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eriadoc
12-07-2007, 01:06 PM
Well, you are as good as your record, so in that regard, yes. But if you go position by position, should they be any better than us? The injuries have certainly killed the Texans' chances of winning, but even when folks were healthy, they haven't performed up to par. Guys that this team depends on have turned the ball over at an alarming rate, and they've made boneheaded play after another.

For all the flashes that we see from Schaub, he's thrown 9 TDs in 12 games (11 games?). He's thrown as many picks, and fumbled as well. In addition, he's been nicked and dinged seemingly everytime he gets hit. I know guys can't control injuries, but why should Schaub get a pass on the injury front, when guys like DD were written off for being a poor player due to injury? It's still early in the Schaub era, so that book isn't being written yet, but it's not too early to start asking critical questions, IMO. The Bucs have Jeff Garcia, some of the time, and Luke McCown the rest. If you had asked me prior to the season who I'd take of the three, it would have been Schaub in a landslide. It still would be. But if you asked me which set of numbers I'd rather have, not the least of which is WINS, I'd have to choose Garcia (11 TDs, 3 INT, 2100+ yds).

As far as the rest of the offense goes, Ahman Green or Cadillac? Moot point, as neither have played for their teams. The Bucs definitely have a better backup, and this is a big reason why their team is doing well. AJ over Galloway, easily! Except, Galloway has 18.2 YPC, 6 TDs, and is coming up on 1000 yards. He will probably get it Sunday, in fact. AJ has been awesome, for about three games. OD is a great TE prospect .... that keeps fumbling the ball. I don't know much about Alex Smith.

On defense, they still have Ronde Barber and Derrick Brooks. That's a nice duo, to which they added Cato June. Is that better than our trio of Mario, Dunta, and Ryans? Should it be? Obviously defense is not played by three guys; I'm just thinking out loud in this thread.

I'ts disheartening to see teams like the Bucs do as well as they do with less than premium talent, while we can't seem to get going at all. There are a lot of teams that hover around mediocrity that I think our players should compare to, but then we fall well below mediocrity. This season in particular, I would tend to think of some of our players as good, but then they fumble, or throw a pick, and that has to factor into player evaluation at some point. The turnovers are killing us.

Anyway, I'm rambling, but I needed to talk football today :)

Second Honeymoon
12-07-2007, 01:34 PM
Well, you are as good as your record, so in that regard, yes. But if you go position by position, should they be any better than us? The injuries have certainly killed the Texans' chances of winning, but even when folks were healthy, they haven't performed up to par. Guys that this team depends on have turned the ball over at an alarming rate, and they've made boneheaded play after another.

For all the flashes that we see from Schaub, he's thrown 9 TDs in 12 games (11 games?). He's thrown as many picks, and fumbled as well. In addition, he's been nicked and dinged seemingly everytime he gets hit. I know guys can't control injuries, but why should Schaub get a pass on the injury front, when guys like DD were written off for being a poor player due to injury? It's still early in the Schaub era, so that book isn't being written yet, but it's not too early to start asking critical questions, IMO. The Bucs have Jeff Garcia, some of the time, and Luke McCown the rest. If you had asked me prior to the season who I'd take of the three, it would have been Schaub in a landslide. It still would be. But if you asked me which set of numbers I'd rather have, not the least of which is WINS, I'd have to choose Garcia (11 TDs, 3 INT, 2100+ yds).

As far as the rest of the offense goes, Ahman Green or Cadillac? Moot point, as neither have played for their teams. The Bucs definitely have a better backup, and this is a big reason why their team is doing well. AJ over Galloway, easily! Except, Galloway has 18.2 YPC, 6 TDs, and is coming up on 1000 yards. He will probably get it Sunday, in fact. AJ has been awesome, for about three games. OD is a great TE prospect .... that keeps fumbling the ball. I don't know much about Alex Smith.

On defense, they still have Ronde Barber and Derrick Brooks. That's a nice duo, to which they added Cato June. Is that better than our trio of Mario, Dunta, and Ryans? Should it be? Obviously defense is not played by three guys; I'm just thinking out loud in this thread.

