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Errant Hothy
12-07-2007, 01:17 PM
Finally.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5360662.html

Texans running back Ahman Green will not play again this season after the team put him on injured reserve today.

Coach Gary Kubiak made the announcement this morning.

Green finishes the season with two touchdowns and 260 yards on 70 carries. He started four of the six games in which he played.

On the quarterback front, Shane Boyd was promoted from the practice squad to back up Sage Rosenfels on Sunday against Tampa Bay.

I really think that Green's injury is a repeated of DD/Ws, and that this is it for his career.

HJam72
12-07-2007, 01:26 PM
I just hope we don't keep him another year and see this happen again.

I don't think I'd take another chance on him.

beerlover
12-07-2007, 01:27 PM
Finally.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5360662.html



I really think that Green's injury is a repeated of DD/Ws, and that this is it for his career.

well, at least he got paid :money:

Ole Miss Texan
12-07-2007, 01:28 PM
I was expecting a season out of him. I know we signed him to a 4 year contract- thought we get 1 good season, 1 mediocre and then release him.

boy was i wrong.

HOU-TEX
12-07-2007, 01:29 PM
I just hope we don't keep him another year and see this happen again.

I don't think I'd take another chance on him.

And if we do....we'd better get somebody other than Ron 'are you going to eat that' Dayne via draft or FA. :gun:

Mr teX
12-07-2007, 01:31 PM
I was expecting a season out of him. I know we signed him to a 4 year contract- thought we get 1 good season, 1 mediocre and then release him.

boy was i wrong.

This is exactly what i said.......

... it's exactly how i feel now too..... :brickwall:

Texan_Bill
12-07-2007, 01:31 PM
I really didn't see that coming.....

TEXANS84
12-07-2007, 01:39 PM
Well at least finally. Time to see what Walker will do.

Ole Miss Texan
12-07-2007, 01:44 PM
Truthfully, I expected the Texans organization to say:

"we're just resting him the rest of this season, he will be back 100% for next season. We'll have him on a conditioning program although he doesn't really need it because he's in the best shape of his life. It's just a knee bruise and he will run it off in a couple weeks...we expect to extend his contract in year 4 and give him an $8million bonus."

4Texans
12-07-2007, 01:48 PM
Ok, no more signing 30+ year old RB's as FA's please........

Thorn
12-07-2007, 01:52 PM
Good. Let him go, let's just start over at that position in the off season. Even if we don't do anything at all, at least knowing where you stand with Dayne is better than wondering if Green can play and getting your hopes up.

However, we REALLY need to address the RB position along with the offensive line in the off season.

HoustonFrog
12-07-2007, 01:52 PM
You can't have a running game if every week you are having to juggle which hurt or mediocre person is inactive. What a waste of a season.

Malloy
12-07-2007, 01:52 PM
We had a problem at RB before this season. The FO tried to make a short-term fix, it turned out to be a bit more short-term than we hoped for. Stuff like this happens, but at least they're TRYING to fix the problem :)

Insideop
12-07-2007, 01:55 PM
Truthfully, I expected the Texans organization to say:

"we're just resting him the rest of this season, he will be back 100% for next season. We'll have him on a conditioning program although he doesn't really need it because he's in the best shape of his life. It's just a knee bruise and he will run it off in a couple weeks...we expect to extend his contract in year 4 and give him an $8million bonus."

Don't even be thinking things like that OMT! :bat:

Hardcore Texan
12-07-2007, 02:02 PM
Of course it is not that big of a shock, but when you couple it with:

"Green is the 17th player to the placed on the Texans injured reserve this season. They lead the league in players on IR."

It's a real kick the shorts. :brickwall:

Honoring Earl 34
12-07-2007, 02:05 PM
I wonder if Green was a rookie , would he play ?

They said he looked good in practice but now it's no ... to the IR you go .

The Texans are the place to go I guess to get that last paycheck .

Frog I am going along with your avatar theme .

YellerLotYeller
12-07-2007, 02:09 PM
17 on IR!!:gun:

HoustonFrog
12-07-2007, 02:43 PM
I wonder if Green was a rookie , would he play ?

They said he looked good in practice but now it's no ... to the IR you go .

The Texans are the place to go I guess to get that last paycheck .

Frog I am going along with your avatar theme .

Awesome!I might have to keep Yukon for a bit. Pretty tough guy who takes out and tames Bumbles.

