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wicked_wayz
12-17-2007, 05:03 AM
its almost 1am here in NZ and having nothing better to do i actually logged in on a couple of the other team's message board to see what they thought of super mario

quite interesting what they:shades:

heres a link

http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=9088

http://life.atlantafalcons.com/Forums/Topic3012249-54-1.aspx

http://bbs.buccaneers.com/showthread.php?t=152492

http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?p=1788593

www.carolinahuddle.com/forum/66343-mario-williams-julius-peppers-2.html

http://mb.jaguars.com/Topic429239-7-5.aspx#bm432011

http://boards.giants.com/forums/thread/576749.aspx

painekiller
12-17-2007, 06:31 AM
On the Carolina board they called Peppers a pu$$y, and we here in Houston defended the Carr pick for how long? So long that Peppers is being called names by his own fans.

Tailgate
12-17-2007, 09:16 AM
Don't forget our good "friends" over at the Titans board. Titled.... All of the sudden Mario deserves an apology?

http://forums.titansonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32371

Hooston Texan
12-17-2007, 09:39 AM
To me the interesting part about these posts is how some highlight underlying issues for that forum's teams.

The Tampa Bay folks are dealing with their own Mario v. Bush issue this season because they drafted DE Gaines Adams instead of Adrian Peterson. Adams is having a pretty quiet rookie year.

Obviously, Atlanta fans take delight in Bush's struggles--it may be the only thing they can smile about right now. And the DE they took with our first round pick (Jamal Anderson) has yet to record a sack, so they are also hoping for a career arc like Mario's.

The Carolina thread comparing/contrasting Mario to Peppers is fascinating to me as an ACC guy. You can tell which Panther posters went to UNC and which went to NCState by their posts in that thread.

Was glad to see our team got some love from the Charger board even after their destruction of us.

It's just nice to see mentions of our team in some context other than "are they terrible or what?"

Hervoyel
12-17-2007, 09:44 AM
I notice a couple of recurring themes on most of those boards. To begin with there's always somebody who thinks that the reason Mario is finally showing up somehow involves Amobi Okoye.

I understand why they think that but we know better. We see Amobi playing hard but he's still having a "rookie" year. The real reason Mario is having the season he's having is that he's in his second year, the game is slowing down for him, and the coaches seem to finally know how to use him properly.

Next year if Amobi comes on like they expect then look out world. It's going to get ugly for opposing QB's.

I also can't help but notice that every board has some guys who are in the "1%" who knew that Mario was going to be the right choice. If you add all of the people who were supposedly right back then I think it amounts to a lot more than 1% but hey, it's just nice to have the rest of the fans thinking the Texans did something right for a change. There's no sense in splitting hairs over it.

Mike Kerns
12-17-2007, 09:44 AM
Good work! Nice little read to burn some time on a slow day in the office. Nice to see people think of us as a threat of the future instead of the next Arizona Cardinals...

HoustonFrog
12-17-2007, 09:58 AM
That is great to see!Thanks. I am a little surprised that there are still many though who, despite saying Mario was the pick, that we still could have taken VY and been doing well, etc.

Texans_Chick
12-17-2007, 10:12 AM
The Tampa Bay folks are dealing with their own Mario v. Bush issue this season because they drafted DE Gaines Adams instead of Adrian Peterson. Adams is having a pretty quiet rookie year.



When I was on the WhattheBuc radio program, that was one of the topics they wanted to talk about.

Carr Bombed
12-17-2007, 10:30 AM
I notice a couple of recurring themes on most of those boards. To begin with there's always somebody who thinks that the reason Mario is finally showing up somehow involves Amobi Okoye.

I understand why they think that but we know better. We see Amobi playing hard but he's still having a "rookie" year. The real reason Mario is having the season he's having is that he's in his second year, the game is slowing down for him, and the coaches seem to finally know how to use him properly.

Next year if Amobi comes on like they expect then look out world. It's going to get ugly for opposing QB's.

I also can't help but notice that every board has some guys who are in the "1%" who knew that Mario was going to be the right choice. If you add all of the people who were supposedly right back then I think it amounts to a lot more than 1% but hey, it's just nice to have the rest of the fans thinking the Texans did something right for a change. There's no sense in splitting hairs over it.