I'ts disheartening to see teams like the Bucs do as well as they do with less than premium talent, while we can't seem to get going at all. There are a lot of teams that hover around mediocrity that I think our players should compare to, but then we fall well below mediocrity. This season in particular, I would tend to think of some of our players as good, but then they fumble, or throw a pick, and that has to factor into player evaluation at some point. The turnovers are killing us.

Anyway, I'm rambling, but I needed to talk football today :)

Garcia was looked at as the better QB before the season started but the Texans went for a long term fix rather than a stop-gap in Garcia. Garcia was coming off a great year last year and without doubt was viewed as a QB more ready to win in 2007 than Schaub was.

As for their defensive talent, I would take their secondary in a heartbeat...even when ours is healthy. We still have the worst safety talent in the NFL and its been that way since day one.

As for their running game, I would take theirs....captain obvious. The passing game is a draw because AJ>Joey and Garcia>Schaub.

As for their coaching, there isnt even a comparison. One of the best coaching staffs in the league reside in Tampa Bay while arguably the worst coaching staff in the league resides in our fair city, Houston. Our coaching staff is utterly inept and completely pathetic. Kubiak is ok as a coordinator but is just a horrible head coach. Horrible. A flatlining yes man who has surrounded himself by a bunch of horrible coaches who all came on the cheap....just like McNair likes it.

Black Spot
12-07-2007, 02:04 PM
It's disheartening to see teams like the Bucs do as well as they do with less than premium talent.

Less than premium talent? Are you kidding me? Obviously you don't know that the Bucs roster boasts something like 20 former first round picks. They have the most former first round picks on one team in the NFL. You also obviously don't know that some of our great players like Ronde Barber, Jeff Garcia and Earnest Graham aren't even among these players who were formerly selected in the first round.

On to our defense, NFL teams that copy us (all 25+ of them) are again watching film of our defense to teach their own players how to play the Tampa 2 scheme correctly.

The Bucs D is back. Watchout NFL.

crunkbuc4d1
12-07-2007, 02:05 PM
Ok, the problem with this thread is that all you did was mention the big named players on our roster. The reason for the Bucs' success this season is because they went with a youth movement, but kept or added a veteran leader on each level of the team. They also made changes on the coaching staff. So do some research or ask a Bucs fan a little something about the team before you break down the roster.

From top to bottom, I'd take our talent over yours because ours know how to win. There may be a few more physically gifted players on your roster, but that doesn't mean anything when u end a game with a "L".

crunkbuc4d1
12-07-2007, 02:06 PM
Spot...you beat me by a few seconds.

Black Spot
12-07-2007, 02:07 PM
The Bucs have Jeff Garcia, some of the time, and Luke McCown the rest.


What the F are you talking about? Jeff Garcia has played in every game but one, last week against the Saints....and also, Luke McCown didn't see a snap all season long until last week.

Go watch some tape or look at thier season stats dude. Cuz you are WAY off base.

spent
12-07-2007, 02:08 PM
:popcorn: I was just waiting to see who would hit "reply" first......

crunkbuc4d1
12-07-2007, 02:11 PM
:popcorn: I was just waiting to see who would hit "reply" first......

Is it safe to say that eriadoc has stirred up the deck?

Black Spot
12-07-2007, 02:13 PM
Spot...you beat me by a few seconds.


I don't know wtf he was talking about Crunk...lol.


If we wanted to we can go through each roster 1-53, I'm pretty sure the balance is going to heavily favor TB. So much so that the scale would look like this...

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u152/BucJam07/lawscale22.jpg

SheTexan
12-07-2007, 02:13 PM
:popcorn: I was just waiting to see who would hit "reply" first......

GOOD luck Buc fans, on any other Sunday!!:) You do have the cutest coach in the NFL, that's for sure!!:heart:

crunkbuc4d1
12-07-2007, 02:16 PM
I don't know wtf he was talking about Crunk...lol.


