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DominatorDavis
12-05-2007, 11:53 AM
I know that the season is still ongoing with 4 games left but man...I just get sad everytime I see us end a game. I hate loosing. I hate even more watching a team that started the season with so much passion and hope, just melt before my eyes. We are better than 5-7 and should be 8-4 right now and looking at the playoffs. I feel the frustration like no other.

Having said that - these injuries are destroying our team and have all but ruined our season. Turnovers are killing us. We're a talented team...we just hand the ball to the opposing team too much. I know that this has been said elsewhere but it makes you believe things about this team which are not true. Like that they are worthy of a 5-7 record etc etc... GRR

1) We need a starting left tackle. Someone anyone.

2) We need a fast, consistent runningback, who does not fumble.

3) We need a corner, a strong safety, and a free safety

Were getting slaughtered out there.

Dominator

gtexan02
12-05-2007, 12:36 PM
Ironically, this post could have been from 2002, 03, 04, 05, etc :)

badboy
12-05-2007, 01:00 PM
I know that the season is still ongoing with 4 games left but man...I just get sad everytime I see us end a game. I hate loosing. I hate even more watching a team that started the season with so much passion and hope, just melt before my eyes. We are better than 5-7 and should be 8-4 right now and looking at the playoffs. I feel the frustration like no other.

Having said that - these injuries are destroying our team and have all but ruined our season. Turnovers are killing us. We're a talented team...we just hand the ball to the opposing team too much. I know that this has been said elsewhere but it makes you believe things about this team which are not true. Like that they are worthy of a 5-7 record etc etc... GRR

1) We need a starting left tackle. Someone anyone.

2) We need a fast, consistent runningback, who does not fumble.

3) We need a corner, a strong safety, and a free safety

Were getting slaughtered out there.

Dominator

Points made and discussed on other threads. You are on target.

1. We should have access to a good left tackle in first round.
A. Sam Baker 6'4" 310 USC agile LT has been sound technician 3 years.
B. Ryan Clady 6'5" 320 Boise State Mobile Jr. tackle. Dominant blocker
C. Michael Oher 6'5" 325 Mississippi Agile with good tools
D. Alex Boone 6'7" 325 Ohio St. best LT since Orlando Pace (I think I saw that Dallas is interested).
E. Gosder Chrilus 6'6" 320 Boston more of a project
2. First the facts. Dayne has looked pretty good last four games despite what has happened around him. Eche was a one game flash. Green still has one more high dollar season ($3-5 million) & I'd be surprised if he is cut. If we end up with a top 15 pick, it is possible we could trade down and get a 2nd or high 3rd. We can get a good LT lower in first and imo draft a RB in 2nd. A free agent pick up is possible but not a significant one.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft.html

3.A Strong Safety will not be addressed in draft. CC Brown, Brandon Harrison and Glenn Earl, Boulaware and Brandon Mitchell will compete.
B. Corner Bennett, Hutchins, Jason Simmons, Faggins, DR (if he can return), Fletcher and Free Agent signee Asante Samuel (in my dream) will compete.
C. Free safety is the position that puzzles me. On the Draft Insiders' Digest dated Nov 9th only one FS is in top 100 and Kenny Phillips will probably not be there when we select. I do not think Kubes will draft a FS until 3rd at earliest.

If we lose remaining games, like it or not that is a strong possibility, things could break right for us in off season. At least better than the breaks during the season (injury report).

Spike
12-05-2007, 01:47 PM
1) We need a starting left tackle. Someone anyone.
Agreed. With as many holes as we have on this team, I still think LT has to be the priority in the offseason. If Spencer can come back healthy, then we have the added bonus of having quality depth, but by that time, the guy wouldn't have played football for two years, so you can't count on him coming back.

2) ADDITION - Center.
IMO, there has been a huge drop-off from McKinney to Flannagan...and I thought the same last year. As much as I would like to see it, I don't know that a 10 year vet comes back from this sort of knee injury.

