through two QBs in one season ? Well if they see it your way, my book says they'll never see year six.

whiskeyrbl
01-25-2008, 07:04 AM
Here is an attempt at a realistic off season:
In FA we sign
Travelle Wharton - LT Panthers
Terrell Suggs - DE Baltimore
Marcus Trufant - CB Seattle

These signings would fill three holes we have right away. Leaving FS, RB, OLB as three needs in the draft. I would trade out of the first with Atlanta for their two 2nd rounders ( chart value #18-900pts. - #37 - 530 pts., and # 49 - 420 pts. = 950 pts.) So my draft would look like this:
RD 2
a. Felix Jones RB Ark.
b. Ali Highsmith OLB LSU

RD3
Erin Henderson OLB Maryland

RD4
DaJuan Morgan FS NC State

RD5
Kirk Barton OT Ohio State

RD6
Xavier Omon RB NW Missouri St.

RD7
BPA

This would give IMO a starting 22 of
DEF.
Williams, Okoye,T. Johnson, Suggs - DL ( Formidable line capable of constant pressure )
Highsmith, Ryans, Henderson - LB ( 3 very athletic LB's )
Trufant, Bennett, Morgan, Demps - DB ( Hard Hitting, good cover Db's)

Offense
Wharton, Pitts, Eslinger, Briesel, Winston ( Young, capable line )
A.J. , Walter (Davis, Jones) Good receivers
Daniels (future pro bowl TE )
Schaub - QB
Leach - FB, Jones - HB( Green, Omon, Walker )

OK tear it apart

beerlover
01-25-2008, 01:22 PM
Here is an attempt at a realistic off season:
In FA we sign
Travelle Wharton - LT Panthers
Terrell Suggs - DE Baltimore
Marcus Trufant - CB Seattle

These signings would fill three holes we have right away. Leaving FS, RB, OLB as three needs in the draft. I would trade out of the first with Atlanta for their two 2nd rounders ( chart value #18-900pts. - #37 - 530 pts., and # 49 - 420 pts. = 950 pts.) So my draft would look like this:
RD 2
a. Felix Jones RB Ark.
b. Ali Highsmith OLB LSU

RD3
Erin Henderson OLB Maryland

RD4
DaJuan Morgan FS NC State

RD5
Kirk Barton OT Ohio State

RD6
Xavier Omon RB NW Missouri St.

RD7
BPA

This would give IMO a starting 22 of
DEF.
Williams, Okoye,T. Johnson, Suggs - DL ( Formidable line capable of constant pressure )
Highsmith, Ryans, Henderson - LB ( 3 very athletic LB's )
Trufant, Bennett, Morgan, Demps - DB ( Hard Hitting, good cover Db's)

Offense
Wharton, Pitts, Eslinger, Briesel, Winston ( Young, capable line )
A.J. , Walter (Davis, Jones) Good receivers
Daniels (future pro bowl TE )
Schaub - QB
Leach - FB, Jones - HB( Green, Omon, Walker )

OK tear it apart

I have no problem with that, I think you just put the Texans in the playoffs with those aquisitions :doot:

badboy
01-25-2008, 03:59 PM
http://www.drafthistory.com/teams/patriots.html

Well after seven years of floundering....you'd think we'd get it. I'm not worried about Salaam starting, I'm worried about him staying up right. MS would then become judas goat number II. Like MM's there bad, just can't choke on one ?
I'm wondering if we could possably run through two QBs in one season ? Well if they see it your way, my book says they'll never see year six.

I want a LT! Now having said that I ask what makes you think Salaam can't stay up right? Granted he is not what we want, but can you not see that Kubes may think he can get by another year especially with Gibbs running ZBS and possible step up by back ups? Then throw in a possible return by Spencer?

badboy
01-25-2008, 04:04 PM
Here is an attempt at a realistic off season:
In FA we sign
Travelle Wharton - LT Panthers
Terrell Suggs - DE Baltimore
Marcus Trufant - CB Seattle

These signings would fill three holes we have right away. Leaving FS, RB, OLB as three needs in the draft. I would trade out of the first with Atlanta for their two 2nd rounders ( chart value #18-900pts. - #37 - 530 pts., and # 49 - 420 pts. = 950 pts.) So my draft would look like this:
RD 2
a. Felix Jones RB Ark.
b. Ali Highsmith OLB LSU

RD3
Erin Henderson OLB Maryland

RD4
DaJuan Morgan FS NC State

RD5
Kirk Barton OT Ohio State

RD6
Xavier Omon RB NW Missouri St.

RD7
BPA

This would give IMO a starting 22 of
DEF.
Williams, Okoye,T. Johnson, Suggs - DL ( Formidable line capable of constant pressure )
Highsmith, Ryans, Henderson - LB ( 3 very athletic LB's )
Trufant, Bennett, Morgan, Demps - DB ( Hard Hitting, good cover Db's)

Offense
Wharton, Pitts, Eslinger, Briesel, Winston ( Young, capable line )
A.J. , Walter (Davis, Jones) Good receivers
Daniels (future pro bowl TE )
Schaub - QB
Leach - FB, Jones - HB( Green, Omon, Walker )

OK tear it apartI can't find anything on Wharton for 2007 after he tore up his knee in 2006. Can someone address this potential Boselli?

painekiller
01-25-2008, 04:16 PM
I can't find anything on Wharton for 2007 after he tore up his knee in 2006. Can someone address this potential Boselli?

Played every game. But most people see the Panther as protecting either Wharton or Jordan Gross. And Gross is a RT for them.

PHAROAH
01-25-2008, 04:53 PM
I think this would be a good trade down scenario with the Cowboys at #29 and we pick up the cowboys 2nd round pick.


