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CloakNNNdagger
01-03-2008, 10:53 PM
Browns and their fans are evidently fuming and, if indeed it's true, I can't much blame them.


Did Indianapolis Colts and Tennessee Titans coaches have an under-the-table agreement at the end of last Sunday's game?

Tennessee quarterback Kerry Collins said on WFAN Radio on Thursday that the Titans kneeled at the end of the game Sunday because they knew the Colts wouldn't call a timeout.

With Tennessee leading 16-10 and needing a victory to make the playoffs, the Titans had originally called a running play, Collins said. But the team changed to a kneeldown when he was told over his headset that the Colts wouldn't call a timeout, which would have possibly forced the Titans to punt with less than 20 seconds left in the game, Collins said.

"Apparently there was some communication between Jeff (Fisher) and Tony (Dungy)," Collins said on WFAN.

Fisher said he knew Dungy wouldn't use the timeout because he's so familiar with the Colts coach's thinking, the Knoxville (Tenn.) News-Sentinel reported Thursday.

"Let me just say, I knew he wasn't going to use it. Tony and I were on the competition committee for a long time," Fisher said, the newspaper reported.

The Titans coach also said the Colts would have gotten the ball back with 25 seconds left but down nine because Tennessee would have kicked another field goal, the newspaper reported.

"It didn't make any sense. They gave it their best shot," Fisher said, the News-Sentinel reported.

Dungy congratulated the Titans.

"I have to congratulate the Titans and I think it is a feather in the cap of our division to get three teams in the playoffs,” Dungy said, Colts.com reported. “They (the Titans) certainly deserve it.”

If true, the Cleveland Browns could possibly file a grievance alleging collusion, which is against NFL rules. The Browns would have made the playoffs if the Titans had lost.

Napa Auto Parts
01-04-2008, 12:19 AM
Collusion has nothing to do with this VY just Broke the Colts in to submission.:doot:

michaelm
01-04-2008, 10:50 AM
My gut feeling is that there was no collusion between the teams, but I think Dungy wasn't too concerned with winning because he preferred the tacks in the playoffs instead of the Browns...
Yeah, I know that the tacks have played well against the Colts for the last few years, but while watching the Colts/tacks game, I got the feeling that Dungy was playing it to get the tacks in instead of the Browns...
Of course, it's all speculation on my part, but that was my gut feeling at the time.

Honoring Earl 34
01-04-2008, 11:05 AM
Hey Browns .... beat the Bengals and none of this matters .

Yankee_In_TX
01-04-2008, 11:35 AM
My gut feeling is that there was no collusion between the teams, but I think Dungy wasn't too concerned with winning .


I agree. I think it's crappy in the current system a team's playoff chances may hinge on scrubs and apathetic coaching.

steelbtexan
01-04-2008, 12:09 PM
This is just anoter case of Dungy's self rightousness. Dungy is a PHONY. This messes with the integrity of the more thn SPY-GATE could possibly do. Check out Dungy's quotes about SPYGATE.

Wolf
01-04-2008, 12:12 PM
if it were the colts with the lead, they would have thrown a bomb against us :stirpot:

tulexan
01-04-2008, 12:16 PM
The Browns have no one but themselves to blame. They controlled their destiny to the playoffs and lost. When you have to rely on another team losing to a team that has nothing to play for then you risk things like this happening.

PapaL
01-04-2008, 12:29 PM
Lets see - if they run one more run play there is a possibility of someone getting hurt in a game that is A.)meaningless to Colts (and their backups) and B.)already decided.

What reason would Dungy have to call a timeout?

Browns blew it by letting backup players for the Colts decide their playoff future.

My 2 cents...

steelbtexan
01-04-2008, 12:33 PM
if it were the colts with the lead, they would have thrown a bomb against us :stirpot:

SO TRUE

Wolf
01-04-2008, 12:33 PM
exactly...browns take care of business then no "conspiracy"

ATX
01-04-2008, 01:10 PM
It is an interesting take, but I don't buy it. What's pathetic is the Titans got to play Indy's 3rd stringers to make the playoffs........while both New York and New England played starters the whole game and were basically in the same position. To me it's more about the integrity of the game than anything and Indy showed they don't care about that. The Pats and Giants showed integrity.

