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dickieb
01-02-2008, 10:33 AM
What moves should we make in free agency? I think it would be wise to go after some defensive playmakers.

I would like to see us go after Asante Samuel the CB from New England. I hope we get a quality guy at CB or Saftey although we are definately thinner at CB with Robinson being down.

TEXANS84
01-02-2008, 10:34 AM
Justin Fargas, FA RB Oakland. Cut Green.

ATRAIN
01-02-2008, 10:37 AM
Justin Fargas, FA RB Oakland. Cut Green.



No way Fargas is garbage. Does anyone have a free agent list?

Brandon420tx
01-02-2008, 10:37 AM
If seattle cuts him >.> Jason Babin.

Brandon420tx
01-02-2008, 10:37 AM
No way Fargas is garbage. Does anyone have a free agent list?

Fargas isn't garbage, and Oakland will re-sign him unless he flat out says no.

ATRAIN
01-02-2008, 10:39 AM
Fargas isn't garbage, and Oakland will re-sign him unless he flat out says no.



I would rather have Turner.

Brandon420tx
01-02-2008, 10:42 AM
I would rather have Turner.

Just because you would rather have Turner, doesn't make Fargas garbage.

Turner would be nice, but I just don't want to pay for him and would be perfectly happy with Fargas.

dickieb
01-02-2008, 10:43 AM
I would rather draft a RB after our luck last year and since our history of getting used running backs hasn't faired so well.

ATRAIN
01-02-2008, 10:44 AM
Just because you would rather have Turner, doesn't make Fargas garbage.

Turner would be nice, but I just don't want to pay for him and would be perfectly happy with Fargas.



Yeah haha I guess Im just a little biased. Fargas had a decent year, maybe its just blinds me with the fact that he is a Raider. I don't see him as a premiere back though.

ATRAIN
01-02-2008, 10:45 AM
I would rather draft a RB after our luck last year and since our history of getting used running backs hasn't faired so well.



That would prob be the best bet.

ATRAIN
01-02-2008, 10:51 AM
would anyone like to see Briggs come over?

Brandon420tx
01-02-2008, 10:55 AM
would anyone like to see Briggs come over?

The obvious answer is yes, the trick is finding the diamonds in the rough.

LORK 88
01-02-2008, 11:16 AM
Eugene Wilson, FS, New England
Drayton Florence, CB, San Diego
Kawika Mitchell, SLB, New York
Justin Fargas, RB, Oakland
Justin Smith, DE, Cincy
Ryan Lilja, OG, Indy

As far as our needs go, I list them as: RB, FS, CB, SLB, pass rushing DE, and OL depth. If we can sign 3 (maybe 4) of the 6 players above along with some other players, I think we put ourselves in good position going into the draft.

b0ng
01-02-2008, 11:37 AM
Eugene Wilson, FS, New England
Drayton Florence, CB, San Diego
Kawika Mitchell, SLB, New York
Justin Fargas, RB, Oakland
Justin Smith, DE, Cincy
Ryan Lilja, OG, Indy

As far as our needs go, I list them as: RB, FS, CB, SLB, pass rushing DE, and OL depth. If we can sign 3 (maybe 4) of the 6 players above along with some other players, I think we put ourselves in good position going into the draft.

I thought Kawika broke his leg on Saturday vs the Pats? Call me a big party pooper but I really don't see why everybody around here is so in love with Justin Fargas. He's an alright player, but he doesn't have that feature back quality like LT, Willie Parker, or Marshawn Lynch has. I think he will probably stay with the Raiders, and they will continue to plod along developing their offensive game. Also, who is Justin Smith, and isn't the D-line for Cincy just godawful bad?

My Picks
Randall Gay CB
Lance Briggs OLB
Any O-linemen not named Faneca

LORK 88
01-02-2008, 12:34 PM
I thought Kawika broke his leg on Saturday vs the Pats? Call me a big party pooper but I really don't see why everybody around here is so in love with Justin Fargas. He's an alright player, but he doesn't have that feature back quality like LT, Willie Parker, or Marshawn Lynch has. I think he will probably stay with the Raiders, and they will continue to plod along developing their offensive game. Also, who is Justin Smith, and isn't the D-line for Cincy just godawful bad?

