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SF49erFaithful
01-08-2008, 04:45 PM
Pretty surprising to me, honestly. I'm excited about this move.

http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/default.asp?item=727836

TEXANS84
01-08-2008, 04:47 PM
Well, someone needed to turn around that offense. I thought Cameron was a lock, but Martz should do

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
01-08-2008, 04:51 PM
Time to shop Gore around. Martz won't use him anyways.

Texan_Bill
01-08-2008, 04:54 PM
Time to shop Gore around. Martz won't use him anyways.

Here come the 'Should the Texans go after Gore' threads.... Ughhh!!!

brakos82
01-08-2008, 04:55 PM
Here come the 'Should the Texans go after Gore' threads.... Ughhh!!!
T-45 minutes...

Errant Hothy
01-08-2008, 04:58 PM
T-45 minutes...

It'll be faster then that, there are already people complaining that we are letting all the good OCs get hired without doing anything.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
01-08-2008, 05:06 PM
Here come the 'Should the Texans go after Gore' threads.... Ughhh!!!




Should I go ahead and start the thread? :thinking:

kiwitexansfan
01-08-2008, 05:06 PM
Nice signing, too bad there isn't a decent QB over there to air it out.

Texan_Bill
01-08-2008, 05:09 PM
Should I go ahead and start the thread? :thinking:

I am a little surprised that Brakos didn't start it already. :pirate:

brakos82
01-08-2008, 05:10 PM
I am a little surprised that Brakos didn't start it already. :pirate:
I did. You people know me too good... And now I misplaced the thread...

Lucky
01-08-2008, 05:14 PM
I did. You people know me too good... And now I misplaced the thread...
It was placed where it belonged.

brakos82
01-08-2008, 05:17 PM
It was placed where it belonged.
I don't see it. Don't reorganize my mess! :wild:

kastofsna
01-08-2008, 05:30 PM
hope Staley is the franchise tackle i think he is.

BSofA04
01-08-2008, 07:27 PM
hope Staley is the franchise tackle i think he is.

Me too. However, his sacks will increase due to the pass-friendly offense.

drewmar74
01-08-2008, 07:37 PM
I don't see this as a good thing for Alex Smith. Poor kid looked pretty shaky last year and he's got the bum shoulder. I hate to think what he's going to be like in Martz's offense (or a year later!)

Kitna seems like a really tough guy (average QB, but tough dude) and he got slapped around in Martz's scheme. Bulger took a lot of hits also thanks to Martz's vertical O. So said, the Niners may want to go ahead and start getting Alex in the weight room now. Oh, and start some pre-season counseling for him so he's not turned into Jim Everett / David Carr by week 8 of next year.

kastofsna
01-08-2008, 07:58 PM
Martz doesn't run the ball and refuses to address the obvious pass-protection problem in his offense. not a whole lot to be excited about as a Niners fan. if he went to a team with a great line and a pack of good receivers, you'd have a LOT to be excited about.

adam
01-08-2008, 08:18 PM
They needed someone. Mike Martz has a way of making something out of nothing, which is good because that's exactly what he's working with in San Francisco. Nothing. Yeah, yeah, yeah...Frank Gore. You saw how much good that did them this season. If they are wise they'll dump Smith and move on, that would be a good start. You saw how much good dumping our number one pick QB bust did for us.

drewmar74
01-08-2008, 09:20 PM
They needed someone. Mike Martz has a way of making something out of nothing, which is good because that's exactly what he's working with in San Francisco. Nothing. Yeah, yeah, yeah...Frank Gore. You saw how much good that did them this season. If they are wise they'll dump Smith and move on, that would be a good start. You saw how much good dumping our number one pick QB bust did for us.

Oh, I agree that they needed something - I'm just not sure that it was Martz. At least not with what they have right now in terms of skill position talent.

El Amigo Invisible
01-08-2008, 10:26 PM
Well, someone needed to turn around that offense. I thought Cameron was a lock, but Martz should do

WOw

thunderkyss
01-08-2008, 10:33 PM
I don't see this as a good thing for Alex Smith. Poor kid looked pretty shaky last year and he's got the bum shoulder. I hate to think what he's going to be like in Martz's offense (or a year later!)