If we wanted to we can go through each roster 1-53 and I'm pretty sure the balance is going to favor TB so much that the scale would look like this...

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u152/BucJam07/lawscale22.jpg


Spot...be nice. Don't get too worked up over this.

But really...what was he thinking?

Black Spot
12-07-2007, 02:18 PM
I couldn't help it...so here goes.

QB - Bucs
RB - Bucs
FB - Bucs
WR - Push
TE - Bucs
OT - Bucs
OG - Bucs
C - Bucs

DE - Bucs
DT - Bucs
OLB - Bucs
MLB - Bucs
CB - Bucs
FS - Bucs
SS - Bucs

K - Bucs
P - Bucs

Head Coach - Bucs
Offensive Assistants - Bucs
Defensive Coordinator - Bucs
Defensive Assistants - Bucs

Record (8-4) - Bucs

GM - Bucs
Owner - Bucs

Stadium - Bucs
City/Area - Bucs

HJam72
12-07-2007, 02:22 PM
Wow, that was really close. :cool:

HOU-TEX
12-07-2007, 02:27 PM
I couldn't help it...so here goes.

QB - Bucs
RB - Bucs
FB - Bucs
WR - Push
TE - Bucs
OT - Bucs
OG - Bucs
C - Bucs

DE - Bucs
DT - Bucs
OLB - Bucs
MLB - Bucs
CB - Bucs
FS - Bucs
SS - Bucs

K - Bucs
P - Bucs

Head Coach - Bucs
Offensive Assistants - Bucs
Defensive Coordinator - Bucs
Defensive Assistants - Bucs

Record (8-4) - Bucs

GM - Bucs
Owner - Bucs

Stadium - Bucs
City/Area - Bucs

Wow, thanks for the unbiased opinion. :rolleyes:

crunkbuc4d1
12-07-2007, 02:31 PM
Wow, thanks for the unbiased opinion. :rolleyes:

Honestly most of the list is right. the only position that I think the Texans are better at is WR.

I'm not touching the Stadium or City/Area with a 10ft pole.

Black Spot
12-07-2007, 02:33 PM
Wow, that was really close. :cool:


Just trying to show how the "Bucs do as well as they do with less than premium talent".

HOU-TEX
12-07-2007, 02:33 PM
Honestly most of the list is right. the only position that I think the Texans are better at is WR.

I'm not touching the Stadium or City/Area with a 10ft pole.

Possibly, but at least throw us a bone or two. We're hurtin here. :)

Specnatz
12-07-2007, 02:34 PM
I couldn't help it...so here goes.

QB - Bucs
RB - Bucs
FB - Bucs
WR - Push
TE - Bucs
OT - Bucs
OG - Bucs
C - Bucs

DE - Bucs
DT - Bucs
OLB - Bucs
MLB - Bucs
CB - Bucs
FS - Bucs
SS - Bucs

K - Bucs
P - Bucs

Head Coach - Bucs
Offensive Assistants - Bucs
Defensive Coordinator - Bucs
Defensive Assistants - Bucs

Record (8-4) - Bucs

GM - Bucs
Owner - Bucs

Stadium - Bucs

City/Area - Bucs



Lets not just throw out some really objective things. You like the Bucs we get that but to say the owner is better or the stadium is better when you most likely have never been to Reliant. It is one of the Premiur stadiums in the league. It is not not me saying that, it has gotten so many rave reviews it is not even funny.

nnud28
12-07-2007, 02:40 PM
I couldn't help it...so here goes.

QB -push with Schwab playing
RB - Bucs
FB - Bucs
WR - Push
TE - push
OT - Bucs
OG - Bucs
C - Texans (Don't like Wade)

DE -Texans
DT - Bucs
OLB - Bucs
MLB - Bucs
CB - Bucs
FS - Bucs
SS - Bucs

K - Bucs
P - Bucs

Head Coach - Bucs
Offensive Assistants - push
Defensive Coordinator - Bucs
Defensive Assistants - Bucs



fixed that 4 ya

Texan_Bill
12-07-2007, 02:40 PM
I couldn't help it...so here goes.