Actually I've watched the Broncos game like three times now (well, because I loved Mario's performance) and Amobi did help him get two sacks.

Here see for yourself.......

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9dImtYvSUKc

First Sack:
min. 1:12 Amobi applies preasure straight up the middle and flusters Cutler long enough for Mario to come in and finish him off......at min 1:18 after Mario gets the sack you can see Amobi Okoye beating his hand into the field in absolute anger, because he knows he should've had a sack (this display of emotion I absolutely LOVED, because it shows that this 20 year old kid has the motor and drive of a 8 year old vet.........Amobi is going to be SPECIAL)

Second Sack:
min. 2:20 Amobi Okoye splits two guys and comes blazing straight up the middle causing Jay Cutler to cut and run straight toward Mario Williams, where Mario finishes him off again.

People aren't giving Amobi Okoye enough credit..........this is a 20 year old kid who has 5.5 sacks (I said he'd have around 3 when the season started) for a rookie DT!........a 20 yo, rookie DT, that is a amazing season. (can any of y'all remember what y'all were doing at the age 20?)

Amobi is going to be like a young Warren Sapp..........if Mario can turn into anything close like a Bruce Smith, this Dline is going to be kicking @s* and taking names. If we can find a real speed rushing RE to throw on the other side of Mario Williams, this line is going to be unblockable.

Dread-Head
12-17-2007, 10:47 AM
The respect his A-thori-Tie!

False Start
12-17-2007, 11:01 AM
Thats great . I was looking at some non-sports forums , and there were a few topics about Mario . The kid is starting to take off like "gangfires" :heh:

Hervoyel
12-17-2007, 11:20 AM
Carr Bombed, I agree that Amobi is playing quality right now but I'm just saying that the biggest factor in Mario stepping up isn't the addition of Amobi (which they seem to be implying) but rather a bunch of other stuff like the added year, the healthy foot, and his being put in a position to make plays instead of being overloaded like he was as a rookie.

And I totally agree that next year, if Amobi grows as a player like he's expected to then Mario is going to feed off of that like crazy (and vice versa). Hell Travis Johnson might get a sack or two if that happens.

BigBull17
12-17-2007, 11:26 AM
I notice a couple of recurring themes on most of those boards. To begin with there's always somebody who thinks that the reason Mario is finally showing up somehow involves Amobi Okoye.

Well, he is getting some help from a compatent pass rusher being next to him, just like Amobi is getting help from haveing the same next to him. Its not insulting to say that having a good teammate helps you be better. I know you said that to a degree, but Im just clarifying.



I also can't help but notice that every board has some guys who are in the "1%" who knew that Mario was going to be the right choice. If you add all of the people who were supposedly right back then I think it amounts to a lot more than 1% but hey, it's just nice to have the rest of the fans thinking the Texans did something right for a change. There's no sense in splitting hairs over it.

Yeah, if you listen to all the 1% who agreed, its like a 98% landslide in favor of Mario over Reggie. Ive been there from the beginning, but Im glad to have all of you in my camp now. Welcome aboard.

nunusguy
12-17-2007, 11:36 AM
Good stuff W-W !

ChampionTexan
12-17-2007, 11:50 AM
A few thoughts (happy thoughts) on Mario:

I believe that being a rookie who was unable to practice during the last part of the year was a real obstacle to Mario - one that he has overcome.

A defense anchored by Mario and Ryans - combined with what Okoye could very well become, and what Dunta Robinson will hopefully become again will be tough for anyone to deal with. No matter

VY has to prove he can become an above average NFL QB, and then prove he can become a franchise NFL QB. Mario has to prove this year wasn't a fluke. I like Mario's chances better.

Unless Reggie eventually becomes Marshall Faulk - or at least Brian Westbrook, Mario's a better pick. Reggie doesn't look close to either of those two players in terms of game impact.

