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kastofsna
01-06-2008, 01:33 AM
admittedly i just haven't been paying my same attention to scouting players this year as in previous years, but mocks are more about fitting certain players in with certain teams. i know enough, and it's 2 in the morning and i'm bored. also i've had a few beers. here's my top 10

1: Miami Dolphins - Chris Long, DE, Virginia. In Bill Parcells' career we've always seen this fascination with "Parcells Guys," the kind of players who fit Parcells' athletic mold and specific character mold and all the ties that player has to Parcells. Well, Chris Long is extremely athletically gifted, will be perfect anywhere in the front 7 of the 3-4, was coached by Parcells guy Al Groh, and fits that "Planet Theory" of athletes, which means that when there's a guy who's ridiculously fast and agile for his size, you draft him, period. Definitely a lock ahead of Dorsey right now, but we'll see how they both do at the combine (assuming both attend the combine).

2: St. Louis Rams - Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU. Miami passes him up, so obviously the Rams are there to scoop him up. They just need help on d-line, and if Miami does indeed take Dorsey they easily go with Long. Or, perhaps the other Long, Jake Long. You say Jake Long would fill a more pressing need, but regardless, Dorsey is a much more dynamic athlete and his potential easily puts Jake Long on the backburner for priorities.

3: Atlanta Falcons - Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas. They have some good talent in the backfield, and yes I know they need a QB, but this pick will instantly give Falcons a "great draft" grade from all the writers and give the fans someone to cheer for right away. They'll look QB at the top of the 2nd; Andre Woodson could be there, and that'll be a nice 1-2 SEC punch. Warrick Dunn won't be around forever, and Jerrious Norwood, while a great player, isn't a feature back in the NFL.

4: Oakland Raiders - Vernon Gholston, DE, Ohio State. Gholston is a freakish athlete with loads of potential and immediately sparks the Oakland defense. Also could see Oakland going corner here if Asomugha doesn't get shored up; he was a top 3 corner in the NFL last season, and he's a free agent.

5: Kansas City Chiefs - Jake Long, T, Michigan. KC knows where their offense had strength during the Priest Holmes years: up front on the o-line. They need to regain that tradition and, more importantly, the big-bodied nature of it. Long projects to RT, but eh, with some good coaching he could be decent protecting a QB's blindside. Those feet and hips need to coordinate better.

6: NY Jets - James Laurinaitis, LB, Ohio State. Easy pick. Keep him away from New England and, more importantly I guess, help your defense out tremendously. The Jets linebackers are decent, but they need more athleticism. What better than to pair the OSU guy with Hobson and Harris, two Michigan fellows.

7: New England Patriots - Keith Rivers, LB, USC. Who knows what's going to happen to Asante Samuel, and even if he does leave, you still have the better CB in Hobbs on the other side, so do you need CB, and what about the safeties, Rodney Harrison won't be around much longer, and they drafted Merriweather last year...hmm...the linebackers have age on 'em. Especially in the middle. Get Rivers, a great, smart, and well disciplined player.

8: Baltimore Ravens - Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College. Troy Smith can't be the future at QB, can he? Probably not. A new coach will want to have his own young guy to groom, and by the grace of God a franchise QB fell into his lap at #8.

9: Cincinnati Bengals - Dan Conner, LB, Penn State. Probably the biggest weakness on the team (quick, name a Bengals' LB), and one of the more well-rounded players in the draft. Conner should have a good showing at the combine and will most likely do really well in interviews and show good character, which wouldn't be a bad thing for the Bengals.

10: New Orleans Saints - Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas. Boom, easy pick, no questions about this one. Dreadful secondary. Quarterbacks had career days against the Saints this year. Talib had a fantastic Orange Bowl and certainly looks to make that big step to the NFL. 6'2, 200 pounds. Shut-down corner.

mexican_texan
01-06-2008, 01:43 AM
You don't think the Rams would rather replace Orlando Pace?

kastofsna
01-06-2008, 01:47 AM
i'm sure they would.

i'm sure they'd also love an incredible player on their d-line who grades out much higher than any OT in this draft.

threetoedpete
01-06-2008, 01:51 AM
You don't think the Rams would rather replace Orlando Pace?

