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TexansLucky13
12-16-2007, 04:50 PM
The guy refuses to stop horse-collaring people. Anyone watching the Eagles Cowboys game knows exactly what I am talking about. I have seem him do it at least twice this year before today.

You would think that he would stop doing it when they created the penalty JUST for him. He is out of control and should be suspended for the rest of the year.

Thoughts?

StarStruck
12-16-2007, 04:54 PM
Thoughts?

I'm sure it was an accident. If not, then he knows we don't need any more the the 15 yard variety. Remember the contract!

The1ApplePie
12-16-2007, 05:20 PM
His horse collars are friggin hilarious to watch. I love his reaction everytime he get's flagged. He acts suprised and like he was just accused of murder.

StarStruck
12-16-2007, 05:29 PM
His horse collars are friggin hilarious to watch. I love his reaction everytime he get's flagged. He acts suprised and like he was just accused of murder.


You think he's practicing for his career after football?

thunderkyss
12-16-2007, 05:41 PM
I don't know what a player is supposed to do when they're coming from behind to tackle a player.

Should they just let him go??

It looked (to me) that he tried to grab the shirt, and pull him down. Which is a new rule for this year.

IT's the most natural way to stop someone when you're coming from behind.

I understand the Danger. I understand it's got to stop, I understand he's a Cowboy, but I don't know what he's supposed to do.

NitroGSXR
12-16-2007, 06:14 PM
I don't know what a player is supposed to do when they're coming from behind to tackle a player.

Should they just let him go??

It looked (to me) that he tried to grab the shirt, and pull him down. Which is a new rule for this year.

IT's the most natural way to stop someone when you're coming from behind.

I understand the Danger. I understand it's got to stop, I understand he's a Cowboy, but I don't know what he's supposed to do.
Seems it'd be easiest to trip the receiver's feet up. Tackling by pulling on a jersey is a real good way to hurt your hands. I know it hurt mine when I did it in high school. I sought out other alternatives and found that punching my facemask in their numbers was the best way to make a tackle. I also played middle linebacker so I wasn't really chasing down players down an open field. I also don't watch every NFL game so take what I said with a grain of salt because I can't back up what I'm saying with absolute certainity. I can only state what I see and it appears that Roy Williams does this more than most football players in the league. It's against the rules and if he keeps breaking them, more action against him may be warranted. The flags aren't stopping him from doing it.

I'd just try and trip them up or not let them blow past me. That's just me though.

Maddict5
12-16-2007, 06:20 PM
It looked (to me) that he tried to grab the shirt, and pull him down. Which is a new rule for this year.


the shirt? no.. he clearly grabbed mcnabb's collar

Vinny
12-16-2007, 06:26 PM
The guy refuses to stop horse-collaring people. Anyone watching the Eagles Cowboys game knows exactly what I am talking about. I have seem him do it at least twice this year before today.

You would think that he would stop doing it when they created the penalty JUST for him. He is out of control and should be suspended for the rest of the year.

Thoughts?I mentioned this earlier in the year too. The rule came about when he was hurting players and possibly ruining careers, and I still see him use the horsecollar all the time. I think the league should take harsher action with him myself.

Errant Hothy
12-16-2007, 06:46 PM
I mentioned this earlier in the year too. The rule came about when he was hurting players and possibly ruining careers, and I still see him use the horsecollar all the time. I think the league should take harsher action with him myself.

I agree.

In other news the Eagles are now up 10-6 on the Cowboys.

mexican_texan
12-16-2007, 07:00 PM
He's most likely getting fined. McNabb was inches from a career ending injury.

TexansLucky13
12-16-2007, 07:37 PM
He's most likely getting fined. McNabb was inches from a career ending injury.

I guarantee you that he will be fined.... but is that enough? The guy is making millions of dollars. A 15,000 dollar fine is nothing for him.

Maybe a few weeks on the bench will do well for him.

Dread-Head
12-16-2007, 09:41 PM
I'm sure it was an accident. If not, then he knows we don't need any more the the 15 yard variety. Remember the contract!

lol: Are you....SERIOUS!lol: :rofl: Dude. How do you reach into a guy's jersey and sling him to the deck by his shoulder pads...BY ACCIDENT!? lol: You do it a few times and injure a few guys and the league INVENTS a PENALTY (which many call YOUR penalty) to stop you from doing it and you persist!The horse collar on McNabb didn't look like an accident.

StarStruck
12-16-2007, 11:04 PM
lol: Are you....SERIOUS!lol: :rofl: Dude. How do you reach into a guy's jersey and sling him to the deck by his shoulder pads...BY ACCIDENT!? lol: You do it a few times and injure a few guys and the league INVENTS a PENALTY (which many call YOUR penalty) to stop you from doing it and you persist!The horse collar on McNabb didn't look like an accident.