Texan_Bill
01-04-2008, 01:34 PM
if it were the colts with the lead, they would have thrown a bomb against us :stirpot:

That's not stirring the pot.... That's FACT!

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I wont read too much into this. Dungy probably just gestured to Fisher that he had no intentions of calling a timeout. Afterall, why would he?? Running another play in that circumstance would only increase the possibility of an injury for either team. There was absolutely nothing to be gained.

santo
01-04-2008, 01:42 PM
It is an interesting take, but I don't buy it. What's pathetic is the Titans got to play Indy's 3rd stringers to make the playoffs........while both New York and New England played starters the whole game and were basically in the same position. To me it's more about the integrity of the game than anything and Indy showed they don't care about that. The Pats and Giants showed integrity.


Probably a match against egos.

One team wanted to go undefeated, the other, to be the ones that denied them.

With that said, why do you put all of your players at risk for injury when they are both in the playoffs?

Cleveland has to man up and accept they didn't make it to the playoffs because of their own fault, not Indianapolis'.

ATX
01-04-2008, 01:47 PM
Probably a match against egos.

One team wanted to go undefeated, the other, to be the ones that denied them.

With that said, why do you put all of your players at risk for injury when they are both in the playoffs?

Cleveland has to man up and accept they didn't make it to the playoffs because of their own fault, not Indianapolis'.

Probably, and I understand the injury implications as well, but I believe in some momentum too. I bet Jax comes out flat against the Steelers and lose because of that. Just my take....

steelbtexan
01-04-2008, 02:10 PM
1. Fact Dungy let Manning bomb away all game against us
2. Fact Dungy didn't let Manning do this against the TACKS
3. Fact Dungy didn't use his last T.O. therefore didn't give his team a chance to win.
4.Fact Dungy messed with the integity of the game
5. Fact Anything Dungy saya about N.E. or Belicheck about messing with the integrity of the game is hypocrytical.
6. Fact Dungy gets a pass from the press on this stuff because he's good old Tony
7. The press is hypocritical ( Dungy vs Belicheck) (Bonds vs Clemens) & so on.

Double Barrel
01-04-2008, 02:11 PM
It seems to me that Dungy would not want the Titans in the playoffs. Nobody knows your team as well as your divisional opponents, and the Tits always play the Colts well.

I think Cleveland fans are just bitter that their team couldn't get over the hump. The AFC has been tough in that regard.

Wolf
01-04-2008, 02:23 PM
http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=article7&news_id=91f32287-ab6e-4caa-a5fc-bd2679ae1eaa

this is kinda what suprises me.. yet, I understand they had nothing to play for and don't want to risk injury to any key players

against us
Perhaps not in the standings, because as far as the standings are concerned, the Colts clinched their division and the No. 2 seed in the AFC playoffs a week ago.

And perhaps not to fans, or outsiders.

But to Dungy, in his sixth season as the Colts' head coach, the final two games of the season – and that includes Sunday afternoon’s game against the Houston Texans – matter quite a bit on a different level.

Two reasons:

• The games are division games.

• And they’re in the RCA Dome.

And those, to Dungy, are very big reasons indeed.

“Controlling the division is so important,” Dungy said this week as the AFC South Champion Colts (12-2) prepared to play the fourth-place Texans (7-7) at the RCA Dome Sunday at 1 p.m.

“You don’t want to give the other team that momentum. You don’t want to give them the sense that they’re better than you. You want to keep that mindset that you’re going to win these division games.”

The Colts, who have won the last five AFC South titles, will play host to another division team, the Tennessee Titans (8-6) in the season finale on Sunday, December 30.

This week, with the final two games meaning nothing in the standings, Dungy repeatedly answered questions about how much starters and front-line players would play, with the issue being the importance of rest versus momentum entering the postseason.

It’s an issue that annually faces teams that clinch their postseason seeding before the final game of the regular season, and an issue with which the Colts have dealt three of the past four seasons.

The Colts’ approach is to play as well as possible while getting as healthy as possible, Dungy said.


I am not saying that the Colts should have taken it easy on us ,but like DB said.. Titans play Colts tough and to get them in the playoffs where they might possibly meet is dangerous... just one of those games where stats can be thrown out the window when it comes to Colts-Titans

Lucky
01-04-2008, 02:24 PM
Probably, and I understand the injury implications as well, but I believe in some momentum too. I bet Jax comes out flat against the Steelers and lose because of that. Just my take....
Yeah, but the Steelers played like crap in their last game. Where's their momentum coming from?