This is exactly what I was posting in the other thread... big drop in tallent taking Orlndo Pace's replacement in the first as compaired to the third. Pickings going to get pretty slim after day one for starter OT's.

mexican_texan
01-06-2008, 02:05 AM
i'm sure they would.

i'm sure they'd also love an incredible player on their d-line who grades out much higher than any OT in this draft.
Speaking of which, how did Carriker do this year?

eriadoc
01-06-2008, 02:31 AM
6: NY Jets - James Laurinaitis, LB, Ohio State. Easy pick. Keep him away from New England and, more importantly I guess, help your defense out tremendously. The Jets linebackers are decent, but they need more athleticism. What better than to pair the OSU guy with Hobson and Harris, two Michigan fellows.

I haven't paid much attention to the Jets, but what happened to Vilma?

Ole Miss Texan
01-06-2008, 03:59 AM
not too shabby kastofsna...

1. You have Laurinitis entering the draft.
a. Do you think Malcolm Jenkins stays in school?
b. or do you have Talib as the better CB overall or fit for the Saints?

beerlover
01-06-2008, 11:44 AM
seems ok. still waiting for all the underclassman to make their decisions. Rashard Mendenhall, Calais Campbell, Kenny Phillips & Ryan Clady all worthy, eligible top 10 draft prospects. McFadden, Gholston & Talib still undeceided. So given the known players as of right now-

1: Miami Dolphins - Chris Long, DE, Virginia.

I would still take Dorsey but have no problems going after a great looking RDE.

2: St. Louis Rams - Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU.

If he is available very well could be the pick.

3: Atlanta Falcons - Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas.

I'm sure he comes out but lets say he doesnt I feel they have to address QB & depending on the coach/offensive system I'd select QB Matt Ryan

4: Oakland Raiders - Vernon Gholston, DE, Ohio State.

I beleive Calais Campbell will be a higher rated prospect. people will take a look at how successful Peppers/Williams have been & Campbell is in the same mold.

5: Kansas City Chiefs - Jake Long, T, Michigan.

I like Ryan Clady much more than Long because of his athletic ability & quick footwork more suited to play LT. but I agree OL is a lock.

6: NY Jets - James Laurinaitis, LB, Ohio State.

Beleive it or not the Jets really need a RT. Think Jake Long would be a perfect fit here, that RT is his natural position.

7: New England Patriots - Keith Rivers, LB, USC.

This is where Darren McFadden winds up if he declares. if he's gone the Patriots can take Richard Mendenhall this will really establish the offense with a more balanced attack/depth both running & throwing.

8: Baltimore Ravens - Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College.

Since I think Ryan is gone they could take the other top QB prospect, Brian Brohm.

9: Cincinnati Bengals - Dan Conner, LB, Penn State.

Need beef in the DL. like USC DT Sedric Ellis whos forte is stopping the run.

10: New Orleans Saints - Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas.

FS Kenny Phillips, Miami. very few prospects come out each year like him but as you saw yesterday LaRon Landry was a playmaker who can make ordinary corners look effecient.

kastofsna
01-06-2008, 12:31 PM
Gholston = Merriman. he'll be a higher rated prospect by draft day.

YoungTexanFan
01-06-2008, 12:33 PM
Gholston = Merriman. he'll be a higher rated prospect by draft day.

I don't see it. Many of the 3-4 teams already have their pass rushing OLB, and very few teams have a Mario/Peppers. Calias is the best DE prospect in the draft. Chris Long after him.

kastofsna
01-06-2008, 12:58 PM
Campbell is average. doesn't deserve to be a top 10 prospect. Gholston is tons better and WILL be drafted ahead of him, and Long will be the first of them drafted.

mexican_texan
01-06-2008, 05:43 PM
I haven't paid much attention to the Jets, but what happened to Vilma?
He was underperforming before he was injured.

YoungTexanFan
01-06-2008, 07:44 PM
Campbell is average. doesn't deserve to be a top 10 prospect. Gholston is tons better and WILL be drafted ahead of him, and Long will be the first of them drafted.

Campbell has a Peppers build, tremendous speed, gets to the QB, and will fill out to be a dominant DE. At his size, he will be able to hold the edge against the run as well as get into the backfield. Gholston is not better, nor should he be drafted ahead of Campbell.

Hagar
01-06-2008, 08:37 PM
Interesting choice on the first pick (could very well work out that way too). If it goes down that way, STL will definitely go after Dorsey. Once Dorsey is on board, it will allow them to move Carriker out to DE (suites him better) and they will have a formidable d-line.

