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GlassHalfFull
01-15-2008, 11:22 AM
I am curious for your take on why the Cowboys fans hate on the Texas so much. I know all the reasons Texans fans dislike the Cowboys, but am wondering why the reverse it true.

Is it all because of 19-10 or do they just not like sharing?

Texan_Bill
01-15-2008, 11:23 AM
I am curious for your take on why the Cowboys fans hate on the Texas so much. I know all the reasons Texans fans dislike the Cowboys, but am wondering why the reverse it true.

Is it all because of 19-10 or do they just not like sharing?

Most of them will tell you that the hatred is one way... Houstonians hating on Dallasites and that they don't care enough about Houston to hate us.

ATX
01-15-2008, 11:23 AM
I honestly don't think the dislike is as strong amongst Cowboy fans as Texans fans.

ATX
01-15-2008, 11:27 AM
It's more fun to question their Texanity. Most people in Houston know who their city was named after and most people in Austin know who their city is named after, but ask someone from Dallas who their city was named after and you'll get the strangest looks.

Vinny
01-15-2008, 11:47 AM
I am curious for your take on why the Cowboys fans hate on the Texas so much. I know all the reasons Texans fans dislike the Cowboys, but am wondering why the reverse it true.

Is it all because of 19-10 or do they just not like sharing?

I think its mostly the other way around. I see a TON more Cowboy hatred and jealousy from our fan base than I see Cowboy hatred to ours. I know of a bunch of Cowboy fans who have taken the Texans as their "AFC team"...I don't see the flip side to that much. I follow the Cowboys closely to be honest....I'd love nothing better than to see an all Texas Super Bowl one day.

GlassHalfFull
01-15-2008, 11:50 AM
Maybe I'm too sensitive, or I know the wrong people.

If you read the comments in the Chronicle, you see a lot of hate coming this way from Cowboy fans. Maybe it is a case of a couple of squeaky wheels making the problem seem bigger than it is.

Double Barrel
01-15-2008, 12:15 PM
I am curious for your take on why the Cowboys fans hate on the Texas so much. I know all the reasons Texans fans dislike the Cowboys, but am wondering why the reverse it true.

Is it all because of 19-10 or do they just not like sharing?

Mostly from Houston *cough*bandwagon*cough* Cowboys fans, IMO. Not so much from people that live in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area in my experiences.

I think it comes from arrogance and the self-loathing that comes from bandwaggoning a team that does not represent the city you live in. They need to badmouth the Texans to justify in their minds not rooting for the home team.

I have met a lot of good Cowboys fans, though, and many of them do root for the Texans as their AFC team. But I'd be lying if I said I haven't met a lot of chump Cowboys fans, with their arrogant attitudes and bragging how they've been a bandwagon fan since they were kids.

HoustonFrog
01-15-2008, 12:22 PM
I think its mostly the other way around. I see a TON more Cowboy hatred and jealousy from our fan base than I see Cowboy hatred to ours. I know of a bunch of Cowboy fans who have taken the Texans as their "AFC team"...I don't see the flip side to that much. I follow the Cowboys closely to be honest....I'd love nothing better than to see an all Texas Super Bowl one day.

AGREED!!!!I just had this talk after hearing the insufferable sports radio shows yesterday. Cowboy fans and most people in the Dallas and Ft. Worth area either DON'T dislike the Houston teams or are indifferent. I grew up in Ft. Worth..23 years..and grew up a Cowboy fan. No bandwagon. Having brothers at Texas I also grew up an Earl fan and then to a lesser extent..second team..the Oilers. I remember the Renfro call in the end zone because the Cowboys nemesis was the Steelers. I remember the Astros 17 inning game against the Mets while in high school.

I don't want to come across as an @ss but it is crazy how much people care about the Cowboys losing here despite the fact that Houston has never had a football team to call Super Bowl champs or even AFC champs. If Dallas had a bad year and the Texans had lost this past weekend the talk radio in Dallas would barely have mentioned it or would have talked about how they wished the Texans had done well.

For all the people who say Dallas fans are a-holes so Houston people hate the Cowboys... Look at what you are doing. To me it is the chicken or the egg. Did SOME Houston fans become annoying and full of hate because Cowboy fans talked too much or did Cowboy fans talk too much because Houston fans wouldn't stop hating?HMM

Texan_Bill
01-15-2008, 12:22 PM
They need to badmouth the Texans to justify in their minds not rooting for the home team.

*scratches head* So let me get this straight..... Blazing Arrow is a Cowgurls fan?!?!???

Double Barrel
01-15-2008, 12:26 PM
*scratches head* So let me get this straight..... Blazing Arrow is a Cowgurls fan?!?!???


He might as well be. At least the Cowboys have scoreboard in their history.

StarStruck
01-15-2008, 01:07 PM
Anyone that started the rumor, needs to stop. The hatred is definitely one way for the most part, and if any is returned in kind it is due to some Cowboy fans finally tiring of extending the olive branch. I know too many fans here and other fan bases, and from day one it has either been support for the new team or indifference. I know for a fact when the Texans won the game against Pittsburgh, if not mistaken, year one, I was in Texas Stadium, and there was a roar of applause throughout the stadium when the score was reported that the Texans had won. And, that my friends, was after the 19-10 loss to the Texans. I know it sounds better the say it is both ways, but it just isn't the truth.

Speaking of bandwagon, I think I can understand what some of you mean. Man, have any of you met the new New England Patriots fans, who by the way, have lived in Texas all of their lives? Some of them gives a whole new meaning to arrogance.

Texan_Bill
01-15-2008, 01:14 PM
Most of them will tell you that the hatred is one way... Houstonians hating on Dallasites and that they don't care enough about Houston to hate us.

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Anyone that started the rumor, needs to stop. The hatred is definitely one way for the most part, and if any is returned in kind it is due to some Cowboy fans finally tiring of extending the olive branch. I know too many fans here and other fan bases, and from day one it has either been support for the new team or indifference. I know for a fact when the Texans won the game against Pittsburgh, if not mistaken, year one, I was in Texas Stadium, and there was a roar of applause throughout the stadium when the score was reported that the Texans had won. And, that my friends, was after the 19-10 loss to the Texans. I know it sounds better the say it is both ways, but it just isn't the truth.


Thanks StarStruck

TEXANS84
01-15-2008, 01:47 PM
When I went to the last game up in Dallas, I talked to a bunch of Cowboy fans sitting around me who were somewhat nice. They said that they always cheer for the Texans because they will cheer for the teams that represent our state. They had no idea that Texans fans have a hatred towards the Cowboys and couldn't comprehend why we weren't cheering for them as well (when not playing each other).

By the end of the 1st quarter, I consistantly heard Cowboy fans at the game saying: "Geez, these Texans fans are just as bad if not worse than the Eagles fans that come here. What's their deal? And what does the 19-10 mean?"

Then a Texans fan would respond: "19-10 baby! We whooped your butt in 2002!!".
Of course then rolled back the obvious statement from the Cowboy fans: "5 superbowl rings, talk to me then".

Honestly, everyone needs to move on from the 19-10 game. Its gone. It was a fantastic day and a hell of a start to our franchise, but nobody outside of Houston still cares about that game.

Texan_Bill
01-15-2008, 01:51 PM
And what does the 19-10 mean?

Tells you everything you need to know about many cowboy fans...


It's not like that is meaningless..... What happened that night - had only happened one other time in NFL history!!! Ask an Oiler or Bill fan what 41-38 means..

HoustonFrog
01-15-2008, 02:05 PM
When I went to the last game up in Dallas, I talked to a bunch of Cowboy fans sitting around me who were somewhat nice. They said that they always cheer for the Texans because they will cheer for the teams that represent our state. They had no idea that Texans fans have a hatred towards the Cowboys and couldn't comprehend why we weren't cheering for them as well (when not playing each other).

By the end of the 1st quarter, I consistantly heard Cowboy fans at the game saying: "Geez, these Texans fans are just as bad if not worse than the Eagles fans that come here. What's their deal? And what does the 19-10 mean?"

Then a Texans fan would respond: "19-10 baby! We whooped your butt in 2002!!".
Of course then rolled back the obvious statement from the Cowboy fans: "5 superbowl rings, talk to me then".

Honestly, everyone needs to move on from the 19-10 game. Its gone. It was a fantastic day and a hell of a start to our franchise, but nobody outside of Houston still cares about that game.

Well said. As I explained above..its a one way street as far as I have experienced and that includes living all but one year of my life in just those two areas.

Specnatz
01-15-2008, 02:44 PM
When I lived in Arlington and worked in dallas I saw plenty of hatred for Houston. when I would talk to people and they found out I was from Houston they would be rude and say oh your from there and what crappy city Houston is.

This is why I dislike most things about Dallas. I have hated the cowboys ever since Tom Landry was fired.

HoustonFrog
01-15-2008, 02:46 PM
When I lived in Arlington and worked in dallas I saw plenty of hatred for Houston. when I would talk to people and they found out I was from Houston they would be rude and say oh your from there and what crappy city Houston is.

This is why I dislike most things about Dallas. I have hated the cowboys ever since Tom Landry was fired.

Heck when I grew up in Ft. Worth I used to say the same thing about driving down here because all you see on I-45 is furniture stores, bad traffic and billboards but once I moved here I loved it and would rather live here than Dallas...Ft. Worth is different. Sports wise though I never heard people bad mouth Houston teams. Still don't when I visit family. In fact many guys on The Ticket..sports radio up there.. openly rooted for the Astros to win and bragged about them being run better than the Rangers. In my first 23 years there I never heard anything bad and people rooted for the Oilers and Astros.

StarStruck
01-15-2008, 02:53 PM
When I lived in Arlington and worked in dallas I saw plenty of hatred for Houston. when I would talk to people and they found out I was from Houston they would be rude and say oh your from there and what crappy city Houston is.

This is why I dislike most things about Dallas. I have hated the cowboys ever since Tom Landry was fired.

Just out of curiousity, if all the people were rude and talked about how crappy Houston was, why did it take Landry bring fired for the dislike to begin? Also, given that there are millions of fans outside of the Dallas area, do those fans act in the same manner? Personally, I find it interesting to put too much stock into what a group of employees in Dallas in general have to say anyway given when it was time to vote on the stadium initiave, the powers that be, said, no not here.

Texan_Bill
01-15-2008, 02:55 PM
Botttom line:

Is there a love fest between 9ers fans and Chargers fans?
Philly and Pittsburgh??
New York and New York. How about Buffalo and the Giants!??
St. Louis and Kansas City?!??