I try to be fair even if it's my favorite team. I will rewind the DVR tomorrow to examine further, then give my unbiased opinion.

Dread-Head
12-17-2007, 12:04 PM
I try to be fair even if it's my favorite team. I will rewind the DVR tomorrow to examine further, then give my unbiased opinion.

That my friend is why I respect you. You're alright...for a Cowboy fan. :splits:

Double Barrel
12-17-2007, 12:54 PM
The guy refuses to stop horse-collaring people. Anyone watching the Eagles Cowboys game knows exactly what I am talking about. I have seem him do it at least twice this year before today.

You would think that he would stop doing it when they created the penalty JUST for him. He is out of control and should be suspended for the rest of the year.

Thoughts?

I agree. The dude is flagrant in his breaking the rule, and should be penalized gametime when he refuses to even acknowledge the fact that the NFL has created a rule specifically because of his history.

I'm not speaking from being a Cowboy-hater....that's just a bonus! :cowboy1:

Hardcore Texan
12-17-2007, 12:59 PM
I agree. The dude is flagrant in his breaking the rule, and should be penalized gametime when he refuses to even acknowledge the fact that the NFL has created a rule specifically because of his history.

I'm not speaking from being a Cowboy-hater....that's just a bonus! :cowboy1:

I agree whole-heartedly.

And as long as we are on the subject......everytime I see Laron Landry play he makes dirty hits/un-neccessary roughness, etc. He really needs to be fined or suspended. Very blatanly hits people late, out of bounds.....and I don't go out of my way to watch the Redskins play.

mexican_texan
12-17-2007, 07:55 PM
Suspended for one game with no pay

GlassHalfFull
12-17-2007, 09:32 PM
Suspended for one game with no pay

Really surprised, but pleased. I didn't think they would suspend him, I thought he deserved it - I just didn't believe they would do it.

Hardcore Texan
12-17-2007, 09:35 PM
Suspended for one game with no pay

One down and Laron Landry to go. :pirate:

tulexan
12-17-2007, 09:35 PM
How much longer till he does it again? I'm setting the over/under at 2.5 games.

GlassHalfFull
12-17-2007, 09:38 PM
Originally Posted by tulexan
How much longer till he does it again? I'm setting the over/under at 2.5 games.

He won't be doing it the next game. :shades:

StarStruck
12-17-2007, 09:51 PM
That my friend is why I respect you. You're alright...for a Cowboy fan. :splits:

I haven't forgotten my promise. I am trying the watch MNF before revisiting the recording, but it seems there hasn't been a good game on since Thursday.

tulexan
12-17-2007, 10:14 PM
He won't be doing it the next game. :shades:

He'll probably horse collar the pizza guy

Dread-Head
12-17-2007, 10:30 PM
He'll probably horse collar the pizza guy

lol: (ding dong) DomiNOOOOOOOES!!!!(SLAM!)

ATX
12-18-2007, 12:27 AM
I wonder if Roy signed the no penalty contract?

TexansLucky13
12-18-2007, 02:13 AM
Excellent. He deserves this suspension.

Dread-Head
12-18-2007, 05:44 PM
According to Associated Press earlier today the NFL announced that Dallas Cowboy Roy Williams would be fined $ 35,000 and suspended from playing for week 15. This is the 3rd time Williams has been fined this season the controversial horse-collar tackle which many have come to associate with him. For his first offense earlier this season Williams was fined $15,000. For the second incident which happened two weeks later he was fined $10,000. This isn't to say that Williams has only done this three times this season, but rather that officials have elected to call him on it three times. In Williams' defense Dallas head Coach Wade Phillips said that Williams had "strong hands" and was simply playing to his strength. Your thoughts?

Brando
12-18-2007, 06:28 PM
lol: Are you....SERIOUS!lol: :rofl: Dude. How do you reach into a guy's jersey and sling him to the deck by his shoulder pads...BY ACCIDENT!? lol: You do it a few times and injure a few guys and the league INVENTS a PENALTY (which many call YOUR penalty) to stop you from doing it and you persist!The horse collar on McNabb didn't look like an accident.


I agree , NO WAY was that an accident. I am glad to see he was suspended.

infantrycak
12-18-2007, 06:49 PM
I honestly don't understand why one of the hardest hitters in the game has to play with NO RESPECT for the warriors that he's competing against!!! I guess that it's gonna take the guy crippling someone before he gets it. But I hope not!

They instituted the Roy Williams rule because he was injuring people. Truth is I have repeatedly seen this not get called around the league this year and it is one of the easier calls to make. The officials need to get serious and the NFL will have to hit repeat offenders with more than 1 game suspensions--it is just too tempting it seems. Funny though that you can now bring someone down by their hair but not the back of their jersey.

Errant Hothy
12-18-2007, 06:52 PM
Roy Williams is over-rated...that is all.

tulexan
12-18-2007, 07:16 PM
Maybe he wouldn't have to horse collar players if he didn't get beat so much

benefactor
12-18-2007, 07:28 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3160189

Now Dallas is appealing it. What a bunch of crybabies.


