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WesmanTexanfan
01-05-2008, 06:59 PM
so please all of you who dont pay attention, or even those who just think we need a running back please chill out, cuz it wont happen. we will NOT draft a rb, and we dont need one, we need another Rb like we need another QB. we need OTs, a center, cb's, safteys, heck id take another LB or De before another RB.... Darius walker and Chris Taylor will be awesome next year IF we draft some O line or sign some FA's on the line. in all our years weve spent 0, thats right 0 1st round picks on an OT, which in my opinion is the second most crucial position after the QB, heck I should be able to run behind a solid O line, so i think chris and darius can handle it. plus look at what darius does, he hits whole, hes short and quick which means hes hard to tackle, he doenst go backwards and hes 1 cut and gone, thats a proto type NFL rb, and chris will add to the pounding..... so please shill out with the which RB are we gunna take, because its none.........


edit: plus the running back position in the NFL is waaaay overrated, it really comes down to who is blocking, unless its adrian peterson, hes once in a lifetime, and there arnt any of those in the draft this year(mcfadden is over rated, mendenhall and even rice look better in the NFL IMO)

thunderkyss
01-06-2008, 02:36 AM
I agree, if our OL block next year, like they did against Jacksonville in our season finale, then we've got a good stable of running backs to get us through the year.

But Ahman Green & Ron Dayne are hurt all the dang time.

Taylor & Walker may be superstars..... may be duds..... may be adequate... who knows.

Like you, I don't think we'll draft a running back in the first round. I'd like it, but I don't think it will happen.

As far as OT, & Center. I agree, we need to do something at those position, mainly because of the age of Salaam(who played well this year) & McKinney(who was hurt most of the year) & Flannagan, who is also old as hell.

But, we've got Jordan Black, Rashard Butler, Charles Spencer, & Brandon Frye who may play LT for us in the future... we've also got Pitts, who we can move to LT.


Then we've got Greg Eslinger, Drew Hodgdon, & even Fred Weary can play center.

I can understand if none of these names do it for you, but, it is my opinion, that Denver has had just as much success, building their OL in house, as they've been at turning out 1000 yard runners.

I think we'll start seeing some of these picks, maybe even a few undrafted linemen start contributing on our offensive line in '08.

Look at their offensive line. Neither of their OTs were even drafted.

Kuper was drafted in the fifth, and Myers in the 6th.

Holland was a free agent, from new orleans, a 4th round pick.

Hey, I wouldn't mind getting a stud center in the middle of the first, I just don't see it happening.

Most likely, we're going after a CB.

adam
01-06-2008, 02:41 AM
But Ahman Green & Ron Dayne are hurt all the dang time.


What? Ron suffered the first injury of his career (that I'm aware of) and still took some runs. Ron is our most valuable runner. Like it or not.

thunderkyss
01-06-2008, 02:57 AM
I'm probably Ron's biggest proponent 'round here, but he hasn't been 100% this year or last.

No doubt, our offensive line is to blame for the lack of a run game, and Ron is the best thing we've got right now, but that is a sad, sad statement.

& his injury this year, is far from the first of his career.

ATX
01-06-2008, 03:41 AM
I want Ron Dayne as our 3rd string back, I like the guy, but he isn't worthy of being a 1st or 2nd stringer. AG needs to go and if we don't get a new RB, I hope either Taylor or Walker step up. I seriously wouldn't be that surprised if we did draft a RB or acquire one in FA, maybe I'm biased, but I want a stud RB that can carry the load(sorry, not sold on either Taylor or Walker).

Ole Miss Texan
01-06-2008, 04:03 AM
I'm not to the point of saying that Taylor and Walker are our franchise backs...I don't think that at all. But with that said I like both of them on our team. I think we need another RB that can take the load as well as share it with the current backs we have.

I def. agree with you we have more pressing NEEDS, but on the other hand I think we do indeed draft a RB somewhere...be it 4th round or so...

Malloy
01-06-2008, 07:10 AM
I want Ron Dayne as our 3rd string back, I like the guy, but he isn't worthy of being a 1st or 2nd stringer.