Scooter
12-17-2007, 12:47 PM
I also can't help but notice that every board has some guys who are in the "1%" who knew that Mario was going to be the right choice. If you add all of the people who were supposedly right back then I think it amounts to a lot more than 1% but hey, it's just nice to have the rest of the fans thinking the Texans did something right for a change. There's no sense in splitting hairs over it.

the "one percenters" were around early that offseason but got ran off the forums by the fanboys who threw all thought out the window and proclaimed vince could walk on water and reggie would have several 80 yard touchdown runs each game. atleast for me it was too painful to read that mess. i wanted d'brick honestly but knew we wouldnt take him with the first pick, so i was excited that we went with mario first and two OL later that day.

TheCD
12-17-2007, 12:48 PM
Yeah, if you listen to all the 1% who agreed, its like a 98% landslide in favor of Mario over Reggie. Ive been there from the beginning, but Im glad to have all of you in my camp now. Welcome aboard.

While I will admit I was upset about us signing Mario the night before the draft (I'm not a college guy and knew nothing about him), once I began to learn our reasoning for drafting him, I was aboard. I simply wanted a guy who would make an impact and a difference, and I am a (often blind) supporter of this team. I will admit I supported Carr until the day he left, but it's only because I want my team to do well.

No matter who it is, I will support them if it is a Texan, but just because I support them doesn't mean they should stay even though they're playing poorly (a la Carr).

austintexanite
12-17-2007, 01:14 PM
Good post, I was thinking about doing one exactly like this but I didn't have enough time.

Carr Bombed
12-17-2007, 01:37 PM
Carr Bombed, I agree that Amobi is playing quality right now but I'm just saying that the biggest factor in Mario stepping up isn't the addition of Amobi (which they seem to be implying) but rather a bunch of other stuff like the added year, the healthy foot, and his being put in a position to make plays instead of being overloaded like he was as a rookie.

And I totally agree that next year, if Amobi grows as a player like he's expected to then Mario is going to feed off of that like crazy (and vice versa). Hell Travis Johnson might get a sack or two if that happens.

I agree that that's not the biggest factor either.......I just think Amobi has been very helpful to Mario and vice versa..........last year we didn't have that inside pass rushing force and while people think Amobi has hit a wall, I really don't think so, atleast not to the extent that people think. While he didn't come away with a sack Thursday night you could clearly see he was a HUGE factor in the dominance in the Dline's performance.

What I'm so blown away with Amobi Okoye is his maturity and composure for such a young kid. (I mean we all heard people talk about this when he was coming out of the draft, but seeing is believing) He also has excellent pass rushing moves for such a young player.........I think the only weakness he has is he still has some maturing to do physically, I would like to see him add a little bulk during the offseason, because at times he can be overpowered and overmatched.

DenverFan
12-17-2007, 07:12 PM
As a broncos fan...

the first thing I noticed was his amazing physical abilities, if he can stay motivated and healthy I think he can easily be the best DE in the league, he has the ability of peppers

DocBar
12-17-2007, 10:13 PM
I was really fascinated by how many people are making excuses for VY and RB because of injuries, but not ONE mention of Mario's injury last year that he PLAYED through. On another note, the vast majority of Marios sacks have been the result of someone else on the D setting the QB up for him. That isn't a bad thing cuz Mario STILL had to be there to get the sack, he just hasn't developed enough moves to rush the passer like Bruce Smith or Reggie White. Reggie White at 20 couldn't rush like Reggie White.

Ole Miss Texan
12-17-2007, 10:34 PM
Funny how Mario doesn't deserve a sack when Okoye collapses the pocket forcing the QB outside to Mario...

But Bush deserves a TD when Deuce takes the ball down the field and they put in bush when its 1st and goal!???

Carr Bombed
12-17-2007, 11:49 PM
Funny how Mario doesn't deserve a sack when Okoye collapses the pocket forcing the QB outside to Mario...

But Bush deserves a TD when Deuce takes the ball down the field and they put in bush when its 1st and goal!???