My Picks
Randall Gay CB
Lance Briggs OLB
Any O-linemen not named Faneca
Kawika sprained his MCL, he's day to day. I think he'd be good because he plays SLB and can do alittle bit more in coverage and blitzing. Fargas is definitely interesting because he would give us speed at RB that we've never had. I personally want us to draft Mendenhall or Stewart R1, but wouldn't be upset with Fargas at all. As for Justin Smith, he's flying under the radar because of a bad year. He's stout against the run (like Weaver), and usually gets around 6-7 sacks a season. Being the only decent player on the DLine, he got quite a bit of extra attention. Imagine what he would be able to do having a 1 on 1 match up because teams are worried about Mario and Okoye.

As for Gay, I think he could be solid for us. It would be pretty funny if he replaced Faggins so that the headling could read "Faggins Out, Gay In". As for Briggs, this guy is going to demand a serious salary and I don't think we feel the need to pay him the most an LB has ever seen. And lastly, I agree with anyone who doesn't fit the ZBS (like you mentioned, Faneca).

hookinreds
01-02-2008, 12:49 PM
would anyone like to see Briggs come over?

I think Briggs is a good LB in the 4-6 as it suits his talents, but don't know how he would fair transitioning to our scheme. To me, that would be a higher priced chance for me to take. He's good, but would he be that much better than a LB that is playing in a similar scheme as us and cheaper? I'm all for paying for talent, but think we could spend it on a better option. I might be wrong...just a gut feeling about him looking good in the 4-6.

Lucky
01-02-2008, 12:50 PM
I would like to see the Texans go after a veteran CB who doesn't break the bank. A RG who can stand up to the Hendersons & Haynesworths. Maybe a 3rd down pass rushing specialist (if one is available).

threetoedpete
01-02-2008, 01:06 PM
I like the Gay pick as well. Doesn't break the bank and he has the CHANCE to be come a very productive player. The patties will tag someone. If they let Samuel walk...which they have already promised they would...I bet they tag Gay. Briggs and Samuels both are in that "we're one player away from the super bowl guys" pile. I don't think anyone in here is posting that. Gotta be pateint.

LORK 88
01-02-2008, 01:27 PM
I like the Gay pick as well. Doesn't break the bank and he has the CHANCE to be come a very productive player. The patties will tag someone. If they let Samuel walk...which they have already promised they would...I bet they tag Gay. Briggs and Samuels both are in that "we're one player away from the super bowl guys" pile. I don't think anyone in here is posting that. Gotta be pateint.
They'd have to be crazy to tag Gay, he would get the top 5 CB's salaries averaged together for next year aka he'd get a 1 year, $8 million dollar contract.

threetoedpete
01-02-2008, 01:33 PM
Even the wolf in New England has to have front line corners Lork, doesn't he ?

Every time I post he is going to move down with dallas every one acts like I'm outta my mind. He can't stand pat. Static is death in the NFL.

ATRAIN
01-02-2008, 01:49 PM
Are we going to re-sign Andre Davis?

threetoedpete
01-02-2008, 01:53 PM
Are we going to re-sign Andre Davis?

As long as his agent doesn't have a mask on and the pistol drawn, I'd say that's a prety safe bet. Offenvise palymakers is no longer a major need. They've got them. Kubiak is still looking for his Terrel Davis.

SF49erFaithful
01-02-2008, 04:30 PM
Briggs is going to be a 49er. Nolan tried trading for him this year and almost got the deal done but they didn't get it done in time or something along those lines. Nolan tried the same thing with Clements last year, and we all know that when he wants a FA, he's going to get him.

But here's a general list of the best players set to be FA's:


Terrell Suggs

Albert Haynesworth
Michael Boley
Lance Briggs
Gibril Wilson
Eugene Wilson
Flozell Adams
Justin Smiley
Justin Smith
Asante Samuel
Corey Williams
Jared Allen


A lot of those guys will probably be resigned, but so far it looks like it could be a pretty good FA class. Especially if some big name WRs like Roy Williams or Chad Johnson are cut.

Dallas_Texan
01-02-2008, 04:56 PM
Briggs is going to be a 49er. Nolan tried trading for him this year and almost got the deal done but they didn't get it done in time or something along those lines. Nolan tried the same thing with Clements last year, and we all know that when he wants a FA, he's going to get him.