RD.1- #29 - Felix Jones - Arkansas - RB
RD.2 - From Dallas - Terrell Thomas - USC - CB
RD. 3 - Phillip Wheeler - Georgia Tech - OLB
RD. 4 - Marcus Griffin - Texas - FS
RD. 5 - Chilo Rachal - USC - OG
RD.6 - Tommy Blake - TCU - DE
RD.7 - Shannon Boatman - FSU - OT

:fans: :bat:

painekiller
01-26-2008, 02:59 AM
I am playing here, Cowboys swap there two 1st this year and next years 3rd for the Pats 1st. The Cowboys take McFaddin who has dropped to #7. This gives the Pats #22 & 28.

Pats trade up to #18 with the #22 and #95 to grab Dan Connor before the Eagles grabbed him. At #22 QB Woodson has fallen and the Falcons who took Jake Long with there 1st pick decide to trade back into the 1st by giving up there #37 and #68.

Now we have a 2nd, 3 thirds, that's four guys instead of two in the the top 3 rounds. 37, 68, 79, 95, 114
Using Walters 1-24 Mock (http://walterfootball.com/draft2008_2.php) as a rough guide to draft order, I am going to slide a little both ways on some guys because that can and does happen.

37 - Derrick Harvey DE, solid RDE, explosive off the end
68 - Chevis Jackson CB NFL ready player can fill in for Dunta, and move to nickle when Dunta is back, whenever that is
79 - DaJuan Morgan FS Top FS according to Mike Mayock
95 - Duane Brown OT tackle that Gibbs can work with
114 - Ahtyba Rubin NT Next to Okoye, the middle of the DL becomes an explosion on every snap.
143 - Brad Cottam TE Supersized TE that can run routes and catch, injuries helped him drop.
174 - Thomas Brown RB Sparkplug RB
205 - Jeremy Zuttah OG can back four positions now, and we might to teach him OC. Has not given up a sack in two years at RT for Rutgers.

I did not get the LB I wanted. But this is how this shakes out.

Def primary rotations- DE Williams, Harvey Cochran Kalu
DT - Travis Johnson, Okoye, Rubin, Maddox
Lbs - Clark, Ryans, Greenwood, Diles, Barber, Anderson
CBs - Bennett, Jackson, Hutchins, Fletcher, (PUP Robinson)
S - Earl, Demps, Morgan, Brown, Harrison

Off primary rotations
QB - Shaub, Rosenfels
RB - Green, Dayne, Taylor and Brown
WR - Johnson Walters, Davis, Jones
TE - Daniels, Cottom, Bruenner, Dreessen
OTs - Winston, Salaam, Butler, Brown
OGs - Pitts, Frye, Studdard, Zuttah
OC - McKinney, Briesel, White

Add some mid level FAs and this could work.

threetoedpete
01-26-2008, 04:07 AM
95 - Duane Brown OT tackle that Gibbs can work with

Are they going to repave Gibbs drive way ? Inquiring mind wish to know.
Brown has as much chance at starting for the Texans as I do.

painekiller
01-26-2008, 06:23 AM
Are they going to repave Gibbs drive way ? Inquiring mind wish to know.
Brown has as much chance at starting for the Texans as I do.

I don't think I had Brown starting. He appears to be the #4 OT on my list. So that would make him inactive for most games. Gibbs is known for taking throw away players and making the group of them top 10. You don't like Brown insert your OT that is available with the last pick in the 3rd, try John Greco or Heath Benedict. Also remember Cottom has the size and could add 20 lbs and move to tackle if Gibbs chooses (a couple year project at best). Also Joey Haynos say a scout has mentioned that about him also.

Also the odds are Salaam will be our OLT at the start of the year, even with taking a rookie 1st round "stud".

threetoedpete
01-26-2008, 01:38 PM
I don't think I had Brown starting. He appears to be the #4 OT on my list. So that would make him inactive for most games. Gibbs is known for taking throw away players and making the group of them top 10. You don't like Brown insert your OT that is available with the last pick in the 3rd, try John Greco or Heath Benedict. Also remember Cottom has the size and could add 20 lbs and move to tackle if Gibbs chooses (a couple year project at best). Also Joey Haynos say a scout has mentioned that about him also.

Also the odds are Salaam will be our OLT at the start of the year, even with taking a rookie 1st round "stud".

And that is exactly the trouble. We're always patching instead of building. Wanna reach at least take the big TE for the OLT, cottom .
At least Gibbs has a history of doing that. Twenty-eight games and couting...What year was Lepsis in when he hung them up? Your basing the whole '08 Season and the QBs health on Salaam making it sixteen games once again with your draft. Lotta eggs in that basket. Good Luck.

painekiller
01-26-2008, 05:49 PM
And that is exactly the trouble. We're always patching instead of building. Wanna reach at least take the big TE for the OLT, cottom .
At least Gibbs has a history of doing that. Twenty-eight games and couting...What year was Lepsis in when he hung them up? Your basing the whole '08 Season and the QBs health on Salaam making it sixteen games once again with your draft. Lotta eggs in that basket. Good Luck.


First off my name is not Smith, Kubiak, Gibbs, or Benson, so I have no clue how the team has evaluated the current roster. They may have already figured on one of the young guys at LT. Don't know. But there are some veterans OL on the roster that I want to watch this offseason at LT, Winston, Pitts, Butler, Frye, Spencer.

Next we do not know the board. We are playing a guessing game for fun, trying to open up people minds to new ideas, like a double trade down and no 1st rounder. You only complained about a late 3rd rounder, my 4th pick. I went with some one I liked last week in Houston, and Smith showed last year he likes to do that, take guys who play in the East West game in the later parts of the draft.

Again until FAs and the draft is over, none of use know what the team is doing. And I did point out Cottom as a possible position switcher. I think I addressed the trenches pretty well. Other than a few guys each year most OL draftees need time to adjust to the NFL, so I believe Salaam starts the season at OLT again no matter who you draft.

PHAROAH
01-26-2008, 08:21 PM
I am playing here, Cowboys swap there two 1st this year and next years 3rd for the Pats 1st. The Cowboys take McFaddin who has dropped to #7. This gives the Pats #22 & 28.

Pats trade up to #18 with the #22 and #95 to grab Dan Connor before the Eagles grabbed him. At #22 QB Woodson has fallen and the Falcons who took Jake Long with there 1st pick decide to trade back into the 1st by giving up there #37 and #68.

