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Texans Pride
11-22-2004, 09:34 PM
Ok so I am just asking what you all think..

I think I heard on Total Access today that James would be an unrestricted free agent next year...

1. Is there ANY chance Casserly would be interested
2. Would he be a good fit for us
3. Could we afford him

Let me know yalls thoughts...My ears sure tuned in when i heard that!

AJ I wanted your thoughts because you seem to have a good read on these things....Can always count on you for good info

aj.
11-22-2004, 09:36 PM
The short answer is no, no and no.

I'll be very surprised if Edge is not in South Beach next year.

It makes no sense to throw multi millions at a RB with that kind of mileage.

kuno
11-22-2004, 10:21 PM
I dont think it will happen. The Texans are not going to give up on DD.

shinerbock_girl
11-22-2004, 10:37 PM
Actually i like EJ....sometimes change is good.... :banana:

Hervoyel
11-22-2004, 10:52 PM
I don't particularly want to see the Texans pursue James. I'd much rather see them target a back in the draft.

TEXANS84
11-23-2004, 01:09 AM
Id be happy with Derick Blaylock, or Travis Henry if the price is right. EJ is gonna cost way too much money.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
11-23-2004, 02:55 AM
Edge will be a Dolphin next season

Dunta_Fan_23
11-23-2004, 08:54 AM
Any running back is better than what we got right now...

:c)

pittbull
11-23-2004, 09:15 AM
Have a friend who is close with James & his family in Indy!!! Although he would like to be in South Florida, he also likes to win. Which ever team, in a warm weather climate, gives him the best chance of winning, look to see James. Miami, down and out. Atlanta, no money, Jags, Fred Taylor, Dallas, JJ. But, what we have to remember, Indy is not out of the race, and according to family, their local papers and owner, look for Manning to restructure his deal to try to keep "The Edge" there, along with Marvin Harrison, but don't count out the Texans. He knows the division, can play on grass to help with injuries, warm climate, up and (coming)should be team, could be the same style of offense as indy, explosive, and a blocking scheme that can work more to his advantage. Overall, he has tons more patients that DD hitting the holes! :hmmm:

georgewashington
11-23-2004, 09:53 AM
That would be nice to get the edge but i dont see it happening. he is going to stay where he is productive, and peyton will restructure. This team needs a bruiser for a running back, a second coming of THE BUS. That will give the team what it needs to open up the passing, the bus could pound it in, but also had some speed to get down field. This team should be a passing team, forget the total balance, carr is a gun slinger adn with receivers like AJ, Bradford, and Armstrong, mix in a TE and this is could be the greatest show on GRASS. They need a back that can carry the ball on 1/3 of the plays, not 1/2, and one that can receive. We need another bus or another marshall faulk.

TheOgre
11-23-2004, 10:03 AM
You know the old Oilers song? That happens to be the Dolphins song too.

MIAMI DOLPHINS. MIAMI DOLPHINS. MIAMI DOLPHINS NUMBER 1.

That is EJ's next destination.

edo783
11-23-2004, 12:00 PM
EJ would most likely be too expensive for us to concider, but if the oportunity does present, not a totally bad thought. Personally, I like the idea of a younger, big back with some speed that can pound it and break it every once in a while. Backs have such short shelf lives, I would hate to see us tie up a boat load of cap money for a mid to late career back.

dan7
11-23-2004, 12:03 PM
Does anyone know how much cap room the Texans have to pursue potential free agents next year?

pittbull
11-23-2004, 03:03 PM
The Bus is a great guy, hung out with him in PGH a few times, but not as a running back. You think games are boring in the second half now, just wait until you have a 250lbs RB..................... :whew

georgewashington
11-23-2004, 03:59 PM
The Bus is a great guy, hung out with him in PGH a few times, but not as a running back. You think games are boring in the second half now, just wait until you have a 250lbs RB..................... :whew

The BUS isnt a good running back? What is he number 3 or 5 all time in rushing yards? Three games he started this year he has over 100 yards in each game? I would say that a person with his running style would be effective for the texans. no one said to get the bus, but someone bus like. You are crazy if you would day that he isnt a good running back, adn he is actually even better in the second half where he can bulldoze through the tired LB's.

