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Ole Miss Texan
12-17-2007, 02:19 PM
I leave it up to others to add to this list but i'll get it rolling. All we need to look at is how our players rank against their respective positions in the AFC:

DE-Mario Williams:
53 Tackles (37 solo, 16 assisted)...leads DE's in Sacks by 1.5 at 13 total. Has 2 forced fumbles, 1 fumble recovery, and 1 TD

Have to compare him to the other DE's in the AFC:
Jared Allen-Chiefs (58total 50solo 8assist 11.5 sacks, 2 forced fumbles)
Elvis Dumerville-Broncos (34total 31s 3a, 11.0 Sacks -- 5Pass deflections 1 Interception, 4 forced fumbles, 1 fumble recovery)
Jason Taylor-Dolphins (48total 41s 7a, 10.0 Sacks 5 PD 1 INT 1 Touchdown, 4 FF, 3 F.Recoveries)

DT Amobi Okoye:
30 Tackles 22 solo 8 assist 5.5 Sacks (2nd place, .5 behind AFC DT leader) 1 forced fumble

Compared to other DT's in the AFC:
Albert Haynsworth-Titans (36 total 31 solo 5 assist 6.0 sacks, 0 FF) *leads AFC DT's in sacks
NT Dewayne Robertson-Jets(48 t 32 s 16 a 4.0 Sacks)
Gerard Warrent- Raiders(20 t 18 s 2 a 4.0 Sacks 1 Safety, 1 FF)

MLB Demeco Ryans:
Tied for leage leader among M/I LB's with 121 Tackles, 95 Solo, 26 Assist, 2 Sacks, 7 PD, 1 Interception, 1 FF, 3 Fumble Recoveries, 1 TD)

Other Middle and Inside Linebackers in AFC:
DJ Williams- Broncos (121 T 90 S 26 A, 1 Sack, 6 PD, 1 INT, 2 FF, 2 FR)
Ray Lewis- Ravens- (120 T 82 S 38 A, 2 Sacks, 12 PD, 2 INT, 1 TD, 2 FF, 1 FR)
Kirk Morrison- Raiders (109 T 88s 21a, 1 sack, 12 PD, 3 INT, 1 FR)
Gary Brackett- Colts (107 T 81s 26a, .5 sacks, 11 PD, 4 INT, 1 FF, 1 FR, 1TD)

HoustonFrog
12-17-2007, 02:21 PM
I think the sad part is that Mario may miss out in the initial stages because of the antiquated voting system and the fact that many people have already voted...before this last game.

TEXANS84
12-17-2007, 02:25 PM
Sad, but I have to agree with HoustonFrog.
I'm pretty sure Mario will be left out...and players like Jason Seymour (Pats-fan favorite) and Jason Taylor will get in. It will be a travesty if that happens...but it is forseable.

nunusguy
12-17-2007, 02:42 PM
One big thing Mario has going for him is that many of his main AFC competitors for sack-stats are 3-4 OLBs like Merriman with the Bolts who won't be competing with him at the DE position.
Mario has been a sensation, spectacular but only in the later half of this season (except he did have an excellent performance in the season opener),
so I dunno if this late burst is enought to get him in, I doubt it.
I'm very hopeful about DeMeco and he is clearly the more deserving IMO. He's had another good season, except for the last game or two because of injury.
Both DeMeco & Mario benefit by having fewer big names to go up agsinst this year, as some of the perennial ProBowlers are having off years.
I dunno how AO is in the conversation, even his rookie year is progressing well and his potential is impressive ?

austintexanite
12-17-2007, 02:58 PM
Sad, but I have to agree with HoustonFrog.
I'm pretty sure Mario will be left out...and players like Jason Seymour (Pats-fan favorite) and Jason Taylor will get in. It will be a travesty if that happens...but it is forseable.

I think the sad part is that Mario may miss out in the initial stages because of the antiquated voting system and the fact that many people have already voted...before this last game.

Don't forget that the coaches and players count for 2/3 of the voting process. I'm not saying that he is a shoe in, but the last day for players and coaches to fill out their forms is today. I think he has a pretty good shot because of that.

TexanAddict
12-17-2007, 03:14 PM
Except that most teams had already turned in their votes prior to our Thursday game

austintexanite
12-17-2007, 03:16 PM
Except that most teams had already turned in their votes prior to our Thursday game

And still, if they did their homework Mario was 3rd in sacks as DE in the AFC before Thursday. I believe you get to choose 3 DE's.

TexanAddict
12-17-2007, 03:20 PM
But you also have to factor in some cronyism, with players and coaches voting for friends and former teammates and other going by name recognition. Mario is definitely deserving, I hope he makes it.

HoustonFrog
12-17-2007, 03:29 PM
Don't forget that the coaches and players count for 2/3 of the voting process. I'm not saying that he is a shoe in, but the last day for players and coaches to fill out their forms is today. I think he has a pretty good shot because of that.