Now we have a 2nd, 3 thirds, that's four guys instead of two in the the top 3 rounds. 37, 68, 79, 95, 114
Using Walters 1-24 Mock (http://walterfootball.com/draft2008_2.php) as a rough guide to draft order, I am going to slide a little both ways on some guys because that can and does happen.

37 - Derrick Harvey DE, solid RDE, explosive off the end
68 - Chevis Jackson CB NFL ready player can fill in for Dunta, and move to nickle when Dunta is back, whenever that is
79 - DaJuan Morgan FS Top FS according to Mike Mayock
95 - Duane Brown OT tackle that Gibbs can work with
114 - Ahtyba Rubin NT Next to Okoye, the middle of the DL becomes an explosion on every snap.
143 - Brad Cottam TE Supersized TE that can run routes and catch, injuries helped him drop.
174 - Thomas Brown RB Sparkplug RB
205 - Jeremy Zuttah OG can back four positions now, and we might to teach him OC. Has not given up a sack in two years at RT for Rutgers.

I did not get the LB I wanted. But this is how this shakes out.

Def primary rotations- DE Williams, Harvey Cochran Kalu
DT - Travis Johnson, Okoye, Rubin, Maddox
Lbs - Clark, Ryans, Greenwood, Diles, Barber, Anderson
CBs - Bennett, Jackson, Hutchins, Fletcher, (PUP Robinson)
S - Earl, Demps, Morgan, Brown, Harrison

Off primary rotations
QB - Shaub, Rosenfels
RB - Green, Dayne, Taylor and Brown
WR - Johnson Walters, Davis, Jones
TE - Daniels, Cottom, Bruenner, Dreessen
OTs - Winston, Salaam, Butler, Brown
OGs - Pitts, Frye, Studdard, Zuttah
OC - McKinney, Briesel, White

Add some mid level FAs and this could work.Your running backs absolutely suck!!!!!

threetoedpete
01-26-2008, 11:57 PM
So does your pick of Tommy Blake in the 6th round. The only thing he could be used for is a paper weight in Kubiak's office.

threetoedpete
01-26-2008, 11:59 PM
Well we have finally come to agreement....you have no clue.

so I have no clue how the team has evaluated the current roste

beerlover
01-28-2008, 11:43 AM
really focusing on how the Texans assimilate into a more physical team given Kubiaks recent comments paired with the hiring of OC of running game Gibbs & soon to be DC in charge of secondary Rhodes. both positional players will be addressed in FA & the draft @ CB/OL/RB.

with enphasis on value I feel its more likely now than ever the Texans will trade down. odds are against the Texans that the ideal 1st rd. cb prospects will be available @ #18. same with the tackles, not sold on any of them for zbs. RB maybe but with additional 3rd I'd put money on the value of a RB who fits Gibbs system.

so here goes another scenero involving trading down, once again it involves Atlanta. the Texans trade #18 (900 points) for Atlanta high 2nd #37 & 3rd #68 (= 780 points). they get a discount on points & can select a top tier RB/QB who projects to be gone by the 2nd. the Texans could then select a zbs OT like Anthony Collins, Kansas. a best fit for Gibbs, toughness, measureables & upside. has long arms, size, nasty streak if he had stayed in would have been a 1st rd. pick in 09. with two 3rds you can get both a rb & cb. I'm thinking Forte with the Atlanta pick & bpa cb Branden Flowers, VT, Patrick Lee, Auburn, Chevis Jackson, LSU.

threetoedpete
01-28-2008, 11:47 AM
Prety much agree with that ...I do not believe they will be rednundant and draft another Petie...and that is what Jackson is. A heady player with marginal speed. We got that...in spades. Iowa Cb might fit. He had a great week.

HoustonFrog
01-28-2008, 11:51 AM
So does your pick of Tommy Blake in the 6th round. The only thing he could be used for is a paper weight in Kubiak's office.

The guy could be a steal late if people figure out how to get his head right. He is a good kid who was a pre-season All-American and a 1st round type pick. People still haven't figured out what went wrong and my Mom is pretty close to the going ons at TCU. They need to get him back to where he was his junior year. The talent is there.

threetoedpete
01-28-2008, 12:36 PM
I don't know what you saw in the east west Shiners game....What I saw was a guy who was lost. He saw where to go, but his over weigth body couldn't deliver him where he needed to be. Believe what you want....

this guy just ate himself out of twenty million bucks or so. His prime weight is at 252. He is at 272. Now you're telling me he's going to drop twenty pounds and run a 4.7 in the combine....Ok I'm with ya. What I'm seeing is a guy who is a mere shell of what he was two years ago. What he was two years ago was a proto typical 3-4 OLB with an outstanding first step. Well he's lost the first step. And the only thing you could hope for is his crisis in faith would pass and he figures out that God made him to be a football player. No reason why you can't apostltize as a football player. First thing he has to do is make a commitment. One way or another Tommy Blake must grow up. He's gotta put something on the table first before someone will draft him.

Believe anything believe that.

HoustonFrog
01-28-2008, 12:58 PM
I don't know what you saw in the east west Shiners game....What I saw was a guy who was lost. He saw where to go, but his over weigth body couldn't deliver him where he needed to be. Believe what you want....

this guy just ate himself out of twenty million bucks or so. His prime weight is at 252. He is at 272. Now you're telling me he's going to drop twenty pounds and run a 4.7 in the combine....Ok I'm with ya. What I'm seeing is a guy who is a mere shell of what he was two years ago. What he was two years ago was a proto typical 3-4 OLB with an outstanding first step. Well he's lost the first step. And the only thing you could hope for is his crisis in faith would pass and he figures out that God made him to be a football player. No reason why you can't apostltize as a football player. First thing he has to do is make a commitment. One way or another Tommy Blake must grow up. He's gotta put something on the table first before someone will draft him.

Believe anything believe that.