I'm with you on the IR thing. I think this is starting the off-season despite probably being able to play or get through it.

austintexanite
12-07-2007, 02:49 PM
I can't say I was shocked by this, I hope he rehabs well. Anyone know the cap hit if/when we cut him?

jerek
12-07-2007, 02:52 PM
In other news, I hear the Texans will sign Priest Holmes out of retirement next year ... 3 years/$13M.

:gun:

Texan_Bill
12-07-2007, 02:55 PM
In other news, I hear the Texans will sign Priest Holmes out of retirement next year ... 3 years/$13M.

:gun:

I am feeling ill........... http://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/thumbnail2/2202_puking.gif

ATX
12-07-2007, 02:59 PM
Michael Turner......we have an open spot for you. I just have this feeling he will be a Texan next year.

Lucky
12-07-2007, 03:36 PM
I can't say I was shocked by this, I hope he rehabs well. Anyone know the cap hit if/when we cut him?
It depends on whether the cap hit from the remaining bonus allocation would be spread over 2 years, or just take the complete hit in '08. If the Texans absorbed the entire cap hit, they would still save about $1.2 million against the cap, since Green in due a $3.8 million salary next season.

threetoedpete
12-07-2007, 04:19 PM
It depends on whether the cap hit from the remaining bonus allocation would be spread over 2 years, or just take the complete hit in '08. If the Texans absorbed the entire cap hit, they would still save about $1.2 million against the cap, since Green in due a $3.8 million salary next season.

I don't know about that . What I do remeber a whole buch of folks garaunting the board that the contract costs for ahmen were negligable. Therefore there was no concern . Yeah, now tell me another one. They need the roster spot(s) for the C/G disaster. For what we are about to recieve may we all be truly greatful.

edo783
12-07-2007, 08:02 PM
17 on IR!!:gun:

IIRC, for 3 of the 6 years that club has been around we have led the league in people on IR. Hard to build a team with a MASH unit.

BigWig
12-08-2007, 08:31 AM
And once again the Austin papers call this the bust of the year! And thats without Charlie Casserly!

Texans_Chick
12-08-2007, 08:35 AM
And once again the Austin papers call this the bust of the year! And thats without Charlie Casserly!

Marvin Harrison has been out most of this year with the same thing as Green. I guess the Colts keeping him this year was a mistake too.

SA Texan
12-08-2007, 09:56 AM
Well, we should have expected it. A great season in 2003 and he hasn't played a full one since. Good riddance.

Specnatz
12-08-2007, 11:16 AM
I don't know about that . What I do remeber a whole buch of folks garaunting the board that the contract costs for ahmen were negligable. Therefore there was no concern . Yeah, now tell me another one. They need the roster spot(s) for the C/G disaster. For what we are about to recieve may we all be truly greatful.

So they should have predicted that there would be this many injuries?

The contract from what I recall is very low if it is two years not just one, because of structuring. I will look for the contract details.

Revolution
12-08-2007, 12:09 PM
They can't cut him while he is injured, correct? Don't they have to make an injury settlement?

On a side note...Reggie Bush is out for the year also. I am very glad we did not take him in the draft...

DBCooper
12-08-2007, 12:11 PM
"Green is the 17th player to the placed on the Texans injured reserve this season. They lead the league in players on IR."


Looks like our backups are getting a lot of playing time as some on this board wanted.

threetoedpete
12-08-2007, 12:16 PM
well, at least he got paid :money:

We do that alot. I like Amen. Won money with him. I undertand the cap situation they were in...cap freindly or not...it was a bad sign. And I posted as much at the time.

threetoedpete
12-08-2007, 12:19 PM
They can't cut him while he is injured, correct? Don't they have to make an injury settlement?

On a side note...Reggie Bush is out for the year also. I am very glad we did not take him in the draft...

They're not going to cut him or settle him out unless he can't recover by OTAs. That would be an admition that they made an enormous bo-bo.

Lucky
12-08-2007, 12:24 PM
The contract from what I recall is very low if it is two years not just one, because of structuring. I will look for the contract details.
Green signed a 4 year, $23 million deal. $6.5 million guaranteed.

Hottoddie
12-08-2007, 01:25 PM
This is not good news, but it's par for the course with this season. I believe he was only meant to be a stop gap fix & based on some comments from Kubiak earlier in the year, I believe that Chris Taylor was going to be given the opportunity to take over the starting position at some point during the season. But, who could've foreseen him getting a season ending injury before the season even started?