I know but that is the problem..they all still turned them in. Not saying that he won't get votes but the last game gave some that hadn't seen alot of him a chance to and it was too late. I see him making it as someone that fills in the roster spot only because of this. He deserves it though.

Carr Bombed
12-17-2007, 03:39 PM
Probowl voting shouldn't start until the end of the season.....basically it should all take place during the month of the playoffs........I mean most of the voting is wrapped up with like 3 or 4 games to go, that is almost a 1/4 of the season.

PapaL
12-17-2007, 04:08 PM
*Disregard - Already mentioned*

Thorn
12-17-2007, 04:47 PM
I hope Mario makes it, but if he doesn't, fine. He still plays for us. http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/images/graemlins/evil.gif

dtran04
12-17-2007, 04:57 PM
It's okay if he doesn't. Makes him hungrier next year.

markn
12-17-2007, 05:08 PM
Mario's way too far back to get the fan vote, which is basically a beauty contest anyway. If he'd started this great run of form a few games earlier, then he'd have a better chance with the coaches and players' votes.

Kaiser Toro
12-17-2007, 05:13 PM
I hope he makes it just as a replacement. Keep him hungry for next year.

mexican_texan
12-17-2007, 07:12 PM
Would a winless Dolphin team really get Jason Taylor into the Pro Bowl? He has the name recognition, but hasn't won a single game yet, or at least not when the voting stopped.

imatexan
12-17-2007, 08:11 PM
Why didnt you put Kris Brown in there?

mexican_texan
12-17-2007, 08:21 PM
Why didnt you put Kris Brown in there?
No way he gets in over Rob Bironas.

Ole Miss Texan
12-17-2007, 10:30 PM
Would a winless Dolphin team really get Jason Taylor into the Pro Bowl? He has the name recognition, but hasn't won a single game yet, or at least not when the voting stopped.

Jason Taylor started the year off slow but has really played well. He's got 10 sacks, 4 forced fumbles, 3 fumble recoveries, an interception and 1 touchdown. He may be on a terrible team but he's still putting up very good numbers.

Why didnt you put Kris Brown in there?

My first sentence was that I'll leave it to other people to make their case for other players on our team. I just wanted to highlight the 3 that I thought had the best case to make it. Plus, there are other kickers in the AFC that would most likely make pro bowl ahead of Kris Brown. Bironas especially.

Yankee_In_TX
12-18-2007, 09:05 AM
1. What time do we find out today?

2. I liked Ahman's quote on the radio w/r to the Pro Bowl "You get in one year later than you should, you stay one year longer than you should"

Ole Miss Texan
12-18-2007, 10:42 AM
1. What time do we find out today?

2. I liked Ahman's quote on the radio w/r to the Pro Bowl "You get in one year later than you should, you stay one year longer than you should"

1. I think it's 3pm central times

2. That was really funny yet true.

nunusguy
12-18-2007, 11:36 AM
I have a hunch that a scenario is setting up that is gonna upset a lot of us here in Houston.
I think there's a real chance that Patrick Willis, who is having a very good rookie year at SF in the NFC conference and is an inside like DeMeco is,
may not only be named DROY but make the PB in his conference while DeMeco, who of course was DROY last year, will not be named to the PB in the AFC even though he's in his second year in the league.

False Start
12-18-2007, 11:40 AM
From what they are saying on the radio , Mario is in . :cool:

Specnatz
12-18-2007, 11:40 AM
Jason Taylor started the year off slow but has really played well. He's got 10 sacks, 4 forced fumbles, 3 fumble recoveries, an interception and 1 touchdown. He may be on a terrible team but he's still putting up very good numbers.


My first sentence was that I'll leave it to other people to make their case for other players on our team. I just wanted to highlight the 3 that I thought had the best case to make it. Plus, there are other kickers in the AFC that would most likely make pro bowl ahead of Kris Brown. Bironas especially.

But if a lot of people turned in there voting prior to Thursday game then Taylors last game would not have been included as well and he got 2 sacks 4 tackles and a safety and a pass defended, so those would not be included.

awtysst
12-18-2007, 01:13 PM
But if a lot of people turned in there voting prior to Thursday game then Taylors last game would not have been included as well and he got 2 sacks 4 tackles and a safety and a pass defended, so those would not be included.

But Jason Taylor is a known entity and the Pro Bowl tends to be a place the fans vote for players on how they "perceive they are" not necessarily on actual stats.

SheTexan
12-18-2007, 01:16 PM
Kris Brown is a much better kicker than Briones. Just because our TEXANS let him make us look like fools doesn't make him a pro-bowler. JMO!!

