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Grid
11-23-2004, 05:20 AM
is the ILB position in a 3-4 more involved, or less involved than the OLB position?

Would Peek have to drop into coverage less?

I wonder if peek is even any good at stopping the run?


I just wonder cause ive been converted and I beleive that we need to replace Foreman.. he is a high quality backup.. but not quite starter material(either that or we use him wrong).

Anyway, Im crossing my fingers than we trade up and get Derrick Johnson this next draft :).. and if we do that, we probably wont have enough 1st day picks to get a starting quality Dlineman and an ILB.. lineman is more important.. so that leaves us with Foreman starting again.

SO.. any of you gurus have an opinion on peek at ILB?

LoNghoRn-TeXaN
11-23-2004, 05:42 AM
Peek certainly is a good pass rusher but can't stop the run, that's why the Texans are playing Babin over Peek.

Tedc
11-23-2004, 06:01 AM
Peek certainly is a good pass rusher but can't stop the run, that's why the Texans are playing Babin over Peek.

I don't buy into that. Is there really that much difference between Babin's run coverage and Peek's?

I hear coaches and everybody else say that but there is so much upside to Peek's pass rush. I really wish they would get him into the game. Maybe they could bring him in on pass situations.

LoNghoRn-TeXaN
11-23-2004, 06:08 AM
I don't buy into that. Is there really that much difference between Babin's run coverage and Peek's?

I hear coaches and everybody else say that but there is so much upside to Peek's pass rush. I really wish they would get him into the game. Maybe they could bring him in on pass situations.

He's not strong against the run. He can't find his way around blockers to bring down the RB. He's not strong at moving horizontally along the LOS to make the tackle. Babin on the other hand is very strong at that. Also, Peek is certainly a pretty good pass rusher and I want to see him more on passing downs, but the problem is that he lacks discipline. You will see him jump offsides and also maybe rough the passer. He needs to quit doing that.

georgewashington
11-23-2004, 07:26 AM
He's not strong against the run. He can't find his way around blockers to bring down the RB. He's not strong at moving horizontally along the LOS to make the tackle. Babin on the other hand is very strong at that. Also, Peek is certainly a pretty good pass rusher and I want to see him more on passing downs, but the problem is that he lacks discipline. You will see him jump offsides and also maybe rough the passer. He needs to quit doing that.

I guess you have not seen his progression this season have you. Did you watch him play against the colts? The first play he was in he stayed outside in good contain. The second play James started in the middle and then bounced outside, and peek was waiting there, IN CONTAIN, and made the tackle for a no gain. Then the next two plays he dropped into coverage, and on the second was in perfect position and made an interception. I think if you stop listening to what people had said in the past about his lack of run stop and his wild play, and actually watched how he has been playing lately you would see that he has improved greatly. i know i have been very pro-Peek this year, but if you actually watch his play you cant deny his improvement with out even getting much playing time. And i point out that on the texans own page he was pointed out with another article about him and how he doesnt get playing time but when he does he makes things happen. you be the judge of that.

pittbull
11-23-2004, 08:20 AM
Peek was a DE at Cincinnati, when in college. It has been a struggle for him to make the adjustment to OLB, and ILB is out of the question, but I do think its' time to place him in there, mistakes and all. Move Wong to inside LB, and bring Foreman in during special situations. His lack of size and hitting ability are a liability in the middle of the field. Folks, its not the 3-4 scheme that is killing us against the run, it's our weak side and middle LB. Sharper is having another great year, but 4 yards down field, and Babin is coming on. Wong will have a better presence on the inside and Peek will add more heart and havoc. The Ravens stop the run, the patriots stop the run, the Falcons stop the run, and the Steelers are the #1 defense in the league and against the run.................ALL RUN THE 3-4 SCHEME. Changes need to be made! :hmmm:

georgewashington
11-23-2004, 08:48 AM
Peek was a DE at Cincinnati, when in college. It has been a struggle for him to make the adjustment to OLB, and ILB is out of the question, but I do think its' time to place him in there, mistakes and all. Move Wong to inside LB, and bring Foreman in during special situations. His lack of size and hitting ability are a liability in the middle of the field. Folks, its not the 3-4 scheme that is killing us against the run, it's our weak side and middle LB. Sharper is having another great year, but 4 yards down field, and Babin is coming on. Wong will have a better presence on the inside and Peek will add more heart and havoc. The Ravens stop the run, the patriots stop the run, the Falcons stop the run, and the Steelers are the #1 defense in the league and against the run.................ALL RUN THE 3-4 SCHEME. Changes need to be made! :hmmm:

A perfect post, i agree completely, the experiment with wong on the inside during preseason was not used for no reason. The coaches knew this time would come and prepared for it. Its time to use the talent on the team and use the tactics that will show the 3-4 is a great defense when its played correctly. Babin and Peek may not be Vrable or Porter yet, but if they are allowed to play and given the right play calling they could develop into them.

edo783
11-23-2004, 11:09 AM
Currently we still have an OUTSIDE chance at making the playoffs, but we lose another game or two and Indy and Jacksonvill win and then we are then in the no hope what so ever realm. At that point, I suspect that the Babin & Peek OLB and Wong at ILB experiment will become operational in hopes of being prepared to play next year and for the draft. Untile we are at that point, I doubt it will be used other than a rare occasion or two.

Vinny
11-23-2004, 01:37 PM
I don't buy into that. Is there really that much difference between Babin's run coverage and Peek's?Yes, a ridiculous amount of difference. That is one reason Babin plays the strong side and Peek is a weak-side linebacker. The strong-side linebacker needs to be strong against the run. Last year Peek was lit up, exposed and isolated like Matt Stevens when he played on the edge. He was miserable against the run. Babin is a solid run stopper. I'm not sure if he has improved....because Wong is playing well. I am hoping Peek can take over the weak side OLB by next season.

Vinny
11-23-2004, 01:40 PM
Wong to inside LB, and bring Foreman in during special situations. His lack of size and hitting ability are a liability in the middle of the field. Foreman is 240 pounds. He is not undersized.

pittbull
11-23-2004, 01:47 PM
Yeah, Foreman is 240lbs, but his overall strength is what counts, and this guy doesn't have that. I know alot of "overweight" guys, who can only lift a burger to their mouths, but doesn't their weight doesn't make them strong! Wong looks the part, maybe he is too. :hmmm:

Vinny
11-23-2004, 02:08 PM
I'm not a big Foreman fan. I would like to see his position upgraded myself.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
11-23-2004, 02:37 PM
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TEXANS84
11-23-2004, 03:04 PM
In watching the game again on DVR recording, Brett Favre was 6/6 under 15 yards up the middle, and 5/5 over 15 yards up the middle halfway through the 3rd quarter. I also noticed Foreman was lacking in coverage on numerous plays throughout the game. It usually ended up being Babin, Robinson, Earl, and Glenn making his tackles.

georgewashington
11-23-2004, 03:06 PM
Yes, a ridiculous amount of difference. That is one reason Babin plays the strong side and Peek is a weak-side linebacker. The strong-side linebacker needs to be strong against the run. Last year Peek was lit up, exposed and isolated like Matt Stevens when he played on the edge. He was miserable against the run. Babin is a solid run stopper. I'm not sure if he has improved....because Wong is playing well. I am hoping Peek can take over the weak side OLB by next season.

If it is that ridiculous then how come Peek has been Babin's sub every game this year and not someone else? And you cant keep comparing all these statements to last years performance. The point is that if you looked at his play he hasnt really made too many mistakes that can lead to saying he is still bad against the run. He did very well against the colts in keeping contain and making a stop against edge's cut back. I think its funny to criticize what hasnt happened this year. Hes played well in coverage, hasnt been faked out by the running back, and hasnt given up a big play. and i also think i read that foreman has a hurt neck and could be out this week. so the switch up is not that ridiculous of an idea.

Grid
11-23-2004, 03:21 PM
On a different note. I was just told that if we drafted Derrick Johnson.. he would play ILB for us.

SO.. if that was the case.. the problem is solved :). Wong has had a good year and he will stay as an OLB.. so will Babin.

But Wong, Johnson, Sharper, Babin... that is an awesome lineup.

Vinny
11-23-2004, 04:41 PM
If it is that ridiculous then how come Peek has been Babin's sub every game this year and not someone else? Yeah, on passing downs. You are not going to take out Wong. You will take out Babin because that puts your two best speed rushers on the field. You will not find Peek in at the strong OLB in short down and distance packages.

georgewashington
11-23-2004, 05:27 PM
Yeah, on passing downs. You are not going to take out Wong. You will take out Babin because that puts your two best speed rushers on the field. You will not find Peek in at the strong OLB in short down and distance packages.