Unless McFadden falls to us, I doubt we'll take a RB with our 1st round pick. Hopefully, we'll be able to trade down & pick up a 2nd or 3rd round pick from someone. I read somewhere where the writer speculated that we could trade down with San Francisco for their late 1st (formally New England's) & early 2nd round picks. Given our success in the last 2 drafts, I'd be very interested in such a trade.

By the way, does anyone know the current prognosis of Chris Taylor?

Rex King
12-08-2007, 01:37 PM
http://www.houstonprofootball.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8094

Ugh!

Napa Auto Parts
12-08-2007, 06:12 PM
we should just cut Green and take the Cap hit on him next year if we wanted a BUM knee running back we could of kept DW the star formerly known as DD.:cool:

beerlover
12-08-2007, 07:18 PM
for those of you who understandably are upset & personally feel the $6M cap hit try & understand the buisness side I'm sure Ahman Green didn't point a :gun: to the Texans collective heads & demand they cough up 23 million or else, it was the Texans decision he just agreed.

we've been down this road before I'm almost always in favor of the player/worker over the establishment/buisness as long as its not something of a scam planned out in advance. pre-condition or not I beleive Ahman Green came here to our city to play football for the Houston Texans & unfortunate as it is his body just broke down on him.

one of the beautiful things about this organization is that they have the resources to recover easily from this, while I'm mad he can't play too (as I'm sure he is as well) at least he can live a happy & productive life moving forward. I wish him well, maybe if he is interested he could coach the backfield the Texans could still recover some of their losses :)

Hook'er
12-08-2007, 11:31 PM
All I know is let's please draft a RB in the first 3 rounds, for the sake of the team!:texflag:

Hook'er
12-08-2007, 11:35 PM
I would say in the 3rd, unless Stewart is there when we pick in the first!:texflag:

Lucky
12-09-2007, 09:09 AM
Looks like the Chronic's Richard (in)Justice believe's Ahman is good as gone (http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2007/12/looking_back_on.html).

Looking toward 2008, what position should the Texans fix first?

I'm voting for an impact running back. Until the Texans can run the ball consistently, they won't be able to protect Matt Schaub or be productive on offense.

In the wake of Ahman Green's release, let's review the previous off-season. Gary Kubiak and Rick Smith appear to have had another solid draft depending on the development of Amobi Okoye. They got it right with Danny Clark, but whiffed on Jordan Black and Ahman Green. They also got it right on Matt Schaub, but the jury is still out given his injuries.

I was way wrong on Ahman Green. I knew there were risks associated with a 30-year-old running back. I also believed Ahman Green was far better than anyone the Texans had on their roster or could get in the draft. They weren't going to get Adrian Peterson with the 10th pick, and it was a thin draft for running backs. In the end, I thought Ahman Green still had gas in the tank.


He didn't. Zilch. Zippo. Ahman Green was $6.5 million poorly spent. (I think he has another $1.5 million in guaranteed money coming if the Texans cut him.) He had three games in which he got at least 15 carries. He finished with 260 rushing yards and two touchdowns. In the snapshot that the Texans had Matt Schaub, Ahman Green and Andre Johnson healthy, they looked like a playoff team. But that's irrelevant.


On a side note, Ahman Green isn't exactly the nicest guy the Texans have had in their lockerroom. If a guy can't play, you'd think he'd at least be nice. Don't judge a guy by the smiling face you see on TV. Even jerks can be nice for 90 seconds.
Has Green already cleaned out his locker? I doubt King Richard would be slamming Ahman so hard, if he still had to face him at the practice facility.

But, you don't have to be Miss Cleo to foresee Green's release. Conventional thinking would have the Texans taking a RB in the draft. I think Smith & Kubiak won't wait that long, and will hit free agency once again. Michael Turner would be a long shot, but Julius Jones is a possibility. Jones' outside game would mesh well in combination with Ron Dayne. Sorry Herv (if you're still out there), but the Dayne Train will be pulling out of Reliant Station again next season.

threetoedpete
12-09-2007, 10:45 AM
so ahmen doesn't bend over and kiss the media's ring...therefore we dump him is that it ? And just when has this HC thrown any veteran under the bus ? six million here six million there prety soon you're talking some big money. Money you won't see the chronicle put up. They can't even afford to put the college FB stats up any more. Dump the college football stats for the genderly challenged boys socker teams. Is that it ? Got the cutie pie shorts on: gets the chronicle sport reporter guys hot...they dump the FB stats is that it ? So instead of replacing some of these neandertal sports guys they have they chop the football coverage. I think I see the problem here. No one likes lopez . no one likes justice. And yet the chronicle keeps paying these guys. How about this we dump those two keep the scocer coverage for the genderaly challenged so they aren't banging on our childern and bring back the college football stats ?