Youngstown Colt
11-23-2004, 04:19 PM
The BUS isnt a good running back? What is he number 3 or 5 all time in rushing yards? Three games he started this year he has over 100 yards in each game? I would say that a person with his running style would be effective for the texans. no one said to get the bus, but someone bus like. You are crazy if you would day that he isnt a good running back, adn he is actually even better in the second half where he can bulldoze through the tired LB's.
jerome is behind a very good, and finally healthy, offensive line. thats why hes so productive. as for him being top 5 in the nfl in rushing, hes a stat piler. the number is impressive when you see it, but when you look at the quality of those yards, its not nearly as impressive

El_DudeArino
11-23-2004, 04:19 PM
I can't see Indy letting him go, then what will they do??

Youngstown Colt
11-23-2004, 04:20 PM
oh yeah, and you guys cant have EJ. bill polian said he will resign marvin and edge, and miami is a horrible situation for him to go to.

georgewashington
11-23-2004, 04:25 PM
I would take a back that can average 4 yards a carry over a career any day, a player that can have 8 1000+ yard seasons, including a 1300+, 2 1400+ and a 1600+ years. The whole need of this team is a back that is going to be able to pick up 4 or 5 yards on 1st down or second down so that if we get to 3rd down its short yardage which opens up the play book. It keeps the linebackers honest. And it takes more than one guy to bring him down. I would say those stats are pretty impressive. And he has also been pretty good at receiving, averaging 7+ yards a catch over 12 years isnt bad for a RB. The texans could be so lucky to get a productive back that will open up the passing game by keeping the defense honest.

TheOgre
11-23-2004, 04:35 PM
The problem is that Indy cannot afford Marvin Harrison AND Edgerrin James next year. Harrison is one of the top 3-4 WR's in the league. James is a good back but not one of the top 3-4. It is easier to find a good RB than a top 5 WR. Plus RB's usually don't require much time to develop, whereas WR can be one of the slower developing positions on the team.

Htown34s
11-23-2004, 05:40 PM
Its not the RB, its the Offensive line.

If we're gonna throw millions at something, how about a few dominant linemen?

Vinny
11-23-2004, 05:43 PM
Its both and we have thrown millions at the line. One of our biggest FA's ever has been a RT. Players don't grow on trees. We have solid individual players on the line. They just need more time to get it together. They also need a NFL quality lead back.

ubecool454
11-23-2004, 10:45 PM
I am sure the fins players won't be to happy to see ricky back..maybe if they get edge the texans should take a shot at ricky williams..he might be ok back in texas.

ubecool454
11-23-2004, 10:49 PM
why can't the texans see what i was seeing on draft day..two of our biggest concerns are..not pass rush and imo a very weak excuse for a running back....back during the draft the texans had a chance to get marquise hill DE out of LSU and RB cedric cobb from arkansas...New England saw what i saw because they have them both... :hmmm:

TexansTrueFan
11-23-2004, 11:49 PM
i say we just draft a RB, so he can grow with the team and be around a long time, we are a young team with a lot of young talent and another young player would just heat up things, Right running back (in the draft) and we'd have a dangerious Trio. But if O-Line improves i think D.D will be just as good as any !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :coolb:

infantrycak
11-24-2004, 12:06 AM
why can't the texans see what i was seeing on draft day..two of our biggest concerns are..not pass rush and imo a very weak excuse for a running back....back during the draft the texans had a chance to get marquise hill DE out of LSU and RB cedric cobb from arkansas...New England saw what i saw because they have them both... :hmmm:

And they are tearing up the league. Hill has played zero times this year and Cobb has one run for one yard. Dang Casserly for not snapping them up--it is obvious they would have made the Texans a play off team.

tana
11-24-2004, 04:49 PM
IMO, it depends on if Indy gets to the SB and wins it :heh:

IF, a very big IF, that happens, then I could see Edge going to Miami.

TexansTrueFan
11-24-2004, 10:26 PM
na i never like to by a used car with to many miles on it ! Why not get something new ?

Txn_in_FL
12-01-2004, 11:18 AM
Did I spell that wrong? Next year he is a free agent. Should the Texans bother or is he too old? Would be great to get an established runner with a few miles left in the tank to groom a draftee than constantly have to worry about the run game. Carr and Johnson are hooking up great right now. Can't wait to see how good it gets when the opposition is scared of our run too.

shinerbock_girl
12-01-2004, 11:20 AM
I really like EJ....He's fun to watch and he sureeee can run that ball....