Short down and distance packages? such as 1st down inside the colts own 10. That seemed like he went in during a situation where running occurs quite often, and that is a long distance down the field. He seemed to be in during that exact situation. Im not saying he is going to play strong side regularly, im saying that he is the only one that has gone in for babin, whether it was pass plays, or whether he was pulled during the 4th quarter. And i believe that when he was in at the colts he was not even rushing very much, mostly contain on running and dropping into coverage.

Vinny
11-23-2004, 08:13 PM
If the Colts had their passing package in I'm sure we had our pass rush package in. This stuff is really simple when you think about it clearly.

georgewashington
11-23-2004, 08:40 PM
Passing package? He played the whole quarter, and i believe that a package that involves a TE, RB, and only 2 wide outs isnt exactly a passing package. The fact is he came in for Babin just like against KC. And he wasnt rushing the QB against the colts, he was dropped into coverage every play. That doesnt seem like he was in there just to pass rush.

Vinny
11-23-2004, 08:49 PM
Ok, you are right. They put Peek in because of his run stopping abilities.

georgewashington
11-23-2004, 09:00 PM
sarcasm isnt needed, the point is that they just put him in, not to pass rush, not to stop the run, not to drop into coverage, just to play. If he was only put in to pass rush then he would have pass rushed, but he didnt. dont act like im ignorant.

TexansTrueFan
11-23-2004, 09:22 PM
I guess you have not seen his progression this season have you. Did you watch him play against the colts? The first play he was in he stayed outside in good contain. The second play James started in the middle and then bounced outside, and peek was waiting there, IN CONTAIN, and made the tackle for a no gain. Then the next two plays he dropped into coverage, and on the second was in perfect position and made an interception. I think if you stop listening to what people had said in the past about his lack of run stop and his wild play, and actually watched how he has been playing lately you would see that he has improved greatly. i know i have been very pro-Peek this year, but if you actually watch his play you cant deny his improvement with out even getting much playing time. And i point out that on the texans own page he was pointed out with another article about him and how he doesnt get playing time but when he does he makes things happen. you be the judge of that.



Oh god howd i know you'd be on here kissing Peeks A*s George ? That int was a give me, come on it was in trash time and there was noone else including recievers in the area. If someone throws a ball right at me i think i will catch it to ! And i dont think stopping the run one time out of A LOT means he can be consistent at it !

georgewashington
11-23-2004, 09:37 PM
it wasnt right at him, he dropped back in front of the colts receiver who was 5 yards behind him, and i believe he did have to jump up to get it. And i guarentee you wouldnt catch it. and how is it trash time when the colts still had all their starters in and werent playing any different offense than they did all game long. and one out of a lot, i would love to hear the example of when this season he has been smoked on a run play. its not kissing *** if i simply point out some situations. I also suppose that whoever writes for the texans web site is kissing *** too because they seemed to like him enough and are impressed enough that the wrote an article saying he doesnt get much playing time but when he does he makes things happen.

GeauxTexans
11-23-2004, 09:51 PM
I also noticed Foreman was lacking in coverage on numerous plays throughout the game. It usually ended up being Babin, Robinson, Earl, and Glenn making his tackles.

I noticed the exact same thing. I don't get to watch many games so I did not know if it was an off night for him (Foreman) or what but he was getting burned over and over.

TexansTrueFan
11-23-2004, 10:01 PM
it wasnt right at him, he dropped back in front of the colts receiver who was 5 yards behind him, and i believe he did have to jump up to get it. And i guarentee you wouldnt catch it. and how is it trash time when the colts still had all their starters in and werent playing any different offense than they did all game long. and one out of a lot, i would love to hear the example of when this season he has been smoked on a run play. its not kissing *** if i simply point out some situations. I also suppose that whoever writes for the texans web site is kissing *** too because they seemed to like him enough and are impressed enough that the wrote an article saying he doesnt get much playing time but when he does he makes things happen.


ok well with 3 min left manning was still throwing the long ball, do you think we had a chance to come back ? yeah there was a reciever behind him, but peek DIDNT have to jump when he did it was right in his gut.