Texans Horror
12-09-2007, 11:19 AM
I hoped for better from him. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought he only had two games where he started and finished the game. If he had found a way to stay healthy, he would have been big for the Texans. Now they are back in the mix for another running back, unless Walker or somebody develops.

However, I'm still happy with what the Texans have gotten out of Dayne. He is great for November and December. Now the Texans just need somebody who can run in September and August.

Thorn
12-09-2007, 11:32 AM
It's going to be interesting to see what The Dayne Train does today. I have a feeling they will be using him a lot. I suspect he'll pop one or two today and approach 100 yards before he collapses in a cloud of pizza crust.

cuppacoffee
12-09-2007, 12:06 PM
so ahmen doesn't bend over and kiss the media's ring...therefore we dump him is that it ? And just when has this HC thrown any veteran under the bus ? six million here six million there prety soon you're talking some big money. Money you won't see the chronicle put up. They can't even afford to put the college FB stats up any more. Dump the college football stats for the genderly challenged boys socker teams. Is that it ? Got the cutie pie shorts on: gets the chronicle sport reporter guys hot...they dump the FB stats is that it ? So instead of replacing some of these neandertal sports guys they have they chop the football coverage. I think I see the problem here. No one likes lopez . no one likes justice. And yet the chronicle keeps paying these guys. How about this we dump those two keep the scocer coverage for the genderaly challenged so they aren't banging on our childern and bring back the college football stats ?


Do you think the Texans should keep Ahman around for another year?

It's hard to tell from your above post.

"Six million here and six million there."

Agreed.

The money spent on sports today is beyond my understanding. I bought tickets to the Oilers when they were $7 a game and $3 to park.

As far as the "genderly challenged" comment, I really don't understand what you are trying to convey there.

The Chronicle is reaching out to a large segment of their reading public by reporting on soccer games. I personally do not like soccer, but then many soccer fans don't like our brand of football. :throwball:

I also don't like cricket, badminton, table tennis, nascar and televised golf plus many other types of competive events. But others do.

It's mostly a cultural thing that most of us didn't grow up with here in the US.

I have never personally seen or heard of any soccer player "banging on" my children. Or anyone elses' for that matter.

If I did, I would be judged by 12 of my peers.

I also disagree with most of what Justice and Lopez have to say.

I really doubt that the Chronic discarded football stats because the soccer players wear "cutie pie shorts:. :D

As far as college football stats. I only care about the stats of my favorite team, and there are web sites to garner that information.



:coffee:

fikster
12-09-2007, 01:29 PM
does anyone know chis taylor status for the 08 season?

Wolf
03-03-2008, 01:31 PM
http://blogs.chron.com/gamedaytexans/2008/03/ahman_green_ready_for_fresh_st.html


March 02, 2008
Texans' Ahman Green ready for fresh start

I talked to Texans running back Ahman Green and it appears as if he will be full strength when the Texans offseason workout program starts at the end of March.

Green suffered a serious knee injury in the first game last season. He tried to play through it, but it got worse each time he got hit. He was never able to play in a complete game last season and eventually landed on the injured reserve. The injury wasn't one that required surgery though. It mostly needed just rest.

The injury wasn't similar to Mario Williams' plantar fasciitis (inflammation in the foot), but the best way to recover was similar. Everyone remembers how Williams came back as a sophomore after taking off a few months. The Texans need Green to have a similar recovery and comeback.

Green sounded optimistic last week and said he is looking forward to joining his teammates soon.

"It's going good," Green said. "I've been working out for almost two months and then I'm going to take a little break before we start as a team come March 31st. It'll be a needed break. I've been going hard at it. Take a little couple of weeks off and get back to it."

Green said once he joins the offseason workouts, he will no longer in the rehabilitation stages.

Texans Pride
03-03-2008, 01:45 PM
Nice info Wolf!

Although I do have to say, I choked on my salad when I saw this thread come up. I thought, crap, he's already on IR and we haven't even started working out yet!!!

Texans Horror
03-03-2008, 02:03 PM
If AG lives up to his potential - a 1000+ yarder, then the Texans are in good form. The problem is if the dude gets injured again and Dayne is left carrying the load. While Dayne is a great back and I am so glad the Texans got him, I question the Texans' ability to make it to the play-offs with just Dayne in the backfield.

