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gary
12-28-2007, 04:51 PM
What are you're thoughts?:texflag: :texflag: :texflag:

brakos82
12-28-2007, 04:53 PM
The win column preferably. :shades:

Right now: RB (first-round), FS, LT, no more Injury Bowls! :wild:

There's only room for one avatar in this town... :cowboy1:

gary
12-28-2007, 05:02 PM
Improve field wise?

Thorn
12-28-2007, 05:02 PM
The win column preferably. :shades:



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I don't think we'll be getting a RB in the first round, but what do I know? Personally I think we need an O lineman in the first round, a defensive back in the 3rd round, and if we didn't pick up a RB in FA, the best of the left overs in the 4th round.

I know we need a good RB, we really do. But we have to fix the O line and the defensive backs first. What we have for RBs right now will be somewhat less than serviceable for next year, but with a good O line, they'll keep the opposing defenses a little honest. Maybe.

gary
12-28-2007, 05:08 PM
http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif

I don't think we'll be getting a RB in the first round, but what do I know? Personally I think we need an O lineman in the first round, a defensive back in the 3rd round, and if we didn't pick up a RB in FA, the best of the left overs in the 4th round.

I know we need a good RB, we really do. But we have to fix the O line and the defensive backs first. What we have for RBs right now will be somewhat less than serviceable for next year, but with a good O line, they'll keep the opposing defenses a little honest. Maybe. Agree the top the on my list are the O line, RB's, and the back field.

Malloy
12-28-2007, 05:33 PM
I'm hoping secondary, but thinking OL.

BattleRedToro
12-28-2007, 05:44 PM
OLT in the 1st
C in the 3rd
DB in the 4th
...

gary
12-28-2007, 05:51 PM
I'm hoping secondary, but thinking OL. The seconddary needs it bad IMO.

Silver Oak
12-28-2007, 06:21 PM
I'll give the same answer I gave last year...OL. DC was but part of (larger part) this mess. Let's give MS the time he needs and our backs some better holes.

gary
12-28-2007, 06:26 PM
I'll give the same answer I gave last year...OL. DC was but part of (larger part) this mess. Let's give MS the time he needs and our backs some better holes. Along with the SD.

Double Barrel
12-28-2007, 06:42 PM
After six futile seasons, the priority has to be an offensive line. Through FA and the draft, it cannot be relegated to hope that our journeymen can just be good enough.

When you look around the league at the great and elite teams, they all have one thing in common: a great offensive line. And visa versa for the mediocre to bad teams. They tend to have very inconsistent lines.

If we simply fail to protect our huge investment at QB, then it is pointless to even bring him here. And without a consistent line, the coveted running game will never get off the ground.

I'd like to see some defensive backs and possibly a RB added, but that line has to be addressed as the priority this off-season, IMO.

gary
12-28-2007, 06:48 PM
After six futile seasons, the priority has to be an offensive line. Through FA and the draft, it cannot be relegated to hope that our journeymen can just be good enough.

When you look around the league at the great and elite teams, they all have one thing in common: a great offensive line. And visa versa for the mediocre to bad teams. They tend to have very inconsistent lines.

If we simply fail to protect our huge investment at QB, then it is pointless to even bring him here. And without a consistent line, the coveted running game will never get off the ground.

I'd like to see some defensive backs and possibly a RB added, but that line has to be addressed as the priority this off-season, IMO. They played pretty well this year considering all the injuryies they've had.

Thorn
12-28-2007, 06:53 PM
After six futile seasons, the priority has to be an offensive line.

I tried giving you a rep for this, but I am told I can't becuase I have to spread more around. In any case, you are right. Very Right. I can't even being to mention how right you are. LOL

b0ng
12-28-2007, 06:53 PM
Easily has to be the offensive line. I think if they are injuring QB's then they need to go ahead and get revamped. Too many injuries not to try to get more bodies.

Defensive backfield has to be really close right behind the Oline. With the emergence of Fred Bennett and Will Demps this need barely gets put behind the offensive line, but the need is still there. It's obvious that C.C. Brown is not really a great SS, and that we need some depth at CB.