There's just something wrong with this. How can a guy that keeps grinding out yards not be worthy? Did he molest a kitten, urinate on the sidewalk?
Whenever he gets the chance (and the ball) he does a damn good job.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

BattleRedToro
01-06-2008, 07:49 AM
Ron Dayne does an adequate job when he gets the opportunity. His biggest problem is that he is slow to the point of attack. I don't care who is the fastest in the 40 yard dash. That's a track and field event. This is football. And in football, I want the guy in there that is fastest to the whole. In other words, a guy that can see the play developing, then make a decision based on that analysis, and go. Someone that can do that quickly is fast at the point of attack, regardless of their actual footspeed.

That is how Darius Walker, and possibly Chris Taylor, might be able to outproduce Ron Dayne if they were given the opportunity.

Of course, if you have a running back that has fast footspeed, and is fast at the point of attack, then you really have something there. Especially, if he can also run for power, and protects the ball.

Texans_Chick
01-06-2008, 09:03 AM
so please all of you who dont pay attention, or even those who just think we need a running back please chill out, cuz it wont happen. we will NOT draft a rb, and we dont need one, we need another Rb like we need another QB. we need OTs, a center, cb's, safteys, heck id take another LB or De before another RB.... Darius walker and Chris Taylor will be awesome next year IF we draft some O line or sign some FA's on the line. in all our years weve spent 0, thats right 0 1st round picks on an OT, which in my opinion is the second most crucial position after the QB, heck I should be able to run behind a solid O line, so i think chris and darius can handle it. plus look at what darius does, he hits whole, hes short and quick which means hes hard to tackle, he doenst go backwards and hes 1 cut and gone, thats a proto type NFL rb, and chris will add to the pounding..... so please shill out with the which RB are we gunna take, because its none.........


edit: plus the running back position in the NFL is waaaay overrated, it really comes down to who is blocking, unless its adrian peterson, hes once in a lifetime, and there arnt any of those in the draft this year(mcfadden is over rated, mendenhall and even rice look better in the NFL IMO)

I disagree. If you look at the last Kubiak presser, he talks about the needs of the Texans: running back, left tackle of the future, secondary. He doesn't specifically say we are going to draft running back, but talk of getting a young running back seems to point that direction.

You can't go into next season thinking that a guy who didn't play last year and a smallish promising guy are enough.

Basically, the Texans need to get into a running back situation where the starting RB isn't GTD--game time decision.

HoustonFrog
01-06-2008, 09:50 AM
so please all of you who dont pay attention, or even those who just think we need a running back please chill out, cuz it wont happen. we will NOT draft a rb, and we dont need one, we need another Rb like we need another QB. we need OTs, a center, cb's, safteys, heck id take another LB or De before another RB.... Darius walker and Chris Taylor will be awesome next year IF we draft some O line or sign some FA's on the line. in all our years weve spent 0, thats right 0 1st round picks on an OT, which in my opinion is the second most crucial position after the QB, heck I should be able to run behind a solid O line, so i think chris and darius can handle it. plus look at what darius does, he hits whole, hes short and quick which means hes hard to tackle, he doenst go backwards and hes 1 cut and gone, thats a proto type NFL rb, and chris will add to the pounding..... so please shill out with the which RB are we gunna take, because its none.........


edit: plus the running back position in the NFL is waaaay overrated, it really comes down to who is blocking, unless its adrian peterson, hes once in a lifetime, and there arnt any of those in the draft this year(mcfadden is over rated, mendenhall and even rice look better in the NFL IMO)

Yes ask Jacksonville how overrated it is:rolleyes:

People were also saying when AJ was hurt that he didn't make THAT big a difference because Davis and Walters had stepped up...then he came back and we were 10 times more effective. You don't really know what you need until you have it. We haven't had a #1 back. Pitts loss of Willie showed last night while MJD and Taylor controlled the game and turned the tide. We either have average backs or ones that are unproven. We need an upgrade that teams need to worry about.


Basically, the Texans need to get into a running back situation where the starting RB isn't GTD--game time decision.

Well said per usual.

Hagar
01-06-2008, 10:29 AM
I think we have a problem at RB. Not a huge problem, but a problem none the less. During one of the Pittsburgh games in Jerome Bettis' last year, the network did a day in the life of Jerome after a game. If there is one thing I learned from that story is that RBs take a huge beating in the NFL. Basically, the older the back, the worse they feel on Mondays.