V Man
12-01-2004, 11:23 AM
I've heard that if he goes anywhere other than Indy it would be Miami. Wants to return home.

infantrycak
12-01-2004, 11:45 AM
Much of what this guy says about Rudi Johnson, applies to James--Johnson just has a whole lot more tread left on the tires:

You can't open the vault for Rudi Johnson. You can't declare the Bengals Bank & Trust a Rudi subsidiary. Wallets are not made to be lived in. Not even by Rudi, the hardest-working man in show business. If Rudi wants $6 million a year, the Bengals should drive him to the airport and wish him well.

It's not about Rudi. I like Rudi. Who doesn't?

The man is 220 pounds of purpose. When he's not working, he's working. If anybody else starts riding that stationary bike behind the Bengals bench, I get a little ticked off. That's Rudi's bike.

But it's business. And business says NFL running backs are easily replaced.

Link (http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041201/COL03/412010388/1082/SPT)

He does conveniently leave Emmitt Smith & Terrell Davis out of his analysis, but both those teams built great OL's as well.

Txn_in_FL
12-01-2004, 11:55 AM
Whoops! Sorry, didn't see this thread was already going. Thanks for moving it.

LiveForTheGame
12-01-2004, 07:04 PM
James is too valuable to Indy for them to let him go. They'll let Harrison go before James if they can't keep both because Manning can hit anyone and the same result will occur. It'll be easier for them to find a new WR to fill the spot than a RB to fill James's spot. However, isn't Ricky coming back for the Dolphins?

twinjetfan
12-01-2004, 07:09 PM
Don't even think about getting Ricky Williams. He is a real head case. We AFC East fans know best because he was in our division (not to mention the up to date Ricky Quotes and pictures).

I doubt you guys will get Edge. He is doing great in Indy this year, and is probably ahead of Marvin Harrison to get resigned.

texansfan88
12-01-2004, 07:23 PM
I'd much rather get a cheap option like Blaylock or maybe even a rook like J.J. Arrington

Texans Pride
12-01-2004, 07:30 PM
I am sure the fins players won't be to happy to see ricky back..maybe if they get edge the texans should take a shot at ricky williams..he might be ok back in texas.

Are you drunk? I don't want that self absorbed fool on this team....

Youngstown Colt
12-01-2004, 07:56 PM
edge may be the most complete back in the NFL along with LT. their games are only separated by what they do in the open field. edge will lower his shoulder, and LT will make the sick moves. i do expect edge to command top 3 RB money, but the colts may give it to him.

texan279
12-01-2004, 10:18 PM
If the Colts pay Edge top 3 money, Harrison is as good as gone. I don't see how they could afford Manning's contract and pay Edge top 3 money.

kuno
12-01-2004, 10:49 PM
The Colts are not dumb enough to give a top 10 RB, top 3 Money. He may ask for it, but he aint getting it unless he wants to play for the Bears.

aj.
12-02-2004, 06:49 AM
Since we're thinking about the Jets this week, I think the Texans will make another run at Lamont Jordan in March. They've tried twice before.

Youngstown Colt
12-02-2004, 11:35 AM
If the Colts pay Edge top 3 money, Harrison is as good as gone. I don't see how they could afford Manning's contract and pay Edge top 3 money.
i hope they dont, but the truth is edge gas every right to ask for it. it all depends on what edge and marvin want that will determine if edge becomes a free agent

ArlingtonTexan
12-02-2004, 02:51 PM
Since we're thinking about the Jets this week, I think the Texans will make another run at Lamont Jordan in March. They've tried twice before.

this approach is the one I like best...lower mileage guy at a good price instead overpaying for a lot of mileage.

tulexan
12-02-2004, 09:37 PM
why isn't anyone talking about shaun alexander rather than edgerrin james. shaun alexander is much better than edge and the seahawks are in a similar problem with shaun alexander, matt hasselbeck, and walter jones.

