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TheBeastIsBest
05-21-2004, 08:33 AM
DD said he can rush for 2000 yards this season. He agrees it is a lofty goal. He said if he doesn't make it, he will be close. What do you think?

cap1
05-21-2004, 08:36 AM
It is good that he sets his goals high. He also knows he probably won't get that, so he says he will be close. As long as he has more than 1400 yards he is almost guaranteed a hefty contract.

TERROR DOME
05-21-2004, 08:36 AM
I,m thinking some where along the lines of 1500-1700 only because we are not sure how long it will take our o line to pick up the new blocking scheme

V Man
05-21-2004, 08:47 AM
The amount of yards he gets is how well he stays healthy. If he stays I can see him pushing 1700+ yards, if he has the little nagging injuries like last year, 1200+ yards. :bag:

Beastlyman2003
05-21-2004, 09:29 AM
Domanick is a bigtime playmaker and if he set his goal that high, i think he knows he can do it. Contrary to CAP1's statment,"He also knows he probably won't get that." thats probably untrue. I think with a lot of help from his offensive line and some help from Moran Norris, he could do it. Especially now that the texans are introducing that new offensive line blocking scheme. From what i hear, its similar to the blocking schemes of the Denver Broncos that was designed to get blockers into the secondary to spring the back for large gains. if he could do what he did last year, with this type of rush offense designed for him, hes gonna wreck!

edo783
05-21-2004, 09:41 AM
1400-1600 if healthy for 16 games.

TheOgre
05-21-2004, 10:13 AM
I think it depends also on how much they use Hollings. If Hollings is back to his old speed we may see him in on 10-15 plays a game. That will definitely cut into D.D.'s stats. I expect D.D. to get around 1200-1400 yards.

KingRat
05-21-2004, 10:17 AM
For a rookie, he sure shredded some pretty good defenses last year, there is no doubt that he can be one of the top 5 RBs in the NFL. Capers was talking about much of last year's team being rookies, and guys playing double the season that they did in school, the end of the year takes it's toll.
So with, more time and conditioning under their belts, improvement is inevitable.
As far as injuries, with experience and training players learn how to keep from getting hurt,
hopefully that's the case with 37DoubleD.

:coolb:

J-Man
05-21-2004, 10:30 AM
1400yrds rushing and 400yrds receiving...20 all-pupose TDs

Lucky
05-21-2004, 11:00 AM
2000 yards on the ground? That would take over 400 carries by DD - not going to happen.

2000 yards combined rushing & receiving? It's possible, though I expect Hollings to get some of that action. I'm thinking DD gets about 275 carries for about 1250 yards with Hollings getting maybe 120 carries for about 600 yards. Not quite 2000 between them, but still formidable.

SBTexans08
05-21-2004, 11:20 AM
I say he gets over 1500....very achievable!

Blake
05-21-2004, 12:01 PM
I like his attitude, but everyone knows this is a team game. He cant get 2,000 yards by himself. He may think he can get 2k yards, but if the o-line doesnt think so, then he wont. JMHO.

infantrycak
05-21-2004, 12:15 PM
Setting unreasonable expectations is a major cause for disappointment during the season.

Trivia question--how many backs have ever had 2000 yard rushing seasons?

Love DD's enthusiasm, but the chance of 2000 rushing yards is next to 'nil.

Now a much more reasonable question would be 2000 combined yards. DD was on pace for 1800-1900 combined yards last year absent injuries and not starting. Much more achievable goal. Still don't think it will happen (a) because DD got a lot of receiving yards last year as the check down receiver and hopefully those will go to Bradford, Gaffney, Joppru and Miller more this year, (b) because he will need to go absolutely injury free and (c) because Hollings is likely to get quite a bit more play time.

aj.
05-21-2004, 12:25 PM
If DD gets 2000 yards, that means he had 350+ carries. I'd kinda like to see him have a nice long career and that's certainly not the best way to approach it for a guy whose durability may be an issue.

His goals should look like this IMO (guess the RB):

Yds Carries Avg TD Long
1591 290 .....5.5 14 65

I think we would all be ecstatic if he put up numbers like that.