We seem to have a lot more options at guard. Pitts and Weary are not all-stars, but they have been pretty solid. I think Studdard is a good young talent (I am a UT guy) and would not be surprised for him to get enough out of the experience he gets in the next four games to really push for playing time next year. Per the Chron, it looks like Frye has been moved to guard as well and I think there is a possibility that a healthy, less mobile, Spencer gets moved inside when he comes back.

You seem to see a lot of OL have the ability to play a center/ guard combo - McKinney and Chris White fit this description. I had heard good things about Chris White, but the fact that he hasn't taken over for Flannagan on a more consistent basis isn't a real vote of confidence for his play at center. Unless we think that we can successfully make this move with one of the current players, I think we have to find an upgrade.

3) We need a fast, consistent runningback, who does not fumble.
Agreed. Taylor's injury really hurts here, as he was looking like the guy that could have filled this role and you can't count on him making that kind of push coming off a serious knee injury. This is my second area to fill - after BOTH of the OL positions are addressed.

4) We need a corner, a strong safety, and a free safety.
I think we need to address either free safety OR corner, but think we have some guys that were injured this year and some young guys that can step up and fill the other holes.

What are the chances that we can go out this off-season and upgrade each one of these four spots? You have to expect your first round pick to step in day one and start and I think that we can find a player in the third round that could come in and compete for playing time at any one of these spots - heck, two years ago we started two 3rd round rookies on the line. Maybe this year we forego the "potential" pick in the third (like we got with Jacoby) and get someone with less upside, but who can step in day one. If we could choose wisely in the draft, that would leave addressing two of these needs in free agency. Is $30M enough to get this done?

Silver Oak
12-05-2007, 02:03 PM
DC was but part of this mess. Piss poor QB in conjunction with a less than ideal line is a very bad combination.

While glancing through the game day guide at the last game, there was a small article that broke down position draft choices. The OL was the leader of draft picks made, but obviously bad luck and poor choices have been the dominating constant theme on previous drafts.

IMO, we need to pay special attention to the OL this draft...even at the expense of a high RB or CB.

Tailgate
12-05-2007, 02:08 PM
Ironically, this post could have been from 2002, 03, 04, 05, etc :)

At least now we don't have WR, TE, and QB(imo) still in the equation. Baby steps.

Spike
12-05-2007, 02:22 PM
At least now we don't have WR, TE, and QB(imo) still in the equation. Baby steps.

Agreed.

eriadoc
12-05-2007, 02:24 PM
At least now we don't have WR, TE, and QB(imo) still in the equation. Baby steps.

Really poor baby steps, IMO. The team would have been better served to address the OL first, before worrying about skill positions. You can get by with less than premium talent at skill positions, if you have a good O-line. Teams have proven it throughout the years. Great offensive players cannot overcome the lack of a real offensive line on a consistent and broad enough basis to put together a winning team. How many years of AJ's career will have been wasted by the time this team puts together a quality O-line? Schaub's?

Tailgate
12-05-2007, 02:36 PM
Really poor baby steps, IMO. The team would have been better served to address the OL first, before worrying about skill positions. You can get by with less than premium talent at skill positions, if you have a good O-line. Teams have proven it throughout the years. Great offensive players cannot overcome the lack of a real offensive line on a consistent and broad enough basis to put together a winning team. How many years of AJ's career will have been wasted by the time this team puts together a quality O-line? Schaub's?

I understand what you are saying. But with a healthy Spencer and Mckinney..... I think our offensive line would have been very adequate this year. Injuries have to be considered in this discussion. I mean season enders to both and possibly a career ender to Spencer? There is no crystal ball for that. Not saying injuries are not apart of the game. But the plan was to have both as starters this year. Its only Kubiaks second year... and we keep losing more than we can acquire. Weary the latest.

The1ApplePie
12-05-2007, 02:48 PM
Somehow I don't see the Texans going anything but RB in the first round, especially if the team goes winless for the rest of the year.