But here's a general list of the best players set to be FA's:


Terrell Suggs

Albert Haynesworth
Michael Boley
Lance Briggs
Gibril Wilson
Eugene Wilson
Flozell Adams
Justin Smiley
Justin Smith
Asante Samuel
Corey Williams
Jared Allen


A lot of those guys will probably be resigned, but so far it looks like it could be a pretty good FA class. Especially if some big name WRs like Roy Williams or Chad Johnson are cut..

You know Haynesworth and Flozell will be Franchised though. I wouldn't mind some of those others though....especially Samuel.

Texans Horror
01-02-2008, 04:59 PM
A couple weeks ago, i was thinking RB would be free-agented, only because there are a lot of FA running backs with bonified pedigrees out there on the market. But the stuff I'm reading in the chronicle has Kubiak saying he wants a young, healthy running back. I may be reading too much, and it's only about day three of the offseason, but if that is the goal then I think their goal is to draft a running back in the first and rotate him in with Dayne and Green.

That leaves cornerbacks and safeties for FA. Samuel is the easy pick. I need to hear more to give a better guesstimation of who the Texans might FA for a cornerback/safety.

Personally, I think they've got it backwards. Get the RB in FA and draft the safety/CB.

TEXANRED
01-02-2008, 08:28 PM
Since this is make believe I am going to pull out my Maddenesk GM play and pick up the following FA's:

Haynsworth
Briggs
Samuels
Jarred
and then make a deal for Chad Johnson.

Can you say division winners?

Second Honeymoon
01-02-2008, 09:05 PM
I doubt the Bengals will be able to do anything but franchise Justin Smith (which I doubt they will do). He would be expensive but he has a good motor and might be a good yin to Mario's yang. I think Samuels is just going to be too much money on the open market.

The big question is whether or not the Titans and Bills spend their cap money this offseason. If they do, it could be slim pickens around the FA waters. Both owners are cheapskates so they will probably just pocket the money like they did last year.

The1ApplePie
01-02-2008, 10:21 PM
Samuel is a system CB, so no thanks (Jason David says hello)
Fargas has been an injury prone scrub, and was next to worthless except his contract year
Turner= Chargers O-Line and Neal

Suggs would be the best "Big Name" because he can fix both the OLB and pass rushing DE holes

bigbrewster2000
01-03-2008, 08:53 AM
A couple weeks ago, i was thinking RB would be free-agented, only because there are a lot of FA running backs with bonified pedigrees out there on the market. But the stuff I'm reading in the chronicle has Kubiak saying he wants a young, healthy running back. I may be reading too much, and it's only about day three of the offseason, but if that is the goal then I think their goal is to draft a running back in the first and rotate him in with Dayne and Green.

That leaves cornerbacks and safeties for FA. Samuel is the easy pick. I need to hear more to give a better guesstimation of who the Texans might FA for a cornerback/safety.

Personally, I think they've got it backwards. Get the RB in FA and draft the safety/CB.
No, I think that pretty much you have it backwards. RB's typically can play at a high level straight out of college, and the exact opposite is typically true of safties in particular and to a bit lesser degree CB. Getting a vet CB IMO should be a priority and Florence fron San Diego fits that bill without breaking the bank. As far as safties are concerned I don't really like any of the FA's that are available. JMO.

Stewart or Mendenhall in the 1st, so we wont have to worry about RB in FA. I mean if we are going to take a chance on a RB I would rather it be someone we drafted. We really dont know crap about Michael Turner, and I think he is a FA nightmare waiting to happen. And I think Fargas is just a guy and we have a roster full of those.

BigBull17
01-03-2008, 04:27 PM
A couple weeks ago, i was thinking RB would be free-agented, only because there are a lot of FA running backs with bonified pedigrees out there on the market. But the stuff I'm reading in the chronicle has Kubiak saying he wants a young, healthy running back. I may be reading too much, and it's only about day three of the offseason, but if that is the goal then I think their goal is to draft a running back in the first and rotate him in with Dayne and Green.