QB - TEXANS
RB - TEXANS
FB - TEXANS
WR - TEXANS
TE -TEXANS
OT - TEXANS
OG - TEXANS
C - TEXANS


DE - TEXANS
DT -TEXANS
OLB - TEXANS
MLB - TEXANS
CB - TEXANS
FS - TEXANS
SS - TEXANS

K - TEXANS
P - TEXANS


Head Coach - TEXANS
Offensive Assistants - TEXANS
Defensive Coordinator - Got us there
Defensive Assistants - TEXANS

Record (8-4) - Bucs.... Caveat, its in the Nancy Football Conference
GM - TEXANS
Owner - TEXANS


Stadium - RELIANT
City/Area - H-TOWN - BY FarTEXANS


There, made a few corrections for you!!

Ole Miss Texan
12-07-2007, 02:41 PM
I couldn't help it...so here goes.

QB - Bucs
RB - Bucs
FB - Bucs
WR - Push
TE - Bucs
OT - Bucs
OG - Bucs
C - Bucs

DE - Bucs
DT - Bucs
OLB - Bucs
MLB - Bucs -Push
CB - Bucs
FS - Bucs
SS - Bucs



I wanted to come down hard on you, but truthfully your list sadly looks fairly accurate. I wouldn't give the definite edge to Ruud for MLB- I'd give Meco and Ruud a push....

HOU-TEX
12-07-2007, 02:43 PM
There, made a few corrections for you!!

Ahh, see it looks better when there's truly an unbiased opinion. LMAO! :user:

Black Spot
12-07-2007, 02:45 PM
Honestly most of the list is right. the only position that I think the Texans are better at is WR.

I'm not touching the Stadium or City/Area with a 10ft pole.


Yea sorry, I was being a smartass when I wrote those.

Reliant as well as Ray Jay are both premium NFL stadiums and both will hold a number of Super Bowls in thier time.

Btw, we have next year's SB and I believe Reliant does in '11, sadly after Miami somehow get's another two.

crunkbuc4d1
12-07-2007, 03:12 PM
I wanted to come down hard on you, but truthfully your list sadly looks fairly accurate. I wouldn't give the definite edge to Ruud for MLB- I'd give Meco and Ruud a push....

I don't know...Ruud has to get the edge only because the MLB is the QB of the Cover 2 defense. We know whose defense is ranked higher so that gives him a minor edge. If we switched them out, I'd give Ryans the edge for the same reason.

Brandon420tx
12-07-2007, 03:37 PM
Heres my take
QB - Bucs
RB - Bucs
FB - Push (Leach brings power)
WR - Texans
TE - Push (Daniels is good when the QB doesn't lead him into 3-way collisions)
OT - Bucs
OG - Bucs
C - Bucs (Your Center can't be worse then Flanagan)

DE - Bucs (Only because Mario can't play both positions)
DT - Bucs (Travis Johnson is coming into his own, but Okoye looks tired.)
OLB - Bucs
MLB - Push (Have you ever heard of Demeco Ryans?)
CB - Bucs
FS - Bucs x2
SS - Bucs x2

K - Texans (Kris Brown has leg)
P - Bucs (I don't know your punter)

Head Coach - Bucs
Offensive Assistants - Bucs
Defensive Coordinator - Bucs x50
Defensive Assistants - Bucs

Brandon420tx
12-07-2007, 03:40 PM
I don't know...Ruud has to get the edge only because the MLB is the QB of the Cover 2 defense. We know whose defense is ranked higher so that gives him a minor edge. If we switched them out, I'd give Ryans the edge for the same reason.

You've already said you have had a good scheme and good young players around Ruud, Demeco has had to carry our entire defense with the weak scheme we run here. The only people to help him out from time to time on our defense are Mario, Travis Johnson, Fred Bennett, and Will Demps. Dunta Robinson is injured, and Danny Clark helps against the run but is slow.