And that is exactly what I said. No need to rant. I didn't say he looked good. But the fact is he WAS a preseason All-American. The guy has the God given talent. If someone takes him with the 6th or 7th pick he could be a steal. It isn't like these guys don't drop lbs in a hurry and workout with trainers year round. The #1 thing is getting his head straight. Who knows what happened but I'm not going to critisize if it was a depression type issue that was real. Late rounds are guess work so if someone interviews him and thinks they can get #1 talent for a #6-7 pick, they will take a flyer.

threetoedpete
01-28-2008, 02:23 PM
And that is exactly what I said. No need to rant. I didn't say he looked good. But the fact is he WAS a preseason All-American. The guy has the God given talent. If someone takes him with the 6th or 7th pick he could be a steal. It isn't like these guys don't drop lbs in a hurry and workout with trainers year round. The #1 thing is getting his head straight. Who knows what happened but I'm not going to critisize if it was a depression type issue that was real. Late rounds are guess work so if someone interviews him and thinks they can get #1 talent for a #6-7 pick, they will take a flyer.

Well I got Marcus Smith WR New Mexico as the as sixth round sleeper what the heck do I know? I'm just bracing you for the fact that the guy has more chance at being a free agent flop than he does at being drated by anyone. He is over weight and he shows abolutey no commitment what so ever. And what got him the pereason ranks is exactly what the guy dose not have now.

I have no idea what you're basing your faith that he can turn it around on ?


Rant ? Calls them as I sees them.

beerlover
01-28-2008, 04:35 PM
really focusing on how the Texans assimilate into a more physical team given Kubiaks recent comments paired with the hiring of OC of running game Gibbs & soon to be DC in charge of secondary Rhodes. both positional players will be addressed in FA & the draft @ CB/OL/RB.

with enphasis on value I feel its more likely now than ever the Texans will trade down. odds are against the Texans that the ideal 1st rd. cb prospects will be available @ #18. same with the tackles, not sold on any of them for zbs. RB maybe but with additional 3rd I'd put money on the value of a RB who fits Gibbs system.

so here goes another scenero involving trading down, once again it involves Atlanta. the Texans trade #18 (900 points) for Atlanta high 2nd #37 & 3rd #68 (= 780 points). they get a discount on points & can select a top tier RB/QB who projects to be gone by the 2nd. the Texans could then select a zbs OT like Anthony Collins, Kansas. a best fit for Gibbs, toughness, measureables & upside. has long arms, size, nasty streak if he had stayed in would have been a 1st rd. pick in 09. with two 3rds you can get both a rb & cb. I'm thinking Forte with the Atlanta pick & bpa cb Branden Flowers, VT, Patrick Lee, Auburn, Chevis Jackson, LSU.

bump, for ytf

YoungTexanFan
01-28-2008, 04:53 PM
I appreciate it. He was more valuable to our team than Talib, but didn't get the same hype. He should have stayed in school for his senior year but made a pact with Talib as Freshman.

However, I have a personal Vendetta against Collins because he allowed the sack at the end of the season against Mizzu on the last drive that killed KU's chance for perfection. Other than that, however, he was stellar.

painekiller
01-29-2008, 12:23 AM
I could be happy trading down and getting Anthony Collins, Kansas, and Patrick Lee, Auburn. Added to Forte or Choice, just think the RBs are going in the 4th.

beerlover
01-29-2008, 10:32 AM
upon countless hours breaking down the tackle class & trying to get the most bang for the buck to the Texans organization its my conclusion if they can trade down from the 1st rd. to the 2nd rd. they could address the LT position for the long term with Kansas All-American Junior, Anthony Collins. http://kuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/121107aab.html most all the press (rightfully so) has gone to their other All American Junior, Aquib Talib (who would also garner attention by the Texans with the 18th pick) who declared early entry into the NFL. http://kuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/010708aab.html while Collins announcement went quietly into the hat. I also beleive if he had stayed his senior season he would be in the 1st rd. next year along with Michael Oher has the top tackle prospects. http://kuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/collins_anthony00.html

here is a tweek of the trade down option. say the Texans cannot find one of the really bad teams (early 2nd rd. picks) who want to trade but a team like Seattle (#25) wants Jonathan Stewart, so you trade back 7 spots. the Texans now have the 25th selection & Hawks 3rd (#85). try & trade down again depending on who is available balanced with incoming offers. lets say there is a cb who the Texans really like still on the board, maybe Talib or Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie who you have to imagine if either is available they use the pick here.

now we're into the second rd. (past our traded away for Schaub pick to Atlanta) & Anthony Collins is still on the board would the Texans consider moving up to the 2nd using those two 3rd rd. picks to take the OT they want? we would not have a 3rd rd, pick anymore but we would have our new cb & LT

it sounds a little complicated, but its just being creative & finding ways to get the right players for the best value. its all about staying true to your draft board, not over reaching for need & knowing when to pull the trigger via alternate paths to achieve superior results.

beerlover
01-29-2008, 01:52 PM
just to be fair it seems this is turning into an all Kansas draft so should clarify I would also be happy with an all LSU draft, or Arkansas or USC or...............:specnatz:

Ole Miss Texan
01-31-2008, 02:52 PM
already posted on my Texans Mock Draft taking Roy Schuening, G, Oregon State as the #1 option with 3rd rd. pick & I see no reason whatsoever to change that pick, unless a player who fits our system & grades out higher is available like Ray Rice.

Roy is an ideal fit for zbs. he is a Gibbs type of player, technique, diciplined, quick in space, smart & hard working. love his game & would give the OL a real shot converting to a more true Gibbs style of zbs. Still need to address Center position & you can do that with Mike Pollack, Arizona State in the 4th. of the Centers @ the Senior Bowl he was most impressive, did not get pushed around & seemed able to dictate direction @ the point of contact, moving well with solid base & good footwork/hands.

Beerlover- I quoted you from the DRC thread ...how would you like this!?