TEXANS84
12-18-2007, 01:17 PM
I don't see how Taylor would not be in. I'm pretty sure he's a lock, including fan favorite.

austintexanite
12-18-2007, 01:37 PM
We'll find out in about an hour and a half. :texflag:

Lucky
12-18-2007, 01:53 PM
From what they are saying on the radio , Mario is in . :cool:

Hopefully, DeMeco is in, too.

Kris Brown is a much better kicker than Briones.
They've both had great years. Too bad only one gets to go.

Kris has been 12-14 from 40+ yards. Plus, the longest FG made this year, 57 yards. Great season, Kris!

Yankee_In_TX
12-18-2007, 02:23 PM
I'm headed to the gym. Time to find out if they have NFLN, lol.

Brandon420tx
12-18-2007, 02:43 PM
17 minutes to go.

nero THE zero
12-18-2007, 02:45 PM
I can't believe the rosters haven't leaked yet.

Lucky
12-18-2007, 02:57 PM
Dallas gets 11 in (http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm). Chiefs Allen & Gonzalez are in.

Errant Hothy
12-18-2007, 03:05 PM
Demeco is the starting MLB, no Mario or any other Texans.

http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story;jsessionid=36C2AEEA2C7A23855CFD53DDD0C75ED0? id=09000d5d8053b226&template=without-video&confirm=true

Brandon420tx
12-18-2007, 03:05 PM
Demeco in, Mario out.

austintexanite
12-18-2007, 03:06 PM
Demeco in, Mario out.

Good for Demeco, but he probably won't even play there because of his knee. Who made it for DE's?

TexansCM
12-18-2007, 03:06 PM
Mario, Kris Brown and Will Demps are Alternates.

Lucky
12-18-2007, 03:08 PM
Allen, Vanden Bosch, & Taylor are the AFC DEs.

Specnatz
12-18-2007, 03:10 PM
That is a serious crock of bullcrap.

281
12-18-2007, 03:10 PM
Mario, Kris Brown and Will Demps are Alternates.

where'd you get that?..

Brandon420tx
12-18-2007, 03:10 PM
Mario, Kris Brown and Will Demps are Alternates.

:fans:

Overalls
12-18-2007, 03:11 PM
I am not overly surprised Mario didn't get in. It's like John McClain said, half these mental midgets with a vote, voted before the last couple of games. Now they look like idiots.

awtysst
12-18-2007, 03:11 PM
Mario, Kris Brown and Will Demps are Alternates.

So how does that work? If someone opts not to play or is injured?

TexansCM
12-18-2007, 03:12 PM
where'd you get that?..

Sports radio 610

Errant Hothy
12-18-2007, 03:13 PM
:D :D

For DeMeco

:brickwall: :brickwall:

For Mario

Specnatz
12-18-2007, 03:13 PM
I am not overly surprised Mario didn't get in. It's like John McClain said, half these mental midgets with a vote, voted before the last couple of games. Now they look like idiots.

John McClain would know all about mental midgets.

austintexanite
12-18-2007, 03:14 PM
Mario should have gotten in before the guy from Tennessee and Taylor.

TEXANS84
12-18-2007, 03:14 PM
What a load of crap.

Ole Miss Texan
12-18-2007, 03:14 PM
Way to go Demeco!! Really wish Mario would have gotten it too, but this will push him even more for next year.

Ole Miss Texan
12-18-2007, 03:16 PM
So how does that work? If someone opts not to play or is injured?

I think if I remember correctly that's why VY went last year. He was like the 2nd alternate behind Tom Brady who decided he didn't want to play in it. And Phillip Rivers couldn't because of an injury.

Lucky
12-18-2007, 03:20 PM
Really wish Mario would have gotten it...

Peyton Manning will probably feel the same way, on Sunday.

Texan_Bill
12-18-2007, 03:21 PM
WHAT!?!?! WTH, no "his highness"???? All he does is win.

austintexanite
12-18-2007, 03:21 PM
Way to go Demeco!! Really wish Mario would have gotten it too, but this will push him even more for next year.

I'm hoping he gets another shot, but the Tack and Taylor shouldn't have gone before Mario and Dumervil. Doesn't every team need one representative? Miami got theirs. I'm fine with Taylor because he has had a better year than VD, but Dumervil and Mario should have taken it, along with Allen. Winslow got the shaft as well.

awtysst
12-18-2007, 03:21 PM
I think if I remember correctly that's why VY went last year. He was like the 2nd alternate behind Tom Brady who decided he didn't want to play in it. And Phillip Rivers couldn't because of an injury.

So what are the chances that Jared Allen, Kyle Vanden Bosch, or Taylor don't want to go?

Hook'er
12-18-2007, 03:24 PM
How did that punk Jason Taylor get in, he's playing for a 1 win team? That was Mario's spot!

awtysst
12-18-2007, 03:27 PM
How did that punk Jason Taylor get in, he's playing for a 1 win team? That was Mario's spot!