That leaves cornerbacks and safeties for FA. Samuel is the easy pick. I need to hear more to give a better guesstimation of who the Texans might FA for a cornerback/safety.

Personally, I think they've got it backwards. Get the RB in FA and draft the safety/CB.

I would rather sign a CB or Safty than a RB in FA. Its so hit or miss with RB that you dont want to throw that much money in a big dolla FA. Its like oline, build through the draft. I like the word jumble in Oakland at CB a little better than Samuels(Ashko;lbiouub).

HOU-TEX
01-03-2008, 04:39 PM
I would rather sign a CB or Safty than a RB in FA. Its so hit or miss with RB that you dont want to throw that much money in a big dolla FA. Its like oline, build through the draft. I like the word jumble in Oakland at CB a little better than Samuels(Ashko;lbiouub).

I can agree with this. Additionally, the RB position has been said to be one of the easier to learn when making the transition into the NFL. Including the fact that a RB's NFL life is usually shorter than most other positions.

I still don't think we'll use our #1 on a RB, but possibly a #3.:cool:

whiskeyrbl
01-03-2008, 06:09 PM
Terrel Suggs
Randall Gay
Travelle Wharton
Gibril Wilson

BigBull17
01-03-2008, 06:46 PM
I can agree with this. Additionally, the RB position has been said to be one of the easier to learn when making the transition into the NFL. Including the fact that a RB's NFL life is usually shorter than most other positions.

I still don't think we'll use our #1 on a RB, but possibly a #3.:cool:

Yeah, its been kinda proven that you can get quality backs in the later rounds. More so than say LT.

steelbtexan
01-03-2008, 06:56 PM
Free agents I would like them to look @.
DE's Justin Smith, Paul Spicer
CB's Marcus Trufant, Drayton Florence
Safties Gibril Wilson, Eugene Wilson
LB's Micheal Boley

If we could sign 3 of these guys we could draft our LT. RB & C.
My prefrence of players we could sign & stay under the cap would be Trufant, G.Wilson & Spicer

steelbtexan
01-03-2008, 06:59 PM
We also need to resign Will Demps, A. Davis, Clark & Hutchins.

LORK 88
01-03-2008, 10:16 PM
Even the wolf in New England has to have front line corners Lork, doesn't he ?

Every time I post he is going to move down with dallas every one acts like I'm outta my mind. He can't stand pat. Static is death in the NFL.
New England never over-pays players. Their have the mentality that they can win without you and you are replaceable (except Brady). Happened with Deon Branch.

bigbrewster2000
01-04-2008, 09:46 AM
We also need to resign Will Demps, A. Davis, Clark & Hutchins.
Why do we need to re sign Hutchins? If we go after a CB in free agency he becomes instantly expendable. He didnt do anything that makes me think he is a must sign guy. I agree with the rest of those guys though.

Dallas_Texan
01-04-2008, 10:02 AM
We also need to resign Will Demps, A. Davis, Clark & Hutchins.

What's the official status on DROB....isn't he a FA, or is he already resigned??

tulexan
01-04-2008, 10:08 AM
A couple weeks ago, i was thinking RB would be free-agented, only because there are a lot of FA running backs with bonified pedigrees out there on the market. But the stuff I'm reading in the chronicle has Kubiak saying he wants a young, healthy running back. I may be reading too much, and it's only about day three of the offseason, but if that is the goal then I think their goal is to draft a running back in the first and rotate him in with Dayne and Green.


I was thinking the same thing. Of the three need positions that he listed, running back has the shortest learning curve. I think we are going to try to sign a corner back in free agency, draft a running back in the first round, and draft a OT in the 3rd round. We might also try to sign a OT in free agency, but I don't think we will go after anyone big. I think Kubiak is going to now implement his ZBS line and wants to get his kind of guys in there.

steelbtexan
01-04-2008, 10:29 AM
Why do we need to re sign Hutchins? If we go after a CB in free agency he becomes instantly expendable. He didnt do anything that makes me think he is a must sign guy. I agree with the rest of those guys though.

He provides versatility Cb./S (a good backup 4th corner type). He should provide cheap depth.

The Pencil Neck
01-04-2008, 10:29 AM
What's the official status on DROB....isn't he a FA, or is he already resigned??

