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powerfuldragon
12-19-2007, 05:34 PM
http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story?id=09000d5d8053e54c&template=without-video&confirm=true


Last year's top overall pick Mario Williams was named an alternate to the game as was kicker Kris Brown and free safety Will Demps.
Williams was snubbed from the team despite leading the AFC with 13 sacks and having more tackles than two of the three defensive ends chosen.


so what does that mean, he goes to Hawaii in case someone can't suit up?

TEXANS84
12-19-2007, 05:36 PM
http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story?id=09000d5d8053e54c&template=without-video&confirm=true



so what does that mean, he goes to Hawaii in case someone can't suit up?

Correct, or declines to play.

Texan_Bill
12-19-2007, 05:36 PM
http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story?id=09000d5d8053e54c&template=without-video&confirm=true



so what does that mean, he goes to Hawaii in case someone can't suit up?

YUP!!! a la "his highness" VY last year.

JDizzle
12-19-2007, 05:37 PM
Alternates go when one of the other guys cancels. Reserves don't start but still make the trip and get to play. I think VY made it in as an alternate last year.

powerfuldragon
12-19-2007, 05:37 PM
Correct, or declines to play.
who declines the probowl?

brakos82
12-19-2007, 05:37 PM
YUP!!! a la "his highness" VY last year.

Wasn't he something like 5th string QB in '06?

brakos82
12-19-2007, 05:38 PM
who declines the probowl?

If they just don't feel like playing (say, they've been there 7 times already)

powerfuldragon
12-19-2007, 05:40 PM
If they just don't feel like playing (say, they've been there 7 times already)
yeah, but still... you could set all kinds of probowl records and stuff. (lame, but it'll keep your name alive)

Texan_Bill
12-19-2007, 05:45 PM
Wasn't he something like 5th string QB in '06?

Not quite 5th...... but 4th


2007 Pro Bowl rosters

updated 2:37 a.m. CT, Sat., Feb. 10, 2007

Saturday, 6 p.m. ET (CBS)
At Honolulu
(s-starter; x-will not play, injury/personal reasons; y-injury replacement)
Quarterbacks

s-Peyton Manning, Indianapolis; Carson Palmer, Cincinnati; x-Philip Rivers, San Diego; y-Vince Young, Tennessee.

awtysst
12-19-2007, 05:53 PM
So, what are the odds that Mario does go? Does anyone think that any of the three DEs ahead of him will not want to go?

SA Texan
12-19-2007, 05:55 PM
who declines the probowl?

Most players who delcine are usually injured and can't play, or don't want to risk further injury.

awtysst
12-19-2007, 05:58 PM
Most players who delcine are usually injured and can't play, or don't want to risk further injury.

So, are Jared Allen, Kyle Vanden Bosch, or Jason Taylor injured or nursing any injuries?

Nawzer
12-19-2007, 06:05 PM
At this point I'd rather not see Mario Williams go to the Pro Bowl. All this alternate stuff sounds like a backdoor way. I'd rather see him go next year, if he plays well enough, when he go can as a Pro Bowl starter. But if he does somehow manage to sneak in this year I'll be happy for him because he definitely deserved to go this year.

spent
12-19-2007, 06:07 PM
a lot of players drop.....need that healing time

TexansFanatic
12-19-2007, 06:08 PM
I think chances are actually pretty good that Mario will go to Hawaii. It's not unusual at all that a player declines to play in the Pro Bowl. Think about it. The game is meaningless and you're risking your health and future potential income by getting on that field.

Someone like Jason Taylor who really has nothing to prove at this stage of his career could very easily opt not to go.

Errant Hothy
12-19-2007, 06:11 PM
With none of those guys likely making the play-offs, I don't see any passing on the trip to Hawaii.

TexansFanatic
12-19-2007, 06:25 PM
Seems to me (and this is just me and my faulty memory talking) I remember that the coaches who wind up coaching either team (the coaches who lose the championship game from either conference) also have the option of choosing one player to come along.

Can anyone either verify or refute?

TexansFanatic
12-19-2007, 06:27 PM
With none of those guys likely making the play-offs, I don't see any passing on the trip to Hawaii.

Jason Taylor is 33 and has been to 5 Pro Bowls---this is his 6th. I'm betting he's not going to go.

awtysst
12-19-2007, 06:31 PM
Seems to me (and this is just me and my faulty memory talking) I remember that the coaches who wind up coaching either team (the coaches who lose the championship game from either conference) also have the option of choosing one player to come along.

Can anyone either verify or refute?

I am not verifying or refuting, but wouldn't they choose one of their own?
So in this case the Patriots lost to the Colts. So, who didn't make it from the Patriots and deserves it? How about Wes Welker.