Name recognition. He is the reigning Defensive player of the year. Hopefully since he is a 5 time probowler, he will not want to play and give his spot to Mario.

HOU-TEX
12-18-2007, 03:27 PM
It happens every year. The pro-bowl has developed into nothing but a joke. :pirate:

MojoMan
12-18-2007, 03:27 PM
Mario, Kris Brown and Will Demps are Alternates.

If Will Demps is an alternate, that suggests the consensus is that he is doing great at free safety. Is Will Demps our free safety of the future? If so, that is one less need we have to try and address in the upcoming draft.

ATX
12-18-2007, 03:28 PM
How did that punk Jason Taylor get in, he's playing for a 1 win team? That was Mario's spot!

Damn British fans

Errant Hothy
12-18-2007, 03:28 PM
Man, DeMeco is getting the start in front of Ray Lewis...how cool must that be for DeMeco. I just hope he can go with his knee.

BigBull17
12-18-2007, 03:29 PM
This is messed up. I feel cheated for some reason. I mean, its a big deal that Demeco beat our Ray Ray, but Mario is better than Vandenbosh, and Taylor played OLB this year. Give me a break.

Kaiser Toro
12-18-2007, 03:29 PM
K Kris Brown, DE Mario Williams and FS Will Demps were all named as alternates for the AFC squad.

http://www.khou.com/sports/texans/stories/khou071218_cc_ryansprobowl.2b5e9247.html

The Dude Abides
12-18-2007, 03:29 PM
DeMeco Live Press Conference at 345
http://houstontexans.com/tv/index.asp?mm_file_id=2024&play_clip=Y

Errant Hothy
12-18-2007, 03:33 PM
Nice move be the NFL to put Sean Taylor on the Pro-Bowl roster.

Texan_Bill
12-18-2007, 03:33 PM
It happens every year. The pro-bowl has developed into nothing but a joke. :pirate:

That's why I wasn't sitting around with bated breath waiting for it to come out. I knew I would be laughing at what a joke the current system is.

Errant Hothy
12-18-2007, 03:34 PM
J'ville got 0 players on the squad.

Overalls
12-18-2007, 03:36 PM
I think if I remember correctly that's why VY went last year. He was like the 2nd alternate behind Tom Brady who decided he didn't want to play in it. And Phillip Rivers couldn't because of an injury.

Acctually VY was like the 5th alternate. He only went because when it came down to Steve McNair it was handed to him on a silver plater.

:fans:

Nawzer
12-18-2007, 03:36 PM
Congrats to DeMeco Ryans and the Houston Texans! I was not expecting DeMeco to get in but that was a pleasant surprise. As for Mario Williams I feel bad for him because he truly deserved to be a Pro-Bowler this year. But more fuel for the fire I guess. Mario should use this a motivation to have a better year overall instead of playing well in the second half of the season.

mexican_texan
12-18-2007, 03:37 PM
How many games did Will Demps play in?

Brandon420tx
12-18-2007, 03:42 PM
Man, DeMeco is getting the start in front of Ray Lewis...how cool must that be for DeMeco. I just hope he can go with his knee.

I'm glad he got in, but I don't want him to play unless he's healthy, he'll get to more probowls.

TEXANS84
12-18-2007, 03:42 PM
How many games did Will Demps play in?

7, maybe 8 at the most?

TEXANS84
12-18-2007, 03:42 PM
I like the AFC's three defensive ends -- Kansas City's Jared Allen, Tennessee's Kyle Vanden Bosch, and Miami's Jason Taylor. But I would can't help but wonder what happened to Houston's Mario Williams. True, his biggest game (3½ sacks) didn't come until Week 15 against Denver, but he was having a strong enough year before then to merit a trip to the Pro Bowl.
http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story;jsessionid=365D221D0390C80BE6F80D5A8D08460C? id=09000d5d8053b527&template=without-video&confirm=true

euro-Texan
12-18-2007, 03:44 PM
J'ville got 0 players on the squad.

I almost hope they win the SB just to show how screwed up the probowl selection system is. Wait, what the hell am I saying!?!

76Texan
12-18-2007, 03:44 PM
All vandenBosch did was to help the Jags, Broncos, and Bengals averaged 32.33 points in 3 losses without Haynesworth playing.:gun:

Errant Hothy
12-18-2007, 03:47 PM
I almost hope they win the SB just to show how screwed up the probowl selection system is. Wait, what the hell am I saying!?!

I know. As much as I hate to say it, the Jags deserved at least 1 person named to the roster, espically from their D.

Damn it, now I feel like I need a shower for saying that. :devilpig:

awtysst
12-18-2007, 03:47 PM
I noticed that Demps is the alternate. I wonder if he will go in Polamalu's place? Polamalu has been injured.

Spike
12-18-2007, 03:48 PM
What does it mean to be named an alternate? Does that mean that these guys are first in line in the event that someone gets injured or backs out...or does the NFL list certain players on every team as possible alternates?