After that it gets a little easier, I think we should get an RB and then an OLB. Both are positions of need, and the only reason RB is not in the same echelon of need as the Oline and DB's is because we have Ahman Green, and if he doesn't get cut this offseason (Which I don't think will happen), then we probably aren't going to try really hard to land any big name RB's. OLB is a need because as good as we want our defense to be, we can't let teams run Joseph Addai, Maurice Jones-Drew, and LenDale White all over us like we did this year. We know DeMeco is good, and I really just am not sold on how good Morlon Greenwood is. He's had 2 or 3 really good games this year, and has been pretty much a phantom the rest of the year.

After that I wouldn't mind seeing us draft a DE that's just speedy and quick. I would not be surprised to see this happen, and I wouldn't be mad about it at all.

Double Barrel
12-28-2007, 06:54 PM
They played pretty well this year considering all the injuryies they've had.

It's all relative, I suppose. Sub-.500 ball is never all that well in my book.

Our line has never dominated. We find successful plays in spite of the patchwork line, but it's not something we can count on in the way of being consistent. And consistency is the key in implementing a game plan, be it run or pass oriented.

We need quality depth to make up for injuries, and a career LT is still as elusive as ever for this franchise (Boselli curse?).

Brandon420tx
12-28-2007, 07:21 PM
I think we need to improve our Co-Ordinators positions first.

gary
12-28-2007, 07:33 PM
It's all relative, I suppose. Sub-.500 ball is never all that well in my book.

Our line has never dominated. We find successful plays in spite of the patchwork line, but it's not something we can count on in the way of being consistent. And consistency is the key in implementing a game plan, be it run or pass oriented.

We need quality depth to make up for injuries, and a career LT is still as elusive as ever for this franchise (Boselli curse?). Agree that's why I said considering.

Hagar
12-28-2007, 11:55 PM
While I admit our o-line has played better this year then in any other year, I think that if our QB's hadn't been so quick on the draw this year, we would have given up a lot more sacks.

Our best player on the o-line right now is Pitts and he's a journeyman at best. Winston has played well too, but tends to get a lot of false starts penalties called against him and gets pushed back too easily. Salaam is a good back up but isn't starting material. Run blocking is thier strongest suite, but none of the guys could be classified as true road graders. All in all, its easily the weakest part of the team.

With the emergence of Demps at FS and Fred Bennet at Corner, I'm pretty satisfied with our secondary (assuming DRob comes back healthy).

I think our most pressing needs are as follows:
O-Line preferrably left tackle then center
Running back
Outside linebacker
Corner (you can never have too many corners)

Wolf
12-29-2007, 12:19 AM
suprised this is missed

QUIT TURNING THE BALL OVER!

amazing we are what we are with the am't of turnovers we have

BigBull17
12-29-2007, 02:30 AM
A ball hawk. Someone in the secondary who will punish you for a poorly thrown ball. We miss too many easy Ints its pathetic. Oh, and while we are on the subject, a side line to side line LBer. Outside of Ryans, we have no one who will make a play out of our LB corp.

Malloy
12-29-2007, 03:41 AM
suprised this is missed

QUIT TURNING THE BALL OVER!

amazing we are what we are with the am't of turnovers we have

Sorry, think we got caught in player and position upgrades only :)

AnthonyE
12-29-2007, 04:48 AM
Well, I think we covered the position improvments rather nicely.

I think the 5th order of business (after OC and DC signings, FA, Draft, and sleep), is they need to improve the TOs by our offense. Or at least somehow try to stop the defense for allowing so many points AFTER the TOs.

GNTLEWOLF
12-29-2007, 04:50 AM
Please,
Let's finally do something about that o-line. Let's draft a franchise LT.

edo783
12-29-2007, 06:55 AM
Please,
Let's finally do something about that o-line. Let's draft a franchise LT.


Ding, Ding, Ding!

gary
12-29-2007, 09:43 AM
While I admit our o-line has played better this year then in any other year, I think that if our QB's hadn't been so quick on the draw this year, we would have given up a lot more sacks.

Our best player on the o-line right now is Pitts and he's a journeyman at best. Winston has played well too, but tends to get a lot of false starts penalties called against him and gets pushed back too easily. Salaam is a good back up but isn't starting material. Run blocking is thier strongest suite, but none of the guys could be classified as true road graders. All in all, its easily the weakest part of the team.