You've got to keep bringing in new RB position and keep fresh legs available. We have two of the older RB in Dayne & Greene. They’ve got to be replaced.

Walker is a good kid and he did well when he got a chance to play in the last four games of the season. You’ve got to keep in mind that he had fresh legs and was playing against teams with players who have been through the grind of a long season. Many of the players were second stringers or were first stringers that were tired and beat up. We'll see what he can do at the beginning of next season when everybody is fresh. At 5’10”, 208#, Walker is on the small end of the size scale and doesn’t show break away speed; however, he does have very good vision and a nose for finding the hole. Also, Walker has shown a knack for catching passes out of the backfield and does pretty well in space. I think he’ll be a keeper and hope he does well.

I’m not apposed to seeing the Texans start next season rotating Walker & Dayne. Dayne’s just too old to carry the load now but can still pound the rock pretty good. I have a sneaky feeling Greene will be out of the league next season.

With many of he experts claiming the draft is heavy in running back and with some of the comments Kubes has made in his pressers, I have to believe we are going to try to pick up a rookie with either the first or third round picks.

ATX
01-06-2008, 11:32 AM
There's just something wrong with this. How can a guy that keeps grinding out yards not be worthy? Did he molest a kitten, urinate on the sidewalk?
Whenever he gets the chance (and the ball) he does a damn good job.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I like Dayne alot, the guy comes in and does his thing and rarely fumbles, but he isn't starting material IMO.

Line_Producer
01-06-2008, 12:28 PM
unless its ____________, hes once in a lifetime, and there aren't any of those in the draft this year

I never ever want to hear this phrase again. It's the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard. And we hear it every year.


As a side note. Walker and Dayne remind me of my sex life. Lot's of boredom interspersed with brief moments of joy. :gun: I can only take so much depression.

Chris Taylor is injured and unproven. He played great in the preseason, but so did JJ. Would you like JJ to be your number 1 receiver?

The1ApplePie
01-06-2008, 12:48 PM
RB is a big need. You need a good runner to win games and championships. Name a recent Superbowl team that won with a crappy RB...

The Broncos System is dead, thanks to NFL regulations taking away all the cheap shots.

Ask yourself:
Is there a team where either Walker or Taylor would start in the NFL?
No

That lets you know you need an upgrade.

Hervoyel
01-06-2008, 06:36 PM
so please all of you who dont pay attention, or even those who just think we need a running back please chill out, cuz it wont happen. we will NOT draft a rb, and we dont need one, we need another Rb like we need another QB. we need OTs, a center, cb's, safteys, heck id take another LB or De before another RB.... Darius walker and Chris Taylor will be awesome next year IF we draft some O line or sign some FA's on the line. in all our years weve spent 0, thats right 0 1st round picks on an OT, which in my opinion is the second most crucial position after the QB, heck I should be able to run behind a solid O line, so i think chris and darius can handle it. plus look at what darius does, he hits whole, hes short and quick which means hes hard to tackle, he doenst go backwards and hes 1 cut and gone, thats a proto type NFL rb, and chris will add to the pounding..... so please shill out with the which RB are we gunna take, because its none.........


edit: plus the running back position in the NFL is waaaay overrated, it really comes down to who is blocking, unless its adrian peterson, hes once in a lifetime, and there arnt any of those in the draft this year(mcfadden is over rated, mendenhall and even rice look better in the NFL IMO)

Chris Taylor has the potential to be one of those "How come nobody drafted THAT guy?" backs in the right system (meaning the Denver system in this case). He needs to step up and take that job in training camp this coming season or he'll be done however. There's always another Chris Taylor waiting in the wings who could be a great back if things work out right.

Darius Walker I disagree with you on. I don't think he's anybody's future. He's a good third down back kind of guy with good vision and a nice feel for the seam and where it's going to be. He has zero "pop" when he hits the hole however and only makes that seam against poor run defenses or teams that aren't going all out (like his excellent day against Jacksonville's reserves). Against a good run defense at this level he is borderline useless as a feature back, mark my words.