I once thought the Colts were classy. But after the pumped in crowd noise (I'm not buying the tape feed excuse), all of the whining Dungy gave the refs in week 16 (when he was getting so many favorable calls), and now this...no class.

Blazing Arrow
01-04-2008, 02:58 PM
It would have given the colts maybe 25 seconds to play and try to charge down the field. What would the point be. They needed a TD. Not like Sorgi had done anything at all in the game to show he could have gotten the team down the field. Add to that that all of the main WR core was on the bench. It would make no sense to call a TO and try to push it down the field. If the Colts had to win sure I might see it but it would have taken a miracle.

Texan_Bill
01-04-2008, 03:04 PM
It would have given the colts maybe 25 seconds to play and try to charge down the field. What would the point be. They needed a TD. Not like Sorgi had done anything at all in the game to show he could have gotten the team down the field. Add to that that all of the main WR core was on the bench. It would make no sense to call a TO and try to push it down the field. If the Colts had to win sure I might see it but it would have taken a miracle.

Like an illegal forward lateral errrrrrrrrrrr "Music City Miracle"????

disaacks3
01-04-2008, 03:17 PM
The way I see it is that Dungy's job is to do what makes the most sense for HIS team going into the playoffs...nothing more, nothing less.

This isn't like he started the game w/ "Sorgi & the misfits" and finished w/ Billy the waterboy & any practice squad rejects he could find.

Cleveland needed to take care of their own business and not worry about the goodwill of others. Had they done so, they could've been in the mix too.

Blazing Arrow
01-04-2008, 03:35 PM
Like an illegal forward lateral errrrrrrrrrrr "Music City Miracle"????

Only people so full of hate or who had no clue about football rules still think that is was a forward lateral. Even after review on the field and after the game the call stood.

Wolf
01-04-2008, 03:37 PM
Only people so full of hate or who had not clue about football rules still think that is was a forward lateral. Even after review on the field and after the game the call stood.

we know that was a make up call after Don Beebe's foot was out of bounds in buffalo on that fateful day many years ago

:joker:

Blazing Arrow
01-04-2008, 03:39 PM
we know that was a make up call after Don Beebe's foot was out of bounds in buffalo on that fateful day many years ago

:joker:

Lets not speak of that day.

Texan_Bill
01-04-2008, 03:40 PM
Only people so full of hate or who had not clue about football rules still think that is was a forward lateral. Even after review on the field and after the game the call stood.

Pretty sure you don't want to talk about knowledge of the game with me, so we will go with the 'hate' option. I have never..... EVER masked my hatred for Bud 'the bad rug' Adams and his Tinnbreds! Have I???

Yes, the call did stand and unfortunately that wouldn't be and hasn't been the last blown call in the NFL.

CloakNNNdagger
01-04-2008, 03:46 PM
In the big picture, the more likely reason for this "integrity breach" did not start with the high sign of no TO being called, but with the mentality of approaching this last game with the Tacks. Dungy knew from the beginning, he was not fielding a competitive team, certainly not one that would be apt to be promising for victory. This game seemed to be played with the apparent intent to be lost. Why? Very likely, Dungy felt the Tacks rather than the Browns had a much better chance to beat San Diego..........certainly, a team they didn't want to repeat history with again........Dungy would take his chances facing the Tacks again...........

Blazing Arrow
01-04-2008, 03:51 PM
Yes, the call did stand and unfortunately that wouldn't be and hasn't been the last blown call in the NFL.

Why for the Texans does it always come down to a blown call, cheap shot, injury, etc....

Seriosuly with the amount of whine that comes out of Houston you would think they would rival the Napa Valley. :whip:

Specnatz
01-04-2008, 04:37 PM
Why for the Texans does it always come down to a blown call, cheap shot, injury, etc....

Seriosuly with the amount of whine that comes out of Houston you would think they would rival the Napa Valley. :whip:

Is that any better than hanging all your glory on 1 yard short and saying well at least ..........

Texan_Bill
01-04-2008, 04:40 PM
Why for the Texans does it always come down to a blown call, cheap shot, injury, etc....