Basically Demeco has had to do more with less.

crunkbuc4d1
12-07-2007, 03:54 PM
You've already said you have had a good scheme and good young players around Ruud, Demeco has had to carry our entire defense with the weak scheme we run here. The only people to help him out from time to time on our defense are Mario, Travis Johnson, Fred Bennett, and Will Demps. Dunta Robinson is injured, and Danny Clark helps against the run but is slow.

Basically Demeco has had to do more with less.

I agree, but it's like with the MVP award..you give it to the QB with the better record. Ruud is our QB on defense.

austintexanite
12-07-2007, 03:57 PM
I'd give the push to the TE, and I'd take our MLB over Rudd. I think both Demeco and Rudd are great players, but Rudd has had veteran leadership (Brooks, Barber, and the Great Kiffin) to help him understand the scheme, whereas Demeco has been left alone. Oddly as it is, I would give the edge to our kicker this year. He has been great this year (I bet I jinxed him for Sunday.)

Black Spot
12-07-2007, 04:15 PM
I agree, but it's like with the MVP award..you give it to the QB with the better record. Ruud is our QB on defense.

Crunk, you know your not going to win this one bud. They only have a few things to be proud of and Ryans is the biggest.


HOWEVER, Barret Ruud in a Cover 2 scheme is only 15 tackles behind Ryans who has to freelance to cover every hole on the field.

edge - Ruud.

Texan_Bill
12-07-2007, 04:23 PM
Crunk, you know your not going to win this one bud. They only have a few things to be proud of and Ryans is the biggest.


HOWEVER, Barret Ruud in a Cover 2 scheme is only 15 tackles behind Ryans who has to freelance to cover every hole on the field.

edge - Ruud.

You left out:
Solo Tackles: Ryans 89 - Ruud 67
Sacks: Ryans 2 - Ruud 0
Passes defended: Ryans 5 - Ruud 2

Although, I will admit Ruud leads in INT's 2-1

Brandon420tx
12-07-2007, 04:26 PM
You left out:
Solo Tackles: Ryans 89 - Ruud 67
Sacks: Ryans 2 - Ruud 0
Passes defended: Ryans 5 - Ruud 2

Although, I will admit Ruud leads in INT's 2-1

What about fumbles and TDs?

Texan_Bill
12-07-2007, 04:31 PM
What about fumbles and TDs?

According to NFL.com they don't list TD's from fumbles (only INT's) and Ruud leads in Forced Fumbles 3-1

TEXANS84
12-07-2007, 04:39 PM
edge - Ruud.

Who?

Brandon420tx
12-07-2007, 05:00 PM
Barret Ruud, he's been having a very good year for the Bucs. (I knew that before all the tampa fans came)

Post 1500!

PBuc
12-07-2007, 05:11 PM
There is no doubt that position by position the bucs would seem to have an advantage. The have had an uncanny ability to play poorly in some games on the road.. They statistically beat the crap out of detroit and managed to lose. I look for a close game.

crunkbuc4d1
12-07-2007, 05:16 PM
There is no doubt that position by position the bucs would seem to have an advantage. The have had an uncanny ability to play poorly in some games on the road.. They statistically beat the crap out of detroit and managed to lose. I look for a close game.


You are a brave soul to coome here with that name.

austintexanite
12-07-2007, 05:17 PM
You are a brave soul to coome here with that name.

What do you mean???








:sarcasm:

Texan_Bill
12-07-2007, 05:20 PM
There is no doubt that position by position the bucs would seem to have an advantage. The have had an uncanny ability to play poorly in some games on the road.. They statistically beat the crap out of detroit and managed to lose. I look for a close game.