Youngstown Colt
12-02-2004, 10:04 PM
alexander better than james?!? do explain. is alexander the all time leader in avg yards from scrimmage per game? no, thats james. fantasy football isnt real football, if it was, alexander would be the better back. watch how many times edge makes something from nothing, and how many times alexander goes down after one hit.

infantrycak
12-02-2004, 11:17 PM
alexander better than james?!? do explain

Well an argument can certainly be made. In a year to year and a half less playing time:

James 4.2 ypc, 48 TD's, 35 runs over 20 yards and 27 fumbles

Alexander 4.4 ypc, 56 TD's, 39 runs over 20 yards and 15 fumbles

ArlingtonTexan
12-02-2004, 11:27 PM
Well an argument can certainly be made. In a year to year and a half less playing time:

James 4.2 ypc, 48 TD's, 35 runs over 20 yards and 27 fumbles

Alexander 4.4 ypc, 56 TD's, 39 runs over 20 yards and 15 fumbles

Honestly, for the style that the Texans play, I think alexander is a better fit. The biggest question i have heard concerning him are questions of whether he runs hard a the time. Outside of that he is effective at the goal line, catches the ball out of the backfield, and has been healthy for a RB.

PlanoColt
12-03-2004, 02:14 AM
The problem is that Indy cannot afford Marvin Harrison AND Edgerrin James next year. Harrison is one of the top 3-4 WR's in the league. James is a good back but not one of the top 3-4. It is easier to find a good RB than a top 5 WR. Plus RB's usually don't require much time to develop, whereas WR can be one of the slower developing positions on the team.

how do you know they can't afford both? they'll be fine as far as the salary cap goes (cap numbers are low for new salaries, and manning's cap hit is still low next year). their only issue is bonus money, and if that's the case they'll franchise one (whichever would be cheaper for the year), and sign the other to a long term contract.. then the year after that, they can sign the other to a long term contract.

aj.
12-03-2004, 07:22 AM
As far as Alexander, here's a few quotes from a Seattle writer I contacted yesterday (I asked him for his gut feel on Alexander's future with the Hags):

"My gut tells me he's gone. for a couple reasons. 1. shaun would like a bigger spotlight. 2. the seahawks have 14 unrestricted free agents, and their offense isn't predicated on a great running back, although his play this season makes that decision, much, much tougher. 3. he's not holmgren's top guy, although he could be sliding up the list.

Bottom line: i wouldn't be shocked either way. but if you want my gut, he's gone."

I'm surprised at a couple of the things he said.

edo783
12-03-2004, 08:29 AM
Thanks AJ. Good stuff. I to am shocked that he is counting Alexander among the gone. He is a pretty darn good back and most teams wouldn't let him get away. If it comes to that, I say we should take a look. Probably will come with a REALLY high $$$$$ amount to get though.

TheOgre
12-03-2004, 08:42 AM
how do you know they can't afford both? they'll be fine as far as the salary cap goes (cap numbers are low for new salaries, and manning's cap hit is still low next year). their only issue is bonus money, and if that's the case they'll franchise one (whichever would be cheaper for the year), and sign the other to a long term contract.. then the year after that, they can sign the other to a long term contract.

The problem is that the Colts need to get better on defense. That has been your Achille's heal. If you wrap all of your money into Manning, Harrison, and James, there won't be much (if anything) left for the defense. Manning is clearly the best QB in the NFL right now. The offense will be there. The defense HAS to get better if you want to get past the Patriots on a consistent basis.

Blake
12-03-2004, 08:59 AM
I think the Colts will keep James. Shift Wayne to #1, draft a #2, and stick Stokely in the slot.

2nd round pick: Chris Henry from West Virginia, or Terrence Murphy out of aTm.

TheOgre
12-03-2004, 10:51 AM
That is nuts.

Harrison > James

PlanoColt
12-03-2004, 11:08 AM
The problem is that the Colts need to get better on defense. That has been your Achille's heal. If you wrap all of your money into Manning, Harrison, and James, there won't be much (if anything) left for the defense. Manning is clearly the best QB in the NFL right now. The offense will be there. The defense HAS to get better if you want to get past the Patriots on a consistent basis.

the colts defense IS getting better. over the 2nd half of the season, they are 9th in total defense as opposed to 31st over the 1st half. they lead the league in turnover ratio at +17, and have 2 guys close to the top in sacks. they have alot of the personnel they need on defense. some guys have been injured, and they need one more draft to address the linebacker (especially mlb) and other corner position. they are in great shape at all other defensive positions. their other biggest problem is that they were young and inexperienced. with the increased experience, it's now making a difference. so with that said, they can afford to keep the big 3 and have a good defense. it's just taken some time to get all of dungy's pieces in place there.