I think Bob will be looking for a "Sexy" pick, and fat guys that block don't sell merch or tickets (even if they should)

RDillon
12-05-2007, 02:49 PM
Mr McNair is at a crossroad. Get substandard players and keep the salary's down. Or try and make this team reach .500. Mr Carr was not a great quarterback but so isn't the current one. The error I see in Matt Schaub is he hangs up on his mistakes. I think he is so afraid of goofing it effects his judgment on field. It does not take a great quarterback to make a winning team.
Look at the 1985 Chicago Bear. Jim McMahon was not a great quarterback. You had though several key guys William Perry, Walter Payton, namely. If we are to win ballgames we need to go for the best.

scout.com
I found this it sheds light on the entire college football scene. Yes we may draft a no name and he will surprise the whole NFL. If Mr McNair continues to keep the course salarys and profit will suffer. Lets not be another Detroit.

TexanAddict
12-05-2007, 03:08 PM
The Texans are currently on pace to give up only 24 sacks this season, by far the fewest of any season since our inception. The current ranking for sacks allowed:

NO 11
CIN 16
CLE 16
DAL 16
NE 16
SD 16
ARI 17
GB 17
IND 17
HOU 18

Not saying there isn't more room for improvement, but it's not like the OL has been a total sieve as in years past. I personally think we have to get a young upgrade at center during this offseason, and if there is a LT available in the draft that is far better than the DBs and RBs available, then by all means, grab him. Just saying that the OL isn't looking as bad as it has in the past.

dtran04
12-05-2007, 03:20 PM
I wish there was a way of evaluating O-Lines besides sack numbers. For instance, just because a QB gets rid of the ball doesn't mean that the lineman did not get abused on that particular play. I guess it would be way too difficult to track such things though.

threetoedpete
12-05-2007, 03:48 PM
DC was but part of this mess. Piss poor QB in conjunction with a less than ideal line is a very bad combination.

While glancing through the game day guide at the last game, there was a small article that broke down position draft choices. The OL was the leader of draft picks made, but obviously bad luck and poor choices have been the dominating constant theme on previous drafts.

IMO, we need to pay special attention to the OL this draft...even at the expense of a high RB or CB.

Not just bad luck poor choices...it's a question of hitting one of the rare birds who are stiff enough to absorb the bull rush and at the same time be light enough on their feet to be like a balerina. You can patch a little inside. You can go with a guy who is a little less than perfect on the right side. But hitting a true OLT is prety hard. They are rare and that is why
when you hit one ...you pay the guy.

It's also why if you got a thirty something starting for you on the left side you make sure you got someone in the pipe line who is locked and loaded to begin his NFL career. And the Texans don't have that right now.

Yes we have 18 sacks right now and that is on pace to reach the thirty three we were promised at the begining of the season. Our new QB has taken some major hits. His fault, their fault, does it matter? Fact is they have 48 million and two twos invested in the guy. Just me, I don't wanna explian to Mr. McNair how the second guy he bought for us ends up just like the first guy he bought for us. Know what I mean ?

Rex King
12-05-2007, 05:19 PM
Ironically, this post could have been from 2002, 03, 04, 05, etc :)
Except we had a semi-fast, consistent running back who didn't fumble from 03-05.

I wish there was a way of evaluating O-Lines besides sack numbers. For instance, just because a QB gets rid of the ball doesn't mean that the lineman did not get abused on that particular play. I guess it would be way too difficult to track such things though.

I agree those sack numbers are a little bit deceptive. It's a heck of a lot better than the Keystone cops circus we had in 05, but compare the time Schaub and Rosenfels have had with the time Brady has to throw. It's not a 2-sack difference.

I do think a better rushing threat would help. They'd have to respect the play-action, from which we've gotten a lot of our big plays, a lot more.

maddogmrb
12-05-2007, 06:03 PM
The Texans are currently on pace to give up only 24 sacks this season, by far the fewest of any season since our inception. The current ranking for sacks allowed:

NO 11
CIN 16
CLE 16
DAL 16
NE 16
SD 16
ARI 17
GB 17
IND 17
HOU 18

Not saying there isn't more room for improvement, but it's not like the OL has been a total sieve as in years past. I personally think we have to get a young upgrade at center during this offseason, and if there is a LT available in the draft that is far better than the DBs and RBs available, then by all means, grab him. Just saying that the OL isn't looking as bad as it has in the past.