I think the Falcon’s will go with a QB in the first but your pick makes more sense to me. A solid running game can make up for a lot of evils at QB. If the Falcon’s were smart, they’d take McFadden as you suggest and then go after someone like Culpepper in the FA market while they groom a young QB.

Ole Miss Texan
01-06-2008, 10:19 PM
I really think Atlanta is going with QB in the 1st..most likely Ryan. I think they will address RB with one of their 2nd round picks. The drop off in talent in QB's is much more than that of RB this draft, imo.

I think Jake Long does indeed have a good chance of dropping and the Jets snagging him up to play RT

I think McFadden still has a great shot at being in a Patriots uniform next season.

threetoedpete
01-06-2008, 10:58 PM
I really think Atlanta is going with QB in the 1st..most likely Ryan. I think they will address RB with one of their 2nd round picks. The drop off in talent in QB's is much more than that of RB this draft, imo.

I think Jake Long does indeed have a good chance of dropping and the Jets snagging him up to play RT

I think McFadden still has a great shot at being in a Patriots uniform next season.

Well which guy will keep the season ticket holders happy. They have a team built around one guy who's sitting in jail cell. So you bring in the hoss, the rain maker, to make the season ticket holders happy. They can alway come back in the second and select a guy to groom. They could hold their water and take Dixon at the start of day two. Mcfaddin pick makes more sense. He can carry a team. Where as a rookie... learning, is prety messy.

Ole Miss Texan
01-06-2008, 11:44 PM
Well which guy will keep the season ticket holders happy. They have a team built around one guy who's sitting in jail cell. So you bring in the hoss, the rain maker, to make the season ticket holders happy. They can alway come back in the second and select a guy to groom. They could hold their water and take Dixon at the start of day two. Mcfaddin pick makes more sense. He can carry a team. Where as a rookie... learning, is prety messy.

That's definitely very possible. Kinda like how we selected Bush to make the fans happy??

When I hear Blank speak...all signs point to getting their franchise QB in round 1. I don't see the upside in taking McFadden at their spot when they've got Jerius Norwood and can grab another RB in the 2nd that would be a perfect 1-2 combo with him. While I think McFadden is a tremendous athlete...I think too many people are expecting him to be like Peterson was this season.

While I'm sure the general consensus of 'Falcon' fans want the flashy RB like they want the flashy QB in Vick etc... I really don't see the Falcon fans happy with Redman, Harrington, and Leftwich as their QB's next year.

nunusguy
01-07-2008, 08:26 AM
I'm looking forward to see if Parsells is successful in trading his #1 pick ?
They say each year its tougher and tougher to trade the #1, and many feel that other top 5 picks are reall more valuable because a team can land a very good prospect without nearly the cap-hit.
And its well known that Parsells is a not so big fan of young rookie QBs and
he also avoids expending too much on running backs, so lets see if he can work something out for a trade involving multiple picks ?
Re Chris Long as #1 to Miami, he's a 4-3 DE and who in their right mind would even use such a high pick on a 3-4 DLineman ?

otisbean
01-07-2008, 08:48 AM
Gholston = Merriman. he'll be a higher rated prospect by draft day.

If this is true and VG is sitting their at 18 do you pull the trigger? If he equals Merriman I would. I know our secondary needs help but one of the best ways to help them is to improve the pass rush.

kastofsna
01-08-2008, 01:49 PM
Campbell has a Peppers build, tremendous speed, gets to the QB, and will fill out to be a dominant DE. At his size, he will be able to hold the edge against the run as well as get into the backfield. Gholston is not better, nor should he be drafted ahead of Campbell.
Campbell is all build, nothing else, he's been awful since John Palermo left UM, and while he'll test well, he won't test well enough to break the top 10. he'll be there for Houston to think about.

threetoedpete
01-08-2008, 01:58 PM
That's definitely very possible. Kinda like how we selected Bush to make the fans happy??

When I hear Blank speak...all signs point to getting their franchise QB in round 1. I don't see the upside in taking McFadden at their spot when they've got Jerius Norwood and can grab another RB in the 2nd that would be a perfect 1-2 combo with him. While I think McFadden is a tremendous athlete...I think too many people are expecting him to be like Peterson was this season.

While I'm sure the general consensus of 'Falcon' fans want the flashy RB like they want the flashy QB in Vick etc... I really don't see the Falcon fans happy with Redman, Harrington, and Leftwich as their QB's next year.