Houston picks up a starting CB in FA without breaking the bank, and possibly a decent starting OLB. ATL drafts McFadden in the first, then trades their 2 2nd round picks to us so they can draft Brohm or Woodson:

2nd (thru ATL): Houston selects LT Anthony Collins
2nd (thru ATL thru HOU): Houston selects RB Ray Rice
3rd: Houston selects G Roy Schuening
4th: Houston selects C Mike Pollack

badboy
01-31-2008, 03:29 PM
Beerlover- I quoted you from the DRC thread ...how would you like this!?

Houston picks up a starting CB in FA without breaking the bank, and possibly a decent starting OLB. ATL drafts McFadden in the first, then trades their 2 2nd round picks to us so they can draft Brohm or Woodson:

2nd (thru ATL): Houston selects LT Anthony Collins
2nd (thru ATL thru HOU): Houston selects RB Ray Rice
3rd: Houston selects G Roy Schuening
4th: Houston selects C Mike Pollack
I'm ok with Collins but would go Jamaal Charles over Rice. If Charles gone, Rice is good. What about our 18 this year plus our first next season to Dallas for their two firsts in 08 and a 4th next season?

steelbtexan
01-31-2008, 05:50 PM
upon countless hours breaking down the tackle class & trying to get the most bang for the buck to the Texans organization its my conclusion if they can trade down from the 1st rd. to the 2nd rd. they could address the LT position for the long term with Kansas All-American Junior, Anthony Collins. http://kuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/121107aab.html most all the press (rightfully so) has gone to their other All American Junior, Aquib Talib (who would also garner attention by the Texans with the 18th pick) who declared early entry into the NFL. http://kuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/010708aab.html while Collins announcement went quietly into the hat. I also beleive if he had stayed his senior season he would be in the 1st rd. next year along with Michael Oher has the top tackle prospects. http://kuathletics.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/collins_anthony00.html

here is a tweek of the trade down option. say the Texans cannot find one of the really bad teams (early 2nd rd. picks) who want to trade but a team like Seattle (#25) wants Jonathan Stewart, so you trade back 7 spots. the Texans now have the 25th selection & Hawks 3rd (#85). try & trade down again depending on who is available balanced with incoming offers. lets say there is a cb who the Texans really like still on the board, maybe Talib or Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie who you have to imagine if either is available they use the pick here.

now we're into the second rd. (past our traded away for Schaub pick to Atlanta) & Anthony Collins is still on the board would the Texans consider moving up to the 2nd using those two 3rd rd. picks to take the OT they want? we would not have a 3rd rd, pick anymore but we would have our new cb & LT

it sounds a little complicated, but its just being creative & finding ways to get the right players for the best value. its all about staying true to your draft board, not over reaching for need & knowing when to pull the trigger via alternate paths to achieve superior results.

I like this. I believe this year draft is very strong & next years draft will be very weak due to all of underclassmen coming out. The 06 draft was strong & the 07 draft was weak because of this. That is why I would be for trading 09's draft picks for extra picks in this years draft. 07 2nd rounders included Mc Neil & Jones- Drew. I think Collins & Mc Neil are comparable.

beerlover
01-31-2008, 08:14 PM
Beerlover- I quoted you from the DRC thread ...how would you like this!?

Houston picks up a starting CB in FA without breaking the bank, and possibly a decent starting OLB. ATL drafts McFadden in the first, then trades their 2 2nd round picks to us so they can draft Brohm or Woodson:

2nd (thru ATL): Houston selects LT Anthony Collins
2nd (thru ATL thru HOU): Houston selects RB Ray Rice
3rd: Houston selects G Roy Schuening
4th: Houston selects C Mike Pollack

:specnatz:

it might be of some mild importance down the road that this was the year where the foundation was layed marking a real transformation to the Bronco Gibbs/Kubiak zbs. Because of our past/present personel they have been running a sort of hybred not a true zbs form. with Gibbs assistance, they're going to specificly target the talent which suits zbs. addressing/improving three starting OL positions is a long term proposition, along with a trigger RB like Rice or Forte to enhance its effectivness. Pitts remains @ LG & Winston RT with the others rehabing & retained for depth as long as not cap prohibitive. Rhodes knows the league & its defensive personel if he can match this with FA market talent (maybe a certain Seahawk CB) or other secondary, OLB, DT, DE mid-level cost talent he can coach up then I would say the Texans are in the buisness of winning :)

YoungTexanFan
01-31-2008, 08:49 PM
I like this. I believe this year draft is very strong & next years draft will be very weak due to all of underclassmen coming out. The 06 draft was strong & the 07 draft was weak because of this. That is why I would be for trading 09's draft picks for extra picks in this years draft. 07 2nd rounders included Mc Neil & Jones- Drew. I think Collins & Mc Neil are comparable.

Collins is MUCH quicker than McNeil when they play. Collins is also more athletic.

As it stands right now, this is who I'm targeting w/out a trade down.

1st:
a. Cromartie
b. Talib
c. McKelvin

3rd:
a. Collins
b. Rice
c. Bowman

4th:
a. Bennidict
b. Steltz
c. T. Thomas

Why?
Well, Cromartie is currently my top target. I think he will be NFL ready sooner than we all think, and his measurables coupled with his on-field performance at the senior bowl more him up the board. Talib is a great fall back option, as is McKelvin. I feel McKelvin will fall back to earth before the draft. In the third, Collins is my top target. He has long arms and a good kick-step, along with ideal size for a LT. Rice is my fall back plan, as he combines very good speed with toughness inside; he is bigger than most think. Bowman is a physical freak. Absolute freak. However, his hands cost him millions at the senior bowl, but Andre didn't have the best hands leaving Miami. His physical ability is too much for me to pass on; look at it like this: if his hands develop like Andre's did, we have two Andres. Bowman is that size with that speed and mentality. In the fourth I looked to pick up a very good lineman in Bennidict. He has been playing OT for Newbery, but I feel he is best suited to slide inside to guard. I have liked Steltz all year, and think he is just a player. Thomas from USC would be a very good addition to our DB's in the fourth round.

beerlover
02-01-2008, 12:26 AM
Collins is MUCH quicker than McNeil when they play. Collins is also more athletic.