Errant Hothy
03-03-2008, 02:09 PM
I still think it's a DD/W type injury. THe second he takes another hit it'll flare up again...but I hope he'll be good for the 2008 season.

Texans_Chick
03-03-2008, 02:16 PM
http://blogs.chron.com/gamedaytexans/2008/03/ahman_green_ready_for_fresh_st.html

Well, then, goodbye to Mr. Green.

If the Chronicle reports anything optimistic about an injury, then it is best to think the opposite of what is being reported.

I know there is an analogy in the blog posting to MW's plantar fasciitis and that what Green has needs rest, but there is some siginficant differences:

1. Green is old.
2. This involves a knee.

Knees are funky. Running backs need knees.

There is a reason why the public information about Green's knee was all over the place. From what I understand from things I've heard is that the Texans and Green may have disagreed with what was exactly ailing with his knee.

If Ahman was up for Dancing With the Stars next year, I think he would be fine to do that. An entire season of NFL football, I have no confidence in.

nero THE zero
03-03-2008, 02:25 PM
Well, then, goodbye to Mr. Green.

If the Chronicle reports anything optimistic about an injury, then it is best to think the opposite of what is being reported.

I know there is an analogy in the blog posting to MW's plantar fasciitis and that what Green has needs rest, but there is some siginficant differences:

1. Green is old.
2. This involves a knee.

Knees are funky. Running backs need knees.

There is a reason why the public information about Green's knee was all over the place. From what I understand from things I've heard is that the Texans and Green may have disagreed with what was exactly ailing with his knee.

If Ahman was up for Dancing With the Stars next year, I think he would be fine to do that. An entire season of NFL football, I have no confidence in.

FWIW, Andre Ware claims that Green's injury was a deep bone bruise, similar to something Ware suffered in his career, and just takes rest to heal. Now, I'm not entirely comfortable taking Ware for his word because (1) I disagree with him 95% of the time, (2) I think he is overly homerish and naive, and (3) frankly, I think he is an *****. But, this is what he has said since the injury occured and it certainly wouldn't hurt to have a healthy Ahman Green back next season.

Furthermore, I think if this was something simliar to DD's injury one of Green's MRIs would have revealed something structural. I think the similarities between Green and Davis are more symbolic than substantive.

dalemurphy
03-03-2008, 02:35 PM
If AG lives up to his potential - a 1000+ yarder, then the Texans are in good form. The problem is if the dude gets injured again and Dayne is left carrying the load. While Dayne is a great back and I am so glad the Texans got him, I question the Texans' ability to make it to the play-offs with just Dayne in the backfield.


My hope is a healthy AGreen who by mid-season will essentially be the 3rd down back. Chris Taylor and a rookie mid-round pick will hopefully be sharing the bulk of the carries.

badboy
03-03-2008, 02:36 PM
Green's injury was not a "momma, kiss the bo-bo and go play." This simply comes down to whether, Smith wants to takes a chance. Two things play out here. One the draft is still a few weeks off allowing even more exams and testing to be done. If the trainers are not putting Green through various physicals, I'd be stunned. As Stephanie said, I have no confidence is Green. Second, the team has until June first to cut him and save some bucks ($3.8m) and I'm ok with that as long as a solid young back is drafted. I'd be ok with a Stewart/Mendenhall/Forte selection in draft; Green, Dayne and Walker/Taylor (with the odd guy out on PS) roster; if that is Kubes decision. I just don't want Green to be the go to guy with no backup or #1 guy. If you can get one of the three draftees I mentioned and save $4million cutting Green? Well four million is almost real money.

dalemurphy
03-03-2008, 02:44 PM
Green's injury was not a "momma, kiss the bo-bo and go play." This simply comes down to whether, Smith wants to takes a chance. Two things play out here. One the draft is still a few weeks off allowing even more exams and testing to be done. If the trainers are not putting Green through various physicals, I'd be stunned. As Stephanie said, I have no confidence is Green. Second, the team has until June first to cut him and save some bucks ($3.8m) and I'm ok with that as long as a solid young back is drafted. I'd be ok with a Stewart/Mendenhall/Forte selection in draft; Green, Dayne and Walker/Taylor (with the odd guy out on PS) roster; if that is Kubes decision. I just don't want Green to be the go to guy with no backup or #1 guy. If you can get one of the three draftees I mentioned and save $4million cutting Green? Well four million is almost real money.

I agree that it would be nice to get rid of Green since we can't go into the season relying on him for anything. However, I just don't think Kube and Smith are going to roll dead money over into next season, which is what a June 1st cut will do...