I never said Mario didn't deserve the sack. Good Dlines have more than one good defensive lineman on them.........even Sgt. Peppers benefited early on in his career from the personnel he had next to him. The fact that Amobi is helping Mario and vice versa is not a bad thing it's a good thing..........it's the whole reason we drafted the kid.

kastofsna
12-18-2007, 05:49 PM
started a thread on a Dolphins board about Williams vs. Bush/Young after Thursday night's game. this was in the "VIP" section, meaning you have to pay to join that part of the board, and generally the folks there are extremely intelligent and know what's going on around the league, and hugely in-depth with the Dolphins. the concensus is clear: Williams is great and looks to be one of the best DE's in the league in a short period.

DocBar
12-18-2007, 07:10 PM
Funny how Mario doesn't deserve a sack when Okoye collapses the pocket forcing the QB outside to Mario...

But Bush deserves a TD when Deuce takes the ball down the field and they put in bush when its 1st and goal!???

If that was aimed at my post, I wasn't trying to suggest that Mario didn't deserve the sacks, I was trying to point out that MW isn't as polished a rusher as he will be in the future(kind of obvious, I know). He isn't at the level yet where he consistently gets solid pressure and sacks on his own. I think his progress has been amazing and I'm positive we'll have a top 10 D with a good shot at top 5 next year. I keep wondering "what if's" with a healthy AJ, Schaub and DROB for the entire season. Sage, ALL the WR's and Bennet HAVE done great, though.

spent
12-19-2007, 05:54 PM
we think he's awesome!~!! :pirate:

El cabezon
12-19-2007, 06:18 PM
A few thoughts (happy thoughts) on Mario:

I believe that being a rookie who was unable to practice during the last part of the year was a real obstacle to Mario - one that he has overcome.

A defense anchored by Mario and Ryans - combined with what Okoye could very well become, and what Dunta Robinson will hopefully become again will be tough for anyone to deal with. No matter

VY has to prove he can become an above average NFL QB, and then prove he can become a franchise NFL QB. Mario has to prove this year wasn't a fluke. I like Mario's chances better.

Unless Reggie eventually becomes Marshall Faulk - or at least Brian Westbrook, Mario's a better pick. Reggie doesn't look close to either of those two players in terms of game impact.

Even if Reggie eventually becomes Marshall Faulk I'd rather have a great defensive end than a great RB.

RazorOye
12-19-2007, 08:41 PM
Didn't see any references to the Saints board - personally, I think he is playing well and more consistently (still room for improvement, though). And he has a surrounding cast and a scheme that uses him well.

Glad to see that he is playing better.

I just hope he stays consistent and doesn't start to disappoint. I remember seeing Renaldo Turnbull turn in a fabulous season and started to buy into his own hype and his performance spiraled downward quickly.

Sounds like he's got enough people riding his case, though, so that he won't become complacent. If he keeps improving, he could be a monster.

austintexanite
12-19-2007, 10:49 PM
Didn't see any references to the Saints board - personally, I think he is playing well and more consistently (still room for improvement, though). And he has a surrounding cast and a scheme that uses him well.

Glad to see that he is playing better.

I just hope he stays consistent and doesn't start to disappoint. I remember seeing Renaldo Turnbull turn in a fabulous season and started to buy into his own hype and his performance spiraled downward quickly.

Sounds like he's got enough people riding his case, though, so that he won't become complacent. If he keeps improving, he could be a monster.

I agree with your last point: I don't think Mario can afford to believe his own hype because of two players that the media loves. He was improved the more than Bush/Young, and the media is slowly starting to come around and eat crow. :texflag:

DexmanC
12-20-2007, 05:51 AM
I was really fascinated by how many people are making excuses for VY and RB because of injuries, but not ONE mention of Mario's injury last year that he PLAYED through. On another note, the vast majority of Marios sacks have been the result of someone else on the D setting the QB up for him. That isn't a bad thing cuz Mario STILL had to be there to get the sack, he just hasn't developed enough moves to rush the passer like Bruce Smith or Reggie White. Reggie White at 20 couldn't rush like Reggie White.

I seem to remember Reggie White had MAMMOTH-sized Gilbert Brown collapsing the pocket for him, as well, in Green Bay. Last year, the QB would simply step up into the pocket to avoid Mario. Amobi removes that option. Can't knock Mario's talent, because he has a great teammate lined up next to him.