I make no apologies for my unabashed love of my home teams and hatred for teams from other cities....... *ahem* especially Dallas. :cowboy1:

HoustonFrog
01-15-2008, 02:57 PM
Botttom line:

Is there a love fest between 9ers fans and Chargers fans?
Philly and Pittsburgh??
New York and New York. How about Buffalo and the Giants!??
St. Louis and Kansas City?!??

I make no apologies for my unabashed love of my home teams and hatred for teams from other cities....... *ahem* especially Dallas. :cowboy1:

I understand that...I just want people to know that it is mostly one way and makes you wonder which breeds which. Respect though. :)

PapaL
01-15-2008, 02:59 PM
I am curious for your take on why the Cowboys fans hate on the Texas so much. I know all the reasons Texans fans dislike the Cowboys, but am wondering why the reverse it true.

Is it all because of 19-10 or do they just not like sharing?

That's easy:

John Madden was in Green Bay to announce a football game one weekend
when he noticed a special telephone near the Packers ' bench. He asked
QB Favre what it was used for and was told it was a hotline to God.
John asked if he could use it. Favre replied, 'Sure, but it will cost
you $200. John scratched his head, then thought, what the heck, I could
use some help picking games. He pulled out his wallet and paid $200.
John's picks were perfect that week.The next week, John was in
Indianapolis when he noticed that same kind of phone on the Colts
bench. He asked what the telephone was for and Manning told him, 'It's
a hotline to God if you want to use it, it will cost you $500.'
Recalling the previous week, John pulled out his wallet and made the
call. John's picks were perfect again that week.

Last weekend, John was in Houston , when he noticed the same kind of telephone
by the Houston bench. He asked Matt Schaub, 'Is that the hotline to God?' Matt said,
'Yes, and if you want to use it, it will cost you 50 cents.' John looked incredulously
at Schaub and said, 'Wait a second, I just paid $200 in Green Bay and $500 in Indianapolis
to use the same phone to God! Why do the Texans only charge 50 cents ?

Matt replied, 'Because in Houston, it's a local call...Welcome to God's Country.'.................

Texan_Bill
01-15-2008, 03:00 PM
Just out of curiousity, if all the people were rude and talked about how crappy Houston was, why did it take Landry bring fired for the dislike to begin? Also, given that there are millions of fans outside of the Dallas area, do those fans act in the same manner? Personally, I find it interesting to put too much stock into what a group of employees in Dallas in general have to say anyway given when it was time to vote on the stadium initiave, the powers that be, said, no not here.

I hated Dallas then too... It just so happened that you couldn't help but respect the man (Landry as he was what was good about football), and when some jerk-off from Arkansas buys the team and wants to play big-boy, he unceremoniously dumps 'one' of the greatest head coaches ever.

That didn't start my hate for the cowboys, but it sure did add fuel to the fire.... Look, I hate the Steelers, but I had respect for Chuck Knoll too.

GlassHalfFull
01-15-2008, 03:00 PM
Thanks to all of ya'll who responded. It was a serious question and I am surprised to see so much feedback that the hate is mostly a one way thing.

I had thought it interesting that the Rangers/Astros did not seem to have any of the animosity.

I grew up in Va and the Redskins were my first love, so this explains my feelings toward Dallas. I think the whole America's Team thing backfired on them and caused resentment around the country.

Landry was a class act and while he was there garnered respect ,even among fans that hated the team. Once Jerry bought the team and Landry left, so did any respect - at least on my part.

Vinny
01-15-2008, 03:02 PM
I understand that...I just want people to know that it is mostly one way and makes you wonder which breeds which. Respect though. :)
In my eyes it looks like we are jealous much of the time...and the Cowboys fans pick at that because it is an easy target. Insecurity is a beeotch.

keyser
01-15-2008, 03:04 PM
I'm someone who was a Cowboys fan from birth, but couldn't take it when they brought in T.O. (that still makes me mad...) At that time, I decided to follow the Texans instead, and have been a fan for the last couple of years.

Speaking as someone who was a strong Cowboys fan for years, I really don't think there's much hatred among Cowboys fans for the Texans. In fact, I was really surprised when I started reading Texans boards regularly at how much hatred there was the other direction. As a Cowboys fan, there was plenty of hatred for Washington, for Philadelphia, for Green Bay, but I don't think I ever heard anyone say anything about the Texans. Honestly, the Cowboys get so much hatred from all sides (I believe they've been both the most popular and the most hated team in the NFL), the Texans didn't really register on the "return the hate" meter. I had honstly forgotten all about the 19-10 game until I started reading these boards. I expect this might change over time (especially as some Texans fans push the issue) as more of a rivalry develops, though.

HoustonFrog
01-15-2008, 03:10 PM
In my eyes it looks like we are jealous much of the time...and the Cowboys fans pick at that because it is an easy target. Insecurity is a beeotch.

You nailed it for me. It comes across as arrogant from Dallas' side but its really just one of those things most have never gotten and they will jump on it when confronted.

Here is an example. I'm driving home from work yesterday and Matt and Rich on 610 are basically acting like the Texans just won the Super Bowl but doing it because the Cowboys lost..montages, calls of people laughing, etc, etc. I was stuck in traffic and texted something about how it sounded pathetic that they were so giddy over a loss. The text back seriously said something to the affect..and I'm sure it was Matt... of "Dallas sucks, go smoke some crack." How fresh:yawn:

I grew up in Va and the Redskins were my first love, so this explains my feelings toward Dallas. I think the whole America's Team thing backfired on them and caused resentment around the country.

Landry was a class act and while he was there garnered respect ,even among fans that hated the team. Once Jerry bought the team and Landry left, so did any respect - at least on my part.

That wasn't even their own doing. They just ran with it. But the love/hate thing seems to make the point.

Texan_Bill
01-15-2008, 03:17 PM
In my eyes it looks like we are jealous much of the time...and the Cowboys fans pick at that because it is an easy target. Insecurity is a beeotch.

One man's trash is another man's gold...

I call it civic pride for where I live and grew up!!

From a historical sense, Dallas can't hold H-town's jock. Someone brought it up earlier... "anyone even know how Dallas got it's name?". Pretty easy for us. I think its quite the opposite of what you state Vinny. Dallas' only identity is their football team. Other than that and some cheesy soap opera, what are they known for??

Just askin'.....

HoustonFrog
01-15-2008, 03:22 PM
One man's trash is another man's gold...

I call it civic pride for where I live and grew up!!

From a historical sense, Dallas can't hold H-town's jock. Someone brought it up earlier... "anyone even know how Dallas got it's name?". Pretty easy for us. I think its quite the opposite of what you state Vinny. Dallas' only identity is their football team. Other than that and some cheesy soap opera, what are they known for??

Just askin'.....

See TB and this just isn't true either. Dallas has alot to offer. As I said, I'd rather live here but since alot of family is still in Dallas, Ft. Worth and Arlington I'm at my sisters alot in Dallas. She lives in the nice areas and I'm sure people from here would label anyone a snob or whatever but overall the people are fun and like anyone else. I have a blast when I hang out with their friends. Their "status" doesn't make a difference so it cracks me up when I hear that argument here about snobs. It defintely is alot less laid back than Houston but it depends on what you want. There are plenty of great places to eat, good arts, etc.

I think people saying Dallas is "this and that" is the same as people growing up there saying Houston is the armpit of the state because they only drove through it a few times or never really lived there.

The County of Dallas was named after the Vice President at the time after Texas was annexed. There are various stories if he is the namesake of the city since John Bryan founded the city.

Now Ft. Worth, my hometown..you can't beat it for all things good.:)

I think Vinnys point though is despite your civic pride why would you have to be so angry at what Dallas has compared to here when the reverse doesn't happen. A feud takes two participants and one of them doesn't care in this case. I personally would only move back that way if it was Ft. Worth but I realize each city has its own way of doing things.

Specnatz
01-15-2008, 03:24 PM
Just out of curiousity, if all the people were rude and talked about how crappy Houston was, why did it take Landry bring fired for the dislike to begin? Also, given that there are millions of fans outside of the Dallas area, do those fans act in the same manner? Personally, I find it interesting to put too much stock into what a group of employees in Dallas in general have to say anyway given when it was time to vote on the stadium initiave, the powers that be, said, no not here.

I never hated the Cowboys until then but I did not like them either but I did respect them.

As far as the people in Arlington and Ft Worth, never had an issue with them they were very cool and heck most of the time they bad mouthed Dallas, which I always thought was funny.

Honestly I am not jealous of anything regarding Dallas or the cowboys. All I hear is guys I work with Colts Jags and a lot of Cowboy fans bashing the team I like and saying we will never win a damn thing. Thank God they have all shut up about Mario and I was more than happy to keep asking if they thought he was still a bust.

Ckw
01-15-2008, 03:37 PM
Well it seems my experience is very different from everyone else's. Most of the Cowboys I have met love to bash our Texans, mainly for the 2006 draft. Whether or not that will end remains to be seen. I think there is a giant Longhorn-Cowboys fanbase. The Texans have an Aggie coach, which many Longhorns dislike and bash Kubiak at any opportunity, and many of the Longhorns/Cowboys fans didn't even attend the school. They are the bandwagon guys who jump aboard the ships of the good teams. They root for the Cowboys because of those 5 Super Bowls. They root for the Longhorns for that 2006 National Championship. This has just been my experience though.

Vinny
01-15-2008, 03:41 PM
In my eyes it looks like we are jealous much of the time...and the Cowboys fans pick at that because it is an easy target. Insecurity is a beeotch.

One man's trash is another man's gold...

I call it civic pride for where I live and grew up!!

From a historical sense, Dallas can't hold H-town's jock. Someone brought it up earlier... "anyone even know how Dallas got it's name?". Pretty easy for us. I think its quite the opposite of what you state Vinny. Dallas' only identity is their football team. Other than that and some cheesy soap opera, what are they known for??

Just askin'.....
Houston is a great town, but that doesn't mean the other towns suck...just because. That isn't civic pride, that's insecurity. Confidence is a place where you don't feel compelled to tear others down in order to feel good about yourself...same goes with sports fan mentalities methinks.

Texan_Bill
01-15-2008, 03:42 PM
She lives in the nice areas and I'm sure people from here would label anyone a snob or whatever but overall the people are fun and like anyone else. I have a blast when I hang out with their friends, despite knowing that they have alot of cash. There are plenty of great places to eat, good arts, etc.