Wasn't it OJ, Dickerson, and Jamal Lewis?

mes311
05-21-2004, 12:38 PM
Wasn't it OJ, Dickerson, and Jamal Lewis?


Sanders and Terrell Davis reached it also.

infantrycak
05-21-2004, 12:39 PM
Yds Carries Avg TD Long
1591 290 .....5.5 14 65

I think we would all be ecstatic if he put up numbers like that.

Don't know about would, but certainly should.

Wasn't it OJ, Dickerson, and Jamal Lewis?

Yes, plus Davis and Sanders as stated above--OJ only made it by 3 yards and Davis by 8. Two great RB's to consider--Jim Brown and Walter Payton both peaked out at 1850 yds.

Someone jump in, but don't believe a RB has ever done it twice.

edo783
05-21-2004, 01:15 PM
Brown and Payton got theirs in a LOT shorter season. If they had 16 games, they would have went over 2K easy.

Vinny
05-21-2004, 01:15 PM
Earl had 1934 yards in 14 games (I think). He was sooo close.

Hollings will get more touches than most of you think. Bottom line is Dom is still has yet to prove his durability and I doubt we give him too many carries. I don't see 2k for him really.

infantrycak
05-21-2004, 01:31 PM
Brown and Payton got theirs in a LOT shorter season. If they had 16 games, they would have went over 2K easy.
14 game seasons for both but very good chance both would have made it with 16 since they were both averaging about 150+ per game.

TheOgre
05-21-2004, 02:14 PM
The NFL had already switched to a 16 game schedule by the time Earl was a rookie. I think 1977 was the first year of the 16 game schedule and Campbell was a rookie in 1978. The way I remember it is that Tampa went 0-14 in their first season (1976), and started 0-14 in 1977 but won their remaining two games.

Vinny
05-21-2004, 03:18 PM
Thanks, but 78 was the first year of the 16-game schedule (just looked it up). The Oilers were 8-6 that year. 1978 was the switch year. ;)

Huge
05-21-2004, 09:47 PM
If DD gets 2000 yards, that means he had 350+ carries. I'd kinda like to see him have a nice long career and that's certainly not the best way to approach it for a guy whose durability may be an issue.

His goals should look like this IMO (guess the RB):

Yds Carries Avg TD Long
1591 290 .....5.5 14 65

I think we would all be ecstatic if he put up numbers like that.

Wasn't it OJ, Dickerson, and Jamal Lewis?


Clinton Portis. And I'm assuming you brought him up because he's the RB the Texans passed on before they selected Davis. ;)

281
05-21-2004, 10:09 PM
It wasn't just the Texans that passed him up...

It was obviously Clinton Portis... IMO, the best pure RB in the game.

scourge
05-22-2004, 12:07 AM
Clinton Portis. And I'm assuming you brought him up because he's the RB the Texans passed on before they selected Davis. ;)

yeah, they did pass on him, but it was in the '02 draft and not the '03 draft with Davis... and if things could be different, i'd much rather have Portis than Gaffney, which is who we picked up instead. Dont get me wrong, I like Davis, but I dont think he is as good as Portis... I hope he one day proves me wrong

Vinny
05-22-2004, 12:19 AM
The whole league passed on Portis. Heck, his college coach passed on him twice (Butch Davis). He was the 51st pick. Heck if we are going to play that game then the Cowboys were daffy for taking Quincy Carter & Tony Dixon when Travis Henry was on the board. No one can see into the future, and projecting youngsters to mature into the NFL is not exactly an exacting science.

Mistril48
05-22-2004, 12:25 AM
Clinton Portis. And I'm assuming you brought him up because he's the RB the Texans passed on before they selected Davis. ;)

It's great having Chester Pitts and Domanick Davis.

Bummer about Jackson, Jones and Perry .... Say 'hi' to Julius for us.

rittenhouserobz
05-22-2004, 01:27 AM
Factors that dictate any RB getting 2000 yards.

1. An excellent OL that plays hard from start to finish.
2. A Defense that can stop the opposition regularly.
3. A QB that can manage the game and not lose the game.

I am sure there are others. My point being that a guy like Walter Payton didn't come out and say "I am getting ___ yards" He would let the game dictate his yards. I would say it was his luck to play while the Bears were playing some tough D.