Sorry P-Burnt. I addressed this on the first page with my very 'unbiased' analysis:

QB - TEXANS
RB - TEXANS
FB - TEXANS
WR - TEXANS
TE -TEXANS
OT - TEXANS
OG - TEXANS
C - TEXANS


DE - TEXANS
DT -TEXANS
OLB - TEXANS
MLB - TEXANS
CB - TEXANS
FS - TEXANS
SS - TEXANS


K - TEXANS
P - TEXANS


Head Coach - TEXANS
Offensive Assistants - TEXANS
Defensive Coordinator - Got us there
Defensive Assistants - TEXANS


Record (8-4) - Bucs.... Caveat, its in the Nancy Football Conference
GM - TEXANS

Owner - TEXANS



Stadium - RELIANT
City/Area - H-TOWN -

MightyTExan
12-07-2007, 05:21 PM
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/4807/jacksonpopcornqf7.gif

Brandon420tx
12-07-2007, 05:30 PM
Cuz this is THRILLER!!

AnthonyE
12-07-2007, 05:36 PM
Yea sorry, I was being a smartass when I wrote those.

Reliant as well as Ray Jay are both premium NFL stadiums and both will hold a number of Super Bowls in thier time.

Btw, we have next year's SB and I believe Reliant does in '11, sadly after Miami somehow get's another two.

TB will have 10x more SBs than Houston.

It's Florida... It's a sin not to have a superbowl in any other state. ;)

Sooner or later I'll visit ya'lls stadium and have a looksee.

spent
12-07-2007, 05:56 PM
it truly is an experience...gorgeous, too!!

Second Honeymoon
12-07-2007, 07:41 PM
Coaching = Bucs
Defense = Bucs
Offense = Draw
Owner = Bucs (the dude owns ManU which is sick and brought Lombardi to Tampa)
Stadium = Draw (the pirate ship is an NFL icon but Reliant is beautiful and tasteful)
Fans = Texans, as if there was any doubt....

both teams are building through the draft and looking to better times in the future...bucs could make noise this year.

i am no cowboys hater, actually grew up loving Cowboys and Oilers but I think any team that gets to play Divisional Playoff game in Dallas has a good chance to upset the Cowboys. especially a team like the Bucs. Romo is going to choke. No doubt. I think the team who plays in Dallas in the Divisional week has a good shot at getting it done. That thing in Dallas is a powderkeg just ready to explode. Everything is all peach now but that could change in a hurry.

bucslover
12-07-2007, 07:44 PM
GOOD luck Buc fans, on any other Sunday!!:) You do have the cutest coach in the NFL, that's for sure!!:heart:



Yes, we do..:) You guys have some cuties! on the Texans... we have Barrett Ruud and a few others..

But I'm with you, we do have the hottest coach...:toast2:



Gruden is way more cuter than Kubiak,

crunkbuc4d1
12-07-2007, 08:04 PM
Ok...how did we go from comparing who has the better roster to who has the cutest coach??? :pirate:

Texans_Chick
12-07-2007, 09:09 PM
Ok...how did we go from comparing who has the better roster to who has the cutest coach??? :pirate:

Hmmmm...

http://blog.kir.com/archives/images/Kubiak%20092307.jpg

http://blogs.msg.com/gameon/images/2007/07/12/grudenchucky_2.jpg

I guess it depends on your taste. :cool: It will be an interesting coaching matchup because they know each other so well from the Denver-Oakland days.



If games were played on paper, position by position, known players versus known players, the Texans would win zero games.

If you look to common recent opponents, despite putting up a ton of yards, the Bucs required the Saints to pull a Reggie to win their game against them.

The Texans beat the Saints by 13. Even after turning the ball over twice. The first game that Andre Johnson was back.

Generally speaking the Texans are a much better team at home than on the road, which is common for young, inexperienced teams. It can get really really loud in Reliant, because the stadium is so vertical and all the seats are fairly close to the field.

The Texans have had their problems, but if they can reduce the gift turnovers, they can move the ball.

Just saying. :texflag:

kiwitexansfan
12-07-2007, 09:18 PM
Record (8-4) - Bucs.... Caveat, its in the Nancy Football Conference
GM - TEXANS

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Playing in the NFC, especially in this years NFC South makes this record pretty easy to achieve.