There is a big, if not huge, difference in our protection though versus other teams. When our QB's are "pressured" (which is on almost every pass play) they are physically being at least "touched" if not actually hit. When you watch our defense "pressure" other QB's it is because our guys our in the general vicinity of the QB. So, yes we are giving up fewer sacks but, our QB's are still getting alot of pressure. :texflag:

dickieb
12-05-2007, 07:57 PM
I don't think that we can afford to think that Weary, Spencer, or D-Rob will ever come back. They had some wicked injuries and it would be dumb to think that they will come back without losing some ability. Keep the door cracked for them but in our minds we need to move on.
I'm not sure how bad McKinney or White injuries were, but they aren't spectacular players anyways.

Runner
12-05-2007, 08:00 PM
I wish there was a way of evaluating O-Lines besides sack numbers. For instance, just because a QB gets rid of the ball doesn't mean that the lineman did not get abused on that particular play. I guess it would be way too difficult to track such things though.

Watching the games and seeing how many times/how much Schaub has to move around or hurry a throw might be a good start to get a feel for the truth. If Schaub is almost constantly on the move using his pocket presence to get the pass off, maybe the reduction of sacks is primarily on him.

It is simpler to just look at the stats and determine that the line is good in pass protection. :)

AnthonyE
12-05-2007, 10:18 PM
The Texans are currently on pace to give up only 24 sacks this season, by far the fewest of any season since our inception. The current ranking for sacks allowed:

NO 11
CIN 16
CLE 16
DAL 16
NE 16
SD 16
ARI 17
GB 17
IND 17
HOU 18

Not saying there isn't more room for improvement, but it's not like the OL has been a total sieve as in years past. I personally think we have to get a young upgrade at center during this offseason, and if there is a LT available in the draft that is far better than the DBs and RBs available, then by all means, grab him. Just saying that the OL isn't looking as bad as it has in the past.

Some pretty good teams on that list...

Ole Miss Texan
12-05-2007, 10:27 PM
Best way to look at Offensive Line performance by strictly #'s is by QB sacks, QB hurries, and QB hits. However that is only talking about passing situations. The OL has much ado about the running game too, so rushing yards can be deceptive.

Schaub has been a world of difference in getting the sack # down. However, he's getting hit just as much as carr did. The only difference is Carr took the sack where schaub throws it away. With Schaub throwing the ball, his release is causing him to be completely unprotected at the time he gets hit and that's why he's getting hurt. Of course you can probably add late hits and unsportsmanlike conduct to the reason as well.

Hurries and Hits tell a much clearer story to how the OL is actually performing, rather than sacks alone.

Ole Miss Texan
12-05-2007, 10:30 PM
In any case, we are now without 3 of our 5 "starting" Offensive Linemen. I say "starters" because while obviously McKinney and Weary were the best available options and actually pretty decent for us, Spencer is the big question mark. We only got to see him in what, 1.5 regular season games? That's not hardly enough time to crown him our franchise left tackle- but I do know we were all very excited at what we saw. He really needed to not get injured and have two years of experience under his belt...that was the most unfortunate injury we've had in a long time, imo.

joedinkle
12-05-2007, 10:30 PM
The Texans are currently on pace to give up only 24 sacks this season, by far the fewest of any season since our inception. The current ranking for sacks allowed:

NO 11
CIN 16
CLE 16
DAL 16
NE 16
SD 16
ARI 17
GB 17
IND 17
HOU 18

Not saying there isn't more room for improvement, but it's not like the OL has been a total sieve as in years past. I personally think we have to get a young upgrade at center during this offseason, and if there is a LT available in the draft that is far better than the DBs and RBs available, then by all means, grab him. Just saying that the OL isn't looking as bad as it has in the past.