USMC_Away_From_Home
05-22-2004, 01:57 AM
:soldier:
I'm so stoked about this season I can't see straight. If he thinks he can go 2000 then I say let him try. I'm sure he knows in his reasonable mind that he probably won't make it. I think he wants to give himself, the team, and the fans something exciting to look forward to.

Now, Hollings will get some play time (and hopefully produce some exciting numbers himself) if he shows during preseason that he's ready to step up to the plate. Can you imagine 2 backs compeating and throwing crazy stats up on the board? I'm beside myself.

Realistic? not really, but will it be exciting to watch? I don't think I have the words to describe it!

Hey DD, you go after your goals. Hollings, you do the same. Let the world look at the Texans and think to themselves, "Holy ****! What do those Texans eat?"

I think I've had too much coffee, but I said my piece.

SSgt Out

Texman
05-22-2004, 07:50 AM
DD is a winner and says he's out to prove last year was no fluke, but more importantly win games. Great attitude. I see DD hitting 1200-1500 yds. and Hollings getting 800-1000.

BornOrange
05-22-2004, 08:57 AM
Davis should get 1200-1500.
Hollings should get 400-600.

Huge
05-22-2004, 10:33 AM
It's great having Chester Pitts and Domanick Davis.

Bummer about Jackson, Jones and Perry .... Say 'hi' to Julius for us.

So it's good to have an offensive lineman (Pitts) and a running back (Davis). Yet Dallas goofed by passing on Jackson, Jones and Perry but ended up with an offensive lineman (Rogers) with their original 2nd round pick and took a running back (J. Jones) with one of the picks they received through Buffalo.

That seems so logical to me.

Bummer about Jackson, Jones and Perry? Why? Because of all the Pro Bowls they've been to?

Chance_C
05-22-2004, 10:47 AM
If DD can get 20 carries a game for 16 games that's 320 totes. If he gets that he will probably have around 1200-1400 yards. I just hope he gets carries in all 16 games. If he proves durable enough, he can become one of the upper echelon backs in the league.

TexansCanes
05-22-2004, 11:43 AM
you're right huge, who knows who is going to be better between jackson, perry, k jones, bell, and j jones. if the draft has told us anything it is that you can find great backs outside the first round. yeah i thought jackson was the best prospect but i wasn't sold on perry or kevin as first rounders and i thought tatum bell and julius would be steals if they slipped to the third round, we will just have to wait and see.

Huge
05-22-2004, 12:00 PM
Good post...better avatar. ;)

Mistril48
05-22-2004, 12:31 PM
I agree with HUGE. Dallas was probably trying to copy the Texans and get both an offensive linemen AND their choice at running back .... TATUM BELL.

Bummer that the Broncos took him right before the Cowboys pick. Oh well. Maybe they can convince people they wanted Julius anyway.

Broncos ... Portis ... Tatum Bell. Now I know why Portis was on Huge's mind.

keyfro
05-22-2004, 01:44 PM
now that's the attitude i want my runningback to have...screw everyone who thinks i can't go the whole season i'm getting 2000yds...i would love to see him grab 2000+ yds next season...means a lot is going right on the offense and our defense will be rested...hefty contract...yeah probably...but if he did this stunt it would put us on the map

Huge
05-22-2004, 03:32 PM
I agree with HUGE. Dallas was probably trying to copy the Texans and get both an offensive linemen AND their choice at running back .... TATUM BELL.

Bummer that the Broncos took him right before the Cowboys pick. Oh well. Maybe they can convince people they wanted Julius anyway.

Broncos ... Portis ... Tatum Bell. Now I know why Portis was on Huge's mind.

Dallas traded out of the bottom of the first, picked up a first next year and a 2nd and 5th this year.

Houston traded into the bottom of the first by giving up a 2nd, a 3rd and a 4th.

Trying to copy the Texans? Um...no.

Why was Portis on my mind? Quick, name all the RBs that averaged 5.5 ypc with over 1,500 yards last season...

But heresay is always fun. Guess it's a shame the Patriots took Vince Wilfork at #21 before the Texans could trade up to at least #20 and take the defensive player they really wanted. Too bad they had to settle for Babin.