Ultimately I don't think either of them will end up being the guy. I think Kubiak is looking for "the guy" even as we speak. He might even draft him. Green will come back because they hope he'll do next year what he was supposed to do this year. Dayne will come back as Green Insurance. Chris Taylor and Darius Walker will come to camp and at least one of them won't make it out of the preseason. Some back aquired either through the draft or free agency will become our featured back by week 4 of next year.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/Hervoyel/carnac1.jpg

At least that's what Carnac The Magnificent says.

WesmanTexanfan
01-06-2008, 08:35 PM
I never ever want to hear this phrase again. It's the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard. And we hear it every year.


As a side note. Walker and Dayne remind me of my sex life. Lot's of boredom interspersed with brief moments of joy. :gun: I can only take so much depression.

Chris Taylor is injured and unproven. He played great in the preseason, but so did JJ. Would you like JJ to be your number 1 receiver?

hahahaha, that just proves that most of you have no idea

that man child set a single game rush record hus rookie season, hes goin to the pro bowl and got rookie of the year, sound like you were either a sip(texas fan) or an sec guy...... he is once in a lifetime, injuries or not, how can yall be so ignorant as to think we need another RB so bad..... hey, the coaches are with me, its bout time texans fans stop acting like retards and use their heads....... andre is our number 1 guy...... duhhhh, j j is nothin but a pleasent suprise and hell be more to this team if he stays healthy, christ yall are ignorant....... maybe they arnt the future, but they sure as hell deserve the chance....... adrian peterson is the best running back i have ever seen, ever, so stop lying to yourself because thats the most dangerous kind.....

Hervoyel
01-07-2008, 12:06 AM
Actually if you go by what the coach (That would be Gary Kubiak) is saying then "the coaches" aren't "with you". They're against you.

Other fans aren't "ignorant" and they aren't "retards". They're paying attention to what the coach is saying. Chris Taylor and Darius Walker will get every opportunity to make the team and be the starter. If it doesn't happen don't get too upset. Hey, I'd like to be proven wrong by one of these guys but the odds simply are not in their favor. Pointing to some mediocre games these guys have played doesn't convince me. They both looked good against bad or reserve defenses.

As for Adrian Peterson he's a damned good back and I wish he'd fallen to the Texans. He didn't so that's that.

Line_Producer
01-07-2008, 12:18 AM
hahahaha, that just proves that most of you have no idea

that man child set a single game rush record hus rookie season, hes goin to the pro bowl and got rookie of the year, sound like you were either a sip(texas fan) or an sec guy...... he is once in a lifetime, injuries or not, how can yall be so ignorant as to think we need another RB so bad..... hey, the coaches are with me, its bout time texans fans stop acting like retards and use their heads....... andre is our number 1 guy...... duhhhh, j j is nothin but a pleasent suprise and hell be more to this team if he stays healthy, christ yall are ignorant....... maybe they arnt the future, but they sure as hell deserve the chance....... adrian peterson is the best running back i have ever seen, ever, so stop lying to yourself because thats the most dangerous kind.....

Good Lord. Last year Bush and Young were once in a lifetime players. The year, Adrian Peterson. Who just happens to be living up to the hype.

sip or an sec guy? Both I suppose. I root for aTm as well, and Hawaii, and USC. Hmm...I just love football.

Yes. JJ is a pleasant surprise, but he's proven more than Taylor has. I trust the judgment of the coaches. I am not, and will never be an armchair GM. I flat out don't know enough about the players, nor do I get to see them every single day at practice. If he's the future, great! I just refuse to hang my hat on someone that hasn't convinced the coaches he's ready for regular season play.

Man. I just got called a 'retard' on the internet. Haha. First time for everything I suppose.

Errant Hothy
01-07-2008, 10:15 AM
hahahaha, that just proves that most of you have no idea

that man child set a single game rush record hus rookie season, hes goin to the pro bowl and got rookie of the year, sound like you were either a sip(texas fan) or an sec guy...... he is once in a lifetime, injuries or not, how can yall be so ignorant as to think we need another RB so bad..... hey, the coaches are with me, its bout time texans fans stop acting like retards and use their heads....... andre is our number 1 guy...... duhhhh, j j is nothin but a pleasent suprise and hell be more to this team if he stays healthy, christ yall are ignorant....... maybe they arnt the future, but they sure as hell deserve the chance....... adrian peterson is the best running back i have ever seen, ever, so stop lying to yourself because thats the most dangerous kind.....