TexansFanatic
12-19-2007, 06:38 PM
I am not verifying or refuting, but wouldn't they choose one of their own?
So in this case the Patriots lost to the Colts. So, who didn't make it from the Patriots and deserves it? How about Wes Welker.

You are correct. I'm sure personal relationships weigh heavily in those decisions. But with someone like Mario just exploding in production the last quarter of the season, the numbers almost demand that a coach choose him.

Ole Miss Texan
12-19-2007, 06:46 PM
I think in most cases its the QB's that decline to play just b/c they realize its somewhat meaningless and don't want to get injured....see Brees got injured last year during the pro bowl.

Also if I remember correctly Tom Brady was actually ahead of Vince Young last year but declined to go, probably cuz he new that him not being top 3 was BS? so he just decided not to even go. so VY i guess was originally 5 then Rivers was injured? and didn't play.

Anybody remember Sean Taylor laying out the Buffalo Kicker!!?? sheesh.

J-Russ
12-19-2007, 07:07 PM
(on if DE Mario Williams could still go to the Pro Bowl) “I think each coach gets to pick two players once it’s all said and done. I would imagine he would be considered for that.”

(on how coaches choose additional Pro Bowl players) “I’m not positive, but I think they can pick whoever they want and it has to come from certain positions. I know his position is one of them.”

Didn't know this... Does it means one player extra chosen for each conference, or two for each conference?

nunusguy
12-19-2007, 07:39 PM
Try finding a complete list of PB alternates ? Good Luck.

TEXANS84
12-19-2007, 07:41 PM
Didn't know this... Does it means one player extra chosen for each conference, or two for each conference?

Now, Mario, here's the deal: The coach of the AFC team will select a need player, and that player must be a defensive end, cornerback, linebacker or long snapper.

You're a defensive end who has played a little linebacker this season, so you could fill two roles if necessary.

I don't know if you've looked ahead, but there's a good chance that Sunday at the RCA Dome, you'll be playing against the coach who'll select that need player.

Hello, Mario!
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5389170.html

Wolf
12-19-2007, 10:38 PM
I hope he doesn't go and it motivates him to no end

austintexanite
12-19-2007, 10:45 PM
If leads the conferance and possibly the NFL in sacks, then I'd be extremely disappointed that the coach does not call him up and takes him to Hawaii. Everyone knows he got shafted, so I see no reason why the coach wouldn't take him.

Mr teX
12-20-2007, 08:42 AM
http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story?id=09000d5d8053e54c&template=without-video&confirm=true



so what does that mean, he goes to Hawaii in case someone can't suit up?

Look no further than how Superman....err VY got to the probowl last year.

Texan_Bill
12-20-2007, 08:47 AM
Hoth-Boy.... Do you ever get that feeling that sometimes people don't read your posts??? :um:

mexican_texan
12-20-2007, 10:37 AM
I guarantee you Jared Allen won't go.

HOU-TEX
12-20-2007, 10:39 AM
I guarantee you Jared Allen won't go.

Why is that? I think it's his first Pro Bowl. Or his second?

awtysst
12-20-2007, 10:40 AM
I guarantee you Jared Allen won't go.

Why? Is he injured?

Errant Hothy
12-20-2007, 10:47 AM
Hoth-Boy.... Do you ever get that feeling that sometimes people don't read your posts??? :um:

No...never...why do you ask? :devilpig:

mexican_texan
12-20-2007, 11:06 AM
Why? Is he injured?
He's going to be a free agent at the end of the season. He won't want to risk injury that would cost him millions.

HOU-TEX
12-20-2007, 11:28 AM
He's going to be a free agent at the end of the season. He won't want to risk injury that would cost him millions.

There are FA's going to the Probowl every year. IMO, a FA should go to the PB and use it to sell himself to his peers. That's all the PB is, a huge social gathering for NFL players and coaches.:cool:

powerfuldragon
12-20-2007, 05:20 PM
All this alternate stuff sounds like a backdoor way.
yeah, it's like the NFL's pooperscooper so they don't leave a stink.

Second Honeymoon
12-20-2007, 05:40 PM
Pro Bowl Alternate is kinda like winning Honorable Mention. It's not that bad. Whether or not Mario should be in the Pro Bowl is a valid argument but just being named as an Alternate is still acknowledgement from the NFL world that Mario's progress was duly noted and that it was appreciated and admired.

By being named an alternate, Mario is getting respect and its probably better for him to still have that carrot on a stick in front of him for NEXT year. He may even get a chance to play in the game if some players drop out. At the end of the day, if he can start next year like he is finishing this year and continue to show his endurance/durability he will make the Pro Bowl next year and the Texans may finally realize their postseason dreams.