Seriosuly with the amount of whine that comes out of Houston you would think they would rival the Napa Valley. :whip:

Again... I do not use injuries as an excuse.
Second, 'Fat Albert' is a cheap shot artist.
Last, your team (when it was my team) knows first hand about bad calls (see Mike Renfro in Pittsburgh), however, since this blown call (MusicCityMiracle) had no bearing on me or my team, I could look at it objectively..... Call was blown. PERIOD.

Blazing Arrow
01-04-2008, 04:45 PM
Is that any better than hanging all your glory on 1 yard short and saying well at least ..........

"well at least" we had a shot ...

The Texans Holy Grail ... a .500 season.

powerfuldragon
01-04-2008, 05:10 PM
i wouldn't doubt it. both teams' employees (except the head coaches) are a bunch of scumbags/slimeballs/whiners/narcissists/etc. :specnatz:

Texan_Bill
01-04-2008, 05:12 PM
"well at least" we had a shot ...

The Texans Holy Grail ... a .500 season.

*ahem*.... There was never 'a shot'!!

That was just a cruel joke that God was playing on the anti-Christ errrrrrrr Dud

Second Honeymoon
01-04-2008, 05:16 PM
"well at least" we had a shot ...

The Texans Holy Grail ... a .500 season.

you think the Texans are satisfied with 8-8? cmon. you really believe that?

congrats to the Titans for controlling their own destiny and winning in Indy. Just don't act like your **** don't stink and that the Titans are in so much better shape than the Texans. Your 2 years removed from a 3-13 season and your lucky that Fisher somehow manages to squeeze wins out of that depleted and underfunded roster. I would fix your own house before you start throwing stones at ours. Titans made the playoffs. Total props maybe even an upset v. the Chargers. who knows.

But at the end of the season you will be just like 31 other teams who didn't win the Super Bowl and you will be looking to 2008. Our future looks pretty damn bright, I don't know if I could say the same for the Titan's future. Your GM is horrible, your offensive talent is embarassing, and Big Al is a free agent. To be relevant, you have to fix that before you can start running smack.

as for the collusion conspiracy. give me a break. browns had control of their own destiny but lost to Cincy. The titans controlled their destiny and beat the team that was lined up against them in week 17. Props.

Honoring Earl 34
01-04-2008, 05:33 PM
"well at least" we had a shot ...

The Texans Holy Grail ... a .500 season.

Well ... before you got our hand me downs ... we watched the Oilers in the playoffs . Wish y'all could have been there .

You are an Albert Haynesworth ( I got my contract party time ... come on pacman ) away from being so so .

Double Barrel
01-04-2008, 05:34 PM
Well ... before you got our hand me downs ... we watched the Oilers in the playoffs . Wish y'all could have been there .

You are an Albert Haynesworth ( I got my contract party time come on pacman ) away from being soso .

Well, to be fair, BA was on the Oilers bandwagon before they chumped themselves into the Titans. Or so he says...I've only known the dude for a few months now. :shades:

Blazing Arrow
01-04-2008, 05:36 PM
*ahem*.... There was never 'a shot'!!

That was just a cruel joke that God was playing on the anti-Christ errrrrrrr Dud

If the refs could have pulled there heads out there arses and given us the TO called by the S we would never have allowed the swing pass to Faulk. It is neither here nor there but do not pretend we had no shot. One yards is allot closer then any Texans team has even gotten to a winning season much less a Super Bowl appearance.

Blazing Arrow
01-04-2008, 05:38 PM
Well, to be fair, BA was on the Oilers bandwagon before they chumped themselves into the Titans. Or so he says...I've only known the dude for a few months now. :shades:

Lol ... you have no idea how much shat talk I have taken and am still taking about the game which will not be mentioned. Everytime I goto to the local video store one person seems to think it is funny to bring over a copy of the "NFL's Greatest Comebacks" ... can you guess who is on the cover? :bat:

Specnatz
01-04-2008, 05:52 PM
Why for the Texans does it always come down to a blown call, cheap shot, injury, etc....
Seriosuly with the amount of whine that comes out of Houston you would think they would rival the Napa Valley. :whip:

If the refs could have pulled there heads out there arses and given us the TO called by the S we would never have allowed the swing pass to Faulk. It is neither here nor there but do not pretend we had no shot. One yards is allot closer then any Texans team has even gotten to a winning season much less a Super Bowl appearance.