As it stands right now, this is who I'm targeting w/out a trade down.


don't forget Collins does not have back problems, yet he was taken in the 2nd rd. & proved well worth the pick. Collins is also a much better fit for zbs.


1st:
a. Cromartie
b. Talib
c. McKelvin

3rd:
a. Collins
b. Rice
c. Bowman

4th:
a. Bennidict
b. Steltz
c. T. Thomas

Why?
Well, Cromartie is currently my top target. I think he will be NFL ready sooner than we all think, and his measurables coupled with his on-field performance at the senior bowl more him up the board. Talib is a great fall back option, as is McKelvin. I feel McKelvin will fall back to earth before the draft. In the third, Collins is my top target. He has long arms and a good kick-step, along with ideal size for a LT. Rice is my fall back plan, as he combines very good speed with toughness inside; he is bigger than most think. Bowman is a physical freak. Absolute freak. However, his hands cost him millions at the senior bowl, but Andre didn't have the best hands leaving Miami. His physical ability is too much for me to pass on; look at it like this: if his hands develop like Andre's did, we have two Andres. Bowman is that size with that speed and mentality. In the fourth I looked to pick up a very good lineman in Bennidict. He has been playing OT for Newbery, but I feel he is best suited to slide inside to guard. I have liked Steltz all year, and think he is just a player. Thomas from USC would be a very good addition to our DB's in the fourth round.

where is your trade down in there?

Collins should grade out early to mid 2nd rd. he has great measureables especially for the Texans scheme & more upside than some of those 1st rd. tackles, no way makes it to the 3rd or middle of the 3rd. now in buried in this thead somewhere I did propose trading up into a mid 2nd level pick with him still on the board in exchange for a pair of 3rd's (aquired for trading down in the 1st & taking Talib) then selecting Collins.

I really like Ole Miss scenero :lion: its realistic we get great players that meet our needs then Rhodes does his defensive FA magic.

beerlover
02-01-2008, 01:31 PM
NFL Draft Scout is upgrading their server so if you go to the website you can access some free information right now until later this afternoon. check it out :music: http://www.nfldraftscout.com/

anyway I clicked on 2008 offensive prospects Center list & noticed that Pollack is now rated as the #1 Center prospect & given a 2nd rd. grade. so go ahead & scratch off that hopeful 4th rd. selection I was espousing :cool:

badboy
02-01-2008, 01:43 PM
NFL Draft Scout is upgrading their server so if you go to the website you can access some free information right now until later this afternoon. check it out :music: http://www.nfldraftscout.com/

anyway I clicked on 2008 offensive prospects Center list & noticed that Pollack is now rated as the #1 Center prospect & given a 2nd rd. grade. so go ahead & scratch off that hopeful 4th rd. selection I was espousing :cool:Have it on my favorites and just finished reviewing new info on LT Tony Hill of U.Texas. He had ten blocks that resulted in touch downs and gave up one QB sack in 07. 3 penalties, 1 was personal fouls and 2 holding.

The more I think on it, if Stewart or Mendenhall is available at 18, I want that rather than a trade down. You get a possible franchise RB and a very good candidate in Hills for the ZBS. His speed/weight ratio seem to be just what dr. ordered. I'd look strong at FS in 4th. I see CB and OLB in free agency.

Maddict5
02-01-2008, 01:54 PM
the more i hear if anthony collins, the more i want to take him- even at 18

bah007
02-01-2008, 02:07 PM
Have it on my favorites and just finished reviewing new info on LT Tony Hill of U.Texas. He had ten blocks that resulted in touch downs and gave up one QB sack in 07. 3 penalties, 1 was personal fouls and 2 holding.

The more I think on it, if Stewart or Mendenhall is available at 18, I want that rather than a trade down. You get a possible franchise RB and a very good candidate in Hills for the ZBS. His speed/weight ratio seem to be just what dr. ordered. I'd look strong at FS in 4th. I see CB and OLB in free agency.

I love Hills, but in some games last year he just looked soft.

He moved over from TE so his technique is still raw.

I love his size & speed though. Incredible athleticism for a LT.

Goldensilence
02-01-2008, 02:50 PM
Beerlover- I quoted you from the DRC thread ...how would you like this!?

Houston picks up a starting CB in FA without breaking the bank, and possibly a decent starting OLB. ATL drafts McFadden in the first, then trades their 2 2nd round picks to us so they can draft Brohm or Woodson:

2nd (thru ATL): Houston selects LT Anthony Collins
2nd (thru ATL thru HOU): Houston selects RB Ray Rice
3rd: Houston selects G Roy Schuening
4th: Houston selects C Mike Pollack

If this happened I'd do backflips after the draft.

ATL has the firepower to move up and NEEDS a QB...but if McFadden is there how can you pass up that kind of talent? Especially after the vick Fiasco. Something has to pull fans back in.

badboy
02-01-2008, 03:44 PM
I love Hills, but in some games last year he just looked soft.

He moved over from TE so his technique is still raw.

I love his size & speed though. Incredible athleticism for a LT.Played left tackle three years college. He should not be too raw.

http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=15&change_well_id=17&member_id=35

threetoedpete
02-01-2008, 04:02 PM
If this happened I'd do backflips after the draft.

ATL has the firepower to move up and NEEDS a QB...but if McFadden is there how can you pass up that kind of talent? Especially after the vick Fiasco. Something has to pull fans back in.

This is what I was thinking all long. I got my head on the block over a cowboys move up...but if they don't, with McFaddin the Falcons have a guy who instantly gives them a workhorse at RB. Nothing against Warwick Done, er Dunn....but there are only so many draws you can run. McFaddin can move the chains for you. The fact that they do have the twoes...means they can patch with a FA or pick the pick of the litter at Qb as they pass by. I meaan the o-line is already set up for the ZBS. Bring in another young Qb to groom, draft a hot shot o-lineman...they can be competitve out of the gate. Makes sense to me. Saw where the Brownies are comikng off of their #1 demand of anderson and are now just looking for a two in compenstion. Interesting.
Take Anderson to hold the fort & groom up the Young guy...come back and draft Dennis Dixon or the hot shot out of of San Deigo Johnson, as the groom guy. Micheal who ?

threetoedpete
02-01-2008, 04:14 PM
the more i hear if anthony collins, the more i want to take him- even at 18

Me too but as crazy as I am about it...I let you post that. I'm not as frantic as I was last year with Thomas and Brown on the board...I can see the argument of moving back or taking the CB. And there is enough tallent on the board, I'm not going to be too upset if they hold their water and go RB/CB. After the third it gets a little dicey. The scouts come up with a worst case scenario starter for Salaam after the thrid, they will have earned their oats.