With the emergence of Demps at FS and Fred Bennet at Corner, I'm pretty satisfied with our secondary (assuming DRob comes back healthy).

I think our most pressing needs are as follows:
O-Line preferrably left tackle then center
Running back
Outside linebacker
Corner (you can never have too many corners) If DRob doesn't come back healthy?

SheTexan
12-29-2007, 10:25 AM
Will Spencer be back? IF so, just how long do you guys think it will take him to get in the groove?

As for the title of this thread. I feel we need consistency in all area's, esp coaching. Just to many games our guys seemed to be unprepared, and out coached. They (players and coaches) need to get their heads in the game, and quit using the "learning" excuse. JMO!

axman40
12-29-2007, 10:32 AM
Reduce turnovers , stay healthy , upgrade O-line, secondary , RB and faster OLB.
:fans:

cuppacoffee
12-29-2007, 10:54 AM
I'll take a few more D players with TJs mean streak.

We must stop being everyones' favorite opponent.

:coffee:

gary
12-29-2007, 12:17 PM
Will Spencer be back? IF so, just how long do you guys think it will take him to get in the groove?

As for the title of this thread. I feel we need consistency in all area's, esp coaching. Just to many games our guys seemed to be unprepared, and out coached. They (players and coaches) need to get their heads in the game, and quit using the "learning" excuse. JMO! Agree we are getting out coached and stop making excuses. The AFC is very though and the only way we are going to be able to keep up with the rest of the pack is to get our heads out of our bottoms and into the game.:texflag: :texflag: :texflag:

gary
12-29-2007, 12:27 PM
We are going to need more than Ron D. as a running back because he is an old Vet and if he goes down we're going to be in deep trouble.

kiwitexansfan
12-29-2007, 12:46 PM
Run blocking is thier strongest suite, but none of the guys could be classified as true road graders.

If you look at how the team has played our pass protection has been pretty good, we haven't conceded many sacks (relative to normal Texans teams), are at the top end of passing offenses and have had far more long ball success than any other time in our history, so I think we are a better pass blocking team especially when you compare it to the mess we had on the ground this year. I would hate to think what the overall ypc stat would look like and while our dearth of RB is a factor a good run blocking team would make up for that to a degree.

I will concur we need to continue/start to build along the lines.

Texans Horror
12-29-2007, 01:26 PM
What I looked up showed the Texans as one of the worst teams in the NFL for interceptions. The offense gave up 20, and the defense only grabbed 11. They are not going to win without Matt/Sage controlling the ball.

It's obvious they also need a healthy team, though I think the positive side of this year are Bennett and Demps stepping up to the plate. The defensive secondary doesn't look as beleaguered as they did at the start of the year, though they still have one of the worst turn-over rates in the league.

The good news is that this is all stuff that coaching can fix.

The run game, however, can only be impacted with a better running back and a better line. And next to the turn-over ratio, it is the single most crippling area of the Texans' game. I suspect that having Kubiak in sole control of the offense (I'm assuming either he will double as OC or Kyle Shanahan will be upgraded) will give the team the unified vision Kubiak has wanted. That will help, but having a healthy running back will help more.

The Pencil Neck
12-29-2007, 01:47 PM
Will Spencer be back? IF so, just how long do you guys think it will take him to get in the groove?


If Spencer makes it back, I don't think that he's going to be able to regain the quickness of foot he needs to play LT. I'd expect him to move inside to guard.

We're going to have a surplus of guards with Weary, Pitts, Studdard, Brisiel, and possibly Spencer and McKinney.

I don't expect Flanagan to stick at center and I don't know about White or McKinney. So I think that's the most important position we need to address.

On the outside, Winston played well through the season and I think he's got the Right Tackle spot. I don't know about Frye or Butler. I don't want to go through another season with Salaam stuck out at the left tackle position. I like him as a backup but I don't want him starting any more. To me, the situation on the left side is the second most important we need to take care of but I'm more concerned about the center.

Insideop
12-29-2007, 02:37 PM
To me there are 4 areas that need to be "upgraded" on this team before we will start making a serious run for the playoffs. And, although Smith & Kubes are good at finding 2nd day gems in the draft, I'm still not sure if we will be able to "upgrade" at all those areas this year. Some of it will depend on what we find in FA this coming year.