I thought the comment about Demps was a joke. I thought he has played well for our squad, but had no idea that he had distinguished himself amongs all safties to that extent...

281
12-18-2007, 03:48 PM
I noticed that Demps is the alternate. I wonder if he will go in Polamalu's place? Polamalu has been injured.

Demps is a FS... Polamalu is a SS.

euro-Texan
12-18-2007, 03:49 PM
I noticed that Demps is the alternate. I wonder if he will go in Polamalu's place? Polamalu has been injured.

Yeah, that's all we need is our UFA's going to the damn probowl.

Errant Hothy
12-18-2007, 03:50 PM
Yeah, that's all we need is our UFA's going to the damn probowl.

Yeah, hopefully if Kubiak and Smith think is the answer at FS they are already talking to him about re-signing.

Porky
12-18-2007, 03:51 PM
If Mario had played the first half of the year like he did the second, he would have been all-pro much less pro-bowl. I don't understand why they can't wait until the regular season is over before voting. The damn game isn't until Febuary for crying out loud.

As for Demps, I'm shocked. Yes, he has played well since starting, and I think we can look at other spots in the offseason, but pro-bowl based on like 6 games of starting? Has the talent level at safety come down that far?

TEXANS84
12-18-2007, 03:54 PM
What does it mean to be named an alternate? Does that mean that these guys are first in line in the event that someone gets injured or backs out...or does the NFL list certain players on every team as possible alternates?


Player does not accept invitation or does not go due to an injury, alternate fills in.

awtysst
12-18-2007, 03:56 PM
ON ESPN they are having a Draft Special. They listed as the AFC starter ILB Demeco Ryans of the Pittsburgh Steelers?!
We are the Rodney Dangerfield of the NFL...No respect at all.

awtysst
12-18-2007, 03:56 PM
Player does not accept invitation or does not go due to an injury, alternate fills in.

How long does a player have to accept or decline based on interest or injury?

Ells1626
12-18-2007, 03:56 PM
Ok I am not that all surprised that Mario didn't make it and I am sure he will make it in because some one will decline, injury etc.

Now the fact the Demeco made it is awesome, but how freaking hard is it for ESPN to put down that he plays for the Houston Texans and not Pitt. I mean come on, the one guy on our team to make it and they can't give him the right team name. Rediculous...

euro-Texan
12-18-2007, 03:58 PM
ON ESPN they are having a Draft Special. They listed as the AFC starter ILB Demeco Ryans of the Pittsburgh Steelers?!
We are the Rodney Dangerfield of the NFL...No respect at all.

That is absolutly SHOCKING! I wouldn't expect that from such a POS station like ESPN.

euro-Texan
12-18-2007, 04:02 PM
I think PTI is about to mention Mario? It just say Williams, so it could be a spot about female tennis.

TEXANS84
12-18-2007, 04:02 PM
How long does a player have to accept or decline based on interest or injury?

I believe they have 1 week up until the date of the pro-bowl.

Specnatz
12-18-2007, 04:09 PM
ON ESPN they are having a Draft Special. They listed as the AFC starter ILB Demeco Ryans of the Pittsburgh Steelers?!
We are the Rodney Dangerfield of the NFL...No respect at all.

You mis heard it what they said. they were talking about Porter who was let go by the Steelers and the guy who replaced him goes to the pro-bowl.

They did give props to Mario but just barely.

nunusguy
12-18-2007, 04:09 PM
Congrats to DeMeco, I'm really happy for him and he is our most deserving player IMO. I was worried that he wouldn't make it, but its even sweeter for him to be named the starter ahead of Ray Lewis.
The guy I feel the worst for is D-Rob who was having his best season until
his injury. As for Mario, his rookie year was no where near DeMecos (and this award is clearly cumulative whether we like it or not),
and doing better this year up until Marios recent burst and
DeMecos blown PCL, which we are just learning about.
And the Jags not getting anybody in is the biggest ripoff, especially for Fred Taylor. What a shame.

euro-Texan
12-18-2007, 04:10 PM
No, it was Roy "Horsecoller" Williams

euro-Texan
12-18-2007, 04:13 PM
Congrats to DeMeco, I'm really happy for him and he is our most deserving player IMO. I was worried that he wouldn't make it, but its even sweeter for him to be named the starter ahead of Ray Lewis.
The guy I feel the worst for is D-Rob who was having his best season until
his injury. As for Mario, his rookie year was no where near DeMecos (and this award is clearly cumulative whether we like it or not),
and doing better this year up until Marios recent burst and
DeMecos blown PCL, which we are just learning about.
And the Jags not getting anybody in is the biggest ripoff, especially for Fred Taylor. What a shame.

Gerrard should have been selected over Ben Rothlisberger.