Who is whinning more than a "Leave Britney alone" youtube video now?

Honoring Earl 34
01-04-2008, 05:57 PM
Lol ... you have no idea how much shat talk I have taken and am still taking about the game which will not be mentioned. Everytime I goto to the local video store one person seems to think it is funny to bring over a copy of the "NFL's Greatest Comebacks" ... can you guess who is on the cover? :bat:

As a person who has lived in the Houston vicinity for 44 years , I say those choking dog $*%^% are yours .

I do like Fisher ... wished Bud would have let him walk . Maybe he could have hired Cam Cameron .

Blazing Arrow
01-04-2008, 06:07 PM
Who is whinning more than a "Leave Britney alone" youtube video now?

That works better if you had not also quoted my next sentence but thanks for trying ...

ATX
01-05-2008, 01:24 AM
"well at least" we had a shot ...

The Texans Holy Grail ... a .500 season.

This is like making fun of a 6 year old because he hasn't scored with a chick yet, while the 47 year old has tried and tried always coming up close, but in the end they're both virgins. So who is the loser? The 6 year old or the 47 year old who got close once? Atleast there is hope for the 6 year old. :pirate:

Blazing Arrow
01-05-2008, 01:48 AM
This is like making fun of a 6 year old because he hasn't scored with a chick yet, while the 47 year old has tried and tried always coming up close, but in the end they're both virgins. So who is the loser? The 6 year old or the 47 year old who got close once? Atleast there is hope for the 6 year old. :pirate:

What gives your team hope?

BTW the league is rittled with "virgins" as you call them. Not as many dorks who can not even get a date much less talk to a girl ... to keep within your analogy.

Double Barrel
01-05-2008, 02:48 AM
What gives your team hope?

8-8 and a defensive end that is going to have your mediocre QB for lunch the next several years.

You can laugh at an expansion team's struggles all you want, but the fact remains that your franchise has no more championships in it's long history than ours in it's very short existence.

yeah, one loser calling another a loser. That works... :potkettle:

ATX
01-05-2008, 03:01 AM
What gives your team hope?

BTW the league is rittled with "virgins" as you call them. Not as many dorks who can not even get a date much less talk to a girl ... to keep within your analogy.

Yes yes, many virgins in the league......tell me something I don't know. We're one of the youngest, and you're one of the oldest. We'll still score before you get social security though. :texflag:

michaelm
01-05-2008, 10:18 AM
What gives your team hope?

BTW the league is rittled with "virgins" as you call them. Not as many dorks who can not even get a date much less talk to a girl ... to keep within your analogy.

In sports, the ultimate way to end a conversation is for the winning team to simply say "scoreboard" to the losing team... it should pretty much end any further conversation on a given subject...

I will apply it as follows:

You have Bud.
We DON"T have Bud.

SCOREBOARD

Bulluck53
01-05-2008, 07:26 PM
If Dungy calls that timeout then Bironas hits the FG to put the Titans up by 9 (two posessions) with < 30sec remaining. There would be no point.

Speedy
01-05-2008, 08:27 PM
I agree. I think it's crappy in the current system a team's playoff chances may hinge on scrubs and apathetic coaching.

I don't think it's crappy at all. The Browns playoff chances didn't hinge on the Titans-Colts. All they had to do was win a football game. They didn't. They stay home.

I'm pissed at the Browns for not winning and giving the Inbreds of Uranus life.

WesmanTexanfan
01-05-2008, 08:29 PM
Hey Browns .... beat the Bengals and none of this matters .

right, that game was pathetic

GlassHalfFull
01-05-2008, 10:05 PM
I don't think it's crappy at all. The Browns playoff chances didn't hinge on the Titans-Colts. All they had to do was win a football game. They didn't. They stay home.

I'm pissed at the Browns for not winning and giving the Inbreds of Uranus life.

Exactly. Rep on the way

CloakNNNdagger
01-14-2008, 09:34 AM
IF the Dolts DID indeed threw the Tacks a bone because they believed that the Browns had a lesser chance to knock off the Chargers in the playoffs...............it certainly BACKFIRED........:shades:

ATRAIN
01-14-2008, 09:51 AM
Colts got firsthand what Karma does for lying down for the Titans. Good for them!! Im glad they lost.