OL has to be at the top of the list. I know their sack numbers are down this year, and that's good, but some of that credit has to go to Schaub and Sage for getting rid of the ball quicker. Also, the age of Salaam, McKinney and Flanagan have to be a concern, plus the injuries to Spencer, Weary and McKinney. They have done a good job the past 2 years considering what they have gone through, but if we are going to compete for a championship, we have to addrees this area 1st, and the best place to start is with a LT in the 1st round.

RB is the next area of need. I don't know at this point if Kubes/Smith will take a chance on Green coming back or just cut him and move on. Kubes was burned by the DD/W injury and I don't think he will be willing to take a chance again. They will probably have him come back next year, but I wouldn't be surprised if they draft a RB, even in the 1st round.

CB/S is still an area of need too, even with Demps and Bennett stepping up. I don't think Dunta will be back next year, and I'm not sure of the other CB/S injuries, but we still need help in both those areas. This might be an area addressed in FA, but I still look for them to pick at least 1 CB/S in the Draft, maybe in the 3rd or 4th round.

The last area of need is a speedy DE to complement Mario. I'm not sure if Weaver has 1 or 2 more years on his contract, but I think they will try to "upgrade" this spot in the Draft in 08 or 09 or possibly through FA this coming year. Either way, I don't think Weaver will be around much longer, unless he's a backup.

I know there are other areas that some think maybe more important to "upgrade", but these are the areas I think need it most for us to contend for a playoff spot and championship. JMHO! :texflag:

MojoMan
12-29-2007, 02:52 PM
To me there are 4 areas that need to be "upgraded" on this team before we will start making a serious run for the playoffs. And, although Smith & Kubes are good at finding 2nd day gems in the draft, I'm still not sure if we will be able to "upgrade" at all those areas this year. Some of it will depend on what we find in FA this coming year.

OL has to be at the top of the list. I know their sack numbers are down this year, and that's good, but some of that credit has to go to Schaub and Sage for getting rid of the ball quicker. Also, the age of Salaam, McKinney and Flanagan have to be a concern, plus the injuries to Spencer, Weary and McKinney. They have done a good job the past 2 years considering what they have gone through, but if we are going to compete for a championship, we have to addrees this area 1st, and the best place to start is with a LT in the 1st round.

RB is the next area of need. I don't know at this point if Kubes/Smith will take a chance on Green coming back or just cut him and move on. Kubes was burned by the DD/W injury and I don't think he will be willing to take a chance again. They will probably have him come back next year, but I wouldn't be surprised if they draft a RB, even in the 1st round.

CB/S is still an area of need too, even with Demps and Bennett stepping up. I don't think Dunta will be back next year, and I'm not sure of the other CB/S injuries, but we still need help in both those areas. This might be an area addressed in FA, but I still look for them to pick at least 1 CB/S in the Draft, maybe in the 3rd or 4th round.

The last area of need is a speedy DE to complement Mario. I'm not sure if Weaver has 1 or 2 more years on his contract, but I think they will try to "upgrade" this spot in the Draft in 08 or 09 or possibly through FA this coming year. Either way, I don't think Weaver will be around much longer, unless he's a backup.

I know there are other areas that some think maybe more important to "upgrade", but these are the areas I think need it most for us to contend for a playoff spot and championship. JMHO! :texflag:

Man, you should write for the Chronicle. Your analysis is well reasoned and well written. Personally, I would move your running back section down below the section on the secondary. Regardless, your conclusions are spot on.

Insideop
12-29-2007, 03:12 PM
If Spencer makes it back, I don't think that he's going to be able to regain the quickness of foot he needs to play LT. I'd expect him to move inside to guard.

We're going to have a surplus of guards with Weary, Pitts, Studdard, Brisiel, and possibly Spencer and McKinney.

I don't expect Flanagan to stick at center and I don't know about White or McKinney. So I think that's the most important position we need to address.

On the outside, Winston played well through the season and I think he's got the Right Tackle spot. I don't know about Frye or Butler. I don't want to go through another season with Salaam stuck out at the left tackle position. I like him as a backup but I don't want him starting any more. To me, the situation on the left side is the second most important we need to take care of but I'm more concerned about the center.