Kiss My Titans
12-18-2007, 04:14 PM
I think PTI is about to mention Mario? It just say Williams, so it could be a spot about female tennis.


oops.....you already saw it was Roy Williams.

crunkbuc4d1
12-18-2007, 04:15 PM
The Probowl is a big load of bull crap. Not one Buccaneer on the Pro Bowl roster and they have the #1 ranked defense in the NFC. The fact that Mario Williams isn't a starter is a joke as well. I honestly would take that kid over almost every other DE that made the Pro Bowl.

Kiss My Titans
12-18-2007, 04:16 PM
How long does a player have to accept or decline based on interest or injury?


Last year, Vince flew out the week of the Pro Bowl and the year before McNair was there on Wednesday before the game.

That is why neither participated in the pregame acitivities.

Leahmic223
12-18-2007, 04:17 PM
Mario not making the ProBowl is a blessing in disguise. Now he has something to work for and something to motivate him. That he leads the AFC in sacks and still is not going.

TEXANS84
12-18-2007, 04:17 PM
Wow, no Bucs. Didn't know that.

We live in a land of the Pats and Cowgirls, so hopefully somebody will dethrone them and send them back to a train wreck.

euro-Texan
12-18-2007, 04:19 PM
The Probowl is a big load of bull crap. Not one Buccaneer on the Pro Bowl roster and they have the #1 ranked defense in the NFC. The fact that Mario Williams isn't a starter is a joke as well. I honestly would take that kid over almost every other DE that made the Pro Bowl.

If this doesn't motivate him to destroy the colts I don't know what will. I'm hoping for something like Fast times at Ridgemont high after the guys car gets trashed.

Kiss My Titans
12-18-2007, 04:23 PM
If this doesn't motivate him to destroy the colts I don't know what will. I'm hoping for something like Fast times at Ridgemont high after the guys car gets trashed.

That's what I always hope for every year when Keith Bulluck doesn't make it after leading the fan voting and leading the conference in tackles.

Kaiser Toro
12-18-2007, 04:24 PM
If this doesn't motivate him to destroy the colts I don't know what will. I'm hoping for something like Fast times at Ridgemont high after the guys car gets trashed.

http://www.hadleysplace.com/images/header17full.jpg

awtysst
12-18-2007, 04:34 PM
You mis heard it what they said. they were talking about Porter who was let go by the Steelers and the guy who replaced him goes to the pro-bowl.

They did give props to Mario but just barely.

No, I didn't mishear. While i agree that they talked about Porter, ESPN had a list of the players by position. By Demeco's name was team "Pitt".

Specnatz
12-18-2007, 04:36 PM
No, I didn't mishear. While i agree that they talked about Porter, ESPN had a list of the players by position. By Demeco's name was team "Pitt".

I was only listening so I did not see it. Thanks for the clarification.

nunusguy
12-18-2007, 04:38 PM
I dunno, but I'll bet that Kornheiser and other clowns at ESPN are upset that
little Reggie didn't make the squad ?

awtysst
12-18-2007, 04:39 PM
I was only listening so I did not see it. Thanks for the clarification.

NP. I couldn't believe it when I saw it. I listened carefully to see if one of them would make a verbal correction but they didn't. They didn't even make a big deal that he is starting over Ray Ray. All they said was "Demeco Ryans: tackling machine".

TEXANS84
12-18-2007, 04:43 PM
From the Colts MB:

They put some guy I have never heard of from the Texans .

DeMeco Ryans? he is good, but he is no Gray Brackett

and i have no idea why Ray Lewis is in there [ugh]

way better than Ryans anyway...

Yankee_In_TX
12-18-2007, 04:44 PM
Demeco is the starting MLB, no Mario or any other Texans.

http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story;jsessionid=36C2AEEA2C7A23855CFD53DDD0C75ED0? id=09000d5d8053b226&template=without-video&confirm=true

Did anyone mention ESPN listed Demeco as "PIT?" I hate ESPN.

Specnatz
12-18-2007, 04:50 PM
NP. I couldn't believe it when I saw it. I listened carefully to see if one of them would make a verbal correction but they didn't. They didn't even make a big deal that he is starting over Ray Ray. All they said was "Demeco Ryans: tackling machine".

I am reading comments on espin on the comments section left by fans, and I can honestly say the fans get it more than the other 2/3 voters, ok some fans.

Biggest robbed for AFC is

Fred Taylor how in the hell is he left off over part-timer Marion Barber and Willie Parker.

Mario Williams 13 sacks leads AFC who the hell is voting Hellen Keller.

Kellen Winslow, Derek Anderson and Gerrard(sp) are getting a lot of complaints as well.

awtysst
12-18-2007, 04:50 PM
Did anyone mention ESPN listed Demeco as "PIT?" I hate ESPN.