PlanoColt
12-03-2004, 11:12 AM
The Colts are not dumb enough to give a top 10 RB, top 3 Money. He may ask for it, but he aint getting it unless he wants to play for the Bears.

uh, edge is a top 3 rb. as a matter of fact, he's #2 in the nfl in rushing right now. only 4 yards behind alexander. and he's a better receiver out of the backfield than alexander (334 receiving yards to 103 for alexander).. so I would say he's the best all around back in the nfl right now. it would be between him and LT, but I think edge is a better rusher than LT. he's also one of the best blocking backs in the nfl. so yeah, they will give him top 3 money, because he IS a top 3 running back.

Blake
12-03-2004, 11:20 AM
That is nuts.

Harrison > James

Is that so?

Rushing Yards .
1186 yards. Not to mention his 334 recieving yards.
#2 in NFL - Edge James

Recieving Yards.
764 Yards
#18 in NFL - Marvin Harrison

beerlover
12-03-2004, 11:27 AM
Since we're thinking about the Jets this week, I think the Texans will make another run at Lamont Jordan in March. They've tried twice before.

I totally agree with you on this one AJ :coolb: Lamont Jordan would be a great pick-up, Texans fans watch him closely (although it may hurt this week) he may show out just a little extra in front of one of his suitors :read:

Youngstown Colt
12-03-2004, 12:05 PM
I think the Colts will keep James. Shift Wayne to #1, draft a #2, and stick Stokely in the slot.

2nd round pick: Chris Henry from West Virginia, or Terrence Murphy out of aTm.
chris henry? no thanks, i dont think we need any headcases on this team. but there is talk that the salary cap is going to increase next year, giving the colts more room to make moves. im completely confident the triplets will return next year

Supertex
12-04-2004, 12:02 PM
James in my opinion would be a good addition. But only if the price is right. DD is still young and getting better so I really dont see EJ coming to us. I more or less see him running next year for either the Titans or the dolphins. Either way I will always support the texans. I beleive we should keep our rookies together because in a matter of time they will be a essential team.

TexanExile
12-04-2004, 12:51 PM
i dont think we need any headcases on this team.


Yeah, I'd hate to see Colts players do headcase things like wear Ron Artest jerseys around and talk about what a misunderstood guy he is.... :rofl:

Youngstown Colt
12-04-2004, 01:10 PM
Yeah, I'd hate to see Colts players do headcase things like wear Ron Artest jerseys around and talk about what a misunderstood guy he is.... :rofl:
or wear a friends jersey and say they think the punishment was too harsh. you know, like what actually happened. keep digging, you may find some real dirt sometime

Reddevil63
12-04-2004, 01:59 PM
too harsh??? I wouldnt have shed a tear if they banned him ala Pete Rose

Youngstown Colt
12-04-2004, 04:03 PM
but youre also not his friend.

for the record, i dont care either, kick him out of the game. but theres nothing wrong with supporting someone

TheOgre
12-07-2004, 09:36 AM
the colts defense IS getting better. over the 2nd half of the season, they are 9th in total defense as opposed to 31st over the 1st half. they lead the league in turnover ratio at +17, and have 2 guys close to the top in sacks. they have alot of the personnel they need on defense. some guys have been injured, and they need one more draft to address the linebacker (especially mlb) and other corner position. they are in great shape at all other defensive positions. their other biggest problem is that they were young and inexperienced. with the increased experience, it's now making a difference. so with that said, they can afford to keep the big 3 and have a good defense. it's just taken some time to get all of dungy's pieces in place there.

I heard on 610 radio just last night that Indianapolis has the most lopsided offense/defense salary disparity, 65% to 35% respectively. I'd be surprised if they signed both players and kept it that way.

TheOgre
12-07-2004, 09:44 AM
Is that so?

Rushing Yards .
1186 yards. Not to mention his 334 recieving yards.
#2 in NFL - Edge James

Recieving Yards.
764 Yards
#18 in NFL - Marvin Harrison

The reason that Marvin Harrison's numbers are down is the rise of Stokley and Reggie Wayne. Harrison was double-teamed a lot early in the season.

Inspite of that, Harrison still has more TD's than James. Out of receivers, Harrison has the most TD's in the AFC (12) and is only second to T.O. in the entire NFL. If you let Harrison go and promote Reggie Wayne and Brandon Stokley, you run a high risk of encountering the same issues the Falcons have had with Peerless Price. He isn't the same without Moulds, is he?

coltsfreeney93
12-07-2004, 09:46 AM
The Colts administration already said they are going to resign Edge and Marvin. Look for the Colts to release Marcus Pollard and Mike Vanderjagt. The Colts aren't going to break the tripletts up anytime soon. Also look for Manning to reconfigure his contract to keep them there.