I think people saying Dallas is "this and that" is the same as people growing up there saying Houston is the armpit of the state because they only drove through it a few times or never really lived there.

Frog...

To your first point (edited above), what makes that any different from most any other city?? I think anyone from just about any city in the country could say the same thing(s) about his or her city. Don't get me wrong. I still have family in that area and visit every so often and yes, I enjoy myself.

I agree here. People sometimes make un-informed comments based on 'blowing through' town and what not. I would hope for the sake of argument that those folks would not weigh in on this topic though.

My point is, Houston is percieved as not having an identity or any culture, but my argument is that it does. San Jacinto (history) alone speaks volumes in my book. Add in NASA(technology) and the energy industry and one of few cities that have 4 professional performing arts companies: opera (Houston Grand Opera), ballet (Houston Ballet), music (Houston Symphony Orchestra), and theater (The Alley Theatre), add in TUTS and the Hobby Center, restaurants out the wazzooo!!!

Texan_Bill
01-15-2008, 03:48 PM
Houston is a great town, but that doesn't mean the other towns suck...just because. That isn't civic pride, that's insecurity. Confidence is a place where you don't feel compelled to tear others down in order to feel good about yourself...same goes with sports fan mentalities methinks.

I have too many family members, friends and people I respect from on this board from the Dallas area to rip on individuals there, but I have said this before... I have never met so many $30,000.00 a year 'millionaires' wannabees in one single city like I have Dallas. That's arrogance born out of insecurity... Not confidence born out of security..

I'm not compelled to tear anything down... I know the city of Dallas really aspires to be more like Houston. :)

Should have saved that last part for Blazing Arrow.

StarStruck
01-15-2008, 03:52 PM
I never hated the Cowboys until then but I did not like them either but I did respect them.

As far as the people in Arlington and Ft Worth, never had an issue with them they were very cool and heck most of the time they bad mouthed Dallas, which I always thought was funny.

Honestly I am not jealous of anything regarding Dallas or the cowboys. All I hear is guys I work with Colts Jags and a lot of Cowboy fans bashing the team I like and saying we will never win a damn thing. Thank God they have all shut up about Mario and I was more than happy to keep asking if they thought he was still a bust.

I really liked Coach Landry as well. However, in the last few years of his career, he wasn't that effective as a winning coach. Nice, yes, effective, questionable. It appeared at the time that Jerry Jones fired Coach Landry in a rather cavalier way, but we don't know what went on behind the scenes about him leaving the team and how. We don't know what kind of offer Jerry may have made and how Coach Landry may have responded. 29 years is a long time on the job, and sometimes people don't like the proposed changes as they are presented.

As far as hearing guys at work bashing the Texans, by the same token, guys at work bash the Cowboys, same story, just a different team name.

Another thing, I just recently saw a program on the NFL channel about how Tex Schramm handled the players during the 70's, and all I could think was he had a way of doing business that could make Bud Adams blush.

TEXANS84
01-15-2008, 03:53 PM
When I went to school up at TCU in Ft. Worth, people around the city hate Dallas. I never heard anything bad about Houston.

Texan_Bill
01-15-2008, 04:03 PM
I really liked Coach Landry as well. However, in the last few years of his career, he wasn't that effective as a winning coach. Nice, yes, effective, questionable. It appeared at the time that Jerry Jones fired Coach Landry in a rather cavalier way, but we don't know what went on behind the scenes about him leaving the team and how. We don't know what kind of offer Jerry may have made and how Coach Landry may have responded. 29 years is a long time on the job, and sometimes people don't like the proposed changes as they are presented.

As far as hearing guys at work bashing the Texans, by the same token, guys at work bash the Cowboys, same story, just a different team name.

Another thing, I just recently saw a program on the NFL channel about how Tex Schramm handled the players during the 70's, and all I could think was he had a way of doing business that could make Bud Adams blush.


Firing a legend on basically the day you take over operations is just bad form,...... irrespective of the 'behind the scenes' stuff. We also know that Tex Schramm visited Landry at his vaction home near Austin to inform him that he was in fact fired... Again, bad form.

swisher
01-15-2008, 04:07 PM
Why would I root for a team from southern Oklahoma?

ATX
01-15-2008, 04:11 PM
My point is, Houston is percieved as not having an identity or any culture, but my argument is that it does. San Jacinto (history) alone speaks volumes in my book. Add in NASA(technology) and the energy industry and one of few cities that have 4 professional performing arts companies: opera (Houston Grand Opera), ballet (Houston Ballet), music (Houston Symphony Orchestra), and theater (The Alley Theatre), add in TUTS and the Hobby Center, restaurants out the wazzooo!!!

Throw in easy access to beaches and the Gulf of Mexico and The Port of Houston.

Fox
01-15-2008, 04:13 PM
I grew up in Houston but moved to Dallas 2 years ago to continue the studies, and frankly Dallas is pretty cool, IMO. I wear my Texans hats/shirts all the time and very rarely (like once the past two years) hear anything negative about it from a Cowboys fan. Now it was a little different when I wore my AJ jersey to the Cowboys-Texans game here last year, but wearing an opposing teams jersey in the home team stadium is a different animal altogether so no hard feelings there. I like the sports-radio and gameday atmosphere more in Dallas than in Houston, because rooting for and talking about the Cowboys is like religion here. If the Texans got this kind of attention in Houston I'd be a very happy man. The Texans haven't built up that kind of mass devotion in Houston yet and it shows. I think Houston has a fantastic community though, and if the Texans can provide an exciting, winning atmosphere for a few seasons then the community response will be huge (remember what it was like when the Rockets were winning championships?)... I'm stoked for when that finally happens. Sure the games are always "sold out", but outside of the stadium you don't run into much Texans exposure.

However, after reading that you might get the impression that I'm a Cowboys fan too and I'm really not. I don't hate them, I don't really hate any team, but I do enjoy seeing them lose. For whatever reason I've always been a fan of the underdogs (which is ideal for being a Texans fan heh), and the most exciting games for me are when I see the huge favorite get shocked by a lesser known team. One of my favorite SB's of all time was watching the Patriots upset the heavily favored Rams, even though I'd bet money on the Rams to win the game. I didn't care, by the 2nd quarter I was pulling for the Patriots to do the unthinkable. The Cowboys haven't fielded exceptional teams lately until this year, but they're a team like the Lakers, or the Yankees (who I also enjoy seeing lose) who have a ton of hype and national exposure every year. You get tired of hearing Galloway and company on the radio here perpetuate their Romosexual man-love fest every freakin day, it's pretty entertaining to hear them back peddle now after they get rocked in the playoffs. Is it jealousy, or just being mean spirited? Nah, I think I just like to be surprised and see some parody.

HoustonFrog
01-15-2008, 04:15 PM
Frog...

To your first point (edited above), what makes that any different from most any other city?? I think anyone from just about any city in the country could say the same thing(s) about his or her city. Don't get me wrong. I still have family in that area and visit every so often and yes, I enjoy myself.

I agree here. People sometimes make un-informed comments based on 'blowing through' town and what not. I would hope for the sake of argument that those folks would not weigh in on this topic though.

My point is, Houston is percieved as not having an identity or any culture, but my argument is that it does. San Jacinto (history) alone speaks volumes in my book. Add in NASA(technology) and the energy industry and one of few cities that have 4 professional performing arts companies: opera (Houston Grand Opera), ballet (Houston Ballet), music (Houston Symphony Orchestra), and theater (The Alley Theatre), add in TUTS and the Hobby Center, restaurants out the wazzooo!!!

As I said, I love it here. My life consisted of 23 years Ft. Worth, 5 years Houston, 2 years Dallas, 1 Year Austin, 6 years Houston again. So I like this town better than Dallas.

My whole point is that I just think people here make too big of a deal with this "pissing match" with Dallas when it really doesn't exist on the other side for a majority. As I said I never went to Dallas much, even when I lived in Ft. Worth growing up and in college and when I went to Houston it was to randomly visit a frat bro or we had our Luau Party in Galveston. But from a sports standpoint I never was told to hate Houston teams and never did. In fact my Mom and Dad actually had my 3 older siblings here before moving back East..Maryland.. and then back to Ft. Worth. All I know is when I moved here in 93 for law school I realized the difference here with respect to Metroplex teams and how people here feel and I cheered for the Rockets to win 2 championships no problem despite that.

When I went to school up at TCU in Ft. Worth, people around the city hate Dallas. I never heard anything bad about Houston.

Didn't know you were a fellow Frog

Silver Oak
01-15-2008, 04:40 PM
I don't want to come across as an @ss but it is crazy how much people care about the Cowboys losing here despite the fact that Houston has never had a football team to call Super Bowl champs or even AFC champs.

"The Houston Oilers were the first AFL champions, 24-16."

" Julian Spence's interception sealed Houston's 10-3 win and second straight title."

the city of Houston has had our share of championships as well, but unlike some Cowboy fans, we don't have maturity issues that cause us to ask for "one for the thumb" when talking about championship rings.

http://www.houstonprofootball.com/log/log1.html

Texan_Bill
01-15-2008, 04:43 PM
As I said, I love it here. My life consisted of 23 years Ft. Worth, 5 years Houston, 2 years Dallas, 1 Year Austin, 6 years Houston again. So I like this town better than Dallas.

My whole point is that I just think people here make too big of a deal with this "pissing match" with Dallas when it really doesn't exist on the other side for a majority. As I said I never went to Dallas much, even when I lived in Ft. Worth growing up and in college and when I went to Houston it was to randomly visit a frat bro or we had our Luau Party in Galveston. But from a sports standpoint I never was told to hate Houston teams and never did. In fact my Mom and Dad actually had my 3 older siblings here before moving back East..Maryland.. and then back to Ft. Worth. All I know is when I moved here in 93 for law school I realized the difference here with respect to Metroplex teams and how people here feel and I cheered for the Rockets to win 2 championships no problem despite that.



Didn't know you were a fellow Frog


For whatever I reason, and I am sure many Forth Worth residents appreciate it, I could always separate Fort Worth from Dallas. Two different towns - completely....


And yes... 84 is freakin' Frog!!! BOOOOOO!

HoustonFrog
01-15-2008, 04:45 PM
"The Houston Oilers were the first AFL champions, 24-16."

" Julian Spence's interception sealed Houston's 10-3 win and second straight title."

the city of Houston has had our share of championships as well, but unlike some Cowboy fans, we don't have maturity issues that cause us to ask for "one for the thumb" when talking about championship rings.

http://www.houstonprofootball.com/log/log1.html

HMMM, not sure if that counts:)

For whatever I reason, and I am sure many Forth Worth residents appreciate it, I could always separate Fort Worth from Dallas. Two different towns - completely....