Texansbacker
05-22-2004, 03:41 PM
DD could have a coming out party this season, like Priest Holmes did in his first year with Kansas City. This is DD's second NFL season and we have also improved the o-line (which has also gained another year experience).

Dominick Davis
1,500 yards rushing
500 yards receiving

Tony Hollings
750 yards rushing
200 yards rushing

:soapbox:

Mistril48
05-22-2004, 07:13 PM
Dallas traded out of the bottom of the first, picked up a first next year and a 2nd and 5th this year.

Houston traded into the bottom of the first by giving up a 2nd, a 3rd and a 4th.

Trying to copy the Texans? Um...no.

Why was Portis on my mind? Quick, name all the RBs that averaged 5.5 ypc with over 1,500 yards last season...

But heresay is always fun. Guess it's a shame the Patriots took Vince Wilfork at #21 before the Texans could trade up to at least #20 and take the defensive player they really wanted. Too bad they had to settle for Babin.

We'll never know if when the Cowboys traded down they were hoping for Bell. We'll never know because the Broncos traded up ahead of them to get Bell rather than RISK being left with Julius. Hey, don't worry about it. Maybe Julius will work out. Maybe the Broncos don't know much about drafting RBs and maybe they were wrong about NOT wanting Julius.

When the Texans traded up for Babins, it makes no sense to say 'settled'. You trade up because you have a strong conviction, like the Broncos did with Bell over Julius.

Hey, you're right. The first round pick will be nice for the Cowboys. Too bad they had to SETTLE for Julius at RB this year.

Fiddy
05-22-2004, 11:12 PM
Hollings will get more touches than most of you think. Bottom line is Dom is still has yet to prove his durability and I doubt we give him too many carries.I am one that thinks Hollings will get about the same as Davis. It could easily be Davis and Hollings getting around 800 yards each.

Huge
05-22-2004, 11:15 PM
We'll never know if when the Cowboys traded down they were hoping for Bell.

You seemed pretty certain of yourself earlier. Wait, lemme see...

Dallas was probably trying to copy the Texans and get both an offensive linemen AND their choice at running back .... TATUM BELL.

Yeah, that was you. Now it's "we'll never know"?

Here's what we do know:

1. Julius Jones was invited to Dallas before the draft...Tatum Bell was not.
2. Julius Jones was called after Dallas traded out of the first and was told that if he was there in the 2nd, they were taking him. Tatum Bell was not called.

When the Texans traded up for Babins, it makes no sense to say 'settled'. You trade up because you have a strong conviction, like the Broncos did with Bell over Julius.

I'm referring to their failed attempt to trade up to #20 or higher to take Wilfork. Since they didn't get the player they really wanted (Wilfork), they settled on Babin (even if they still had to trade up to get him).

Fiddy
05-22-2004, 11:20 PM
I'm referring to their failed attempt to trade up to #20 or higher to take Wilfork. Since they didn't get the player they really wanted (Wilfork), they settled on Babin (even if they still had to trade up to get him).You dont settle on someone you trade up to get. They got Babin because he is the perfect OLB for a 34 defense and Capers saw Kevin Greene in him.

Lucky
05-22-2004, 11:38 PM
I'm referring to their failed attempt to trade up to #20 or higher to take Wilfork.
Huh? Would you care to elaborate as to how you came about this bit of trivia?

Huge
05-22-2004, 11:49 PM
You dont settle on someone you trade up to get. They got Babin because he is the perfect OLB for a 34 defense and Capers saw Kevin Greene in him.

You do (settle) if he's not the player you originally wanted (Wilfork). But read on first...

Huh? Would you care to elaborate as to how you came about this bit of trivia?

I don't know this. In fact, I highly doubt a word of it is true.

Extra credit: Can anybody guess my reasoning for posting in such a manner w/o offering something that would back up such a claim?

Fiddy
05-22-2004, 11:55 PM
You do (settle) if he's not the player you originally wanted (Wilfork).But Wilfork was off the board 7 picks before we made the deal to get Babin. Casserly traded up to get Babin after Wilfork was taken, so I just cant see what you mean by "they settled" on Babin. It wasnt like they traded up to 27 when 26 was on the clock and Wilfork was on the board and the 26 pick took him. They traded up knowing Wilfork wasnt there.