TheOgre
12-07-2004, 10:12 AM
That is fine with me. I don't think the defense will be consistently good unless you spend some money on it. Otherwise you are going to start losing the only decent players you have on that side of the ball.

As a Texan's fan, I am glad to see that.

PlanoColt
12-07-2004, 10:17 AM
I heard on 610 radio just last night that Indianapolis has the most lopsided offense/defense salary disparity, 65% to 35% respectively. I'd be surprised if they signed both players and kept it that way.

I wouldn't be surprised at all. they know they are a primarily offensive team. that's how they built the team to be, and that's where they will keep most of their money invested. even though the defense is getting better, it's not a great defense, so you don't want to start taking away from your offensive talent and then have just a decent defense and just a decent offense... that makes for a mediocre team. they know they are an offensive team, and they will sign both marvin and edge to keep it that way, and they will continue to build the defense through the draft.

TexansTrueFan
12-07-2004, 10:23 AM
prolly about 35 % of the 65% goes to manning :bouncey: yeah i'm sure manning needs a new car or something so lets not lower his pay :thud:

coltsrule
12-07-2004, 11:09 AM
The short answer is no, no and no.

I'll be very surprised if Edge is not in South Beach next year.

It makes no sense to throw multi millions at a RB with that kind of mileage.
Local stories say you are both wrong. Edge has recently said he wants to stay here with Manning and Marvin. South Beach is a mess and will be for a long while, Texans are in better shape. The deal with Marvin is just about done and Edge is next. Peyton is making a ton, but it is actually less than last year against the cap and the cap goes up next year. Besides, without all the support, edge goes to a one dimensional team and he doesn't put up near the stats. One of the best things he does is block for manning in Blitz situations, w/o a Manning he is reduced to a runner, and Dominic Rhodes and others have proven, if you just want a runner, they can do that. If edge wants the HOF and a true legend, he'll be in Indy for next 7 years. besides with the Harrison deal all but done, they'll hang the "Franchise" tag on him next year and either get lots of #1 picks for him thereafter or he'll re-up.

infantrycak
12-07-2004, 11:18 AM
Besides, without all the support, edge goes to a one dimensional team and he doesn't put up near the stats.

Now here is a true statement and yet another reason the Texans shouldn't even think about making a run at James--he benefits tremendously from being a secondary threat on a pass happy team.

El Tejano
12-07-2004, 01:33 PM
Not true. Early on in Manning's career, Edge was the real reason Indy became a power in the NFL.

infantrycak
12-07-2004, 03:01 PM
Not true. Early on in Manning's career, Edge was the real reason Indy became a power in the NFL.

You mean early like in 1998 as a rookie when Manning had more yards passing than Carr will this year or any of the years since then when Manning had over 4000 yds passing every year? There is clearly a reciprocal relationship between a running game helping a QB and a passing game helping a RB, but there really doesn't seem to be an argument IMO that Manning is better as a QB than James as a RB, that Indy's offense is built around Manning, not James and that James has benefited more from Manning than vice versa.

Youngstown Colt
12-07-2004, 03:03 PM
Not true. Early on in Manning's career, Edge was the real reason Indy became a power in the NFL.

well, im not sure about that. manning had marshall faulk in his rookie year when he struggled, and they won 3 games (i believe faulk was the best RB in the NFL at that time) but in mannings second year when they got EJ, i think it was just as much manning as it was edge

coltsrock
12-08-2004, 06:44 PM
This just in......

The Colts have agreed with Marvin Harrison on a 7 year contract extension. This does a couple of things. First, with conversions of roster bonus to signing bonus monies, his cap hit could actually be LESS next year than this year, giving more room under a scheduled to be larger cap. This makes room to sign the Edge. Barring that, it would allow the franchise tag to be put on Edge. He will also be a Colt next year!

In other breaking news, the Colts signed Gramaticca today, releasing Jason Baker who had been handling kickoff duties.

Thought you'd like to hear the breaking news!

CrumplerFan
12-08-2004, 06:47 PM
This just in......

The Colts have agreed with Marvin Harrison on a 7 year contract extension. This does a couple of things. First, with conversions of roster bonus to signing bonus monies, his cap hit could actually be LESS next year than this year, giving more room under a scheduled to be larger cap. This makes room to sign the Edge. Barring that, it would allow the franchise tag to be put on Edge. He will also be a Colt next year!