Please learn the use of the following:

- Periods

- Apostrophes

- The Shift key

And also a) please lay off the insults and b) remember that your opinion does not equal fact. Do that and you are more then welcome here.

As for Peterson being the best back you have ever seen, I'm curious as to how long you have been watching football. Peterson is good, no denying it but compared to the likes of Barry Sanders, Walter Payton, LT, Emmitt Smith and others; Peterson has only done it for a year while the rest have sustained greatness. Let's give Peterson a few years before we start to compare him to the truly great RBs (I think that he'll be in that mix one day, but that day is not now).

HOU-TEX
01-07-2008, 11:49 AM
Is it just me, or does it seem like we've had a recent influx from the "Main" forum? I'm not insulting, just curious.:cool:

leebigeztx
01-07-2008, 12:58 PM
I thought walker and dayne played pretty well. We can talk about the back or line, but once they got a chance, they produced. I don't see how or why because a guy was or wasn't drafted high can't be that guy. The nfl has taught us that good to great players are found everywhere. graham,grant,jacobs,bradshaw,barber,jones,parker.d avenport are all sub 4th rd backs. The guy most people are pining for, turner was a 4th rd pick. The guy that avg 5ypc while mr peterson was out was a 4th rd pick. Tell me what u have seen to disbelieve walker can't be that guy. He's big enough @ 5'10 205, he prototype of that kubiak scheme. Go look at davis,gary,portis,tatum bell,mike bell,selvin young to mention. he catches the ball good makes good clean cuts and gets through the hole. He will need to get stronger, but aside from peterson, what rookie back doesn't? I'm not sure how many 70 yd runs he will have, but go look and see how many addai has. In fact the supposed most explosive back reggie has a long of 22 yds. I like the way addai just keep getting those 5 yds here and there. then a 22 yder breaks off. If they can get 80yds from Walker,and 40 from the other guy, that gives the offense great balance. That's what a team ultimately wants

painekiller
01-07-2008, 01:10 PM
But, we've got Jordan Black, Rashard Butler, Charles Spencer, & Brandon Frye who may play LT for us in the future... we've also got Pitts, who we can move to LT.
Then we've got Greg Eslinger, Drew Hodgdon, & even Fred Weary can play center.


If Black is on this team after the 1st cuts of camp, I will be more than shocked. He was beaten out by Rashard Butler as the swing tackle off the bench. Frye has already been moved to guard because the team determined his future with us is not at tackle. And I would be as shocked as I have ever been, if Spencer is able to play either tackle position after this much time off.

So that leaves us with Salaam, Winston and Butler to cover the OT position. As much as I would like to try Winston at LT, for some reason the team is just as determined that he is not a LT.

You are correct Pitts is our 2nd best LT, and I thought he played on the outside better than he plays on the inside, but again the coaches seem determined that Pitts is a guard only.

Lets go to center, I would not be shocked if Flanagan went 90 miles up Hwy 6 to be an OL coach. McKinney may have a tougher time getting back then we hope. Hodgdon looked pretty solid in the plays I watched him in on. In fact he showed some strength in the lower body he had not displayed before. But remember he had trouble with shoutgun snaps in the past, and he may not be a solution for the team.

Eslinger, is an undersized, blue color worker type with a bad shoulder. He is going to get a chance and hopefully his shoulder trouble is behind him. But can he handle a bull rush from Haynesworth or Stroud, that is the big question.

Even before the injury, I was thinking Weary was not going to be resigned. He is 30 years old and truly we need to be younger on the OL. Pitts is also getting to the point that he needs to be a top guard or he needs to be upgraded.

We could sure stand to draft a OLT and a OC. I think most of us know the OT available i nthe draft , but here is a list of OC we might want to watch:
Max Unger Oregon 6-5 306,
Adam Spieker, Missouri 6-3 305 zone block experienced
Tony Brinkhaus, Minnesota 6-3 295 needs time to develop, which McKinney could buy you.
Steve Justice, Wake Forest 6-4 284 excellent seal blocker, but needs to add bulk.
Cody Wallace A&M 6-4 294, good in space, is used to pulling, is overpowered by nose guards.
Jonathan Luigs Arkansas 6-4 305 jr, good pass blocker and projected to be zone blocker.
Alex Mack Cal, 6-5 300 jr, compares to Kevin Mawae.
Brett Byford Nebraska, 6-3 300, has worked in a WCO and makes all the line calls, strong lower body.