Maybe I can understand you a little, but not that much.

Huge
05-23-2004, 12:01 AM
But Wilfork was off the board 7 picks before we made the deal to get Babin. Casserly traded up to get Babin after Wilfork was taken, so I just cant see what you mean by "they settled" on Babin. It wasnt like they traded up to 27 when 26 was on the clock and Wilfork was on the board and the 26 pick took him. They traded up knowing Wilfork wasnt there.

If a trade doesn't happen (Texans moving up to 20th or higher) doesn't mean a team wasn't trying (going after the player they wanted).

However, the whole Wilfork ordeal is only an example of how to not make baseless statements without having anything to support it. Kind of like if somebody else was to say the Cowboys wanted Tatum Bell all along but settled on Julius Jones.

See my point?

Fiddy
05-23-2004, 12:11 AM
Gotcha, Huge.

PHAROAH
05-23-2004, 12:31 AM
I still think that the cowboys wanted tatum bell with that pick.

Fiddy
05-23-2004, 12:38 AM
I still think that the cowboys wanted tatum bell with that pick.I dont think so, isnt it Bell that has a fumbling problem?

Vinny
05-23-2004, 03:06 AM
However, the whole Wilfork ordeal is only an example of how to not make baseless statements without having anything to support it. Kind of like if somebody else was to say the Cowboys wanted Tatum Bell all along but settled on Julius Jones.

See my point?You asked...

I don't see the point. I see weak.

If you think someone has a poor posture on an argument or is engaging in idle speculation, you feel you need to emulate it with pure fantasy in order to overcome it? The point you made (to me) is that you lack conviction in your argument, thats all. All you really told me is that you are willing to just make things up to prove your "point".

aj.
05-23-2004, 06:57 AM
I thought it was kind of a clever way to make a point. There are alternatives to brute force ...

Vinny
05-23-2004, 07:29 AM
Cleaver is fine, but if you are going to fabricate stuff, what's the point? Why not just make up everything and when called out, just tell us you were kidding?

Huge
05-23-2004, 12:20 PM
It's a technique to learning, Steel Blue (Vinny?). I could sit here and just tell somebody the error of their ways. Or I could use an example that might help them see it for themselves.

I think there's a difference between me teaching somebody and somebody learning for themselves.

Mistril48
05-23-2004, 12:26 PM
The Logic is simple.

The Broncos trade up to have a CHOICE between Bell and Jones.

They took Bell.

I think we are all entitled to form an opinion about the Broncos abilities to evaluate RB talent. I believe HUGE injected Portis into this discussion.

When the Cowboys used their second pick, they had NO CHOICE. Bell was gone.

The Broncos should have contacted Huge before the draft and he could have explained to them that Bell fumbles.

I only suggest that the Cowboys MAY have wanted the option to draft Bell. The option the Broncos had when they traded in front of them. We will never know for sure.

Vinny
05-23-2004, 12:26 PM
It's a technique to learning, Steel Blue (Vinny?). I could sit here and just tell somebody the error of their ways. Or I could use an example that might help them see it for themselves.

I think there's a difference between me teaching somebody and somebody learning for themselves.
Teaching who? Mistril48 merely suggested that the Cowboys were looking at Bell based on a logical progression. You were just making up fantasy as fact. Isn't there a difference there somewhere? I agree with HUGE. Dallas was probably trying to copy the Texans and get both an offensive linemen AND their choice at running back .... TATUM BELL.

Bummer that the Broncos took him right before the Cowboys pick. Oh well. Maybe they can convince people they wanted Julius anyway.

Broncos ... Portis ... Tatum Bell. Now I know why Portis was on Huge's mind.

aj.
05-23-2004, 12:36 PM
Actually I injected Portis into the discussion when I posted his stats, saying that would be a good goal for DD to shoot for this year. I think that used to be the main topic of this thread.

By Huge: Clinton Portis. And I'm assuming you brought him up because he's the RB the Texans passed on before they selected Davis And for the record, Huge, you assumed wrong.

Huge
05-23-2004, 12:47 PM
The Logic is simple.