He's signed through 2008. So, next year is his contract year and he's probably going to miss most of it.

badboy
01-04-2008, 10:39 AM
I was thinking the same thing. Of the three need positions that he listed, running back has the shortest learning curve. I think we are going to try to sign a corner back in free agency, draft a running back in the first round, and draft a OT in the 3rd round. We might also try to sign a OT in free agency, but I don't think we will go after anyone big. I think Kubiak is going to now implement his ZBS line and wants to get his kind of guys in there.Any idea what LT is available in free agency? I do not know of any that would be worth a shot. In third, Mike McGlynn 6'5"318lbs 5.25 Pittsburgh and U.Texas Tony Hills 6'6" 305lbs 5.16 are projected as 3rd round but McGlynn might already be gone by our pick. That is why I'd go LT in 1st & pick up RB in 3rd. I see more RBs projected lower that could benefit team. If a trade getting a 2nd is done, then I'd be ok with an RB in first. I agree that RB,LT and CB are our biggest needs and to cover the three with best three players can get= LT, RB and CB in FA or lower round of draft.

badboy
01-04-2008, 10:41 AM
He provides versatility Cb./S (a good backup 4th corner type). He should provide cheap depth.I agree. Faggins appears to be shell shocked and has a more tenuous hold on a roster spot.

tulexan
01-04-2008, 10:46 AM
Any idea what LT is available in free agency? I do not know of any that would be worth a shot. In third, Mike McGlynn 6'5"318lbs 5.25 Pittsburgh and U.Texas Tony Hills 6'6" 305lbs 5.16 are projected as 3rd round but McGlynn might already be gone by our pick. That is why I'd go LT in 1st & pick up RB in 3rd. I see more RBs projected lower that could benefit team. If a trade getting a 2nd is done, then I'd be ok with an RB in first. I agree that RB,LT and CB are our biggest needs and to cover the three with best three players can get= LT, RB and CB in FA or lower round of draft.

I have no idea which linemen they would go after, I just have a feeling it won't be a big name like Faneca. Probably more depth with potential players like Butler, Black, and the new center we just picked up.

steelbtexan
01-04-2008, 10:51 AM
I was thinking the same thing. Of the three need positions that he listed, running back has the shortest learning curve. I think we are going to try to sign a corner back in free agency, draft a running back in the first round, and draft a OT in the 3rd round. We might also try to sign a OT in free agency, but I don't think we will go after anyone big. I think Kubiak is going to now implement his ZBS line and wants to get his kind of guys in there.

I want us to draft a O-LT in the 1st rd. Look @ the teams in the playoffs & their O-LT's Indy (Ugoh 2nd) S.D. (Mc Neil 2nd) Sea.(Jones 1st) N.E.(Light 2nd) Jac. (Barnes 2nd) Dal. (Adams 2nd). I hope everyone sees the value of drafting a O-LT in rounds 1or 2.

badboy
01-04-2008, 10:57 AM
I have no idea which linemen they would go after, I just have a feeling it won't be a big name like Faneca. Probably more depth with potential players like Butler, Black, and the new center we just picked up. Faneca will be a high priced guard. No LT will be there. All I can say for Jordan Black is he knows the system and did not get cut during the season. For me the only option of any measurement is a CB in Free Agency.

beerlover
01-04-2008, 11:04 AM
I was thinking the same thing. Of the three need positions that he listed, running back has the shortest learning curve. I think we are going to try to sign a corner back in free agency, draft a running back in the first round, and draft a OT in the 3rd round. We might also try to sign a OT in free agency, but I don't think we will go after anyone big. I think Kubiak is going to now implement his ZBS line and wants to get his kind of guys in there.

Ditto

the free agency process is going to be exciting who the Texans target, will they go after big dollar, above average players @ positions of need? CB/OT would require a substantial investment possibly including overpaying or under the radar gems (what I expect of Rick Smith)? If Rick does compete for the servies of the best UFA's he'll want a player coming into his prime with a long solid career still ahead. I would be elated with Carolina UFA Jordan Gross who can guard or tackle. At CB (wishfull thinking) sign Nnamdi Asomugha away from the Raiders.

TheRealJoker
01-04-2008, 11:55 AM
Asomugha is my top CB due to his age and potential as a lockdown CB. Nobody wants to throw his way.