TexanAddict
01-07-2008, 01:47 PM
so please all of you who dont pay attention, or even those who just think we need a running back please chill out, cuz it wont happen. we will NOT draft a rb, and we dont need one, we need another Rb like we need another QB. we need OTs, a center, cb's, safteys, heck id take another LB or De before another RB.... Darius walker and Chris Taylor will be awesome next year IF we draft some O line or sign some FA's on the line. in all our years weve spent 0, thats right 0 1st round picks on an OT, which in my opinion is the second most crucial position after the QB, heck I should be able to run behind a solid O line, so i think chris and darius can handle it. plus look at what darius does, he hits whole, hes short and quick which means hes hard to tackle, he doenst go backwards and hes 1 cut and gone, thats a proto type NFL rb, and chris will add to the pounding..... so please shill out with the which RB are we gunna take, because its none.........

edit: plus the running back position in the NFL is waaaay overrated, it really comes down to who is blocking, unless its adrian peterson, hes once in a lifetime, and there arnt any of those in the draft this year(mcfadden is over rated, mendenhall and even rice look better in the NFL IMO)


This sounds surprisingly similar to Navy_Chris aka "The Biggest Chris Taylor Fan in the World" from the old board. Probably Chris Taylor's mom.

I believe the Texans will be making a mistake should they enter next season with all their hope at RB hanging on the duo of Taylor and Walker. Give 'em their chance in camp to make the team, but bring in someone that will give everyone serious competition for that starting spot.

nunusguy
01-07-2008, 01:55 PM
I think Chris Taylor is an excellent young prospect who could help the Texans over the long-term at running back.

Line_Producer
01-07-2008, 02:02 PM
I think Chris Taylor is an excellent young prospect who could help the Texans over the long-term at running back.

I think you just hit the nail on the head. We need to add the caveat that while prospects are great, it's probably not a prudent move to rely on a prospect.

El Amigo Invisible
01-07-2008, 02:09 PM
Fresh Legs!

WesmanTexanfan
01-07-2008, 05:29 PM
Please learn the use of the following:

- Periods

- Apostrophes

- The Shift key

And also a) please lay off the insults and b) remember that your opinion does not equal fact. Do that and you are more then welcome here.

As for Peterson being the best back you have ever seen, I'm curious as to how long you have been watching football. Peterson is good, no denying it but compared to the likes of Barry Sanders, Walter Payton, LT, Emmitt Smith and others; Peterson has only done it for a year while the rest have sustained greatness. Let's give Peterson a few years before we start to compare him to the truly great RBs (I think that he'll be in that mix one day, but that day is not now).


the insults are just a show of my frustration with some of our fans, and you attacking my grammer furthers that frustration because it has nothing to do with football......... im just shocked because runnng back is the least important thing we need in the draft or FA, yes the position is important but we have much greater needs, people are selfish and want the flashy pick and i disagee, we would have been in the playoffs this year if AJ hadnt been healthy, but if ifs and buts were candy and nuts wed all have a merry christmas, or somthing like that, i know, but we are fine in that position, defense defense defense is what we need, and offensive line drafted or not is what we need, running backs are a dime a dozen and it would be a waste..........

adrian peterson, numbers aside, injuries aside, is the best runner ive ever seen, speed, mixed with power, size and attitude, the best.......

people need to get over themselves and think of the big picture..... taylor and walker deserve the chance to prove themselves and it would be stupid not to give them that shot


edit: if they suck, which i highly doubt cuz walker was awesome when he got the ball this year and taylor just seems like a guy wed want, ill be the first to come back and say we need a new rb..... but untill then they deserve to be the guys....