AnthonyE
02-01-2008, 11:54 PM
Have it on my favorites and just finished reviewing new info on LT Tony Hill of U.Texas. He had ten blocks that resulted in touch downs and gave up one QB sack in 07. 3 penalties, 1 was personal fouls and 2 holding.

The more I think on it, if Stewart or Mendenhall is available at 18, I want that rather than a trade down. You get a possible franchise RB and a very good candidate in Hills for the ZBS. His speed/weight ratio seem to be just what dr. ordered. I'd look strong at FS in 4th. I see CB and OLB in free agency.

I would love for this to happen.

I'll take stewart because of his speed with strength. If he isn't there, screw it. Trade down as best you can. Try to dangle the pick in front of the 'hawks so they can take their needed RB and skip ahead of Dallas because they'll be looking for a RB too.

Tony Hills would be awesome. I question if he'll be there in the 3rd though.

Ole Miss Texan
02-14-2008, 02:13 PM
So here's another trade down scenario I thought of. Houston and San Francisco. (I'm starting to doubt Mendenhall is even going to be available for us)

We're picking at 18. Behind us sit Philly, Tampa, Washington, Dallas, Pittsburgh, and Tennessee that could all be looking seriously to select a WR. Minn. is at 17 and could also but they have a lot of other needs as well.

I see San Fran needing help on the DL and at WR. I think it could be possible they may look to trade up with us to beat out these other teams and grab their favorite WR. All their WR's (Battle, Jackson, Lelie, Hill) are somewhat similar in size at 6-0/6-1, 200-210lbs. I don't know if they'd be looking for a guy like Desean Jackson- smaller/faster wide out; or someone like Malcolm Kelly - 6-4, 220lbs. Either way I think if they want one of them they have to trade up with US.

So now to the trade:
San Francisco receives #18 (900 pts) and Texans 3rd Rd pick (190 pts) Total: 1,090 pts.

Houston receives SF's (via Indy) #29 (640 pts) and SF's 2nd rd pick #40 (500 pts) Total 1,100 pts. Trade value is a push.

San Fran now looks at their Wide Out at #18 and now has 2 3rd round picks.

Houston now has the best opportunity to select the next of the best Left Tackles at #29. I think Miami, Atlanta, Oakland...a whole slew of the teams at the top are going to be targeting some OL with their top of the 2nd draft picks.

Looks like Chris Williams from Vandy will be gone but I think we have a great chance to select Anthony Collins from Kansas. Some grade him as a 2nd rounder but it seems to me he'd be a great fit for our team and is solid- what we're looking for. My guess is he's gone at the top of the 2nd round. We'd miss out on him with SF's 2nd rd pick.

Then with the 8th pick in the 2nd round we still have a shot at some very good CB talent. Jenkins and McKelvin look to be the 1st two gone. We're looking at Cason, Talib, Cromartie, Flowers being selected after them and all I would like for our team. Reggie Smith may even be available for CB/FS.

I think Salaam starts at LT but Collins could get significant playing time and take over early in the season (young LT to protect Schaub for 10+ years and can start MUCH earlier than Gibbs later round picks). I think the CB we select in the 2nd would start day 1 opposite of Bennett. Could solidify himself our #1 CB and move Dunta to Nickle if he ever comes back. (This is obviously depending on if we get a CB in Free Agency).

How would we like this trade scenario?

beerlover
02-14-2008, 02:33 PM
once again your creativity shines, happy Valentines :heart:

I like your selections for the Texans. Address OT & secondary.

this is the downside. if I where a 49ers rep. right about now I feel, maybe just a little bit, burned. not your trade but they got smoked :survivor: by Belicheat. I would expect them to address WR via free agency, Andre Davis could even be on their radar & they too would look to trade down, not up.....addressing multiple needs.

badboy
02-14-2008, 05:16 PM
So here's another trade down scenario I thought of. Houston and San Francisco. (I'm starting to doubt Mendenhall is even going to be available for us)

We're picking at 18. Behind us sit Philly, Tampa, Washington, Dallas, Pittsburgh, and Tennessee that could all be looking seriously to select a WR. Minn. is at 17 and could also but they have a lot of other needs as well.

I see San Fran needing help on the DL and at WR. I think it could be possible they may look to trade up with us to beat out these other teams and grab their favorite WR. All their WR's (Battle, Jackson, Lelie, Hill) are somewhat similar in size at 6-0/6-1, 200-210lbs. I don't know if they'd be looking for a guy like Desean Jackson- smaller/faster wide out; or someone like Malcolm Kelly - 6-4, 220lbs. Either way I think if they want one of them they have to trade up with US.

So now to the trade:
San Francisco receives #18 (900 pts) and Texans 3rd Rd pick (190 pts) Total: 1,090 pts.

Houston receives SF's (via Indy) #29 (640 pts) and SF's 2nd rd pick #40 (500 pts) Total 1,100 pts. Trade value is a push.

San Fran now looks at their Wide Out at #18 and now has 2 3rd round picks.

Houston now has the best opportunity to select the next of the best Left Tackles at #29. I think Miami, Atlanta, Oakland...a whole slew of the teams at the top are going to be targeting some OL with their top of the 2nd draft picks.

Looks like Chris Williams from Vandy will be gone but I think we have a great chance to select Anthony Collins from Kansas. Some grade him as a 2nd rounder but it seems to me he'd be a great fit for our team and is solid- what we're looking for. My guess is he's gone at the top of the 2nd round. We'd miss out on him with SF's 2nd rd pick.