And yes... 84 is freakin' Frog!!! BOOOOOO!

I REALLY, REALLY appreciate it. When I first moved down here I would have so many people ask.."so what did you used to do for fun in Dallas?" "Well I didn't live in Dallas,..Ft. Worth." "Yeahm is the rest of your family in Dallas too?"...(slap head)

Texan_Bill
01-15-2008, 04:51 PM
I don't want to come across as an @ss but it is crazy how much people care about the Cowboys losing here despite the fact that Houston has never had a football team to call Super Bowl champs or even AFC champs.

"The Houston Oilers were the first AFL champions, 24-16."

" Julian Spence's interception sealed Houston's 10-3 win and second straight title."

the city of Houston has had our share of championships as well, but unlike some Cowboy fans, we don't have maturity issues that cause us to ask for "one for the thumb" when talking about championship rings.

http://www.houstonprofootball.com/log/log1.html

HMMM, not sure if that counts:)




See, I hate the Mavs equally, so why limit it to just football?!? :)

BeerTastesLikeVictory
01-15-2008, 04:55 PM
When I went to school up at TCU in Ft. Worth, people around the city hate Dallas. I never heard anything bad about Houston.

Here's the Stereotype:

Dallas
http://ana.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/08/03/tea_partay_arrival_2.jpg


Ft. Worth
http://www.centerwest.org/projects/past/listening/images/pic_cowboy.jpg

Texan_Bill
01-15-2008, 05:00 PM
Houstonian?????

http://www.oceanstaroec.com/template/adair.gif

HoustonFrog
01-15-2008, 05:11 PM
See, I hate the Mavs equally, so why limit it to just football?!? :)

You know I am a true fan of my roots when I cheered for them through the horrible years...the Rangers are still having those. I tell you what. I have cheered the Rangers on since a kid when they had the light blue unis. They were talking about how they needed pitching back then in the late 70s. They always have a Jenkins or a Ryan but that was it. 30 years later and they still have no pitching and always sign a bunch of long ballers. Its uncanny how its been the same.

Texan_Bill
01-15-2008, 05:15 PM
You know I am a true fan of my roots when I cheered for them through the horrible years...the Rangers are still having those. I tell you what. I have cheered the Rangers on since a kid when they had the light blue unis. They were talking about how they needed pitching back then in the late 70s. They always have a Jenkins or a Ryan but that was it. 30 years later and they still have no pitching and always sign a bunch of long ballers. Its uncanny how its been the same.

Ya know... I could never really hate the Rangers. Maybe because they play in Arlington, maybe because they don't fly the 'Dallas' banner, or maybe because in someway I always felt sorry for them. :)

CoastalTexan
01-15-2008, 06:10 PM
This might sound a little like ThreetoedPete but oh well.

My Uncle is a Rancher and he was telling me a story about his Bulls, it goes like this.

On his Ranch they two bulls a one young and an one old past his prime, they had it pretty good sharing the cows and such. Then one day he bought a new huge bull in his prime. While he was unloading it, it was kicking, snorting, causing a big fuss, and he already has his eye on those cows . The young and old bull are staring at him, knowing their time is done with the cows.

Then all of a sudden the young bull starts pawing the ground, snorting, and acting like he's going to charge. The older bull looks over at him and says what are you doin boy, you know he could kill you. The younger bull replies, I just want him to know I'm a bull.

I think Texan fans hate on the Cowboys more is so people know we still exist, we haven't exactly been setting the league on fire. Up here in SA/Austin Corridor we have a small fanbase compared to the cowboys.

Showtime100
01-15-2008, 06:12 PM
Thanks to all of ya'll who responded. It was a serious question and I am surprised to see so much feedback that the hate is mostly a one way thing.

I had thought it interesting that the Rangers/Astros did not seem to have any of the animosity.

I grew up in Va and the Redskins were my first love, so this explains my feelings toward Dallas. I think the whole America's Team thing backfired on them and caused resentment around the country.

Landry was a class act and while he was there garnered respect ,even among fans that hated the team. Once Jerry bought the team and Landry left, so did any respect - at least on my part.

I mean nothing negative towards you when I say that jumped off the page at me. Can I assume you don't follow baseball?? Again, I mean no disrespect. Astros and Ranger fans go at it on daily basis. You could call it the Cowboy-Texan animosity in reverse. They stop at nothing to point out the Astros faults when all they have to talk about is one, that's a "1," the loneliest number, playoff win to their name. If memory serves, their playoff record is 1-9. That's not much considering their longevity.

I love the Dallas area and have great times when I'm there, but in the sports world I "sports hate" everything Dallas with the Stars as the exception. (Gotta love the only Texas rep in the NHL) That would change in a heartbeat if Houston got an NHL team, but that won't happen. It's a natural rivalry I like and will take my lumps when one-upped by a Dallas team, the alternative is unimaginable.

MadBurgerMaker
01-15-2008, 06:40 PM
I guess I'm one of the few who really catches a lot of...crap...for wearing Texans stuff, etc.

I would also tend to be immediately ridiculed for being a Cowboys fan whenever someone found out I was from Texas when I was in the Navy until I said otherwise (although interestingly enough, the only two people on the ship who were from Texas were Texans fans...I didn't know this until they showed that 2003 Jets game on AFN and there was all sorts of yelling from two seperate places when JJ Moses (?) ran that kickoff back, then objects thrown when it didn't work out :( ).

Cowboys hate most definitely isn't confined to Texans fans. It's all over the place, and I certainly wouldn't go so far as to call it some sort of "inferiority complex" or anything like that.

It's strange being a sports fan in San Antonio, I guess, especially when you don't cheer for the Cowboys. I like the Rangers, Stars, Texans, and Spurs (I also rather enjoyed the fact that the Dynamo have now won two in a row, but I don't really follow them, nor do I have any hate for the team in Dallas). The Cowboys, Rockets, and Mavericks......heh. I don't mind the Astros at all though, since I have great memories of going to their games in the Astrodome.

GlassHalfFull
01-15-2008, 06:56 PM
I mean nothing negative towards you when I say that jumped off the page at me. Can I assume you don't follow baseball?? Again, I mean no disrespect. Astros and Ranger fans go at it on daily basis. You could call it the Cowboy-Texan animosity in reverse. They stop at nothing to point out the Astros faults when all they have to talk about is one, that's a "1," the loneliest number, playoff win to their name. If memory serves, their playoff record is 1-9. That's not much considering their longevity.

I love the Dallas area and have great times when I'm there, but in the sports world I "sports hate" everything Dallas with the Stars as the exception. (Gotta love the only Texas rep in the NHL) That would change in a heartbeat if Houston got an NHL team, but that won't happen. It's a natural rivalry I like and will take my lumps when one-upped by a Dallas team, the alternative is unimaginable.

No problem, I actually do follow baseball. I don't see a lot of hate here in Houston towards the Rangers. Again, this is my perspective. I wonder if it is the situation in reverse, like you mentioned. I just checked with my very opinionated son, and he has no real feelings towards the Rangers. So do the Rangers hate us more than we hate them?

Showtime100
01-15-2008, 07:12 PM
No problem, I actually do follow baseball. I don't see a lot of hate here in Houston towards the Rangers. Again, this is my perspective. I wonder if it is the situation in reverse, like you mentioned. I just checked with my very opinionated son, and he has no real feelings towards the Rangers. So do the Rangers hate us more than we hate them?

It seems that way to me. I might just have seem it more for whatever reason. I check their board when need be for information on something that is going down and see Astro-bashing quite a bit and almost out of the blue-type bashing. I read but never fire back, it's their board, let them say what they want.

When all is said and done I hope it's just me. I would love to see an all Texas World Series that ended up all Astros.

HoustonFrog
01-15-2008, 07:29 PM
It seems that way to me. I might just have seem it more for whatever reason. I check their board when need be for information on something that is going down and see Astro-bashing quite a bit and almost out of the blue-type bashing. I read but never fire back, it's their board, let them say what they want.

When all is said and done I hope it's just me. I would love to see an all Texas World Series that ended up all Astros.

See, again, I have never seen animosity on the baseball side and I've been living it for decades. Just never came up in any years in Ft. Worth and in fact I've heard alot of Astros support up there when I grew up and when I've gone back. Maybe in certain circles but I have never heard a peep. The Rangers have never been good enough since I have been a fan to talk about anything.

Tedc
01-15-2008, 08:54 PM
The Rangers have never been good enough since I have been a fan to talk about anything.


That is a little sad.

I followed the Oilers and Astros through some completely HORRIBLE seasons and I still had a lot to talk about. Each year brought hope and excitement.

I don't understand the thinking that a team has to be good for a fan to talk about or he will be dissed.

HoustonFrog
01-15-2008, 10:12 PM
That is a little sad.

I followed the Oilers and Astros through some completely HORRIBLE seasons and I still had a lot to talk about. Each year brought hope and excitement.

I don't understand the thinking that a team has to be good for a fan to talk about or he will be dissed.

You missed my point. I've been a true blue fan of the Rangers since I was a kid. My point was that as a Ranger fan it isn't prudent for me to talk trash to Astros fans...which I am one of too. That is what the conversation revolved around...reread...teams going at it and fans talking trash to each other. Considering this is #2 random attack on me I'm thinking Ted has a problem with me for no apparent reason.

Why do Dallas fans always try to spin things this way?


Yankees fans are Yankee fans; Met fans are Met Fans. White Sox fans hate the Red Sox (and Visa Versa) and they are in the same city!!



Do Raider fans cheer for the 49ers?...........the Chargers??

Do Cleveland Brown fans also love the Bengals???

It doesn't happen that way but the Cowboy fans want to be fans of both the Cowboys and the Texans (just in case) and can't figure out why we hate them.

No, I can't figure out why you hate them when many of us are just good fans who grew up there...fan since the 70s.. and who never had a problem with Houston. Thus this thread. If anger makes you feel better, go for it. I've been here a long time and above this stuff. I've never come here and been disrespectful and have many strong bonds here so whatever floats your boat Ted. No skin off my back. The hate is a one way street in something that isn't even a rivalry to those who grew up on the other side of it. I don't need a backup team, I just like the team and love being on this board.