Alex Smith did pretty good, when he had an offensive coordinator that was worth a damn(Norv Turner).

& While he is no Marshall Faulk, Frank Gore would benefit from getting the ball out in space, with all the screens, and check downs he will be getting.

I like the move, and I'm going to have to give my 49'er buddy a call, to congratulate him.

SF49erFaithful
01-09-2008, 12:12 AM
Time to shop Gore around. Martz won't use him anyways.

Truthfully, it's kind of a mystery to me as to how Gore will be used. He's utilized the RB position before (Jackson, Faulk) but obviously that wasn't the case in Detroit. Martz said that Frank is a great player and that the offense will be built around him. I think you can put him [Gore] as the centerpiece and build around that and that’s what you do with Marshall and I think there are some similarities in that respect.”

link (http://49ers.com/pressbox/news_detail.php?PRKey=3924)

Obviously that's just talk though. We'll see what he actually does on the field.

SF49erFaithful
01-09-2008, 12:20 AM
They needed someone. Mike Martz has a way of making something out of nothing, which is good because that's exactly what he's working with in San Francisco. Nothing. Yeah, yeah, yeah...Frank Gore. You saw how much good that did them this season. If they are wise they'll dump Smith and move on, that would be a good start. You saw how much good dumping our number one pick QB bust did for us.

Smith gets a bad rap in my opinion. Is he the franchise QB we need? I don't know. But I'm not going to cut him after last year, where he was in a horrible situation. With a good OC (Norv Turner - as thunderkyss already mentioned) he improved, so it would be unwise in my opinion to give up on him so soon.

Martz doesn't run the ball and refuses to address the obvious pass-protection problem in his offense. not a whole lot to be excited about as a Niners fan. if he went to a team with a great line and a pack of good receivers, you'd have a LOT to be excited about.

Martz may be a little crazy in his offenses, but he isn't stupid. So even though our personnel doesn't match those of his previous stints, I think he can utilize some of our guys differently, and effectively. That's not to say there aren't going to sacks and what not, however.

I'm most excited to see how Martz uses Vernon Davis. Now that should be interesting...

kastofsna
01-09-2008, 03:41 AM
it's all good and nice to say he'll work well with your personnel now, but that just won't be the case come game day on many occasions, i can already predict. he had several games this year where he had single digit rushing attempts. just unacceptable in any situation.

he's stubborn and is going to have his eye on the hot seat Nolan is currently occupying.

mootini
01-09-2008, 08:36 AM
Smart pick up for the 49ers.

Mr. White
01-09-2008, 08:49 AM
Seems like the 49ers have some really good talent on both sides of the ball.

I've always wondered why that never translated to more W's.

Dunno much about the organization, but here's my 2 cents.

If Mike Nolan hired MIke Martz, then Alex Smith is on the hot seat. If someone higher up than Nolan hired Martz, then Nolan better watch his back.

drewmar74
01-09-2008, 11:01 AM
Well, maybe you could get an aging but very legit WR with Martz coming on board:

If the Rams cut WR Isaac Bruce rather than pay him a $2 million roster bonus this spring, Bruce almost certanly would be welcomed in San Francisco with open arms by Mike Martz


http://bellevillenewsdemocrat.typepad.com/ramblings/2008/01/martz-will-brin.html

Interesting speculation....

adam
01-09-2008, 04:16 PM
Smith gets a bad rap in my opinion. Is he the franchise QB we need? I don't know. But I'm not going to cut him after last year, where he was in a horrible situation. With a good OC (Norv Turner - as thunderkyss already mentioned) he improved, so it would be unwise in my opinion to give up on him so soon.


Over the course of his three year career, Smith averages a horrid 5.8 yards a pass and only manages to complete 54% of his passes. This year, before his injury, he had completed less than 50% of his passes and averaged under 5 yards a pass. I haven't seen anything from him that would indicate a promising future. Or maybe I'm just stuck on his rookie season, where he threw 1 TD and 11 INTs in just 7 starts. To be honest, at this moment in time, I would rather have David Carr starting for my team than Alex Smith.

SF49erFaithful
01-09-2008, 04:57 PM
it's all good and nice to say he'll work well with your personnel now, but that just won't be the case come game day on many occasions, i can already predict. he had several games this year where he had single digit rushing attempts. just unacceptable in any situation.

he's stubborn and is going to have his eye on the hot seat Nolan is currently occupying.