I expect them to draft a guy in the middle rounds, and plan to go into the season with Green, Taylor, Walker, and the rookie- keeping 4 on the 53 man roster all season... furthermore, I'd expect 1 or 2 guys on the practice squad.
Unless Green gets injured, I don't expect him to be released until at least next June.

Texans_Chick
03-03-2008, 02:50 PM
FWIW, Andre Ware claims that Green's injury was a deep bone bruise, similar to something Ware suffered in his career, and just takes rest to heal. Now, I'm not entirely comfortable taking Ware for his word because (1) I disagree with him 95% of the time, (2) I think he is overly homerish and naive, and (3) frankly, I think he is an *****. But, this is what he has said since the injury occured and it certainly wouldn't hurt to have a healthy Ahman Green back next season.

Furthermore, I think if this was something simliar to DD's injury one of Green's MRIs would have revealed something structural. I think the similarities between Green and Davis are more symbolic than substantive.

I know that what has been said at times publicly is that Green has a bone bruise, the sort that shows up on an MRI. At other times, it was described differently. (I heard he consulted with a number of doctors about the knee and that not all of them said he had a bone bruise. Pretty good source).

What DD/W had was a bone bruise too.

Green has been optimistic about the knee in the past, and all that did was delay being put on the IR.

Whatever is being said publicly, the truth is that knees are quirky and that the reports that come from the Chronicle about injuries usually are whatever is said by the player/team without any further discussion of the injury by outside experts.

Remember the optimistic Spencer stories right before the draft? It was a nice story about Kailee Wong coming back from a awful injury, but it was more of a symbolic comeback than anything else.

kiwitexansfan
03-03-2008, 02:52 PM
Nice info Wolf!

Although I do have to say, I choked on my salad when I saw this thread come up. I thought, crap, he's already on IR and we haven't even started working out yet!!!

Agreed, don't do that to a guy....

Lucky
03-03-2008, 02:54 PM
Remember the optimistic Spencer stories right before the draft? It was a nice story about Kailee Wong coming back from a awful injury, but it was more of a symbolic comeback than anything else.
Remember when Tony Boselli and Bennie Joppru played for the Texans?

I don't, either. Nothing goes better together than Texans and injuries.

Second Honeymoon
03-03-2008, 02:56 PM
I know that what has been said at times publicly is that Green has a bone bruise, the sort that shows up on an MRI. At other times, it was described differently. (I heard he consulted with a number of doctors about the knee and that not all of them said he had a bone bruise. Pretty good source).

What DD/W had was a bone bruise too.

Green has been optimistic about the knee in the past, and all that did was delay being put on the IR.

Whatever is being said publicly, the truth is that knees are quirky and that the reports that come from the Chronicle about injuries usually are whatever is said by the player/team without any further discussion of the injury by outside experts.

Remember the optimistic Spencer stories right before the draft? It was a nice story about Kailee Wong coming back from a awful injury, but it was more of a symbolic comeback than anything else.

If you go back to McLain's interview with McNair, McNair hinted that 'Green would have to play for the Texans' in order for things to work out between the two. to me, that meant 'Green is going to have to rework a more team friendly deal for us to take the risk of bringing him back in 08' At that point I pretty much knew Green's days were numbered in Houston unless he sacrifices some of his money for the team. I am guessing he would rather be a Free Agent and keep his bonus.

Texans_Chick
03-03-2008, 02:57 PM
Remember when Tony Boselli and Bennie Joppru played for the Texans?

I don't, either. Nothing goes better together than Texans and injuries.

Or how about how Andre Johnson kept being reported as day to day last year and the Chronicle not publishing many details about his injury. It took a while before they even said what leg was affected.

Second Honeymoon
03-03-2008, 02:57 PM
Remember when Tony Boselli and Bennie Joppru played for the Texans?

I don't, either. Nothing goes better together than Texans and injuries.

Sad but true.

dalemurphy
03-03-2008, 03:05 PM
Or how about how Andre Johnson kept being reported as day to day last year and the Chronicle not publishing many details about his injury. It took a while before they even said what leg was affected.

Does the media in Houston ask the appropriate questions with vigor? because all I ever hear from Kubiak is "he got dinged", "day to day", "talk to Kevin about that"?..

Of course, I've never seen one quote from Kevin nor have I seen anyone press the issue of "day to day" after it's been 5 or 6 weeks.

nut
03-04-2008, 08:59 PM
How many years do we have to pay him? That was Sherman's doing.