Hervoyel
01-07-2008, 06:46 PM
the insults are just a show of my frustration with some of our fans, and you attacking my grammer furthers that frustration because it has nothing to do with football......... im just shocked because runnng back is the least important thing we need in the draft or FA, yes the position is important but we have much greater needs, people are selfish and want the flashy pick and i disagee, we would have been in the playoffs this year if AJ hadnt been healthy, but if ifs and buts were candy and nuts wed all have a merry christmas, or somthing like that, i know, but we are fine in that position, defense defense defense is what we need, and offensive line drafted or not is what we need, running backs are a dime a dozen and it would be a waste..........

adrian peterson, numbers aside, injuries aside, is the best runner ive ever seen, speed, mixed with power, size and attitude, the best.......

people need to get over themselves and think of the big picture..... taylor and walker deserve the chance to prove themselves and it would be stupid not to give them that shot


edit: if they suck, which i highly doubt cuz walker was awesome when he got the ball this year and taylor just seems like a guy wed want, ill be the first to come back and say we need a new rb..... but untill then they deserve to be the guys....


I'm going to go ahead and pencil you in for week 4 of next season.

Until then they can keep on being the guys for all I care. Deep down inside I suspect that unless a ton of really good backs leave school early and declare for the draft (to then be added to the already excellent group of backs in this draft) we'll probably go into next season with some more Green, Dayne, Taylor, and Walker. I'm fine with that as long as it means we drafted the LT we've been needing for what's starting to approach a decade.

ObsiWan
01-07-2008, 08:33 PM
I'm going to go ahead and pencil you in for week 4 of next season.

Until then they can keep on being the guys for all I care. Deep down inside I suspect that unless a ton of really good backs leave school early and declare for the draft (to then be added to the already excellent group of backs in this draft) we'll probably go into next season with some more Green, Dayne, Taylor, and Walker. I'm fine with that as long as it means we drafted the LT we've been needing for what's starting to approach a decade.

true dat.
We need to invest the same sort of resources in the O-line that we been investing in the d-line for the past three years.

oh and bolster the DB ranks while we're at it. Is it just me or did the fill-ins we picked up late in the season seem to perform better than the bunch who came out of training camp?

76Texan
01-08-2008, 09:11 AM
I think the only fill-in was Demps.
We traded for Boulware as we completed the 53-man roster.

Unless we're talking about Curome Cox. http://texanstalk.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

badboy
01-08-2008, 09:48 AM
Chris Taylor has the potential to be one of those "How come nobody drafted THAT guy?" backs in the right system (meaning the Denver system in this case). He needs to step up and take that job in training camp this coming season or he'll be done however. There's always another Chris Taylor waiting in the wings who could be a great back if things work out right.

Darius Walker I disagree with you on. I don't think he's anybody's future. He's a good third down back kind of guy with good vision and a nice feel for the seam and where it's going to be. He has zero "pop" when he hits the hole however and only makes that seam against poor run defenses or teams that aren't going all out (like his excellent day against Jacksonville's reserves). Against a good run defense at this level he is borderline useless as a feature back, mark my words.

Ultimately I don't think either of them will end up being the guy. I think Kubiak is looking for "the guy" even as we speak. He might even draft him. Green will come back because they hope he'll do next year what he was supposed to do this year. Dayne will come back as Green Insurance. Chris Taylor and Darius Walker will come to camp and at least one of them won't make it out of the preseason. Some back aquired either through the draft or free agency will become our featured back by week 4 of next year.

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At least that's what Carnac The Magnificent says.

I agree. Echemandou (sp) played more games than Taylor and had some instant hype also. Heck, I was rooting for him as I will for Walker and Taylor and Charles Spencer (LT for 1 1/2 games). However none of these have offered more than a glimmer and that includes Walker who got to play a few games. I want a back that will be there and get it done. Now on the topic of Ahman Green, I had to do a horse collar tackle on myself and realize that Mr. Mario Williams was hurt his first season as was Green. If Kubes gave Jerome Mathis a chance to come back after an injury season, Green will get same chance. Unfortunately, I see the team going through the same revolving door at this position again in 2008. At left tackle, at least Salaam held the position for almost two years, setting some kind of team record I think.