Yup. I did a little earlier.

crunkbuc4d1
12-18-2007, 04:53 PM
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12-18-2007, 04:57 PM
I am reading comments on espin on the comments section left by fans, and I can honestly say the fans get it more than the other 2/3 voters, ok some fans.

Biggest robbed for AFC is

Fred Taylor how in the hell is he left off over part-timer Marion Barber and Willie Parker.

Mario Williams 13 sacks leads AFC who the hell is voting Hellen Keller.

Kellen Winslow, Derek Anderson and Gerrard(sp) are getting a lot of complaints as well.

Marion Barber is in the NFC.

Specnatz
12-18-2007, 05:10 PM
Marion Barber is in the NFC.

I mistyped that, was reading something else at the same time as typing.

kastofsna
12-18-2007, 05:21 PM
They put some guy I have never heard of from the Texans
what the...? what an *****.

Jason Taylor sucked this year. he doesn't deserve the Pro Bowl spot over Mario Williams. not even close.

Spled
12-18-2007, 05:35 PM
11 Cowboys and 8 Patriots. Is there any doubt who the league favorites are?

kastofsna
12-18-2007, 05:37 PM
they're also the two best teams in the leagues. kinda makes sense.

dtran04
12-18-2007, 05:38 PM
It'll be kinda a slap in the face if Mario makes the All Pro team but not the Pro Bowl. How often does that happen? Can't be too many.

Bulluck53
12-18-2007, 05:48 PM
Kris Brown is a much better kicker than Briones. Just because our TEXANS let him make us look like fools doesn't make him a pro-bowler. JMO!!

No.


Mario should have been in over Taylor and should be starting alongside Allen, with KVB on the 2nd team

Errant Hothy
12-18-2007, 05:49 PM
Anybody else find it odd that the best division in the NFL has one of the fewest number of Pro-Bowlers. Not the fewest cause the NFL South has a massize 0.


NFC East 17
NFC North 15
AFC West 12
AFC North 11
AFC East 10
NFC West 10
AFC South 9
NFC South 0

kastofsna
12-18-2007, 05:55 PM
Anybody else find it odd that the best division in the NFL has one of the fewest number of Pro-Bowlers. Not the fewest cause the NFL South has a massize 0.


NFC East 17
NFC North 15
AFC West 12
AFC North 11
AFC East 10
NFC West 10
AFC South 9
NFC South 0
wow, none at all from the NFC South? good lord. i can understand the Falcons and Panthers since they're just completely devoid of any exceptional talent, but still.

there's something to be said for a team that plays well as a team. could be the case for the AFC South.

Kaiser Toro
12-18-2007, 05:57 PM
Anybody else find it odd that the best division in the NFL has one of the fewest number of Pro-Bowlers. Not the fewest cause the NFL South has a massize 0.


NFC East 17
NFC North 15
AFC West 12
AFC North 11
AFC East 10
NFC West 10
AFC South 9
NFC South 0

Del Rio and Gruden should be shoe-ins for Coach of the Year since they have no talent on their rosters.

BTW, I would rather have a player be named to the All Pro team rather than the pro Bowl.

BSofA04
12-18-2007, 05:58 PM
Straight up BS that Mario got the alternate but hopefully he finds a way in this year. No reason not to vote the guy in, he's had a phenomenal season. I can't bring myself to call it a career year, even though it is, due to the fact that this is only year #2. Kyle VDB and Jason Taylor will be passed up next year, no doubt about that.

Errant Hothy
12-18-2007, 05:59 PM
Del Rio and Gruden should be shoe-ins for Coach of the Year since they have no talent on their rosters.

BTW, I would rather have a player be named to the All Pro team rather than the pro Bowl.

No doubt. The Pro-Bowl is kinda a joke, for proof see all the time that Larry Aleen made it.

TEXANS84
12-18-2007, 06:00 PM
How in the world did Mario Williams not make the Pro Bowl? 13.0 sacks, 1 FF, 1 FR, 1 TD. He was robbed, too.

From the Ravens board:
http://forums.extremeravens.com/index.php?showtopic=25931

Leahmic223
12-18-2007, 06:07 PM
Anybody else find it odd that the best division in the NFL has one of the fewest number of Pro-Bowlers. Not the fewest cause the NFL South has a massize 0.


NFC East 17
NFC North 15
AFC West 12
AFC North 11
AFC East 10
NFC West 10
AFC South 9
NFC South 0

The Cowboys have 11 which is a bit excessive, but since popularity is a factor I can see why some of their players were named in.

SheTexan
12-18-2007, 06:13 PM
Why didn't they just vote the entire Cowboy team in there and be done with it!! Stupid, just plain stupid that the NFL sucks up to that team so much.

dtran04
12-18-2007, 07:45 PM
Mario will have a hard time winning the popularity contest because the media and fanbase wish the Texans drafted a certain someone else.

b0ng
12-18-2007, 07:50 PM
Mario will have a hard time winning the popularity contest because the media and fanbase wish the Texans drafted a certain someone else.