Play the Panthers, Saints and Falcons six times a years and you have at least 5 wins right there.

How many wins would you have playing the likes of the Colts, Jags and Titans twice a year.

Admittedly you don't pick your division, but some are FAR easier than others.

Mr PC
12-07-2007, 09:27 PM
I couldn't help it...so here goes.

QB - Bucs
RB - Bucs
FB - Bucs
WR - Push
TE - Bucs
OT - Bucs
OG - Bucs
C - Bucs

DE - Bucs
DT - Bucs
OLB - Bucs
MLB - Bucs
CB - Bucs
FS - Bucs
SS - Bucs

K - Bucs
P - Bucs

Head Coach - Bucs
Offensive Assistants - Bucs
Defensive Coordinator - Bucs
Defensive Assistants - Bucs

Record (8-4) - Bucs

GM - Bucs
Owner - Bucs

Stadium - Bucs
City/Area - Bucs

hahahahahahaha. ha.

QB: push
RB: Bucs
FB: push
WR: Texans
TE: push
OL: Bucs

DE: Texans
DT: Texans
MLB: Texans Texans
OLB: push
CB: Bucs (since Dunta is injured)
S: Bucs

The Bucs are super overrated if you judge based on the win/loss record. The only reason yall won last Sunday is because the Saints gift wrapped it for ya. Tampa Bay is no better than Houston. Id say this game is a toss up. Galloway will probably burn us at least once, if Garcia is healthy he will be a concern also. The rookie runningback looked pretty good last week, but then again it was against the Saints run defense.

ps Gruden is a bad coach. Most unfortunate for you guys that your record probably saved his job.

kiwitexansfan
12-07-2007, 09:32 PM
hahahahahahaha. ha.

QB: push
RB: Bucs
FB: push
WR: Texans
TE: push
OL: Bucs

DE: Texans
DT: Texans
MLB: Texans Texans
OLB: push
CB: Bucs (since Dunta is injured)
S: Bucs

The Bucs are super overrated if you judge based on the win/loss record. The only reason yall won last Sunday is because the Saints gift wrapped it for ya. Tampa Bay is no better than Houston. Id say this game is a toss up. Galloway will probably burn us at least once, if Garcia is healthy he will be a concern also. The rookie runningback looked pretty good last week, but then again it was against the Saints run defense.

ps Gruden is a bad coach. Most unfortunate for you guys that your record probably saved his job.

Mr PC, there is no way our defensive front seven is better than the Buc's.

Mr PC
12-07-2007, 09:39 PM
Mr PC, there is no way our defensive front seven is better than the Buc's.

I was probably exaggerating when I said OLB was a push. Even though he is aging and lost a step D. Brooks is still a great player. Other than that I think our front 7 is definitely comparable to Tampa Bay in terms of personel. Mario, Johnson, Amobi, Meco, Clark are nasty. The defensive coordinator and lack of safety support hurts the production of the front 7 for the Texans, but they are beastly.

kiwitexansfan
12-07-2007, 09:56 PM
Mario is emerging but he is not better by himself than the ends that the Bucs have.

TJ is a much improved player but doesn't make much of an impact really, Okoye has faded really badly and is just a pup.

Demeco is great, that is a given, but our OLB's are rubbish, just rubbish.

Mr PC
12-07-2007, 10:16 PM
Mario is emerging but he is not better by himself than the ends that the Bucs have.

TJ is a much improved player but doesn't make much of an impact really, Okoye has faded really badly and is just a pup.

Demeco is great, that is a given, but our OLB's are rubbish, just rubbish.

No sir, Danny Clark has played very well for this team. Greenwood is overpaid but he is not a liability out there, he is average. The Texans OLBs are of acceptable quality, you are underrating them considerably if you think they are rubbish.

kiwitexansfan
12-07-2007, 10:21 PM
My eyes tell me that Demeco makes so many tackles because the other LB's aren't around the ball.