This is an area (Center) that I have a concern with also. I don't know if you heard, and I'm not sure where or how he will fit, but the Texans signed Greg Eslinger to their PS. Eslinger was a 6th round pick of the Broncos in 2006 and has been on their PS up until the Browns nabbed him in Nov 2007, and then released him on Dec 12th. We picked him up on Dec 19th. With a little experience, this guy could be a long term solution here for us. He played at Minnesota and won the Outland and Rimington Trophies in 2005. He's listed as 6'3", 292 lbs. Not sure if he's the answer for us, but it sure doesn't hurt having him here. JMHO!

Insideop
12-29-2007, 03:14 PM
Man, you should write for the Chronicle. Your analysis is well reasoned and well written. Personally, I would move your running back section down below the section on the secondary. Regardless, your conclusions are spot on.

Thanks! :splits: :splits:

YoungTexanFan
12-29-2007, 05:48 PM
We need to improve our luck first and foremost.

After that, we need to look at our weaknesses and how they trickle down to our L's. If we look at our secondary, Bennett and Demps have been surprises this year, so they will be counted on next year. Robinson, if healthy, should be able to hold his own on one side of the field as well. I think many people are forgetting that Earl is coming back. Yes, Faggins and Brown are not guys we want playing, but Earl is a pretty solid SS. Factor in Boluware when we stack 8 in the box, and I think we are ok without a high pick in the secondary unless it just happens to be BPA with no similar talent at a position of greater need.

Yes, LT is still a huge, gaping hole for our team after our 6th season, but the position I am more concerned about is C. I am really hoping that the Arkansas C declares early (not likely, but I can dream) as he is the best C in college football. Assuming that doesn't happen, Justice and Mack would be very good picks for our team, and would even allow us to trade out of the first most likely to pick up a first next year and a second this year.

We need a RB, but we need to be careful in who we select or sign. I am 100% against signing Turner. I am, however, highly in favor of drafting Mendenhall.

We still do need a LT, so that is also a major need. I wouldn't mind someone like Barry Richardson or Alex Boone, but I sure as hell would love to land Clady or Baker. We don't need to even bother looking to upgrade this through FA. We will end up with a Todd Wade. Nobody lets a LT who can still play well just walk.

We also need an upgrade at OLB. However, I think we can get by with depth/late round picks until next year when it is more pressing.

We need, IMO in this order: C, RB/LT*, OLB



*RB/LT means that it is dependent completely on how the draft shakes out as to which is upgraded first. Neither of those positions should be signed through FA, they are best drafted.

beerlover
12-29-2007, 06:13 PM
We need to improve our luck first and foremost.

We need, IMO in this order: C, RB/LT*, OLB


*RB/LT means that it is dependent completely on how the draft shakes out as to which is upgraded first. Neither of those positions should be signed through FA, they are best drafted.

Sam Baker is the 1st rd. draft pick if he's there.

would like to see the Texans move up into the 2nd rd. (via trading a current player of worth off the roster in a position of strength like DL/KR) to address the Center position & get the top prospect available who fits Kubiaks system (Justice, Mack is staying in school). then bpa second day, DB, LB, OG, RB.

access all the IR players, resign as needed accordingly or release. then pick up one or two key free agents, but keeping next years ability to make bigger splash in FA in play :)

gary
12-29-2007, 06:44 PM
How do you all feel about making Sage the starter and MS as the back up?

Mr PC
12-29-2007, 06:56 PM
1. Left Tackle
2. Strong Safety
3. Running back
4. Cornerback
5. Center

honorable mention: DE, LB

ChrisG
12-29-2007, 07:04 PM
i would have liked to see more of walker and echemandu...i don't want to go RB 1st round unless it is on someone we cannot pass up

i'm still a little pissed Echemandu was released, he had the 2nd most ypc for a texan back with over 10 carries and the 2nd longest run of any of our RBs this year.

overall i would like to see our OLine or DB addressed heavily in the off season. RB needs to be addressed but i'm not sure if using our 1st round pick is the answer. I would like to see walker and some other back split the carriers - a back that can stay healthy *cough* green *cough*

Ole Miss Texan
12-29-2007, 07:10 PM
1 Word. Offensive-freakin-Line!