There's more to the O-line than sacks allowed. QB hits. QB hurries. Opening up running lanes for the RB and being able to get to the second level to continue to block for the RB. PENALTIES!! That's a big one. Salaam is the false start king, and Eric Winston has been getting a little sloppy as of late as well. Yes, our O-line is not as bad as it was once thought, but it could still use some improvement. In a perfect world, we'd take a LT in the 1st and a Center in the 3rd. We can find help in the secondary through FA. We won't be able to help the O-line much through the secondary. Most lineman who are not franchised and are allowed to go elsewhere suck. See Jordan Black.

leebigeztx
12-06-2007, 02:56 AM
I think it was said that spencer could have actually come back this year, but after being put on the pup list, the team has 3 weeks to decide. There will be too many young qaulity back availible, the texans will not drfat a back. Trust me, i really like peterson, but taylor is avg 5 ypc also, so its more the line than the back. I think a former bronco like portis who might get cut could end up here. Also, Jones,Fragas,Lewis,Bell, and Turner are all 27ish and will be free agents. Why draft a guy when you can have a guy 26-27 who u know can play now and be effective? The robinson injury worries me a little, but the texans actually have some options. What about trading the 1st for Hall and move bennett to safety. Having Bennett at safety, along with Hall and Robinson at corner, now the team would have to play nickel when 3 wides are on the the field. I think another target if the Texans dont get Hall would be going after Sanders from indy. What better way to hurt Indy than to take away their best defensive player? I also think they should cut weaver and sign Suggs or alex Brown after he's cut. Weaver cant get any pressure from the other side and it hurts the team.

Ole Miss Texan
12-06-2007, 10:36 AM
I don't want to trade away any more first day pics for players. If anything I'd like us to trade down and get more draft picks and start building with solid players and then go after Skill positions after 2 more seasons. Either that, or just build our Offensive Line up with hot prospects the same as we're doing on the DL....then around the same time both Lines would be dominating.

painekiller
12-06-2007, 11:10 AM
Also, Jones,Fragas,Lewis,Bell, and Turner are all 27ish and will be free agents. Why draft a guy when you can have a guy 26-27 who u know can play now and be effective?

Why pay a guy huge money who has high mileage, has been hurt alot, is one drug test from being suspended for 4 games to a year. OK Turner is none of those things, but I do not like paying the RB huge money, the shelf life is short on these guys.

There is a reason the NFL has trended away from taking RB with top 10 picks, a very big reason. Ask the Raiders if they got their moneys worth for LaMont Jordan. I doubt they say yes. And look who is starting for them, Fargus, a 4th rounder.

TexanAddict
12-06-2007, 11:28 AM
Yes, we all know that there is more to grading OL play than sacks alone. However, most people here see a sack or pressure on the QB and then immediately begin to scream, "Are we ever going to get a real LT?!?!" The problem is that these people aren't seeing that the pressure isn't always coming from the left side. Taking the Titans game, on the two plays that took Schaub out of the game, Vanden Bosch hit Schaub coming up the middle and Odom came from the right. I am NOT saying that LT could not be upgraded, but the weakest position on our OL is C more than LT. I believe an upgrade at center would go a long way to both improving the pressure up the middle in passing situations and opening holes for our running game. Especially considering (according to Football Outsiders (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol.php)) more than half our runs are up the middle or off guard. I do believe that the sacks and hits are down in a large part due to our QB play.

To summarize, I would like to see upgrades along the OL this offseason, but these must be achieved while also considering the other holes on our team, specifically RB and DB. If the best RB or DB available when we select in the 1st would be a greater improvement to the team than the best OL available, then I don't think the OL should be selected simply to say we took a OL in the first. That would have been like taking Joe Staley at #10 last year (like several folks wanted us to) when better players were available that could also fill major needs. And Staley hasn't exactly been worth the 1st SF traded to NE to get him.

PapaL
12-06-2007, 11:33 AM
Why pay a guy huge money who has high mileage, has been hurt alot, is one drug test from being suspended for 4 games to a year. OK Turner is none of those things, but I do not like paying the RB huge money, the shelf life is short on these guys.

There is a reason the NFL has trended away from taking RB with top 10 picks, a very big reason. Ask the Raiders if they got their moneys worth for LaMont Jordan. I doubt they say yes. And look who is starting for them, Fargus, a 4th rounder.