GP
03-05-2008, 10:03 AM
Awesome!I might have to keep Yukon for a bit. Pretty tough guy who takes out and tames Bumbles.

I'm with you on the IR thing. I think this is starting the off-season despite probably being able to play or get through it.

LOL. Man, if I am pessimistic about everything...then you are the ying to my yang. I wish I had an ounce of your optimism. I was under the impression Ahman couldn't finish out the season. Seemed like he rested a few games, came into a game and then got hit and was limping off the field again. Am I not readin the bolded part of your post correctly? It appears you felt that he started the off-season rest/re-hab instead of playing through it.

Won't he get hit on the knee, again, and it will "re-bruise," even if he rested an entire year?

CloakNNNdagger might be able to help us out a bit with his knowledge of knees. I don't think there's enough healing time to get him over what he's got going on in the knee.

Dayne and Darius Walker, with Taylor in the mix, will be the guys running the ball. That's my take.

CloakNNNdagger
03-05-2008, 12:24 PM
In general people get the wrong idea of what a bone bruise is. They compare it to another condition that they are very familiar with.......a plain old soft tissue bruise. That type of bruise is caused by trauma to the soft tissues which creates breaks in the blood vessels in the soft tissues. The resulting bleed creates the classic bruise appearance..........blood being seen through the overlying skin.

However, classic bruise and "bone bruise" has very little in common in terms of mechanism, presentation and prognosis. An over simplified explanation of the term "bone bruise" is when a bone is subjected to a significant direct impact. But instead of the bone breaking in the classic thinking, the outside of the bone remains intact and the inner marrow of the bone is disrupted with microfracturing. This creates bleeding inside the bone with pressures developing proportionate to the "internal injury" to the marrow. Think of it as a blow to the head, which then causes bleeding inside the skull, this putting pressure of the brain because there is not room for expansion within the skull cavity...........the result from unrelenting pressure on the brain........STROKE. In the case of the knee bone bruise, pressure inside the marrow builds up (bleeding and swelling), pain and debility can be such that the whole bone might as well be broken in two, and secondary circulatory and pressure damage to the outer layer of bone/cartilage occurs. The more severe the marrow damage/bleed and the longer the internal pressure the longer the recovery (average 10 months rest) and the greater the ultimate damage to the bone/cartilage. Understand that the outside bone/cartilage does not only rely on INTACT blood vessels on their surfaces, but also the circulatory network within the bone marrow. Age, previous history of similar injury or injury within an involved joint, accompanying acute injuries and pre-existing degenerative changes all are factors in the prognosis of this type of injury. It will always result in some damage (as in this case to the knee) and degeneration of the overlying bone /cartilage structures.

Not knowing what the true facts of this case really makes the ultimate prognosis somewhat elusive. However, I would have to say that this is not a minor injury to an RB who will continue to expose himself to repeated trauma.

infantrycak
03-05-2008, 12:42 PM
Dayne and Darius Walker, with Taylor in the mix, will be the guys running the ball. That's my take.

That must be why the Texans have re-signed Dayne...ooops. And according to McClain, they don't have any intention to do so.

Hagar
03-05-2008, 12:44 PM
Or how about how Andre Johnson kept being reported as day to day last year and the Chronicle not publishing many details about his injury. It took a while before they even said what leg was affected.I think you hit the nail on the head right there. All the reporters in Houston play softball with the NFL head coaches. They did it with Capers too.

aj.
03-05-2008, 12:53 PM
In general people get the wrong idea of what a bone bruise is. .


Thank you.

Bone bruise is one of those terms like stomach flu. I prefer the technical explanation over the Old Farmers Almanac version.

As far as Ahman being ready for a fresh start, of course he is. There's a 200k bonus waiting for him if he completes 95% of the off-season program.

HOU-TEX
03-05-2008, 01:19 PM
That must be why the Texans have re-signed Dayne...ooops. And according to McClain, they don't have any intention to do so.

Apparently nobody else does either. I don't think there's been a hint of interest in him.

Hmm....wonder why? He's not very good, maybe. :thinking:

nunusguy
03-05-2008, 01:44 PM
"However, I would have to say that this is not a minor injury to an RB who will continue to expose himself to repeated trauma."
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Thanks for the entire explanation Cloak'nDag. That was certainly complex yet by leaving out much of the medical terminology laymen like myself could still understand what you were talking about. And if I ever thought a "bone bruise"
was somewhat of an innocuous injury, I won't again.