"I don't think it was fair," Cowboys linebacker Akin Ayodele said. "It's a dumb rule."


What a dumbass....its still a rule and if you break it over and over you get suspended. And its not at all a dumb rule. Its keeps players from getting hurt.

axman40
12-18-2007, 10:31 PM
Roy Williams plays like a punk !
:cowboy1:

StarStruck
12-19-2007, 12:13 AM
lol: Are you....SERIOUS!lol: :rofl: Dude. How do you reach into a guy's jersey and sling him to the deck by his shoulder pads...BY ACCIDENT!? lol: You do it a few times and injure a few guys and the league INVENTS a PENALTY (which many call YOUR penalty) to stop you from doing it and you persist!The horse collar on McNabb didn't look like an accident.

Ok, I just reviewed the replay, paused, replayed, paused again, and listened to the commentators. It APPEARS that Williams grabbed the neck of McNabb's jersey, not by the shoulder pads. Nevertheless, by rule that is still considered as a horse collar penalty, and on that note it is what it is. Now I need to watch some comedy as to get my mind beyond one of the worst misuse of talent in modern day history.

Errant Hothy
12-19-2007, 09:53 AM
In Williams' defense Dallas head Coach Wade Phillips said that Williams had "strong hands" and was simply playing to his strength. Your thoughts?


The knowledge that Wade knows that Roy has "strong hands" concerns me.

Dread-Head
12-19-2007, 09:59 AM
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m44/whumber/horsecollar.jpg http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m44/whumber/horsecollar6.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m44/whumber/horsecollar5.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m44/whumber/horsecollar4.jpg http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m44/whumber/horsecollar2.jpg
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m44/whumber/horsecollar3.jpg

I honestly don't understand why one of the hardest hitters in the game has to play with NO RESPECT for the warriors that he's competing against!!! I guess that it's gonna take the guy crippling someone before he gets it. But I hope not!


I don't know why...but for some reason the lyrics to a Denis Leary song: "[He] likes football and porno books about war."

Specnatz
12-19-2007, 11:53 AM
Ok, I just reviewed the replay, paused, replayed, paused again, and listened to the commentators. It APPEARS that Williams grabbed the neck of McNabb's jersey, not by the shoulder pads. Nevertheless, by rule that is still considered as a horse collar penalty, and on that note it is what it is. Now I need to watch some comedy as to get my mind beyond one of the worst misuse of talent in modern day history.

Not sure which talent you are talking about but I can not believe you are talking about roy "damn i got burnt again" williams. He uses the horse collar because that is the only way he can tackle, he sucks worse than any safety we have ever had on the Texans.

Ok well almost any.

StarStruck
12-19-2007, 12:07 PM
Not sure which talent you are talking about but I can not believe you are talking about roy "damn i got burnt again" williams. He uses the horse collar because that is the only way he can tackle, he sucks worse than any safety we have ever had on the Texans.

Ok well almost any.

Roy is but one member of the team. Believe it or not, there is a large number of Cowboys fans that complain of his efficiency as a safety. Contract time could be interesting. As you can see, he didn't make the pro-bowl list.

Errant Hothy
12-19-2007, 12:09 PM
Roy is but one member of the team. Believe it or not, there is a large number of Cowboys fans that complain of his efficiency as a safety. Contract time could be interesting. As you can see, he didn't make the pro-bowl list.

More Cowboy fans complain about Roy then defend him. Since Woodson retired Roy has rpetty much sucked, and a lot of Cowboys fans know this. The only reason I know this is because I live in the DFW.

Dread-Head
12-19-2007, 12:34 PM
He's trying to appeal his suspension.

axman40
12-19-2007, 06:00 PM
He's trying to appeal his suspension.
Appeal DENIED!
:cowboy1:

WWJD
12-21-2007, 09:44 AM
He deserved it and Wade said on the radio that Roy had gotten a letter after the last incident and he was sure it would do no good for him to appeal but he was letting Roy deal with it.

And he lost so he's out and that's fair.

edo783
12-21-2007, 04:53 PM
Sooo, he has done it several times, been warned, fined and now suspended. What happens when he does it the next time? At some point the Commish will have to smack him pretty hard like an 8 game suspension or something otherwise it's like Williams is just giving him the bird.

StarStruck
12-21-2007, 05:16 PM
Sooo, he has done it several times, been warned, fined and now suspended. What happens when he does it the next time? At some point the Commish will have to smack him pretty hard like an 8 game suspension or something otherwise it's like Williams is just giving him the bird.

Not really. However, an 8 game suspension would be a Christmas gift to many Cowboys fans. Remember, he isn't one of the chosen 11, but as a person, I like the guy which goes beyond his abilities as a football player.