Well considering that LaMont Jordan was a 2nd Round pick for the J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS. I'm sure the Raiders are ok with it. He signed a five-year deal worth $27.5 million at the age of 27. Or roughly 3 years younger and close to the same money we're paying Ahman.

Texans Horror
12-06-2007, 01:15 PM
Could this be the year they take a left tackle? Free Agency will tell us. If they free-agent a running back and a billy badass for the defensive secondary (i.e., answer their biggest needs in free agency the way they normally do), then left tackle could be the position they take in the draft.

gtexan02
12-06-2007, 01:28 PM
We need to address the OL like we've done with the DL over the past few years. Lots of high picks until we get it right

hollywood_texan
12-06-2007, 01:39 PM
Having said that - these injuries are destroying our team and have all but ruined our season.

I really don't see how the injuries have destroyed the season. Most of the guys thave been injured/missed games or out of the season probably would have a tough time getting job somewhere else.

The AJ injury was big hit, but he hasn't done that much since he has been back (I am not saying it is his fault). Dunta's injury is also big hit. Chris Taylor, that is an unknown.

All the other guys, to some extent those injuries are irrelevant because those guys are not quality talent in the NFL.

In addition, the Texan victories at the beginning of the season came against very weak teams. I know KC turned it on for a few weeks, but that first week, they were horrible.

Bottom line is, the Texans lack players. If AJ and Dunta played the entire 2007 year, my estimation is the Texans would probably be a .500 team at best. Meaning they would have probably have beaten the Falcons or Titans at home earlier in the season, but that is it.

Which means, I wouldn't give the Texans organization a "get of jail free card" due to the injuries because most of those players probably wouldn't have made an impact on a winning season anyway.

infantrycak
12-06-2007, 02:05 PM
I really don't see how the injuries have destroyed the season. Most of the guys thave been injured/missed games or out of the season probably would have a tough time getting job somewhere else.

Can't agree with that as a fair statement--Schaub, AJ, Dunta certainly would be starting somewhere else. Weary, Mckinney, Green and Mathis would likely have starting jobs elsewhere. Putting that aside on who particularly would be starting you are missing an important point--it doesn't matter if Mckinney wouldn't have a starting job on another team if there is still a drop off when he goes down. That affects a team. Going from a 5 to a 1 on a ten scale is a loss just like going from a 10 to a 5.

The AJ injury was big hit, but he hasn't done that much since he has been back (I am not saying it is his fault).

So 91 yards per game and 2 TD's in 3 games is not doing much? Funny, there are only 5 WR's with a higher ypg average than that and 6 averaging more TD's per game. What you meant to say was he had one pour outing this year against Cleveland--other than that he has been phenomenal this year.

Spike
12-06-2007, 02:59 PM
Can't agree with that as a fair statement--Schaub, AJ, Dunta certainly would be starting somewhere else. Weary, Mckinney, Green and Mathis would likely have starting jobs elsewhere. Putting that aside on who particularly would be starting you are missing an important point--it doesn't matter if Mckinney wouldn't have a starting job on another team if there is still a drop off when he goes down. That affects a team. Going from a 5 to a 1 on a ten scale is a loss just like going from a 10 to a 5.



So 91 yards per game and 2 TD's in 3 games is not doing much? Funny, there are only 5 WR's with a higher ypg average than that and 6 averaging more TD's per game. What you meant to say was he had one pour outing this year against Cleveland--other than that he has been phenomenal this year.

You stole my thunder on both points. First, we have certainly lost players that would either start - or play quality minutes for other teams. Secondly, and more importantly, an injury to a starter who is replaced by a guy who couldn't beat him out, is a downgrade.

I have to believe our offense is better if we have McKinney, Spencer, Schaub, Green and AJ on the field for the majority of a season vs Flannagan, Salaam, Sage, Dayne and Andre Davis. With the exception of the QB position, we have seen more of the replacements than the starters. We are not talking about one or two players, you are talking about almost half of the starters on offense who have been injured for a good part of the season.

Same on defense - I believe we have a much more solid backfield with Dunta, Earl, CC Brown and Bennett vs. Faggins/ Von Hutchins, Demps, Brown and Bennett.