I wouldn't touch Samuel, he's getting a truckload of money that can be better served elsewhere.

I'm interested in Trufant, he's battle tested having to face the WRs in Arizona and St. Louis 2x a year respectively and should be able to hold his own against whoever he's lined up against the Colts and shouldn't have a problem with any of the Titans or Jags WRs.

Unfortunately due to the fact these guys are gonna get tons of money I think we're gonna end up signing a bandaid like Florance and hope that DRob can make a full recovery while we spread our cap money out across the board.

IMO though I think we have the room to spare to make a splash with a Asomugha or Trufant signing. Even if DRob comes back 100% we still need 3 quality CBs to beat the Colts and these 2 guys would also help improve our takeaway #s, something else we need to improve to win in the AFC South.

Lucky
01-04-2008, 12:21 PM
...I think we're gonna end up signing a bandaid like Florance and hope that DRob can make a full recovery while we spread our cap money out across the board.
Florence? The Texans aren't going to sign the guy who gave their QB a cheap shot.

I think you can forget the high priced CBs. The Texans don't know if Dunta will or won't make a comeback. The best avenue is to take a vet CB and sign him to a short contract with incentives. There may be some corners who aren't FA's now, but could be on the market due to salary cap cuts. The two CBs in KC, Law & Surtain, come to mind.

TheRealJoker
01-04-2008, 01:15 PM
Florence? The Texans aren't going to sign the guy who gave their QB a cheap shot.

I think you can forget the high priced CBs. The Texans don't know if Dunta will or won't make a comeback. The best avenue is to take a vet CB and sign him to a short contract with incentives. There may be some corners who aren't FA's now, but could be on the market due to salary cap cuts. The two CBs in KC, Law & Surtain, come to mind.


I said a CB LIKE Florance...similar ratings and what-not...

The Pencil Neck
01-04-2008, 01:58 PM
We need to bring Echemandu back.

Then we need to have him talk to his cousin and convince him to come here and join him.

Asomugha is his cousin. (Or something like that.)

leebigeztx
01-05-2008, 05:41 PM
nnamdi would be 1st on my list along with suggs. draft phillips. u don't want a franchise end that hasn't had more than 8 sacks on a terrible defense. I like kearse after he gets cut for a reduced rate. maybe mccallister from ravens get cut , sign hin and paly him at saefty. what do u guys think about boulware moving back to lb? that was his natural position in college. I aslo like the lb from virgiani tech. the defense still needs to become stout against the run and get pressure. a guy that also should be better this yr, is mike doss formwely of the colts. he can come in and play safety along with demps or phillips. I thought they should have drafted tenard jackson in the 5th last yr.

shawn76ers
01-06-2008, 02:58 AM
with all the talk around briggs...is he a Strong OLB or Weak OLB......i feel personally that M. Greenwood, hurt us this yr-how many times are we going to allow him get burned by D. Clark

thunderkyss
01-06-2008, 03:20 AM
Even with Dunta in the line-up, we are weak at the CB position.

We need to be looking at Corners in FA, and the draft. I'd take Florence(this is business), Trufant, or Asomugha, and still look to draft a corner in the first.

Then, I'd try to get Javon Walker... yeah, Javon Walker.

Rock N Randy
01-06-2008, 05:48 PM
Best talent for ur buck. There both some what young still and are good cover corners.

Trufant or Asomugha

I would like us to go after Jared Allen...I know we have put alot in the DLine but im not happy with Anthony Weaver. He has a huge contract $$$ and i would rather pay someone else hat kind of money that actually produces.

It would be nice to se these players in a Texans uni
Terrell Suggs, Karlos Dansby, Paul Spicer

My FA sleepers that i would like to see the texans try out...
OG Elton Brown RFA Arizona Cardinals
DL Mike Rucker UFA Carolina Panthers

dalemurphy
01-06-2008, 09:00 PM
Best talent for ur buck. There both some what young still and are good cover corners.

Trufant or Asomugha

I would like us to go after Jared Allen...I know we have put alot in the DLine but im not happy with Anthony Weaver. He has a huge contract $$$ and i would rather pay someone else hat kind of money that actually produces.