AnthonyE
01-15-2008, 10:21 PM
When I went to the last game up in Dallas, I talked to a bunch of Cowboy fans sitting around me who were somewhat nice. They said that they always cheer for the Texans because they will cheer for the teams that represent our state. They had no idea that Texans fans have a hatred towards the Cowboys and couldn't comprehend why we weren't cheering for them as well (when not playing each other).

By the end of the 1st quarter, I consistantly heard Cowboy fans at the game saying: "Geez, these Texans fans are just as bad if not worse than the Eagles fans that come here. What's their deal? And what does the 19-10 mean?"

Then a Texans fan would respond: "19-10 baby! We whooped your butt in 2002!!".
Of course then rolled back the obvious statement from the Cowboy fans: "5 superbowl rings, talk to me then".

Honestly, everyone needs to move on from the 19-10 game. Its gone. It was a fantastic day and a hell of a start to our franchise, but nobody outside of Houston still cares about that game.

28-16, baby!!!

Leahmic223
01-15-2008, 10:58 PM
For me its just like this...

I am a fan of the Texans...thats it.

I don't have a 'NFC' team, I don't have a 2nd team. I don't really Hate the Cowboys, I hate the Titans...I hate the Titans more than any other team in the NFL...then maybe its the Jags after them....then the Colts.
Other than that all the other teams I don't care too much for.

As for the Cowboys losing this past weekend...that was just funny. You know T.O getting his popcorn ready, ole Jerry buying tickets to Green Bay...then losing to their divisional rivals...then T.O crying... You look around other fanbases and the response was the same to the loss.

IMO it seems to me that in general, if your not a cowboy fan you just don't like them. I haven't met many fans of the other 31 teams that ever root for the Cowboys besides their team, and I wouldn't expect it to be different.

Thats just them. They are the Lakers and Yankees of the NFL, hate em or love em. I think Houston fans hate on the Cowboys because they are the Cowboys and every other fanbase dislikes their team, and being the other Team in the state. NY Giants dont say 'Oh I root for the Jets as my AFC team.' same with Philly and Pitt.

But yeah, I don't root for the Cowboys because I root for one team. I don't have a 'NFC' team I root for. Texans only and the only way i'll be rooting for the Cowboys is when they play the other AFC South teams.

WesmanTexanfan
01-15-2008, 10:58 PM
It's more fun to question their Texanity. Most people in Houston know who their city was named after and most people in Austin know who their city is named after, but ask someone from Dallas who their city was named after and you'll get the strangest looks.

ya most dallas kids i know are just ignorant and arrogant, one or the other my not be so bad but its both

WesmanTexanfan
01-15-2008, 11:05 PM
You missed my point. I've been a true blue fan of the Rangers since I was a kid. My point was that as a Ranger fan it isn't prudent for me to talk trash to Astros fans...which I am one of too. That is what the conversation revolved around...reread...teams going at it and fans talking trash to each other. Considering this is #2 random attack on me I'm thinking Ted has a problem with me for no apparent reason.



No, I can't figure out why you hate them when many of us are just good fans who grew up there...fan since the 70s.. and who never had a problem with Houston. Thus this thread. If anger makes you feel better, go for it. I've been here a long time and above this stuff. I've never come here and been disrespectful and have many strong bonds here so whatever floats your boat Ted. No skin off my back. The hate is a one way street in something that isn't even a rivalry to those who grew up on the other side of it. I don't need a backup team, I just like the team and love being on this board.

sorry to say bro but most of your dallas buds arnt as open minded as you or as big of fans..... the ones i know as the general cowboy population dont know jack about their own team and just throw out mean things about me, or my team because they got NO FACTS of their own except for maybe the years they won rings and 3 players on those teams.... thats it.... i usually get to the point where i ignore them, and humor them when they want to talk "football" i find my self sedating reality to talk sports with most D town fans....

for the record i hate the mavs too, and im sure if the rangers didnt hate themselves, i would

Tedc
01-16-2008, 05:49 AM
Considering this is #2 random attack on me I'm thinking Ted has a problem with me for no apparent reason.




Let me make this clear. I do not have anything personal against you. I posted two responses about your concept that because Dallas and Houston are in the same state, they should love eachother.

We did not ALL grow up in Fort Worth. Some of us grew up in Houston and had to endure the seventies and eighties with the crap that the Dallas fans forced down our throats.

I was trying to explain that many teams hate eachother..it starts in high school, moves to colllege, and peaks at the pro level. We can't turn it off for you just because you have been here a while and post on this Texans board. I know the hatred bothers you but it REALLY is not directed towards you...it is directed towards the Cowboys.

I hate the Titans with the same intensity and I have gone there several times to cheer the Texans on. I love the Titans fans, hate the team, owner (he should die soon, right?), the quaaaaartt-teeeeerrrrr-back, the stadium, the owner's road-kill hair, and such.

This board was built on the hatred the Titans and Cowboys produce in us as fans. Since the inception of this board we had a Forum set up just for that hatred but it was changed when we took everyone else on.

I respect you Frog, as a poster and I respect many of your posts. I do not have to agree with all of them.

HoustonFrog
01-16-2008, 08:00 AM
sorry to say bro but most of your dallas buds arnt as open minded as you or as big of fans..... the ones i know as the general cowboy population dont know jack about their own team and just throw out mean things about me, or my team because they got NO FACTS of their own except for maybe the years they won rings and 3 players on those teams.... thats it.... i usually get to the point where i ignore them, and humor them when they want to talk "football" i find my self sedating reality to talk sports with most D town fans....

for the record i hate the mavs too, and im sure if the rangers didnt hate themselves, i would

As I said, sorry about the bad fans but a majority I know are football crazy and know all their favorite players starting with the 70s. I'm not a fan of those who jumped on in the 90s.

Let me make this clear. I do not have anything personal against you. I posted two responses about your concept that because Dallas and Houston are in the same state, they should love eachother.

We did not ALL grow up in Fort Worth. Some of us grew up in Houston and had to endure the seventies and eighties with the crap that the Dallas fans forced down our throats.

I was trying to explain that many teams hate eachother..it starts in high school, moves to colllege, and peaks at the pro level. We can't turn it off for you just because you have been here a while and post on this Texans board. I know the hatred bothers you but it REALLY is not directed towards you...it is directed towards the Cowboys.

I hate the Titans with the same intensity and I have gone there several times to cheer the Texans on. I love the Titans fans, hate the team, owner (he should die soon, right?), the quaaaaartt-teeeeerrrrr-back, the stadium, the owner's road-kill hair, and such.

This board was built on the hatred the Titans and Cowboys produce in us as fans. Since the inception of this board we had a Forum set up just for that hatred but it was changed when we took everyone else on.

I respect you Frog, as a poster and I respect many of your posts. I do not have to agree with all of them.

Well Said. I always respected your stuff too I just was making sure I didn't overstep my bounds somewhere where I might have missed it.

I get the hatred if that is what you know...as in Cowboy fans that were obnoxious. I don't expect fans of other teams to hold hands and take in the Cowboys. I hate our division rivals. I was just explaining things from my side of the fence (history of fandom and how it brought me here) and how I was really surprised at the radio the other day. I knew there would be some happiness over the demise but 610 celebrated more than I ever heard them celebrate a Texans win or anything like that. I think at that level it becomes more pathetic than something out of years of abuse by negative fans. That is when I have a problem because their seems to be more joy in a loss of an "enemy" than in what you might have here as fans. That's where I agree with what Vinny has said in here. Of course I'm not going to group all people like that. My bad if I did. I just wanted to explain how from my 30 years of being around it has always seemed one-sided.

As we have seen there are all levels of fans and how they act in regards to this stuff depending on the environment they have been around. I respect that. Thanks for taking the time.

bah007
01-16-2008, 08:40 AM
To end this discussion, I am a huge fan of both the Texans & the Cowboys.

The typical response from another Cowboys fan when they find out I also root for the Texans:

"Oh. Are they just your AFC team?"


The typical response from another Texans fan when they find out I also root for the Cowboys:

"You like the CowGIRLS?!!! Bandwagon Fan! Bandwagon Fan! You're not a REAL Texans fan!"




Seriously.

Double Barrel
01-16-2008, 09:27 AM
The typical response from another Texans fan when they find out I also root for the Cowboys:

"You like the CowGIRLS?!!! Bandwagon Fan! Bandwagon Fan! You're not a REAL Texans fan!"

And this is a problem because.... :um:

bah007
01-16-2008, 09:32 AM
And this is a problem because.... :um:

LOL. It's not a problem honestly.

I love two teams. I could really care less how other fans judge my "fanhood".

Just adding my two cents to the conversation.

Mr. White
01-16-2008, 09:39 AM
I'll weigh in here.

The Cowboys are my NFC rooting interest. I never got the memo that Houston fans were supposed to hate all things Dallas. I remember watching them almost every week because the Oilers were always blacked out...especially when Herschel Walker was there.

However, since Jerry Jones took over, I can't help but pile on them every now and then. It's just too damn easy.

Scores of Cowboys fans have still not forgiven Jerry Jones for running Landry the way he did in 1988. A lot of us that remember that incident regard Jerry Jones as somewhat of a carpetbagger. We grew to like Jimmy Johnson even though he often came off like a horse's ass back then in interviews.

Then when Jerry ran Jimmy off for a long line of yes-men, I saw the writing on the wall. As long as Jerry's alive, the Cowboys won't win another Super Bowl. He doesn't have the football mind to get one. His ego won't let him step aside for a football mind.

Can't argue Jerry's results, but the guy never has made it easy to like him.

Mr. White
01-16-2008, 09:45 AM
Almost forgot my point. This is JMO from living in both Houston and Dallas.

Cowboys fans in Dallas don't hate the Texans. Cowboys fans in Houston are the ones that seem to do all the trolling in blogs and on the radio.

As soon as the Texans make the playoffs, then they'll be saying they were Texans fans all along.

TEXANS84
01-16-2008, 09:47 AM
Prime example:

Texas and Texas A&M

There's about a 100 years of not liking each other.

Hervoyel
01-16-2008, 09:52 AM
I'm still trying to figure out why Texans fans (and previously Oiler fans) obsess so much over the Cowboys. I'm not overly fond of them and I make a little fun of them from time to time but jeez, it's like some Texans fans base their entire identity on their dislike for the Cowboys and Jerry Jones. To me that seems like weakness, obsession, and jealousy. I have no doubt that most Dallas fans perceive it that way.

You know the old line about acting like you've been there before? It's not entirely the same thing but it comes to mind when I see so much Cowboys talk among the Texans faithful. Many Texans fans could apply that to their behavior towards the Cowboys (and to some extent the Titans). Talking about them all the time and pouncing on everything that happens up there just makes you look obsessed with keeping up with them. Trust me, nobody in Dallas has ever wasted their time worrying about the Houston Oilers/Texans.