You can argue a lot about personnell decisions and coaching moves this season, but there is no denying the toll injuries have had on this team. If we win just one game we've lost, we'd be .500 team. Even if we had half of the injuries we have had, this team could be just as well 7-5, than 5-7...if not better. Just my opinion.

hollywood_texan
12-06-2007, 03:08 PM
Can't agree with that as a fair statement--Schaub, AJ, Dunta certainly would be starting somewhere else. Weary, Mckinney, Green and Mathis would likely have starting jobs elsewhere. Putting that aside on who particularly would be starting you are missing an important point--it doesn't matter if Mckinney wouldn't have a starting job on another team if there is still a drop off when he goes down. That affects a team. Going from a 5 to a 1 on a ten scale is a loss just like going from a 10 to a 5.

So 91 yards per game and 2 TD's in 3 games is not doing much? Funny, there are only 5 WR's with a higher ypg average than that and 6 averaging more TD's per game. What you meant to say was he had one pour outing this year against Cleveland--other than that he has been phenomenal this year.

My point was improving the win column without any injuries.

AJ has been back for 3 straight games and the Texans are 1-3. At this point, I am not really concerned about stats.

As for Schaub, I don't know if him playing over Rosenfels really gives the Texans a better chance for victory.

As for Weary and McKinney, maybe they could start somewhere and I overstated that a bit. But I was attempting to demonstrate something that you didn't get from my post.

I will restate what I posted earlier that you removed when responding my post, which was the bigger point I was making and that is:


I wouldn't give the Texans organization a "get of jail free card" due to the injuries because most of those players probably wouldn't have made an impact on a winning season anyway.

I just don't see that if these injuries hadn't happened to such the degree that they did, the Texans would be contending for a playoff spot at this time. Maybe the Texans would have 1 more victory this season, but that is it.

What you meant to say was he had one pour outing this year against Cleveland--other than that he has been phenomenal this year.
AJ is having a great year. The Cleveland game was Kubiak's fault regarding AJ's performance though. Poor gameplan and play calling.

hollywood_texan
12-06-2007, 03:18 PM
Even if we had half of the injuries we have had, this team could be just as well 7-5, than 5-7...if not better. Just my opinion.

What games are you referring to?

Probably Atlanta and Tennesse at home.

I would give them one of those game without the big injury bug.

Sitting at 6-6 going into a tough 4 game stretch against playoff contenders.

infantrycak
12-06-2007, 04:02 PM
I just don't see that if these injuries hadn't happened to such the degree that they did, the Texans would be contending for a playoff spot at this time. Maybe the Texans would have 1 more victory this season, but that is it.

I just don't see how you can be so conclusive that it would be 1 more victory at most. 1-3 plays can totally reverse a game. AJ not fumbling a ball Davis does, Green getting the 4th down and 1 Dayne missed and chewing up the clock, etc. I can't predict it would be 2-3 more wins any more than you can say it would only be 1. We can say with a certainty though that they would have been better--quantifying how much just isn't possible.

hollywood_texan
12-06-2007, 04:26 PM
I just don't see how you can be so conclusive that it would be 1 more victory at most. 1-3 plays can totally reverse a game. AJ not fumbling a ball Davis does, Green getting the 4th down and 1 Dayne missed and chewing up the clock, etc. I can't predict it would be 2-3 more wins any more than you can say it would only be 1. We can say with a certainty though that they would have been better--quantifying how much just isn't possible.

Very objective critique. Yeah, I am definitely eye balling things here and totally see your perspective.

More or less, I am really trying to show a different perspective than, "geezzz, if we wouldn't haven't had all those injuries."

After watching 5 1/2 seasons of Texans football, I am really skeptical the Texans would really be that much better in the win column this year without the injuries.

This year, like many others, the Texans don't seem to have a quality win, other times don't show up for some games, or just pack it in at some point.

That seems to be an issue regardless of injuries.

Thorn
12-06-2007, 06:03 PM
This year, like many others, the Texans don't seem to have a quality win, other times don't show up for some games, or just pack it in at some point.

That seems to be an issue regardless of injuries.

They always seem to start the game good, then run out of gas.