It would be nice to se these players in a Texans uni
Terrell Suggs, Karlos Dansby, Paul Spicer

My FA sleepers that i would like to see the texans try out...
OG Elton Brown RFA Arizona Cardinals
DL Mike Rucker UFA Carolina Panthers


I'd really like Dansby. He can play strong or weakside linebacker and could also play RDE on passing downs. He is a definite playmaker at the linebacker position.

steelbtexan
01-06-2008, 09:46 PM
I forgot about Dansby, he's a playmaker. That's what Kubes & RS said they were looking for. He will be cheaper than Briggs

badboy
01-07-2008, 01:13 PM
http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/20834.html
Info on Oakland CB that recently opted out. He was making less than $1million, much lower than I would have guessed. A huge bump to $4-5m first year of a new contract maybe be ok with him and reasonable for Texans. That would leave $20m or so(if Mario option exercised as Kubes indicated) and could make Briggs a possibility.

tulexan
01-07-2008, 01:23 PM
What about Travelle Wharton? He is young, good size, and went to South Carolina.

infantrycak
01-07-2008, 01:23 PM
http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/20834.html
Info on Oakland CB that recently opted out. He was making less than $1million, much lower than I would have guessed. A huge bump to $4-5m first year of a new contract maybe be ok with him and reasonable for Texans. That would leave $20m or so(if Mario option exercised as Kubes indicated) and could make Briggs a possibility.

Typically, even on big deals, the cap hit isn't too bad in the 1st couple years. For example Clements' huge contract only had a base salary of $1.1 mil in 2007. The first two years of Dwight Freeney's contract, the base salaries are $750k. Players don't mind the low initial salaries because they just got handed a truckload of cash as signing or roster bonuses.

badboy
01-07-2008, 01:45 PM
Typically, even on big deals, the cap hit isn't too bad in the 1st couple years. For example Clements' huge contract only had a base salary of $1.1 mil in 2007. The first two years of Dwight Freeney's contract, the base salaries are $750k. Players don't mind the low initial salaries because they just got handed a truckload of cash as signing or roster bonuses.I agree and that is why I was a proponent of going after Clements and now Samuel. Sometimes, we just have to bite a bullet and go for the rib eye rather than the chuck. I think Smith and our new salary cap guru will get us as much bang for the buck as they can. I focus on what the players bring now and they also look at the hit in the future years.

infantrycak
01-07-2008, 01:51 PM
I agree and that is why I was a proponent of going after Clements and now Samuel. Sometimes, we just have to bite a bullet and go for the rib eye rather than the chuck. I think Smith and our new salary cap guru will get us as much bang for the buck as they can. I focus on what the players bring now and they also look at the hit in the future years.

I like the approach of going to the 2nd or 3rd rated player where there is some depth in the market. Better to sign Asomogha (sp?) to a 6 year $40 mil deal than Samuels to an 8 year $80 mil deal.

badboy
01-07-2008, 02:53 PM
I like the approach of going to the 2nd or 3rd rated player where there is some depth in the market. Better to sign Asomogha (sp?) to a 6 year $40 mil deal than Samuels to an 8 year $80 mil deal.I guess I could go either way with these two and sincerely hope one is on our team.

Asomugha 26 yoa 5 years NFL 9 INTs last 2 years 0 2007.
Samuel 26 yoa 3 16 6 for 89 yds returned

I imagine both would be good for 4-6 years and $ amounts yearly fairly close during that time. Samuel has two years less on his body in NFL. Samuel come from the Patriots and the other from Oakland and that should be a plus.

leebigeztx
01-08-2008, 06:23 PM
I guess I could go either way with these two and sincerely hope one is on our team.

Asomugha 26 yoa 5 years NFL 9 INTs last 2 years 0 2007.
Samuel 26 yoa 3 16 6 for 89 yds returned

I imagine both would be good for 4-6 years and $ amounts yearly fairly close during that time. Samuel has two years less on his body in NFL. Samuel come from the Patriots and the other from Oakland and that should be a plus.