There shouldn't be too many comprisons between McFaddin and Reggie. What you know for a fact now, today...is that McFaddin can carry a team....alone....by himself. They already have a TE. Just need couple of o-lineman to beef up and the QB is going to hand off a lot in '08. Hide a lot of warts at the QB position with a front line RB. And anyone they draft at QB....Anyone... is going to take a year at least to get on line. Do it with a second or third rounder as easily as with a day one guy.

Ole Miss Texan
01-08-2008, 02:48 PM
There shouldn't be too many comprisons between McFaddin and Reggie. What you know for a fact now, today...is that McFaddin can carry a team....alone....by himself. They already have a TE. Just need couple of o-lineman to beef up and the QB is going to hand off a lot in '08. Hide a lot of warts at the QB position with a front line RB. And anyone they draft at QB....Anyone... is going to take a year at least to get on line. Do it with a second or third rounder as easily as with a day one guy.

I was just referencing which will keep the season ticket holders happy... in our case it was VY or RB...not relating their game to mcfadden's but only the 'publicity'-type factor...

Suppose ATL does take McFadden at their spot....wonder if they'd be interested in trading up for someone like Brohm/Woodson at our #18? They do have 2 2nds... Hand the ball off a lot in '08 season...play new QB occasionally mostly just grooming him to take over in '09?

threetoedpete
01-08-2008, 03:17 PM
I was just referencing which will keep the season ticket holders happy... in our case it was VY or RB...not relating their game to mcfadden's but only the 'publicity'-type factor...

Suppose ATL does take McFadden at their spot....wonder if they'd be interested in trading up for someone like Brohm/Woodson at our #18? They do have 2 2nds... Hand the ball off a lot in '08 season...play new QB occasionally mostly just grooming him to take over in '09?

That is what beer lover has preposed. So if we get an extra 3 this year and a two next year or who knows...their one in '09, do you pass up twenty guys to get to the meat of this draft ? You'd end up with two twos and two threes this year and control over the board in '09. Is it worth it ?

Second Honeymoon
01-08-2008, 03:55 PM
Long at #1? good one. can we get the real mock draft? even the Fins aren't dumb enough to do that.

kastofsna
01-08-2008, 05:34 PM
another incredible opinion based on absolutely nothing from Second Honeymoon.

Second Honeymoon
01-08-2008, 11:11 PM
Campbell is all build, nothing else, he's been awful since John Palermo left UM, and while he'll test well, he won't test well enough to break the top 10. he'll be there for Houston to think about.

it would be very tempting or if Ellis dropped in their laps.

the combines and pro days will be really critical for the DL talent. people could rise or fall really quick. I think the combine will be really important for a Felix Jones or Cason because they are right on that 1st round border.

as for your mock, you may have Long and Laurinaitis a little high, but you arent alone in feeling that way. the rest is pretty spot on and backed up with logic.

Has there ever been a draft without a QB taken within the first ten picks? I can't remember any off the top of my head but I think it has happened at some point in the modern NFL era. Ryan and Brohm could both fall out of the Top10 pretty easily. I could see those guys falling right outside of the Top10 to Chicago and Carolina respectively.

From where i sit it goes Dorsey at #1 then both the Longs fighting out for #2 and #3, I think the Falcons are going to have McFadden drop in their lap at #4 and have to pass on Ryan or Brohm. The Chiefs will go for either of the Jenkins at DB or maybe a wild card of Sedrick Ellis. I don't think the Chiefs go QB on this year's crop. Smart move imho.

The only team that is going to be tempted to draft a QB is Baltimore. If Ryan tests and grades out well he could go there but I think they will pass. The rest of the teams have their QBs already so it could be a freefall like Brady's freefall last year. The Bears faithful will be happy and finally have a viable future at QB and the Panthers will have a prospect to groom behind DelHomme.

The Pencil Neck
01-08-2008, 11:35 PM
Has there ever been a draft without a QB taken within the first ten picks? I can't remember any off the top of my head but I think it has happened at some point in the modern NFL era.

2000 - Pennington at 18.
1997 - Druckenmiller at 26.
1996 - Tony Banks at 42.
1991 - Dan McGwire at 16. (Wow, then Marinovich at 24 and Favre at 33!)
1988 - Chris Chandler at 76 (Third round)
1985 - Randall Cunningham at 37 (Second round)
1984 - Esiason at 38
1980 - Marc Wilson at 15.

I stopped there.