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utahmark
12-14-2007, 12:42 AM
gary if you would please call my cell before throwing the challenge flag i would be happy to tell you what to do.

dont we have someone in the booth that watches the broadcast. it was obvious on the goal camera that he was in. i think we are now 1 for 9 on challenges.

sry to break up all the good posts. glad that is all there is to complain about.

imatexan
12-14-2007, 12:53 AM
Everyone in the stadium was going crazy to throw it. It was close enough he had too.

Andrew6
12-14-2007, 12:55 AM
yeah it was kind of one of those things where hey throw it, they might over turn it ;)

NitroGSXR
12-14-2007, 12:58 AM
I'm glad that he at least challenges plays. I've seen too many plays go unchallenged by coaches. Kubiak's challenges have been questionable at times but I'm glad he's at least challenging them often, utilizing a coaching tool. He's listening to his players even though they may be wrong. He's trying to claw his way to a win with technalities (which is what instant replay really is, a technical decision).

Keep challenging plays, Kubes. They're bound to turn in our favor. What better time than playoff aspirations crunch time!

awtysst
12-14-2007, 01:35 AM
I saw the play on my tv and I immediately conceded it as a TD. I saw the replays and thought the same thing. If a person like me watching the broadcast on my TV can spot it, surely our guy in the booth can tell Kubes it isnt worth a challenge.

Hagar
12-14-2007, 03:14 AM
Even though he didn't the ruling stood, it was the right move to challenge the call. It was a very close play, and the only thing he lost was a time out.

I was very impressed that we drove the length of the field and answered thier score.

Andrew6
12-14-2007, 03:33 AM
I just figured they were trying to take some of the wind out of Denvers sail. Don't want them to have a bunch of momentum on the kick off, just give them a few minutes to relax :D

texdawg
12-14-2007, 08:22 AM
I'll bet Kubiak knew he was going to lose the challenge. I look at most of these challenges as extended timeouts. He lost the challenge but was able to refocuss the team. Good call. IMO

GlassHalfFull
12-14-2007, 08:30 AM
I think it was a good challenge. Given the point in the game and what was going on, it was worth the timeout loss. And I agree with the earlier poster that it broke up the Broncos momentum. Besides, the fans in the stands would have been really disappointed if he hadn't. They showed the replay on the big screen over and over, and even though we lost the challenge, it kept the fans in the game.

thunderkyss
12-14-2007, 08:41 AM
I was at the stadium.

After that play, the only replay we saw on the screen was pretty obvious that it was a fumble & the ball never crossed the goal line.

We went beserk.

Chances are Kubiak does have a guy in the booth watching the replays, and if he saw what you guys saw... and what they finally showed us(after he threw the flag), most likely he was telling Gary there is no way he should throw the flag.

But the crowd had been such a big part of that game up to that point. & We might have rioted if he hadn't thrown it. The right thing to do was to throw the flag, and keep the fans on your side.

The only booing last night, was against the refs, when they called legit fouls against our team.

Or that no foul crap on the interception.

gwallaia
12-14-2007, 09:05 AM
On the play, I think it was Will "I can't catch a ball" Demps who picked up the "loose" ball and started the other way. It looked like he would have gone all the way for 6 IF the whistle had not blown.

What IF the Denver receiver actually had fumbled just a few inches short of the goal line? What if the referee made the wrong call and blew the whistle thinking the receiver did make a TD causing Demps to stop his sprint to the endzone? Where would they have marked the ball for the Texans on the change of possession?

sakebomb
12-14-2007, 09:12 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but the idiots upstairs didn't show the "goal line" angle on the jumbotron until after he threw out the challenge flag. It clearly was a touchdown. That is the fault of the boys upstairs. I think they knew it was a TD but you never know what the ref's will see.

Dread-Head
12-14-2007, 10:02 AM
I would have challenged it too. There's an issue of control. The receiver was attempting to extend the ball with one hand and lost control of it while he was in the air and getting hit. If he HAD control of the ball it wouldn't have come lose.

HOU-TEX
12-14-2007, 10:57 AM
I was at the stadium.

After that play, the only replay we saw on the screen was pretty obvious that it was a fumble & the ball never crossed the goal line.

We went beserk.

Chances are Kubiak does have a guy in the booth watching the replays, and if he saw what you guys saw... and what they finally showed us(after he threw the flag), most likely he was telling Gary there is no way he should throw the flag.

But the crowd had been such a big part of that game up to that point. & We might have rioted if he hadn't thrown it. The right thing to do was to throw the flag, and keep the fans on your side.

The only booing last night, was against the refs, when they called legit fouls against our team.

Or that no foul crap on the interception.

I agree. I was there as well and the replay that showed an obvious TD wasn't shown until after Kubiak threw the flag. I'd assume they see the same as we do upstairs.