Texans_Chick
03-05-2008, 02:09 PM
In general people get the wrong idea of what a bone bruise is. They compare it to another condition that they are very familiar with.......a plain old soft tissue bruise. That type of bruise is caused by trauma to the soft tissues which creates breaks in the blood vessels in the soft tissues. The resulting bleed creates the classic bruise appearance..........blood being seen through the overlying skin.

However, classic bruise and "bone bruise" has very little in common in terms of mechanism, presentation and prognosis. An over simplified explanation of the term "bone bruise" is when a bone is subjected to a significant direct impact. But instead of the bone breaking in the classic thinking, the outside of the bone remains intact and the inner marrow of the bone is disrupted with microfracturing. This creates bleeding inside the bone with pressures developing proportionate to the "internal injury" to the marrow. Think of it as a blow to the head, which then causes bleeding inside the skull, this putting pressure of the brain because there is not room for expansion within the skull cavity...........the result from unrelenting pressure on the brain........STROKE. In the case of the knee bone bruise, pressure inside the marrow builds up (bleeding and swelling), pain and debility can be such that the whole bone might as well be broken in two, and secondary circulatory and pressure damage to the outer layer of bone/cartilage occurs. The more severe the marrow damage/bleed and the longer the internal pressure the longer the recovery (average 10 months rest) and the greater the ultimate damage to the bone/cartilage. Understand that the outside bone/cartilage does not only rely on INTACT blood vessels on their surfaces, but also the circulatory network within the bone marrow. Age, previous history of similar injury or injury within an involved joint, accompanying acute injuries and pre-existing degenerative changes all are factors in the prognosis of this type of injury. It will always result in some damage (as in this case to the knee) and degeneration of the overlying bone /cartilage structures.

Not knowing what the true facts of this case really makes the ultimate prognosis somewhat elusive. However, I would have to say that this is not a minor injury to an RB who will continue to expose himself to repeated trauma.


Thanks for talking about this again.

You are correct in saying we might not know what the "true facts" of this case are. I've heard his injury being discussed as a "bone bruise" some, but I've also heard of some other things being said, some publicly and some just rumors.

Football is a game of injuries, and the timing of the injuries can mean a lot money wise. Like with what happened with Jerome Bettis (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/steelers/2007-08-22-bettis-book_N.htm).

Publicly Green says he is fine. I am guessing the Texans aren't going to talk about it much other than nothing to see here, move along.

Hervoyel
03-05-2008, 02:23 PM
I've become such a pessimist where Green is concerned. Every time I see this thread titled "Green to IR" I think "Again?"

Errant Hothy
03-05-2008, 02:26 PM
I've become such a pessimist where Green is concerned. Every time I see this thread titled "Green to IR" I think "Again?"

I saw it, and then noticed that I has starter it and was like "what the hell?".

Specnatz
03-05-2008, 02:50 PM
I've become such a pessimist where Green is concerned. Every time I see this thread titled "Green to IR" I think "Again?"

Your a mod change the title to "Green's recovery process"

Hervoyel
03-05-2008, 03:25 PM
Your a mod change the title to "Green's recovery process"

It was a joke. I mod with a philosophy that goes something like "He who mods best, mods least" and I try not to change things unnecessarily if I can avoid it.

Specnatz
03-05-2008, 04:58 PM
It was a joke. I mod with a philosophy that goes something like "He who mods best, mods least" and I try not to change things unnecessarily if I can avoid it.

I figured you were kidding a bit but when I saw someone else chime in with the same thought, I figured I would offer an option.

Errant Hothy
03-05-2008, 05:00 PM
I figured you were kidding a bit but when I saw someone else chime in with the same thought, I figured I would offer an option.

Don't change it...it makes me laugh every time I open the forums.

Malloy
03-05-2008, 05:31 PM
Don't change it...it makes me laugh every time I open the forums.

It makes me jump every time I press refresh :)

PHAROAH
03-06-2008, 03:19 PM
I can't wait until they cut green and dayne they are a waste of space.

Specnatz
03-06-2008, 03:22 PM
I can't wait until they cut green and dayne they are a waste of space.

Cant cut dayne he is a free agent.

badboy
03-06-2008, 03:33 PM
Thank you.

Bone bruise is one of those terms like stomach flu. I prefer the technical explanation over the Old Farmers Almanac version.

As far as Ahman being ready for a fresh start, of course he is. There's a 200k bonus waiting for him if he completes 95% of the off-season program.I'll gladly give him $200k today and save $3.8 million June 1st.