It's just another one sided rivalry where the team that's had all the success barely knows it's on and the team that's always come up short thinks it's the most important part of the season. 19-10 was nothing. NOTHING. Gloating about it 6 years later is kind of sad really.

HoustonFrog
01-16-2008, 09:56 AM
Almost forgot my point. This is JMO from living in both Houston and Dallas.

Cowboys fans in Dallas don't hate the Texans. Cowboys fans in Houston are the ones that seem to do all the trolling in blogs and on the radio.
As soon as the Texans make the playoffs, then they'll be saying they were Texans fans all along.

Again, some of us are transplants, so not always true.

Also, as to your point above regarding Jerry Jones. His mid to late 90s days were not good but he learned a lesson and then hired Parcells and gave him control. He grabbed Garrett and he is becoming alot more astute in his hirings. Despite what people say the guy started getting sponsorships from Visa and Pepsi when other owners wouldn't and said he was trouble. They then saw the money and followed suit. He changed the NFL in this way. Growing up a Cowboy guy I loved Landry as much as the next person but many of us at the time when he took over were ready for a change as the team was stale and relying on outdated principles. He didn't do it the right way but he did the right thing. There are about 95% of other fans out there that would kill for a JJ owner that will spend money and try ato make his team a winner.

I'm still trying to figure out why Texans fans (and previously Oiler fans) obsess so much over the Cowboys. I'm not overly fond of them and I make a little fun of them from time to time but jeez, it's like some Texans fans base their entire identity on their dislike for the Cowboys and Jerry Jones. To me that seems like weakness, obsession, and jealousy. I have no doubt that most Dallas fans perceive it that way.

You know the old line about acting like you've been there before? It's not entirely the same thing but it comes to mind when I see so much Cowboys talk among the Texans faithful. Many Texans fans could apply that to their behavior towards the Cowboys (and to some extent the Titans). Talking about them all the time and pouncing on everything that happens up there just makes you look obsessed with keeping up with them. Trust me, nobody in Dallas has ever wasted their time worrying about the Houston Oilers/Texans.

It's just another one sided rivalry where the team that's had all the success barely knows it's on and the team that's always come up short thinks it's the most important part of the season. 19-10 was nothing. NOTHING. Gloating about it 6 years later is kind of sad really.

First paragraph has been my point despite the agreements and friendly exchange in this thread. I understand Ted and TB but not alot more about what I heard on the radio the other day. I won't rehash since I already covered it.

The 19-10 thing is dumb because the Cowboys have since killed the Texans in a regular season game. Its like the preseason game this year. People were in a frenzy about the preseason win. I heard a guy after about 6-7 games this season call one of the stations and lament how the Cowboys were so good even though the Texans had taken them behind the woodshed. The host kindly reminded him it was preseason. I don't get it.

GlassHalfFull
01-16-2008, 09:56 AM
Almost forgot my point. This is JMO from living in both Houston and Dallas.

Cowboys fans in Dallas don't hate the Texans. Cowboys fans in Houston are the ones that seem to do all the trolling in blogs and on the radio.

As soon as the Texans make the playoffs, then they'll be saying they were Texans fans all along.

Ding Ding, we have a winner. Actually, this makes a lot of sense to me.

I should have realized how much this question would stir things up. Thanks to all who have given their input. I hope hate is really too strong a word for the feelings inspired by football. At the end of the day, we are all the same in that we care about the game and our favorite teams.

HOU-TEX
01-16-2008, 10:00 AM
Almost forgot my point. This is JMO from living in both Houston and Dallas.

Cowboys fans in Dallas don't hate the Texans. Cowboys fans in Houston are the ones that seem to do all the trolling in blogs and on the radio.

As soon as the Texans make the playoffs, then they'll be saying they were Texans fans all along.

I couldn't agree more.

I don't have a problem with Dallas (the city), other than their ladie soccer teams whip my daughter's team's asses about 70% of the time. Nothing like spending a few hundred hard earned for the weekend just to see an ass whoopin. Plus the fact.......it's freakin soccer!:gun:

I was just brought up disliking the Cowboys, that's all. Being labeled America's team didn't help matters, because they aren't. Then you've got the crackhead team of the 90's. Then you've got the biggest asshat for an owner to top things off.

:texflag:

StarStruck
01-16-2008, 10:02 AM
I'm often reminded of a significant other that didn't stay significant very long. It was always what about me, what about me, if you have other friends, you won't have time for me, I can't stand fill in the blank, etc. etc. etc. There wasn't enough reassuring that could improve the damaged self image, so, it gets to a point of just having to move on.

V Man
01-16-2008, 10:08 AM
I guess I'm one of the few who really catches a lot of...crap...for wearing Texans stuff, etc.

I would also tend to be immediately ridiculed for being a Cowboys fan whenever someone found out I was from Texas when I was in the Navy until I said otherwise (although interestingly enough, the only two people on the ship who were from Texas were Texans fans...I didn't know this until they showed that 2003 Jets game on AFN and there was all sorts of yelling from two seperate places when JJ Moses (?) ran that kickoff back, then objects thrown when it didn't work out :( ).

Cowboys hate most definitely isn't confined to Texans fans. It's all over the place, and I certainly wouldn't go so far as to call it some sort of "inferiority complex" or anything like that.

It's strange being a sports fan in San Antonio, I guess, especially when you don't cheer for the Cowboys. I like the Rangers, Stars, Texans, and Spurs (I also rather enjoyed the fact that the Dynamo have now won two in a row, but I don't really follow them, nor do I have any hate for the team in Dallas). The Cowboys, Rockets, and Mavericks......heh. I don't mind the Astros at all though, since I have great memories of going to their games in the Astrodome.

AMEN BROTHER

I lost a lot of respect for the Cowboys when Jones took over, but the hatred really didn't fester til I moved back to SA. Most Cowboy fans from Dallas are pretty cool, but the SA Cowboy fans are the worst, they openly mock the Texans. In fact the local radio and TV sports caster do it on a regular basis.

Segment 1- talk about the Cowboys
Segment 2- make fun of the Texans lose (if they win, they don't get mentioned)

In fact this week on a radio show, they were crying over the playoff lose, and the main host said, at least we are not the Texans, where all you have to celebrate is being mediocre. Hey Texans how do you like watching Vince Young in the playoffs.

HoustonFrog
01-16-2008, 10:14 AM
I couldn't agree more.

I don't have a problem with Dallas (the city), other than their ladie soccer teams whip my daughter's team's asses about 70% of the time. Nothing like spending a few hundred hard earned for the weekend just to see an ass whoopin. Plus the fact.......it's freakin soccer!:gun:

I was just brought up disliking the Cowboys, that's all. Being labeled America's team didn't help matters, because they aren't. Then you've got the crackhead team of the 90's. Then you've got the biggest asshat for an owner to top things off.
:texflag:

They didn't label themselves America's Team, NFL films did. If you look at sellouts around the nation when the Cowboys play and the fans that show up, the label may fit more than you think. The crackhead thing is so passe Hou-Tex..many teams have had the same problems..a small amount of guys, they just weren't winning SBs. And the owner has done more for the league than anyone here cares to know but they don't like him personally so this is the result.:gun:

Texan_Bill
01-16-2008, 10:17 AM
I couldn't agree more.
Then you've got the crackhead team of the 90's.

:texflag:

:um: I thought Hollywood Henderson played in the 70's?!?

HoustonFrog
01-16-2008, 10:22 AM
:um: I thought Hollywood Henderson played in the 70's?!?

See if I was one of the bad fans I would start talking about Oiler guys giving things to other men while their car went off a bridge or things of that nature but I won't do it.:cool: That's the difference to many.:) I got your backhanded words though..lol

HOU-TEX
01-16-2008, 10:25 AM
They didn't label themselves America's Team, NFL films did. If you look at sellouts around the nation when the Cowboys play and the fans that show up, the label may fit more than you think. The crackhead thing is so passes Hou-Tex..many teams have had the same problems..a small amount of guys, they just weren't winning SBs. And the owner has done more for the league than anyone here cares to know but they don't like him personally so this is the result.:gun:

I understand all of what you're saying Frog. Remember, I was brought up disliking the Cowboys. You know "haters" always find ways of spinning flaws. :shades:

Honestly, like someone else mentioned a while back, the Cowboys are becoming less significant to me as years go by. The titans have surpassed the cowboys in the hatred department.

Texan_Bill
01-16-2008, 10:28 AM
See if I was one of the bad fans I would start talking about Oiler guys giving things to other men while their car went off a bridge or things of that nature but I won't do it.:cool: That's the difference to many.:) I got your backhanded words though..lol

Jeff Alm's situation was ALL rumor / innuendo....

Hollywood Henderson doing cocaine on the sidelines during a SB through an inhaler was admitted to, by Henderson.


:) :)

HoustonFrog
01-16-2008, 10:34 AM
Jeff Alm's situation was ALL rumor / innuendo....

Hollywood Henderson doing cocaine on the sidelines during a SB through an inhaler was admitted to, by Henderson.

I know, I was just throwing it out there:thinking:

I understand all of what you're saying Frog. Remember, I was brought up disliking the Cowboys. You know "haters" always find ways of spinning flaws. :shades:

Honestly, like someone else mentioned a while back, the Cowboys are becoming less significant to me as years go by. The titans have surpassed the cowboys in the hatred department.

I hear ya on the hatred. As I said in another post, when I started knowing what football was in the mid to late 70s it was all Cowboys and Steelers. I hated the Steelers along with the Redskins and Philly. This was all followed by a massive hatred for the 49ers and more respect for the Steelers. I always will hate the Skins, Philly and the Giants...the Cards never were relevant except when they used to trot out Neil Lomax and Roy Green and one year with Jake. Now it is mostly those teams and the others have faded.

Texan_Bill
01-16-2008, 10:35 AM
I know, I was just throwing it out there:thinking:

I know, I got a good chuckle from it... :)

HOU-TEX
01-16-2008, 10:37 AM
I know, I was just throwing it out there:thinking:

I'd forgotten about that, but thanks for bringing the vision back. :elle: :)

HoustonFrog
01-16-2008, 10:50 AM
I'd forgotten about that, but thanks for bringing the vision back. :elle: :)

I think Givens swung that way too..:heart: ..not that there is anything wrong with that.

Just playing folks..nothing here to see.