Then with the 8th pick in the 2nd round we still have a shot at some very good CB talent. Jenkins and McKelvin look to be the 1st two gone. We're looking at Cason, Talib, Cromartie, Flowers being selected after them and all I would like for our team. Reggie Smith may even be available for CB/FS.

I think Salaam starts at LT but Collins could get significant playing time and take over early in the season (young LT to protect Schaub for 10+ years and can start MUCH earlier than Gibbs later round picks). I think the CB we select in the 2nd would start day 1 opposite of Bennett. Could solidify himself our #1 CB and move Dunta to Nickle if he ever comes back. (This is obviously depending on if we get a CB in Free Agency).

How would we like this trade scenario?I'm ok I think with trade but would select @ 29 Jamaal Charles@ RB who should eat up the ZBS. I would select in 2nd Collins if there, if not then Cason, Talib or Baker or Cherilus. I see Tony Hills there in third if needed and several CB in 4th. I do not think we sign a starting CB in FA, unfortunately. Just a feeling.

Ole Miss Texan
03-10-2008, 11:13 AM
I got another good one coming Beerlover- been thinking about it over the weekend. It's gonna take some time for me to really sit down and study it from both sides to see if it really would be a good trade for both teams.

Just a hint of what's coming though... How do you think Atlanta would like to get Sage Rosenfels? He's proven he can come in, play, and win. Maybe they don't think he's the QB of the future but they know what theyre getting, and may have more confidence with him starting and Redman on the bench. (+ rumor may be they trade deangelo hall for brady quinn, if that's true: Do they start redman and then put Quinn in during the season or does BQ need more time learning?) Or if they get another young QB, they may rather him learn behind sage than redman???

Anyways, the trade kind of hinges on Atlanta placing a good value on Sage (like a early 3rd rd pick) but it is very difficult. So I can throw it out the window if yall say Sage to Atlanta is a no go fo sho.

beerlover
03-10-2008, 11:47 AM
Sage is invalueable to the Texans he's not going anywhere. if Schaub can prove himself next season & Sage doesn't feel like he's getting enough PT then it might be in everyones best interest to shop him around, but as it stands right now its too risky for the Texans.

I'm not in the draft Matt Ryan camp. I beleive Atlanta should take either the top DL or OL available @ #3.

The Falcons need a quarterback, everyone knows that. But the Joe in the crosshairs is more likely Flacco. everytime he works out for scouts he impresses, just this past week @ his pro-day while sitting on his combine numbers he still threw about 30 times for some 20 NFL scouts who left impressed. He reminds me alot of Schaub with better mobility & stronger arm. by the time all is said & done he could be a 1st rd. pick, right now I have him borderline & as interest heats up the Falcons could get nervous & use their 2nd rd. picks to move up to get him.

Maybe Rick can trade down a couple times in measured steps to enhance all the possible value we can get. I would be happy with two 2nd rd. picks instead of one 1st rd. pick plus more :)

Having said all that look forward to your "another good one coming" :mail:

badboy
03-10-2008, 12:03 PM
I got another good one coming Beerlover- been thinking about it over the weekend. It's gonna take some time for me to really sit down and study it from both sides to see if it really would be a good trade for both teams.

Just a hint of what's coming though... How do you think Atlanta would like to get Sage Rosenfels? He's proven he can come in, play, and win. Maybe they don't think he's the QB of the future but they know what theyre getting, and may have more confidence with him starting and Redman on the bench. (+ rumor may be they trade deangelo hall for brady quinn, if that's true: Do they start redman and then put Quinn in during the season or does BQ need more time learning?) Or if they get another young QB, they may rather him learn behind sage than redman???

Anyways, the trade kind of hinges on Atlanta placing a good value on Sage (like a early 3rd rd pick) but it is very difficult. So I can throw it out the window if yall say Sage to Atlanta is a no go fo sho.I would not allow Sage to leave for less than a 2nd and Atlanta could give us back our #18. From the prior thread on trading Sage for a 3rd, it did create talk. We would have to sign a vet QB and also probably draft a candidate. 1) Chris William LT if avail or Stewart 2) Cason or Talib CB (I know but some have both possibly in 2nd)if not then probably Tracy Porter 3) If no RB in 1st, Forte then Kevin Smith then Hart 4) LT Tony Hills remains solid with size/speed perfect for new sytem and if Heath Bennedict drops maybe him. 5) Colt Brennan Qb that might go in 4th.

El Tejano
03-10-2008, 12:04 PM
I wouldn't mind trading with Seattle. They are going to be looking for a RB in this draft. I think we show all kinds of interest in the draft for a RB but don't really want one. This would allow us to trade down with Seattle in round 1 and gain a #2 for our #18. Seattle gets its RB, we get either a CB or LT at a better value in round 1, and then a good RB in round 2.

badboy
03-10-2008, 12:10 PM
Have it on my favorites and just finished reviewing new info on LT Tony Hill of U.Texas. He had ten blocks that resulted in touch downs and gave up one QB sack in 07. 3 penalties, 1 was personal fouls and 2 holding.

The more I think on it, if Stewart or Mendenhall is available at 18, I want that rather than a trade down. You get a possible franchise RB and a very good candidate in Hills for the ZBS. His speed/weight ratio seem to be just what dr. ordered. I'd look strong at FS in 4th. I see CB and OLB in free agency.
Well so far, I got the CB and OLB in free agency right even if they decide to go for CB in draft. Man, Stewart in 1st, Charles Godfrey CB in 3rd and 4th Tony Hills LT 5th this DE :http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=68159
I could live with this.

Maddict5
03-10-2008, 04:54 PM
Sage is invalueable to the Texans he's not going anywhere.

apparently not... unless a 2nd rder became the new 'invaluable' and i missed it :)

beerlover
03-10-2008, 06:55 PM
apparently not... unless a 2nd rder became the new 'invaluable' and i missed it :)

I beleive its called The Art Of Negotiation