Vinny
11-23-2004, 11:06 PM
sarcasm isnt needed, the point is that they just put him in, not to pass rush, not to stop the run, not to drop into coverage, just to play. If he was only put in to pass rush then he would have pass rushed, but he didnt. dont act like im ignorant.Don't act like it then. I will be as sarcastic as I choose when you just drone on and on with your Peek argument and toss the facts to the side. Babin is obviously more of an all around player and Peek is obviously more of a situational speed rusher right now. To argue against that is just not smart when you see that Babin plays mostly on more running downs and when Peek comes in it's mostly on passing downs. That is all I was typing but that isn't good enough for you. You have to insist you know more than the coaches and nobody can see Peek's skill but you.

Um, we see it too....just some of us don't think he is all that wonderful as a complete player....at least not yet.

infantrycak
11-23-2004, 11:10 PM
Oh god howd i know you'd be on here kissing Peeks A*s George ? That int was a give me, come on it was in trash time and there was noone else including recievers in the area. If someone throws a ball right at me i think i will catch it to ! And i dont think stopping the run one time out of A LOT means he can be consistent at it !

Aside from george's obvious Peek affiliation, exactly when does it become trash time for a winning offense? So Manning just decided we are up we can be sloppy at the very same time he was deciding to aggressively try to move down field?--yaa, sure. Peek made a greatl play on that ball--give the boy his due. Does he still need a lot of improvement?--yes. But give credit where it is due.

georgewashington
11-24-2004, 08:21 AM
Don't act like it then. I will be as sarcastic as I choose when you just drone on and on with your Peek argument and toss the facts to the side. Babin is obviously more of an all around player and Peek is obviously more of a situational speed rusher right now. To argue against that is just not smart when you see that Babin plays mostly on more running downs and when Peek comes in it's mostly on passing downs. That is all I was typing but that isn't good enough for you. You have to insist you know more than the coaches and nobody can see Peek's skill but you.

Um, we see it too....just some of us don't think he is all that wonderful as a complete player....at least not yet.

There was no fact tossing at all, i never said babin wasnt better at the run. you just decide to twist what i say a little bit to make it sound more biased to peek. I never said he doesnt normally come in during passing downs, i just made a simple point that he has come in for extended periods of time, ex. 4th quarters against KC and Indy. and your sarcasm really isnt called for because there was no argument being made about these things you bring up. When did i say in this post that he was a better run stopper than babin and that peek is put in the game to stop the run? all ive have said is that he was given some playing time and it happened to be on the strong side replacing babin. and i dont think ive said anything about coaches being stupid or my ideas being the best. i also believe that some other people have noticed things that i have. so maybe you could act like an adult and try to be open to things, especially when they are simple statements that are not incorrect.

bruenice
11-24-2004, 10:16 AM
ok well with 3 min left manning was still throwing the long ball, do you think we had a chance to come back ? yeah there was a reciever behind him, but peek DIDNT have to jump when he did it was right in his gut.


actually the ball was over his head not in his gut. i was at that game and saw it in person. and what george has said about his play against the run is correct. attributing all of his abilities to what he did last year is ridiculous. it was his rookie year. just about everybody on this site has said that babin needs to be given time to develop into a linebacker during his rookie season.
as for lack of horizontal ability, i think that peek has that covered as well. i believe that it has been mentioned on the board before that he came into college as a receiver, he would have to be mobile for that. he then played LINEBACKER for a season before being moved to DE the last two year. i don't think that you can question his athletic ability. not sure if anyone knows this, but he did play for part of a season for the UC basketball team. huggins wouldn't let him play if he was unathletic. in one game against notre dame, he shut down troy murphy who i believe is starting right now for the golden state warriors and is 6-10. so i think he has the ability, just not getting all the reps that people are saying babin deserves to become an NFL linbacker.

TexansTrueFan
11-24-2004, 02:08 PM
Aside from george's obvious Peek affiliation, exactly when does it become trash time for a winning offense? So Manning just decided we are up we can be sloppy at the very same time he was deciding to aggressively try to move down field?--yaa, sure. Peek made a greatl play on that ball--give the boy his due. Does he still need a lot of improvement?--yes. But give credit where it is due.


the reason i said trash time,,,was cause it didnt really matter what our D did at that point they could of ran 2 int back for td's and it wouldnt of mattered. Did he do it in the green bay game when we really neede it ? NO so thats why i say trash time for our D, hell thats why he was in there, we had no chance to come back !!!! so his int was just a stat and meant absolutley nothing.