The Broncos trade up to have a CHOICE between Bell and Jones.

They took Bell.

I think we are all entitled to form an opinion about the Broncos abilities to evaluate RB talent. I believe HUGE injected Portis into this discussion.

When the Cowboys used their second pick, they had NO CHOICE. Bell was gone.

So we all agree that Denver had Bell rated above Jones. Where we disagree is that this doesn't mean that if one team has one player rated above the other (Denver with Bell over Jones), it automatically means Dallas had him rated higher as well.

A better example than the Wilfork **** is Deangelo Hall and Dunta Robinson. Did the Texans "settle" for Robinson because Hall was taken a couple of picks before? If not, how do you know this?

And no, I wasn't the one that injected Portis into this discussion. Read on...

If DD gets 2000 yards, that means he had 350+ carries. I'd kinda like to see him have a nice long career and that's certainly not the best way to approach it for a guy whose durability may be an issue.

His goals should look like this IMO (guess the RB):

Yds Carries Avg TD Long
1591 290 .....5.5 14 65

That's aj's post...not mine. I merely answered his question "(guess the RB)".

I only suggest that the Cowboys MAY have wanted the option to draft Bell. The option the Broncos had when they traded in front of them. We will never know for sure.

They had the option of drafting any RB in the draft (none were taken by the time Dallas was on the clock in the first round). They chose to trade down. Even after trading down, they still had the option of Greg Jones, Michael Turner, Mewelde Moore, etc. And of all those players, Julius Jones was the only one that was invited to Dallas before the draft (this we know as fact).

Teaching who? Mistril48 merely suggested that the Cowboys were looking at Bell based on a logical progression. You were just making up fantasy as fact. Isn't there a difference there somewhere?

There would be a difference if there was a "logical progression".

Vinny
05-23-2004, 12:53 PM
Fair enough, but you did ask if we "saw your point". It was lost on me, but then again, I'm being a bit of a homer here.

I just didn't see how you can "teach a lesson" by taking a comment that was admittedly speculation and make a "factual statement" about Wilfork that you conceded was fantasy only after someone else called you on it.

Huge
05-23-2004, 12:57 PM
Had it been known that it was fantasy when I orginally made it, the point (don't make baseless statements you can't back up) would not have gotten across. ;)

Mistril48
05-23-2004, 01:00 PM
Clinton Portis. And I'm assuming you brought him up because he's the RB the Texans passed on before they selected Davis. ;)
I was referring to your injection of Portis as an alternative for the Texans (just as Bell could have been an alternative for the Cowboys, had the Broncos not traded up), as opposed to the use of Portis as a benchmark for RBs.

Vinny
05-23-2004, 01:01 PM
Had it been known that it was fantasy when I orginally made it, the point (don't make baseless statements you can't back up) would not have gotten across. ;)
I understand (for the most part).

I also respect you a great deal from the original mb (you always kept your banter above the bs) so I will give you your due.

Huge
05-23-2004, 01:05 PM
I was referring to your injection of Portis as an alternative for the Texans (just as Bell could have been an alternative for the Cowboys, had the Broncos not traded up), as opposed to the use of Portis as a benchmark for RBs.


Understood.

But the Broncos didn't trade up to get Bell. The 2nd round selection they used on Bell came from the Portis/Bailey trade (way before the draft). Had the trade been made while Washington was on the clock, that'd be different.

But it still wouldn't change the fact that Jones was invited to Dallas for an interview (as well as interviewing his brother Thomas during the free agency period) before the draft and Bell wasn't.

aj.
05-23-2004, 01:11 PM
I just didn't see how you can "teach a lesson" by taking a comment that was admittedly speculation and make a "factual statement" about Wilfork that you conceded was fantasy only after someone else called you on it. To me, it was something akin to using irony as a literary technique. It was intended to make the reader think and interpret. I know that's a novel concept on these boards but it seemed like a nice change of pace from the usual my Dad can beat up your Dad stuff...

Vinny
05-23-2004, 01:19 PM
You are probably right. ;)

aj.
05-23-2004, 01:23 PM
Ok, back to football. This is stupid.