Eh, didn't matter anyways. We came back and hung 14 on them after that TD. :texflag:

BTW, my voice is history. I've got to permanently move down from the roof to the 100's. Totally different ball game.:cool:

HoustonFrog
12-14-2007, 10:59 AM
Everyone in the stadium was going crazy to throw it. It was close enough he had too.

Completely disagree. Once the ball even gets close to the white line it is a TD. It obviously was on the first replay. Bad challenge. I'm sure it is different but the guys upstairs should have had the tech to see what we saw at home within a second.

powerfuldragon
12-14-2007, 11:01 AM
Or that no foul crap on the interception.

Yes. that was the only call i really got pissed about... contact was made with AJ before the ball was tipped.

thunderkyss
12-14-2007, 11:04 AM
Completely disagree. Once the ball even gets close to the white line it is a TD. It obviously was on the first replay. Bad challenge. I'm sure it is different but the guys upstairs should have had the tech to see what we saw at home within a second.

You had to be there.

HJam72
12-14-2007, 11:05 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but the idiots upstairs didn't show the "goal line" angle on the jumbotron until after he threw out the challenge flag. It clearly was a touchdown. That is the fault of the boys upstairs. I think they knew it was a TD but you never know what the ref's will see.

Commentators said that on that internet feed radio. Replay didn't show on the jumbotron early enough. He had to risk it, as opposed to finding out later that he should have.

utahmark
12-14-2007, 03:03 PM
Commentators said that on that internet feed radio. Replay didn't show on the jumbotron early enough. He had to risk it, as opposed to finding out later that he should have.

well that is pretty much what the whole post is about. the replay on tv showed it was clearly a td well before kubiak threw the flag. now if he doesnt have someone somewhere watching the official broadcast and telling him if he needs to challenge a play or not(and by some of his challenges im not sure he does) i voulenteer to be that guy.

Double Barrel
12-14-2007, 03:07 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but the idiots upstairs didn't show the "goal line" angle on the jumbotron until after he threw out the challenge flag. It clearly was a touchdown. That is the fault of the boys upstairs. I think they knew it was a TD but you never know what the ref's will see.

I noticed that, as well. That shot would have saved Kubiak's red flag, because it was clearly a TD.

All is well that ends well, though! :texflag:

JamesC
12-14-2007, 04:15 PM
You had to be there.

I was there last night too. It was definitely too close to tell at first. Kubiak had to throw the challenge flag. The whole stadium wanted him to do it.

Hervoyel
12-14-2007, 06:06 PM
The only downside to last night was watching Gary Kubiak throw another pointless red flag on to the field and cost us one more time out. What is that now, eight or nine of them?

Seriously, I'd kind of dropped it since it was a great win but somebody needs to just take that red flag away from Gary. He needs to just pretend that it's 1978 and there's no such thing as a coaches challenge.

The Pencil Neck
12-14-2007, 07:33 PM
The only downside to last night was watching Gary Kubiak throw another pointless red flag on to the field and cost us one more time out. What is that now, eight or nine of them?

Seriously, I'd kind of dropped it since it was a great win but somebody needs to just take that red flag away from Gary. He needs to just pretend that it's 1978 and there's no such thing as a coaches challenge.

From where I was sitting, it was an obvious TD and a waste of a timeout.

BUT.

According to what some people are saying, it sounds like it looked like there might be a question based on the view of the Jumbotron. If that's the case, then we need to get better Jumbotron operators.

Maddict5
12-14-2007, 08:00 PM
obviously they didnt show the GL cam that we saw on tv.. you could see the way he was studying it they were watching an indecisive angle

its not garys fault anyway- theres guys upstairs that 'advise' him.. if losing challenges is the worst thing gary does, il take that

utahmark
12-15-2007, 11:31 AM
the point of the whole post is that although they didnt show it at the game in time, it was shown on tv in plenty of time. someone should be watching the game an advising kubes. if there is not someone they should get someone and if they have someone they need to look at replacing him.

DerekLee1
12-15-2007, 01:04 PM
I think he knew it was a TD, as did the guy upstairs. It could very well have been a strategic move, to further motivate the crowd and get them even more involved than they already were. We all knew it would stand, but my gosh did that crowd go apeshit when he through that red flag out there.

Now as far as the RULE ITSELF is concerned, I think it needs to be reconsidered by the rules committee in the offseason. It's a horrible rule. I think the play should have to be completed (player has to be down or forward progress stopped), or at least the famous "football move" should have to be completed, before a TD should count.

Runner
12-15-2007, 01:08 PM
I think he knew it was a TD, as did the guy upstairs. It could very well have been a strategic move, to further motivate the crowd and get them even more involved than they already were.

Now there is some positive spin! Well done.

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I think on challenges Kubiak should emulate George Costanza on "opposite day". It might work out better.