Say he ends this year as the AFC sack leader (Could happen). Then comes back next year and appears to just pick up right where he left off. I think the media will give quite a bit of press to that, especially if the other two (Draft '06 other two, not AFC DE's) regress any further next year, than they have this year.

If Mario keeps this up, and consistently too, he will make pro bowl after pro bowl and will fall into Jason Taylor status of making it in even when he's over the hill and old.

BigBull17
12-18-2007, 09:46 PM
Say he ends this year as the AFC sack leader (Could happen). Then comes back next year and appears to just pick up right where he left off. I think the media will give quite a bit of press to that, especially if the other two (Draft '06 other two, not AFC DE's) regress any further next year, than they have this year.

If Mario keeps this up, and consistently too, he will make pro bowl after pro bowl and will fall into Jason Taylor status of making it in even when he's over the hill and old.

My buddy and I were talking about it, but its almost like the media is mad we were right. Last year, they were offended that we didnt think the King was worthy of the #1 pick, so took Mario. He struggles because hes young, under alot of pressure, and hurt(not an excuse, but a fact). Then, this year, he gets it and has shot through the roof,and the media is mad at us for making them look bad.

Overalls
12-18-2007, 09:57 PM
So is it possible to be an All-Pro without being a Pro Bowler?

:fans:

Texans_Chick
12-18-2007, 09:59 PM
Anybody else find it odd that the best division in the NFL has one of the fewest number of Pro-Bowlers. Not the fewest cause the NFL South has a massize 0.


NFC East 17
NFC North 15
AFC West 12
AFC North 11
AFC East 10
NFC West 10
AFC South 9
NFC South 0

Other than Houston, lots of small market teams in the AFC South.

b0ng
12-18-2007, 10:42 PM
My buddy and I were talking about it, but its almost like the media is mad we were right. Last year, they were offended that we didnt think the King was worthy of the #1 pick, so took Mario. He struggles because hes young, under alot of pressure, and hurt(not an excuse, but a fact). Then, this year, he gets it and has shot through the roof,and the media is mad at us for making them look bad.


Yeah but really the media can only really affect 1/3 of the probowl voting, because I don't think players and coaches get their outlook of other players by what ESPN is spinning.

What will be interesting to see is this years AP All-Pro team.

dalemurphy
12-19-2007, 08:04 AM
Other than Houston, lots of small market teams in the AFC South.


I learned many years ago that any award, win, or prize that is determined by voting has no merit. It's a very good rule to live by- not having to worry about the popularity of people and things.

Frankly, I'm glad Mario's not going. Perhaps it will be motivation for him going forward next season.

PapaL
12-19-2007, 08:20 AM
So much can still change between now and Feb. I fully expect a lot of guys to drop out - especially those that have deep playoff runs.

crunkbuc4d1
12-23-2007, 02:47 PM
Congrats on Mario btw

barrett
01-15-2008, 12:24 AM
I learned many years ago that any award, win, or prize that is determined by voting has no merit. It's a very good rule to live by- not having to worry about the popularity of people and things.

Frankly, I'm glad Mario's not going. Perhaps it will be motivation for him going forward next season.

I voted for Dalemurphy but he didn't get in. Proof that there's nothing to it.

mexican_texan
02-05-2008, 09:25 PM
Are any of the alternates going? I know a safety and a lineman already dropped out.

edo783
02-05-2008, 10:01 PM
Someone needs to go Tania Harding on an AFC DE and get Mario in.

Maddict5
02-06-2008, 11:44 AM
demps mustnt have been 1st alternate either because sanders dropped out and john lynch replaced him

HOU-TEX
02-06-2008, 01:15 PM
demps mustnt have been 1st alternate either because sanders dropped out and john lynch replaced him

I think Demps was playing Free Safety. I'm not sure if they voted on seperate Safety positions, but maybe that was the reason. :)

Maddict5
02-06-2008, 01:37 PM
sanders, lynch and demps were all designated FS's

HOU-TEX
02-06-2008, 01:48 PM
sanders, lynch and demps were all designated FS's

Hmm..I dunno then. I know Sanders was a SS for the Colts because Bethea was the FS. :shrug:

Yankee_In_TX
02-07-2008, 05:50 PM
Anyone hear Demeco on 610 this afternoon? Sounded like he was having the time of his life.

He also footed the bill to take the ENTIRE linebacking core with him :)

mexican_texan
02-09-2008, 08:34 AM
Are Demps and Kris Brown in Hawaii though?

gary
02-09-2008, 09:42 AM
Don't know but I wouldn't think so.

SheTexan
02-09-2008, 10:56 AM
Don't know about Demps, but, KB is in Nebraska.

gary
02-09-2008, 11:28 AM
He would like to be at the Pro Bowl. Next year is going to be his year,I can feel it.