Either Demeco is just that darn good, or the others just aren't up to it. Being 25th in rush defense seems to add to that conviction too.

HJam72
12-07-2007, 10:28 PM
Yeah, our OLBs are acceptable rubbish. Acceptable! :specnatz: :user:

Yessir!

Mr PC
12-07-2007, 10:33 PM
My eyes tell me that Demeco makes so many tackles because the other LB's aren't around the ball.

Either Demeco is just that darn good, or the others just aren't up to it. Being 25th in rush defense seems to add to that conviction too.

I think 25th in rush defense has to do with our safeties being out of position and giving up 50+ yard runs, that tends to inflate the stats. I wouldnt rate either one of our our OLB as anything less than average players. Ive seen Danny Clark make a bunch of big plays on defense, while Greenwood has looked decidedly average. Ryans is everywhere but thats not because the OLB suck its because he is just that good. I really hope the Texans resign Clark because he has made a positive impact on the field.

HJam72
12-07-2007, 10:38 PM
I think 25th in rush defense has to do with our safeties being out of position and giving up 50+ yard runs, that tends to inflate the stats. I wouldnt rate either one of our our OLB as anything less than average players. Ive seen Danny Clark make a bunch of big plays on defense, while Greenwood has looked decidedly average. Ryans is everywhere but thats not because the OLB suck its because he is just that good. I really hope the Texans resign Clark because he has made a positive impact on the field.

Actually, I'm glad to hear you say that, because I do get most of my information from this website and sometimes I think there's too many of US repeating each other.

Don't think I won't be an expert again next time I post though. :shades:

PapaL
12-07-2007, 10:56 PM
You guys can keep Ricky, I mean Barrett Rudd (Ruud)- We'll happily keep DeMeco.

I do like the pirate ship - reminds of when I was 5 years old and wanted to be a pirate when I grew up.

Texans_Chick
12-08-2007, 03:15 PM
I think 25th in rush defense has to do with our safeties being out of position and giving up 50+ yard runs, that tends to inflate the stats. I wouldnt rate either one of our our OLB as anything less than average players. Ive seen Danny Clark make a bunch of big plays on defense, while Greenwood has looked decidedly average. Ryans is everywhere but thats not because the OLB suck its because he is just that good. I really hope the Texans resign Clark because he has made a positive impact on the field.

It can't help that the offense has been careless with the ball.

The more times you are on the field, the more likely the defensive stats will suffer. You get behind in games, and then teams will run on you.*














*That being said, defense needs more starting bodies and a new coodinator.

alphajoker
12-08-2007, 04:30 PM
Playing in the NFC, especially in this years NFC South makes this record pretty easy to achieve.

Play the Panthers, Saints and Falcons six times a years and you have at least 5 wins right there.

How many wins would you have playing the likes of the Colts, Jags and Titans twice a year.

Admittedly you don't pick your division, but some are FAR easier than others.

I couldn't agree with you more, kiwi. We play in the toughest division in all of the NFL, and I don't say that just because I'm a Texans fan. At 5-7, the Texans would be in 2nd place in the NFC South.

imatexan
12-08-2007, 04:32 PM
Ya the Bucs might be better but who knows we will see tomorrow what happends. I like the Bucs fans and Tampa seems like a nice city but it is full of old people and not that exciting.

Wolf
12-08-2007, 04:35 PM
if the Bucs taught P-burnt how to tackle I'll give the edge to TB
:pirate:

buddyboy
12-09-2007, 04:56 AM
Given the talent level in the NFL, I think it's very hard to come across a team who can have the edge, or "push" in EVERY single catagory. What a blatantly biased list.

Maddict5
12-09-2007, 06:47 AM
here how i see it:

QB: push (garcia/schaub)
RB: Bucs
FB: Texans
WR: Texans
TE: push
OL: Bucs

DE: Texans
DT: Push
MLB: Texans
OLB: Bucs
CB: Bucs
S: Bucs


and i see TB as a good but overrated team also because of the nfc south.. for thew first time in a few weeks, im expecting a win today