Thorn
12-30-2007, 11:41 AM
There are plenty of UFA O linemen avaliable this offseason. We should be able to pick up one or two maybe. This is a cut and paste job from another site. http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/nfl/freeagentsOL.html

Ruben Brown, UFA, Chicago Bears
An aging veteran, Brown has a lot of experience opening holes for backs and allowing time for passers.

Alan Faneca, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
Faneca seems to be the most likely of this group to leave his current team. Faneca is a quality guard who has started in five Pro Bowls and been selected as a first team

Flozell Adams, UFA, Dallas Cowboys
A veteran left tackle, Adams should hit the market and receive decent interest. His size, experience, and performance will lure teams into making a considerable offer for his services.

Jordan Gross, UFA, Carolina Panthers
A former first-round selection who has played well, Gross will be looking for a considerably larger check come next season.

Ryan Lilja, UFA, Indianapolis Colts
A quality guard, Lilja is relatively young and has a Super Bowl ring to call his own. The Colts will do well to sign him to an extension, but there’s a chance that Lilja tests the market.

Max Starks, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
Starks is young and massive, and another Pittsburgh player that may leave the Steel City.

Floyd Womack, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
A big, experienced guard, Womack could get a decent offer from any team missing out on a top tier target like Faneca.

Jake Scott, UFA, Indianapolis Colts
Scott is the starting right guard for one of the top offensive line units in the entire NFL, and his ability to help protect Peyton Manning should equate to a nice contract number.

Todd Steussie UFA St. Louis Rams
Steussie has been a solid offensive tackle for several years, but he was placed on injured reserve earlier this season because of a foot injury. He’s approaching forty years of age

Travelle Wharton UFA Carolina Panthers
A late third-round selection in 2004, Wharton has developed into a solid starting left tackle.

Other Free Agent Offensive Linemen
OG P.J. Alexander UFA Atlanta Falcons
OT Nat Dorsey UFA Cleveland Browns
OT Trai Essex RFA Pittsburgh Steelers
OG Chris Kemoeatu RFA Pittsburgh Steelers
OT Cory Lekkerkerker RFA San Diego Chargers
OT Sean Locklear UFA Seattle Seahawks
OG Brian Rimpf RFA Baltimore Ravens
OG Keydrick Vincent UFA Baltimore Ravens
OG Fred Weary UFA Houston Texans

b0ng
12-30-2007, 11:55 AM
There are plenty of UFA O linemen avaliable this offseason. We should be able to pick up one or two maybe. This is a cut and paste job from another site. http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/nfl/freeagentsOL.html

Ruben Brown, UFA, Chicago Bears
aging

Alan Faneca, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
old

Flozell Adams, UFA, Dallas Cowboys
Penalty Machine, but will probably stay with Cowboys

Jordan Gross, UFA, Carolina Panthers
Has no upside. What you see is the best you get

Ryan Lilja, UFA, Indianapolis Colts
Young and plays on a good line. Interesting to say the least.

Max Starks, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
Played on the Superbowl Steelers team. Interesting

Floyd Womack, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
old as hell
Jake Scott, UFA, Indianapolis Colts
He will re-sign with the Colts

Todd Steussie UFA St. Louis Rams
Old and with Injuries.

Travelle Wharton UFA Carolina Panthers
Carolina's O-line does not impress me

Other Free Agent Offensive Linemen
OG P.J. Alexander UFA Atlanta Falcons
OT Nat Dorsey UFA Cleveland Browns
OT Trai Essex RFA Pittsburgh Steelers
OG Chris Kemoeatu RFA Pittsburgh Steelers
OT Cory Lekkerkerker RFA San Diego Chargers
OT Sean Locklear UFA Seattle Seahawks
OG Brian Rimpf RFA Baltimore Ravens
OG Keydrick Vincent UFA Baltimore Ravens
OG Fred Weary UFA Houston Texans


Answered the top guys, none of the other guys really interest me other than the ones mentioned. Would be allright for cheap but we shouldn't be giving any of these guys their huge payday.

Thorn
12-30-2007, 12:00 PM
Answered the top guys, none of the other guys really interest me other than the ones mentioned. Would be allright for cheap but we shouldn't be giving any of these guys their huge payday.