Texan_Bill
01-16-2008, 10:52 AM
I think Givens swung that way too..:heart: ..not that there is anything wrong with that.

Just playing folks..nothing here to see.

There were rumors about Givens, but rest assured, I saw him in the old Lipstick on 59 - plenty of times!!!!

StarStruck
01-16-2008, 10:55 AM
Jeff Alm's situation was ALL rumor / innuendo....

Hollywood Henderson doing cocaine on the sidelines during a SB through an inhaler was admitted to, by Henderson.


:) :)
1. No it wasn't. Perhaps innuendo would have lost steam if folk from the police department and coroner's office had kept their mouths shut.

2. Henderson also admitted to doing cocaine in the parking lot of the Astrodome.

HOU-TEX
01-16-2008, 10:58 AM
I think Givens swung that way too..:heart: ..not that there is anything wrong with that.

Just playing folks..nothing here to see.

There were rumors about Givens, but rest assured, I saw him in the old Lipstick on 59 - plenty of times!!!!

His voice was a little *ahem* feminine......not that there's anything wrong with that either.

HOU-TEX
01-16-2008, 11:00 AM
1. No it wasn't. Perhaps innuendo would have lost steam if folk from the police department and coroner's office had kept their mouths shut.

2. Henderson also admitted to doing cocaine in the parking lot of the Astrodome.

Apparently Alm should've kept his shut too......:worm:

HoustonFrog
01-16-2008, 11:06 AM
There were rumors about Givens, but rest assured, I saw him in the old Lipstick on 59 - plenty of times!!!!

There was some club place off of Richmond..I think.. that was popular when I moved here..it changed names 50 times and was by the movie theater off of Augusta I think...anyways, I used to see Haywood Jeffries there. with all kinds of ladies.

Mr. White
01-16-2008, 11:07 AM
Again, some of us are transplants, so not always true.

I guess I'm really trying to say when you see or hear trolling by Cowboys fans in Houston, said fan is almost always trolling from the Houston area. I think most Cowboys fans in Dallas would casually root for the Texans if they made the playoffs.

Kinda the same way that I casually root for the Cowboys. I don't live and die with them each week like I did with the Oilers and do now with the Texans.

Also, as to your point above regarding Jerry Jones. His mid to late 90s days were not good but he learned a lesson and then hired Parcells and gave him control. He grabbed Garrett and he is becoming alot more astute in his hirings. Despite what people say the guy started getting sponsorships from Visa and Pepsi when other owners wouldn't and said he was trouble. They then saw the money and followed suit. He changed the NFL in this way. Growing up a Cowboy guy I loved Landry as much as the next person but many of us at the time when he took over were ready for a change as the team was stale and relying on outdated principles. He didn't do it the right way but he did the right thing. There are about 95% of other fans out there that would kill for a JJ owner that will spend money and try ato make his team a winner.

Jerry's a great business guy. Just not a good football guy. Until he proves that he'll let someone else call the shots, then they won't win a Super Bowl.

He talked a good game when he hired Parcells, but by the time that he brought in TO, it was clear that he was trying to make the football calls again.

I remember a quote that he made during the Super Bowl pregame to the effect that he thinks he could be the coach. It just so happened that was Jimmy's last game working for him.

For some reason, every time a football decision is made in that organization, I always wonder if it's "Coach Jones" making it. If Jason Garrett takes a job somewhere else, then it'll be because he's working for a guy that'll let him actually be the head coach.

For some reason, I can't help but think that the Pepsi commercial where he takes the Offensive Coordinator's headset away from him is pretty accurate.

HoustonFrog
01-16-2008, 11:21 AM
I guess I'm really trying to say when you see or hear trolling by Cowboys fans in Houston, said fan is almost always trolling from the Houston area. I think most Cowboys fans in Dallas would casually root for the Texans if they made the playoffs.

Kinda the same way that I casually root for the Cowboys. I don't live and die with them each week like I did with the Oilers and do now with the Texans.



Jerry's a great business guy. Just not a good football guy. Until he proves that he'll let someone else call the shots, then they won't win a Super Bowl.

He talked a good game when he hired Parcells, but by the time that he brought in TO, it was clear that he was trying to make the football calls again.

I remember a quote that he made during the Super Bowl pregame to the effect that he thinks he could be the coach. It just so happened that was Jimmy's last game working for him.

For some reason, every time a football decision is made in that organization, I always wonder if it's "Coach Jones" making it. If Jason Garrett takes a job somewhere else, then it'll be because he's working for a guy that'll let him actually be the head coach.
For some reason, I can't help but think that the Pepsi commercial where he takes the Offensive Coordinator's headset away from him is pretty accurate.

What I think has changed over the years though is the fact that Jones actually went after Garrett last year just to have him available. People thought he was crazy since they didn't have a head coach but it worked. That's pretty big. I think people like Aikman are always in his ear.

Mr. White
01-16-2008, 11:30 AM
What I think hads changed over the years though is the fact that Jones actually went after Garrett last year just to have him available. People thought he was crazy since they didn't have a head coach but it worked. That's pretty big. I think people like Aikman are always in his ear.

True, but Jerry's been hiring the assistants ever since Jimmy left. (He might have let Parcells have a little more control over the staff.) I think the Garrett hire was why Norv Turner didn't take the job. By all accounts, that was a done deal.

Not really here nor there, since Norv ended up taking a job as AJ Smith's yes-man.

HoustonFrog
01-16-2008, 11:35 AM
True, but Jerry's been hiring the assistants ever since Jimmy left. (He might have let Parcells have a little more control over the staff.) I think the Garrett hire was why Norv Turner didn't take the job. By all accounts, that was a done deal.

Not really here nor there, since Norv ended up taking a job as AJ Smith's yes-man.

I'm glad Norv didn't go to Dallas. I loved him as a coordinator during the good years but I question his decision making as a head coach. The Chargers are in a good spot, granted, but they started off bumpy. I just think that you can always see the dividends when he is a coordinator...like with the 49ers last year compared to this year.

Texan_Bill
01-16-2008, 02:10 PM
There was some club place off of Richmond..I think.. that was popular when I moved here..it changed names 50 times and was by the movie theater off of Augusta I think...anyways, I used to see Haywood Jeffries there. with all kinds of ladies.

The only ones I know in that area are:

Rick's - closed down
Caligula - now the Penthouse Club
The Body Bag, errrr the Body Shoppe - now the Riviera
Baby Dolls - now All-Stars
Centerfolds
The Men's Club
Treasures (which I'm pretty sure wasn't open then)....


PS.. :um: What were you doing there?!?! Where was the Misses???

Texan_Bill
01-16-2008, 02:14 PM
1. No it wasn't. Perhaps innuendo would have lost steam if folk from the police department and coroner's office had kept their mouths shut.

2. Henderson also admitted to doing cocaine in the parking lot of the Astrodome.

Star,

1. There have been people within both of those organizations that denied that as well... so its he said she said... The one thing we knew for sure about Alm was that he was hopped up on steroids and that carrying a shotgun in his trunk was the norm.

2. Never heard that about Henderson in the Astrodome parking lot. Is that why his tenure with the Oilers was very brief???

WesmanTexanfan
01-16-2008, 02:16 PM
To end this discussion, I am a huge fan of both the Texans & the Cowboys.

The typical response from another Cowboys fan when they find out I also root for the Texans:

"Oh. Are they just your AFC team?"


The typical response from another Texans fan when they find out I also root for the Cowboys:

"You like the CowGIRLS?!!! Bandwagon Fan! Bandwagon Fan! You're not a REAL Texans fan!"




Seriously.


i do hold judgement for after i find out what kind of cowboys fan they are, like houstonfrog up there has been holdin strong for years and seems reasonable to chat with..... i havnt been so lucky to find these cowboy fans in person, its almost the fans i know that make me hate the cowboys not the team itself.... i dont like jerry or mark cuban either so that doesnt help.... but i got respect for any fan who gives it..... and i do try to get along wih unresaonable people untill they make it personal which my "buddies" in waco did alot sooooo, i want theyre team to lose even more so that they are unhappy, selfish yes, but the truth, but like i say to my cowboy fan friends that are approachable i tell them "hey bro i hope that your team wins for you, but i cant go for em"

HoustonFrog
01-16-2008, 02:24 PM
The only ones I know in that area are:

Rick's - closed down
Caligula - now the Penthouse Club
The Body Bag, errrr the Body Shoppe - now the Riviera
Baby Dolls - now All-Stars
Centerfolds
The Men's Club
Treasures (which I'm pretty sure wasn't open then)....


PS.. :um: What were you doing there?!?! Where was the Misses???

LOL..it was a regular club type place..used to have Thursday happy hours or something. I forgot the name. This was in the early to mid 90s so way before the misses. She didn't roll along until 2005. It was an afterwork type place with some rico suave people. I hated those places but they had a good Thurdsay happy hour. This was back when I was a little more out of control.:splits:

Texan_Bill
01-16-2008, 02:30 PM
LOL..it was a regular club type place..used to have Thursday happy hours or something. I forgot the name. This was in the early to mid 90s so way before the misses. She didn't roll along until 2005. It was an afterwork type place with some rico suave people. I hated those places but they had a good Thurdsay happy hour. This was back when I was a little more out of control.:splits:

Sorry about that. I guess I read it wrong.

Was it the Ocean Club?!? Kinda near Yorktown and Westheimer? or the Roxy (or maybe R & R back then) near the Westheimer Alabama split???

A lot of Oilers that didn't hit the strip joints made it to places like those.

powerfuldragon
01-16-2008, 02:39 PM
because as long as they can't win in the playoffs, they're no better than us.

WesmanTexanfan
01-16-2008, 02:43 PM
because as long as they can't win in the playoffs, they're no better than us.

and i think being a diehard, never missed a game, love our team with all my heart fan of one team who has done HORRIBLE(record wise) untill this year gives us some cred to hate on the wishywashy cowboy wafflers, i wish they wouldnt like our team cuz now they can pick wich team to follow based on record, but we need all the texas support that we can get soooo....hmmm??

ill refer to my statement that the lord as do i i dont like luke warm people, hot or cold... pick one!

HoustonFrog
01-16-2008, 02:46 PM
Sorry about that. I guess I read it wrong.

Was it the Ocean Club?!? Kinda near Yorktown and Westheimer? or the Roxy (or maybe R & R back then) near the Westheimer Alabama split???

A lot of Oilers that didn't hit the strip joints made it to places like those.