TexansTrueFan
11-24-2004, 02:09 PM
actually the ball was over his head not in his gut. i was at that game and saw it in person. and what george has said about his play against the run is correct. attributing all of his abilities to what he did last year is ridiculous. it was his rookie year. just about everybody on this site has said that babin needs to be given time to develop into a linebacker during his rookie season.
as for lack of horizontal ability, i think that peek has that covered as well. i believe that it has been mentioned on the board before that he came into college as a receiver, he would have to be mobile for that. he then played LINEBACKER for a season before being moved to DE the last two year. i don't think that you can question his athletic ability. not sure if anyone knows this, but he did play for part of a season for the UC basketball team. huggins wouldn't let him play if he was unathletic. in one game against notre dame, he shut down troy murphy who i believe is starting right now for the golden state warriors and is 6-10. so i think he has the ability, just not getting all the reps that people are saying babin deserves to become an NFL linbacker.

well bud you musta been in the cheap seats cause HDTV never lies !!!!!!!

infantrycak
11-24-2004, 05:10 PM
the reason i said trash time,,,was cause it didnt really matter what our D did at that point they could of ran 2 int back for td's and it wouldnt of mattered. Did he do it in the green bay game when we really neede it ? NO so thats why i say trash time for our D, hell thats why he was in there, we had no chance to come back !!!! so his int was just a stat and meant absolutley nothing.

Well all of that makes sense if you are talking about the outcome of the game, but if you are talking about the play or potential of a player, it is meaningless. Indy's full 1st team offense was still in and gunning--it was a good play.

TexansTrueFan
11-24-2004, 09:17 PM
Well all of that makes sense if you are talking about the outcome of the game, but if you are talking about the play or potential of a player, it is meaningless. Indy's full 1st team offense was still in and gunning--it was a good play.


i'm not saying it wasnt a good play, i'm just saying it had no affect on the game, it wasnt a clutch situation when we needed it like we needed it last week against Green Bay ! And believe it or not i think Peek brings alot of intensity into the game, i just think he needs to improve on his run stopping ! All of that started just trying to get old Geoorge W. rowdy LOL not everyone on the web site ! But i do still perfer Babin over peek as of now, and if peek keeps improving i may think otherwise ! :BananaWav

georgewashington
11-24-2004, 10:30 PM
the reason i said trash time,,,was cause it didnt really matter what our D did at that point they could of ran 2 int back for td's and it wouldnt of mattered. Did he do it in the green bay game when we really neede it ? NO so thats why i say trash time for our D, hell thats why he was in there, we had no chance to come back !!!! so his int was just a stat and meant absolutley nothing.

He didnt do it in the Green Bay game cuz he was hurt. And its ignorant to say a good play means nothing. Maybe it doesnt mean anything towards the team winning or losing, but a good play is a good play, and I believe it was a good read and play against the best QB in football. Is it really that hard for you people to see that the guy has improved? And Foreman may be out this week, and maybe wong will move to the middle then what are you guys gonna say if god forbid peek plays against the run? And once again i reiterate that peek did play in non-garbage time against the chiefs, he is the leading tackler on special teams, including taking the special teams captain spot against Indy, so i think he can make some tackles in the open field while getting by some blockers.

AndreJ
11-24-2004, 10:44 PM
Jay Foreman is ranked pretty high in the league in tackles i think he's like #16 i dont see why we would need to replace him.

disaacks3
11-24-2004, 11:17 PM
And its ignorant to say a good play means nothing. Maybe it doesnt mean anything towards the team winning or losing, but a good play is a good play, and I believe it was a good read and play against the best QB in football. Hey, I thought Drew Henson's TD drive against the Ravens was great too, but it meant NOTHING. That's not ignorant, it's accurate analysis.

Many on this board feel that Peek has progressed and has made some wonderful plays, just because we don't think he's the second-coming of Ray Lewis doesn't mean we don't appreciate his contributions.

On a side note: Spacing, spelling and punctuation can make posts much easier on the eyes. :BananaWav

TexansTrueFan
11-24-2004, 11:25 PM
Hey, I thought Drew Henson's TD drive against the Ravens was great too, but it meant NOTHING. That's not ignorant, it's accurate analysis.

Many on this board feel that Peek has progressed and has made some wonderful plays, just because we don't think he's the second-coming of Ray Lewis doesn't mean we don't appreciate his contributions.

On a side note: Spacing, spelling and punctuation can make posts much easier on the eyes. :BananaWav


haha thank you ! You are the only one who sees what i was saying about peeks GOOD PLAY !!!