Grams
01-08-2008, 10:18 AM
the insults are just a show of my frustration with some of our fans, and you attacking my grammer furthers that frustration because it has nothing to do with football......... im just shocked because runnng back is the least important thing we need in the draft or FA, yes the position is important but we have much greater needs, people are selfish and want the flashy pick and i disagee, we would have been in the playoffs this year if AJ hadnt been healthy, but if ifs and buts were candy and nuts wed all have a merry christmas, or somthing like that, i know, but we are fine in that position, defense defense defense is what we need, and offensive line drafted or not is what we need, running backs are a dime a dozen and it would be a waste..........

adrian peterson, numbers aside, injuries aside, is the best runner ive ever seen, speed, mixed with power, size and attitude, the best.......

people need to get over themselves and think of the big picture..... taylor and walker deserve the chance to prove themselves and it would be stupid not to give them that shot


edit: if they suck, which i highly doubt cuz walker was awesome when he got the ball this year and taylor just seems like a guy wed want, ill be the first to come back and say we need a new rb..... but untill then they deserve to be the guys....


I have to agree with Hoth-Boy. The usage of capitialization, periods and apostrophe's sure do help us old people read your posts.

Some people tend to ignore posts with runonentences and no punctuation as this gives the impression of someone who does not know what he is talking about.

ubecool454
01-08-2008, 10:40 AM
I think Chris Taylor is an excellent young prospect who could help the Texans over the long-term at running back.

i like chris taylor too, but i like mendenhall better...nice one two punch if we can't get kenny phillips.

WesmanTexanfan
01-08-2008, 05:10 PM
I have to agree with Hoth-Boy. The usage of capitialization, periods and apostrophe's sure do help us old people read your posts.

Some people tend to ignore posts with runonentences and no punctuation as this gives the impression of someone who does not know what he is talking about.

punctuation is overrated, hey, shakespear didnt use it..... but ill work on it, i guess....... for you old people.

brakos82
01-08-2008, 05:11 PM
What's a runonentence?

The Pencil Neck
01-08-2008, 05:26 PM
punctuation is overrated, hey, shakespear didnt use it..... but ill work on it, i guess....... for you old people.

Shakespear didn't because... there's no one named Shakespear.

Shakespeare on the other hand did use punctuation. Very adeptly. He used periods and question marks and commas and all sorts of things.

Texans_Chick
01-08-2008, 05:26 PM
the insults are just a show of my frustration with some of our fans, and you attacking my grammer furthers that frustration because it has nothing to do with football......... im just shocked because runnng back is the least important thing we need in the draft or FA, yes the position is important but we have much greater needs, people are selfish and want the flashy pick and i disagee, we would have been in the playoffs this year if AJ hadnt been healthy, but if ifs and buts were candy and nuts wed all have a merry christmas, or somthing like that, i know, but we are fine in that position, defense defense defense is what we need, and offensive line drafted or not is what we need, running backs are a dime a dozen and it would be a waste..........

adrian peterson, numbers aside, injuries aside, is the best runner ive ever seen, speed, mixed with power, size and attitude, the best.......

people need to get over themselves and think of the big picture..... taylor and walker deserve the chance to prove themselves and it would be stupid not to give them that shot


edit: if they suck, which i highly doubt cuz walker was awesome when he got the ball this year and taylor just seems like a guy wed want, ill be the first to come back and say we need a new rb..... but untill then they deserve to be the guys....

On this message board, we try to attack the argument (what is being said) and not the person (who is saying it). It helps keep things focused on getting good football information.

Now back to football.

Kubiak is someone that wants to let players show that they belong. So they will get their chance if they do the work and demonstrate that they belong on the field. He is not someone who is going to let draft status or that we paid $$$ in free agency going to dictate playing time. A lot of lower round guys have done well in his offenses.....

That being said.

Taylor is a question mark. It would be nice if he could be the guy.

Walker seems to me to be a situational guy.

They will get a chance. But Kubiak also wants to get some fresh legs that won't be GTD, so given who is likely to come out in this draft, it would not surprise me if a RB was taken round 1 or 3. Actually, I could see a trade down if the right guy wasn't at 1, because the Texans have needs and not enough picks.

Smith talks about having three guys. I am guessing there will be another training camp battle at RB.

tulexan
01-08-2008, 05:39 PM
There is too much RB talent in this draft to not pick one

HJam72
01-08-2008, 05:50 PM
it; Is, possible. to: use? too, much! Punctuation, but, I don't have, that (problem). :thinking:

Texans_Chick
01-08-2008, 06:52 PM
There is too much RB talent in this draft to not pick one

I think you are right!!!!!!*












*Exclamation points in the spirit of the original post.