Maybe..Roxy, no. I went to that on trash disco Sundays when they had $2 drinks. I'll remember it.

GuerillaBlack
01-16-2008, 04:21 PM
I had the pleasure of living in DFW for almost a year, and there is hatred towards Houston. Most of it doesn't have to do with sports, but instead how HOuston looks. "The air is so polluted down there". When Dallas-Fort Worth is just behind Houston on air pollution in the US. A lot of other things, too that I could write a book about.

Showtime100
01-16-2008, 04:59 PM
Somebody mentioned SA Cowboy fans. The Cowboy fans here in Austin are like that (obnoxious, arrogant) as well. I wear Texans sweatshirts, sweatpants....etc on a regular basis around here and Cowboy fans just can't let it go without making a smartass comment usually in short order. I really don't understand that. Fortunately they keep it passive/aggressive and I let that go, but I still don't get it. If it isn't Longhorn or Cowboy garb you are just out there trying to be different for the attention (ala LeBron wearing a Yank hat at the Cleveland/Yank playoff series last year), at least it would seem that way. It doesn't happen ALL the time, just more than I would have thought when the Texans came to be.

My wife and I were shopping at Target with our stocking-stuffer Gift Certificates recently and we both happened to be wearing Texan sweaters. An employee came up, laughed, and said, "We have other teams to choose from over there," rolled his eyes and started walking. I said, "Where's your boss??" I didn't want to see his boss but I did enjoy having my own personal employee showing me around at every step for the rest of my stay at Target that day.

Just a day in the life of an Austin, TEXAN. I 'sports hate' the Cowboys because I'm a Houston product...it's just that way. I don't hate individual fans. I just wish there were more Houstonfrogs here. I suspect if he were a Cowboy fan my sweater would only draw conversation and not sort form of posturing.

Beer and Metal
01-17-2008, 12:08 AM
When I lived in Arlington and worked in dallas I saw plenty of hatred for Houston. when I would talk to people and they found out I was from Houston they would be rude and say oh your from there and what crappy city Houston is.

This is why I dislike most things about Dallas. I have hated the cowboys ever since Tom Landry was fired.

DING! DING! DING!

I ran into this several times in the mid-90s. My girlfriend at the time was going through some job training in Dallas back then. I'd visit her, go out to a bar, shoot pool, etc. and have a good ol' time with everyone ther until I spoke the "H" word.

You woulda thought I said "I have lice" instead of "I'm from Houston" from some of the reactions I got.

Hookem Horns
01-17-2008, 12:25 AM
http://diy.despair.com/output/poster93122913.jpg

V Man
01-17-2008, 08:24 AM
Somebody mentioned SA Cowboy fans. The Cowboy fans here in Austin are like that (obnoxious, arrogant) as well. I wear Texans sweatshirts, sweatpants....etc on a regular basis around here and Cowboy fans just can't let it go without making a smartass comment usually in short order. I really don't understand that. Fortunately they keep it passive/aggressive and I let that go, but I still don't get it. If it isn't Longhorn or Cowboy garb you are just out there trying to be different for the attention (ala LeBron wearing a Yank hat at the Cleveland/Yank playoff series last year), at least it would seem that way. It doesn't happen ALL the time, just more than I would have thought when the Texans came to be.

My wife and I were shopping at Target with our stocking-stuffer Gift Certificates recently and we both happened to be wearing Texan sweaters. An employee came up, laughed, and said, "We have other teams to choose from over there," rolled his eyes and started walking. I said, "Where's your boss??" I didn't want to see his boss but I did enjoy having my own personal employee showing me around at every step for the rest of my stay at Target that day.

Just a day in the life of an Austin, TEXAN. I 'sports hate' the Cowboys because I'm a Houston product...it's just that way. I don't hate individual fans. I just wish there were more Houstonfrogs here. I suspect if he were a Cowboy fan my sweater would only draw conversation and not sort form of posturing.

I guess due to my size, most SA Cowboy fans look at me when I am wearing my gear, have a look on their face like they want to say something, but they aren't sure what I will do.

WWJD
01-18-2008, 09:22 AM
I think its mostly the other way around. I see a TON more Cowboy hatred and jealousy from our fan base than I see Cowboy hatred to ours. I know of a bunch of Cowboy fans who have taken the Texans as their "AFC team"...I don't see the flip side to that much. I follow the Cowboys closely to be honest....I'd love nothing better than to see an all Texas Super Bowl one day.

You took the words out of my mouth Vinny! TRUTH!

HoustonFrog
01-18-2008, 01:34 PM
I wopuld like to say that the NFL has quietly admitted that they screwed up the Romo intentional grounding call. Come on, I had to have one excuse.:). Just read it on SportsGuy

WesmanTexanfan
01-18-2008, 01:40 PM
i think i saw the word jealousy somewhere.... im insulted, id rather go 8-8 every year than support anything from that dallas place. they are the opposite of what a Texan is and im talkin about the state not the team. EVERY DALLAS person ive met came from a bubble, or a place where nothing exhisted outside of that bubble, and fear anything they dont understand, they dont get why i looove my team even though they might win 2 games and they never will.....

WesmanTexanfan
01-18-2008, 01:47 PM
heres how my convo gos

wesman: so whos your favorite team?

cowboys fan: the cowboys..
dallas man: the "boys duhhh...

wesman: why?

cowboys fan: because ive grown up rooting for'em and have supported them eversince
dallas man: cuz they are the best... what kind of question is that?

wesman to cowboys fan: oh word, thats cool, im a diehard Texan fan
wesman to dallas man: ohh of course, later.....

cowboy fan: i got nothin against the texans, i hope they do well..
dallas man: what are you from houston?? the texans suck... i cant believe yall didnt pick vince.

wesman to cowboys fan: word, well i cant stand your team, no offense, but i hope they do well for you..
wesman to dallas man: ya, ok, later...... ( thinking to myself, omg they are all the same, we had just signed DC to an extinsion do you not know anything? plus look at who mario is and what he does and will do..)

cowboy fan: hahah, thanks... later
dallas man: watch were gunna go to the superbowl and beat the Pats, best team ever... GO 'BOYS..... TEXANS are a joke!!!! (while im walking away)


that about sums it up

WesmanTexanfan
01-18-2008, 01:54 PM
after the giants game

cowboys fan: damn it cowboys, c'mon romo, well seasons over, cant wait till next year... hope we can keep our staff together...

dallas man: maaaan the cowboys suck, always blowin it... we suck. im gunna go check out the texans....(ok the last part isnt for all dallas men, but some(referring to texans))

StarStruck
01-18-2008, 01:54 PM
i think i saw the word jealousy somewhere.... im insulted, id rather go 8-8 every year than support anything from that dallas place. they are the opposite of what a Texan is and im talkin about the state not the team. EVERY DALLAS person ive met came from a bubble, or a place where nothing exhisted outside of that bubble, and fear anything they dont understand, they dont get why i looove my team even though they might win 2 games and they never will.....

:thinking: On one hand, it sounds like the real problem is with Dallas in general, and the Cowboys are a by product since they wear the name. Then on the otherhand, the Cowboys have fans world-wide, so it they are the target, then it sounds a bit like, Dallas the city, is being treated unfairly. Dallas the city does indeed have Cowboys fans, but they have some who were not fans enough to allow the stadium to be built in their city. I loved my team too, even when they were 1-15, and 5-11, but I must admit that I wasn't grinning like a Cheshire cat, heck, those seasons were painful.

ATX
01-18-2008, 02:00 PM
Identity problems?

According to the City of Dallas, the origin of the name “Dallas” is a mystery, despite claims to the contrary. The most probable claim is that George Mifflin Dallas (Who was named after the village of Dallas, Scotland), a Vice President of the United States, was the person after whom Dallas was named. Bryan stated only that it was named “after my friend Dallas.” Another idea, was that the name was influenced from a small town in Pennsylvania, named "Dallas" [10]

Other leading candidates for Dallas's eponym are:

1. Commodore Alexander James Dallas, brother of George Mifflin Dallas, stationed in the Gulf of Mexico;
2. Walter R. Dallas, who fought at San Jacinto;
3. James L. Dallas, Walter's brother and a Texas Ranger;
4. Joseph Dallas of Arkansas, who lived in the Cedar Springs area in 1843, and moved from Washington County (near Bryan's land holdings in Crawford County) to the Dallas area a few years after Bryan's arrival. This possibility has much support, in that founder John Neely Bryan stated that he had named the town after "his friend," and he was indeed friends with Joseph Dallas at the time.[11]

A notable fact is that, while the namesake of the city of Dallas is not known for certain, the namesake of the county of Dallas is clear, as noted in the transcripts of the Texas legislature. Dallas County was named after Vice-President George Mifflin Dallas, leading to the intriguing possibility that the county seat was named for a different person than the county of the same name

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas,_Texas

WesmanTexanfan
01-18-2008, 02:01 PM
:thinking: On one hand, it sounds like the real problem is with Dallas in general, and the Cowboys are a by product since they wear the name. Then on the otherhand, the Cowboys have fans world-wide, so it they are the target, then it sounds a bit like, Dallas the city, is being treated unfairly. Dallas the city does indeed have Cowboys fans, but they have some who were not fans enough to allow the stadium to be built in their city. I loved my team too, even when they were 1-15, and 5-11, but I must admit that I wasn't grinning like a Cheshire cat, heck, those seasons were painful.

ya, its the city for me, only people i have met from there make me dis like it...

i jokingly say that if all cowboy fans could visit dallas there wouldnt be so many.....

Texan_Bill
01-18-2008, 02:04 PM
We really should separate the city of Dallas and the Cowboys in these discussions.. Afterall, the Cowboys don't really play in Dallas, do they?? :spy:

:)

WesmanTexanfan
01-18-2008, 02:07 PM
We really should separate the city of Dallas and the Cowboys in these discussions.. Afterall, the Cowboys don't really play in Dallas, do they?? :spy:

:)

ha, you know why not, i really just dont like dallas so it makes sense, but it does make it easir to use how they treat theyre own sports team as an example..... it was the same attitude towards the mavericks, but i mean, NO ONE talks about the mavs, i dunno why, they have a ton of talent... but still when they lose its "damn the mavs suck"... but ya, i dislike dallas' attitude

ubecool454
01-18-2008, 03:07 PM
It's more fun to question their Texanity. Most people in Houston know who their city was named after and most people in Austin know who their city is named after, but ask someone from Dallas who their city was named after and you'll get the strangest looks.

you are right, people in houston and austin know that their cities are named after two guys from virginia. lol