In other breaking news, the Colts signed Gramaticca today, releasing Jason Baker who had been handling kickoff duties.

Thought you'd like to hear the breaking news!

I've read that the Cap status of harrison will be about 9 million for the next four years. Can that really be lesser than his actual status? Do you know that for sure?

coltsrock
12-08-2004, 07:00 PM
From ESPN:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1942016

Two excerpts of interest:
Harrison, who was scheduled to enter free agency after this season, is guaranteed $22 million between now and 2006 and received a $6 million signing bonus. He is making $5.56 million this season.

And:
The structure of Harrison's contract will allow enough flexibility for the Colts to try to find a way to keep running back Edgerrin James. There is a $7 million roster bonus that can be converted into a signing bonus in order to lower Harrison's cap number in 2005 to around only $3.2 million.

This means a cap hit next year that is $2.36M less!

This should help, and as long as te CBA gets done and the cap goes up as expected due to the TV contracts, it shouldn't be a problem!

wags
12-08-2004, 07:08 PM
So what players are going to be ex-Colts because of this and Edge's potential signing?

coltsrock
12-08-2004, 07:28 PM
Again, think cap. The cap goes UP, Harrison's hit goes DOWN. Both headed in the right direction for the Colts.

That is not to say there won't be some people that do not wear a Colts jersey next year. But not because of the cap.

My guess is Morris (MLB) will not be back. Never lived up to expectations. Pollard is expedable because of Clark's emergence as well as 3 other STRONG TE's behind that pair. We have a couple along the O-line that are UFAs, and you may see one go. Howard Mudd is an O-line genius, so that could happen easily. Brad Scioli(DE/DT) may be cut. Harper (CB) is almost assured to be gone since he is a UFA.

There are several others I may have to look up.

The nice thing about this is, that because the cap goes up, and the hits are going down, along with some strategic cuts, none of the losses should be because of the cap. It will be either because the Colts didn't feel they were worth the asking price, or because they decided to move on.

How are the Texans on cap?

CrumplerFan
12-08-2004, 08:14 PM
Again, think cap. The cap goes UP, Harrison's hit goes DOWN. Both headed in the right direction for the Colts.

That is not to say there won't be some people that do not wear a Colts jersey next year. But not because of the cap.

My guess is Morris (MLB) will not be back. Never lived up to expectations. Pollard is expedable because of Clark's emergence as well as 3 other STRONG TE's behind that pair. We have a couple along the O-line that are UFAs, and you may see one go. Howard Mudd is an O-line genius, so that could happen easily. Brad Scioli(DE/DT) may be cut. Harper (CB) is almost assured to be gone since he is a UFA.

There are several others I may have to look up.

The nice thing about this is, that because the cap goes up, and the hits are going down, along with some strategic cuts, none of the losses should be because of the cap. It will be either because the Colts didn't feel they were worth the asking price, or because they decided to move on.

How are the Texans on cap?

Well, hits me more than unexpected. Your theory and the numbers look pretty well even if i dislike the possibility of the hydra staying in place. Let's see if everything falls into place like you've said. The asking price of Edge won't be low nor do i expect him to think about the Colts situation first. He could earn some bucks in FA and the Colts would have to match it or tag him and both aren't cheap choices.

edo783
12-08-2004, 08:27 PM
It is also pretty likely that Payton will restructure if needed. They MAY not wind up in cap hell after all.

aj.
12-08-2004, 08:37 PM
The only thing restructure gets you eventually is where McNair and the Titans are next year. In other words, make hay while the sun's shinin'

El Tejano
12-09-2004, 12:31 PM
Well ESPN bottom line reported last night that the Colts signed Marvin Harrison to a 7 year deal and it sounds as if they organized his contract to where they would be able to sign Edge again.

TheOgre
12-09-2004, 12:44 PM
Again, think cap. The cap goes UP, Harrison's hit goes DOWN. Both headed in the right direction for the Colts.