That's the problem with most free agents, you end up paying them more than they are worth to get them. It's a desperation signing from some teams that drives up the so called worth of some of these guys.

Edit to say though, we are desperate on the O line.

adam
12-30-2007, 12:30 PM
The secondary and the o-line. We need to completely gut our secondary and just start over. Robinson and Bennett or keepers, but that's about all. Hutchins, Brown, and even Demps don't cut it. As for the oline, everything from the center-left is pathetic and needs much improvement. A LT and a LG would be great. Perhaps we could also admit that Weaver/Johnson are flops and look to adequately replace them next season. Just a few thoughts.

TheRealJoker
12-30-2007, 01:32 PM
Methinks we need to make sure we resign Andre Davis!!!

I really hope we make a run at a quality DC like Ron Rivera in the offseason. Most of the problems with our defense can be found in our bend but dont break scheme imo.

Brandon420tx
12-30-2007, 01:45 PM
Methinks we need to make sure we resign Andre Davis!!!
I really hope we make a run at a quality DC like Ron Rivera in the offseason. Most of the problems with our defense can be found in our bend but dont break scheme imo.

I'll second all of that espescially the bold

mancunian
12-30-2007, 01:59 PM
What are you're thoughts?:texflag: :texflag: :texflag:


Safety, LB, O-line

Wolf
12-30-2007, 02:55 PM
secondary and pass rush

while we need another RB and a LT, we need to get a defense that can shut people down

TEXANRED
12-30-2007, 03:27 PM
What are you're thoughts?:texflag: :texflag: :texflag:
First I would have to look at our division record. 1-5.

Second I would have to look at how we lost those five games. Badly.

Four of the five games were over by half time, and the first Colt game looked closer than what it really was.

Our immediate needs are DE, DL, OLB, CB, and Safety.

To beat the colts you must have a strong secondary that can cover a receiver for more than five yards. Manning drops three steps and the ball is out of there giving our DLine has 0 chance to create any pressure.

To beat the Jags you must have a strong DLine to contain there seemingly endless supply of RB's that chew up big chunks of yards and clock. You shut down there run and the pass becomes ineffective.

To beat the Titans you must have a strong LB core and DE's that can contain VY and make him beat you with his arm and not his feet.

Briggs, Samuel, Allen, Haynsworth are all available this off season. Am I saying that we get all of them? No, but at least one, IMO Haynsworth and Samuel would be my top two targets.

On the Offensive side of the ball we need a Tackle, Center, Guard, RB

Turner would be the only one I would consider in FA, he is not beat up to badly. Of course there is always Jones and Barber who are also FA, but Turner seems to have less miles.

Lots of questions this off season. Does Spencer come back? Who is our starting QB, and I don't say that to get a controversy started, I feel that is a legitimate question. Who is our Offensive Co? Will Richard Smith get the boot or a pass due to all the injuries? How much of our scheme will change now that Sherman is gone? How does DRob's recovery go? Does Dayne sign another year?

Lots of questions to answer and still a corner to turn, Should be a fun off season.

Is it August yet?

BattleRedToro
12-30-2007, 03:38 PM
Briggs, Samuel, Allen, Haynsworth are all available this off season. Am I saying that we get all of them? No, but at least one, IMO Haynsworth and Samuel would be my top two targets.

I would add Suggs to that list and if he can be had for a reasonable contract he might be a good fit as our RDE.

The Pencil Neck
12-30-2007, 04:07 PM
First I would have to look at our division record. 1-5.

Second I would have to look at how we lost those five games. Badly.

Four of the five games were over by half time, and the first Colt game looked closer than what it really was.

I really, seriously disagree with this assertion. Our division games were not, for the most part, over at halftime.

The first Colts game was close.

The first Jags game we were losing 10-6 at halftime and down 16-9 at the end of the third. We were actually dominating offensively in the first half but not scoring points. We had that damn fumble by Andre Davis going into the end zone that gave the ball back to the Jags. AND the Jags pulled that damn onside kick.

The first Titans game, we lost by 2.

The second Titans game, we were up 10-7 at halftime and gave up 14 points in the 3rd.

The second Colts game, we were pretty much dominated in the second quarter. This is the only game I'd say we were pretty much out of it at halftime.

So, for the most part, we weren't out of our divisional games by halftime.