I think if u have a dc that like bump and run press man to man, nmandi is the guy.If the dc likes more zone eyes on the qb, samuels is the guy. No matter whoo u choose, u don't want a guy that can't do what u want to do. If u do, u wind up with a situation like the saints with jason david. I really like nmandi because of playing the colts, u need to be able to lock up. Peyton picks through any zone u run. They need guys that can cover and pressure. The safety and the 3rd corner need to be top flight. That's why I like nmandi 1st and foremost , suggs,tuck, or spicer 2nd then draft a guy like phillips at safety. If u want to be the king, u have to beat the king. Right now and for the next 5 yrs, the colts are the king. Bottomline.

badboy
01-09-2008, 08:48 AM
I think if u have a dc that like bump and run press man to man, nmandi is the guy.If the dc likes more zone eyes on the qb, samuels is the guy. No matter whoo u choose, u don't want a guy that can't do what u want to do. If u do, u wind up with a situation like the saints with jason david. I really like nmandi because of playing the colts, u need to be able to lock up. Peyton picks through any zone u run. They need guys that can cover and pressure. The safety and the 3rd corner need to be top flight. That's why I like nmandi 1st and foremost , suggs,tuck, or spicer 2nd then draft a guy like phillips at safety. If u want to be the king, u have to beat the king. Right now and for the next 5 yrs, the colts are the king. Bottomline.I think any good coach or coordinator will adapt to the talent he has. Personally, I like the man on man CB but the most important player is the one that gets the job done.

PHAROAH
01-09-2008, 07:18 PM
My Free Agent wish list.

1.Drayton Florence - CB
2. Eugene Wilson - S
3. Boss Bailey - LB
4. Justin Smith - DE

badboy
01-11-2008, 09:54 AM
My Free Agent wish list.

1.Drayton Florence - CB
2. Eugene Wilson - S
3. Boss Bailey - LB
4. Justin Smith - DEFYI, Mark Vander Meer & Andre Ware discussed Boss Bailey on 610 radio this morning. Andre said he liked him but both guys leaned more towards Suggs if price was right.

nunusguy
01-11-2008, 10:19 AM
FYI, Mark Vander Meer & Andre Ware discussed Boss Bailey on 610 radio this morning. Andre said he liked him but both guys leaned more towards Suggs if price was right.

Suggs is an excellent pass rusher, but at Baltimore he has been an OLB in their 3-4. How does he fit in our D ?

badboy
01-11-2008, 10:30 AM
Suggs is an excellent pass rusher, but at Baltimore he has been an OLB in their 3-4. How does he fit in our D ?I have no opinion on Suggs as I was never a fan. I think it was Ware that said Suggs would be great at OLB or could gain some lbs and be an awesome DE across from Mario. Both guys mentioned not happy with production of QB sacks by Anthony Weaver. Stated he may be better next season if healthy and mentioned his salary being high.

Ole Miss Texan
01-11-2008, 11:20 AM
I'd like to sign a CB either Asomugha or Trufant in FA.

Grab Kenny Phillips if he's there in the draft- hope teams like the saints/cardinals/etc go the CB route in the draft.

With Gibbs now Asst HC let him grab us a LT in the 3rd round who will end up being a pro bowler ; )

4th round we grab ourselves a Runningback because like Mike Hart, Matt Forte, or BenJarvus Green-Ellis

That'd give us Asomugha and Bennett as our CB's. Phillips and Demps as our Safeties (CC/Earl backups). Resign Hutchins for back up. Then Dunta comes back and plays CB#2 for us in 2009 after full recovery- that would be a killer secondary.

I'm ok with going into next season with Ahman Green, Ron Dayne, Darius Walker, Chris Taylor + added rookie udfa or from the draft. We're not going to carry more than 4 RB's on our team so someones gonna get cut and I highly doubt its Green or Dayne (fa?). I'm fine with this so long as our offensive line improves. I have hopes b/c of Kubiak/Gibbs but a 3rd rd LT like I suggest isn't going to have immediate impact.

HOU-TEX
01-11-2008, 11:25 AM
My 2008 free agency picks = whoever is an upgrade to the player presently in that position.:shades:

beerlover
01-11-2008, 11:32 AM
FYI, Mark Vander Meer & Andre Ware discussed Boss Bailey on 610 radio this morning. Andre said he liked him but both guys leaned more towards Suggs if price was right.

the price will be high, thats for sure he has Freeney type skills.