Either way, our offense can't be worse than it was last season.

tulexan
01-09-2008, 04:58 PM
This should be interesting. I can't see Martz and Nolan coexisting too well.

SF49erFaithful
01-09-2008, 05:12 PM
Seems like the 49ers have some really good talent on both sides of the ball.

I've always wondered why that never translated to more W's.

Dunno much about the organization, but here's my 2 cents.

If Mike Nolan hired MIke Martz, then Alex Smith is on the hot seat. If someone higher up than Nolan hired Martz, then Nolan better watch his back.

Nolan hired Martz. The QB job is up for grabs for the 2008 season, according to Nolan. Shaun Hill and the Smith are the only real possibilities though. I'd be shocked if Smith didn't win the job, honestly. It's very possible we'll draft a QB (albeit not in the first) also, but a rookie won't start.

Over the course of his three year career, Smith averages a horrid 5.8 yards a pass and only manages to complete 54% of his passes. This year, before his injury, he had completed less than 50% of his passes and averaged under 5 yards a pass. I haven't seen anything from him that would indicate a promising future. Or maybe I'm just stuck on his rookie season, where he threw 1 TD and 11 INTs in just 7 starts. To be honest, at this moment in time, I would rather have David Carr starting for my team than Alex Smith.

This doesn't disprove what I said. I'm aware Smith had a couple pretty bad years. I think the 2005 offense was probably the most depleted group of players I've seen in my life. Our top WR was Brandon Lloyd, and our #1 RB was Barlow just to give you an idea. No surprise Smith stunk it up that season. And Smith wasn't bad this year due to injury - he sucked because our offensive coordinator was awful. Pretty obvious considering every single unit's performance dropped off significantly once he (the new OC) took over (i.e. Smith, O-line giving up franchise high amount of sacks, Gore, etc.). With a decent coordinator, he's proved to be competent. Martz = competent. Those stats are skewed from horrible situations he was in, and aren't accurate to the QB he is today.

SF49erFaithful
01-09-2008, 05:16 PM
This should be interesting. I can't see Martz and Nolan coexisting too well.

Indeed it should be. For the record though, it was Nolan who hired Martz. They've worked together before, so I think Nolan has an idea of how Martz is. But it wouldn't surprise me to see Nolan angry on the sidelines some time this season.

adam
01-09-2008, 07:23 PM
This doesn't disprove what I said. I'm aware Smith had a couple pretty bad years. I think the 2005 offense was probably the most depleted group of players I've seen in my life. Our top WR was Brandon Lloyd, and our #1 RB was Barlow just to give you an idea. No surprise Smith stunk it up that season. And Smith wasn't bad this year due to injury - he sucked because our offensive coordinator was awful. Pretty obvious considering every single unit's performance dropped off significantly once he (the new OC) took over (i.e. Smith, O-line giving up franchise high amount of sacks, Gore, etc.). With a decent coordinator, he's proved to be competent. Martz = competent. Those stats are skewed from horrible situations he was in, and aren't accurate to the QB he is today.

I'll believe it when I see it.

HOU-TEX
01-10-2008, 09:20 AM
Nolan hired Martz. The QB job is up for grabs for the 2008 season, according to Nolan. Shaun Hill and the Smith are the only real possibilities though. I'd be shocked if Smith didn't win the job, honestly. It's very possible we'll draft a QB (albeit not in the first) also, but a rookie won't start.


No Dilfer?? He's an awesome QB..........when he's an analyst on NFLN. :whip:

tulexan
01-10-2008, 09:24 AM
So, who will be the first 49er to threaten to kill Martz?

SF49erFaithful
01-10-2008, 05:00 PM
No Dilfer?? He's an awesome QB..........when he's an analyst on NFLN. :whip:

True dat. :splits: Seriously though, he'll probably retire. Could be back.

kastofsna
01-10-2008, 07:30 PM
So, who will be the first 49er to threaten to kill Martz?
Alex Smith.

HOU-TEX
01-11-2008, 09:49 AM
True dat. :splits: Seriously though, he'll probably retire. Could be back.

He seems to have some intelligence. He'd make a decent commentator. :)