Harrison's cap hit goes down for 2005 only from the sound of it. They are basically taking his 2005 salary and prorating it over years. That is great for 2005, but you eventually get stuck with that money. Sounds like as early as 2006 his salary will be higher than it is right now.

coltsrock
12-09-2004, 04:43 PM
Actually, there are scheduled roster bonuses in 2005 AND 2006, both of which can be converted to signing bonuses and therefore prorated. 206 doesn't look abd either. As to restructring, consensus is that the cap is going to be going UP, and quite a bit given the new TV contracts. Couple that with dead money that should be rolling off the Colts cap, and things don't look too bad.

Sounds like the Colts will be able to help themselves also by cutting people scheduled to make quite a bit next year, or at least more than they're worth. Morris, Pollard, Scioli.

And even Vandy may be up for grabs. And before you say "that's nuts!", consider a couple of facts. Yes he is the most accurate kicker in the history of football. But his hit next year will be somewhere between $2.5M and $3M. Coupled with the fact that the Colts finally figured out how to score TDs in the red zone, where last year we relied on Vady a LOT more, and he becomes more expendable. And, the Colts just signed Grammatica. He's been down this year. Can he come back? Wo knows? But not a bad situation to be in.

Now, hopefully they can shore up the defense some!

TheOgre
12-09-2004, 04:47 PM
Gramatica missed 7 of his last 9 kicks for the Bucs. It could be a slump, but do you want to risk it next year?

CrumplerFan
12-09-2004, 05:08 PM
Coupled with the fact that the Colts finally figured out how to score TDs in the red zone, where last year we relied on Vady a LOT more, and he becomes more expendable. And, the Colts just signed Grammatica. He's been down this year. Can he come back? Wo knows? But not a bad situation to be in.

Now, hopefully they can shore up the defense some!

I wouldn't be sure that the Colts can repeat on THAT level again next year and without 30 point leads in the 3rd quarter a very good kicker could be worth his money. And at least some kind of defense would be nice also, i supppose.

I've heard that the Panthers and Pats were paying the No.1 and No.2 ranked salary for their top special teamer. They got them though in clutch time and got em some wins, so don't underestimate the worth of your kicker!

coltsrock
12-09-2004, 05:17 PM
Ogre, you're absolutely correct! It may or may not be a slump. The nice thing is, the Colts have him for kickoffs only this year, and will have the remainder of this year and the offseason to evaluate.

And Crumpler, you're right too. It will be difficult to match what is going on this year. But last year, the Colts had a terrible record of scoring TDs in te red zone. They have changed strategies this year and will pass first, then look for the run. It seems to be working better for them. Given their personnel, and the fact that they're coming back pretty much intact for next year, it should be much better, and therefore put less emphasis on the kicker.

Having Vandy would be great, having a good corner would be better. It may become a tradeoff.

One note about this board: it is GREAT to talk football. Good board! Keep it up!

PlanoColt
12-09-2004, 06:11 PM
Ogre, you're absolutely correct! It may or may not be a slump. The nice thing is, the Colts have him for kickoffs only this year, and will have the remainder of this year and the offseason to evaluate.

And Crumpler, you're right too. It will be difficult to match what is going on this year. But last year, the Colts had a terrible record of scoring TDs in te red zone. They have changed strategies this year and will pass first, then look for the run. It seems to be working better for them. Given their personnel, and the fact that they're coming back pretty much intact for next year, it should be much better, and therefore put less emphasis on the kicker.

Having Vandy would be great, having a good corner would be better. It may become a tradeoff.

One note about this board: it is GREAT to talk football. Good board! Keep it up!

vandy will definitely be gone next year. he's not happy with the colts taking away his kickoff duties, and he's just making too much money. he's gone.

so is marcus pollard. pollard is scheduled to make quite a bit next year, and we have drafted some other tight ends, so he will be released.

morris may be resigned at the vet minimum for depth. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him back in indy, especially considering that polian likes him.

marvin's cap hit will be low for at least 3 years. they don't structure new contracts to shoot up dramatically after only one year. it's just about like peyton's... his is fine for the first few years, and then it goes up alot. by then, it's time to restructure.

SandersIsTheFuture
12-09-2004, 08:45 PM
Stop wasting your time. edgerin is going to get the franchise tag, and we do have enough money to take care of it. With marvin's new contract he is going to hit the cap less next year. So stop talking about miami (those are old, old rumors) and stop talking about picking him up in free agency. Like we would just let him go like that anyways. I can't believe you guys are serious about this. just like believing the colts ran up the score on you. you don't run the ball when there are eight in the box. You guys were still fighting in the game, so we don't let you start a comeback. You give us the pass and we take it. my god.