Mistril48
05-23-2004, 01:31 PM
But the Broncos didn't trade up to get Bell. The 2nd round selection they used on Bell came from the Portis/Bailey trade (way before the draft). Had the trade been made while Washington was on the clock, that'd be different.

The Broncos acquired the 41st pick previously held by Washington, a pick ahead of Dallas' original second round pick, 52. The Broncos original second round pick, pick 54, was behind the Cowboys. The trade with the Bills didn't change the fact that the Broncos were still ahead of the Cowboys in the second round.

During the draft coverage. I believe there was speculation that the Broncos traded with Cincinnati to move up ahead of the Pats and the Cowboys for a RB. It turned out they were targeting a LB in round one and they were content to use their first choice in round two, which was ahead of the Cowboys, as it remained, on a RB.

I agree it would have been more dramatic had the Broncos traded with Washington when Washington was on the clock.

I agree the situation is similar to the Texans and CBs, or even WRs last year, with Charles Roger. We will never know if the Texans would have taken DeAngelo Hall this year, or Charles Rogers last year.

But it still wouldn't change the fact that Jones was invited to Dallas for an interview (as well as interviewing his brother Thomas during the free agency period) before the draft and Bell wasn't.

It is obviously to a teams advantage to keep their intentions confidential, to avoid teams trading ahead of them and taking their pick (while we will never know, CC has suggested he became aware of other teams interests and traded up for Babin). Accordingly, I don't find the information you've suggested about interviews to be compelling.

Lucky
05-23-2004, 02:16 PM
But it still wouldn't change the fact that Jones was invited to Dallas for an interview (as well as interviewing his brother Thomas during the free agency period) before the draft and Bell wasn't.
Cowboys bring Tatum Bell in for workout (4/9/2004) (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/040904dnspocowbriefs.107beb405.html).
Workouts scheduled: The Cowboys' focus this week has been on the NFL draft, and today the team will host roughly 25 players with local ties, including Oklahoma State running back Tatum Bell.

According to league rules, the Cowboys can bring in as many players as they want from the Dallas-Fort Worth area for workouts.

In addition to Bell, who ran a 4.37-second 40-yard dash at the league combine in February, TCU defensive end Bo Schobel (Columbus), Northwestern Oklahoma wide receiver Patrick Crayton (DeSoto) and Texas Tech center Toby Cecil (Richardson) will attend. Next week, the Cowboys figure to bring in 20 more players from across the country for a visits.
Now I see the irony.

Huge
05-23-2004, 02:35 PM
The Broncos acquired the 41st pick previously held by Washington, a pick ahead of Dallas' original second round pick, 52. The Broncos original second round pick, pick 54, was behind the Cowboys. The trade with the Bills didn't change the fact that the Broncos were still ahead of the Cowboys in the second round.

During the draft coverage. I believe there was speculation that the Broncos traded with Cincinnati to move up ahead of the Pats and the Cowboys for a RB. It turned out they were targeting a LB in round one and they were content to use their first choice in round two, which was ahead of the Cowboys, as it remained, on a RB.

I agree it would have been more dramatic had the Broncos traded with Washington when Washington was on the clock.

So you agree that the Broncos didn't neccessarily trade up in order to get Tatum Bell. How could they have known back in March (when they aquired that 2nd rounder) that he'd even be available? I mean if they really wanted Bell, why not package their two 2nd rounders to move up to ensure they got him?

You've also already stated that the Broncos know what they're doing when drafting runningbacks. If so, how did Dallas goof by passing on Jackson, Kevin Jones and Perry in the first when the Broncos did the same thing (when it was speculated they traded ahead of New England and Dallas in the first to have their choice of RBs)?

I agree the situation is similar to the Texans and CBs, or even WRs last year, with Charles Roger. We will never know if the Texans would have taken DeAngelo Hall this year, or Charles Rogers last year.

Agreed. And I would guess you'd also agree that it'd be pretty stupid of me to come on here and claim that the Texans "settled" for both Andre Johnson and Dunta Robinson simply because they weren't in a position to be able to draft either Charles Rogers or Deangelo Hall.

It is obviously to a teams advantage to keep their intentions confidential, to avoid teams trading ahead of them and taking their pick (while we will never know, CC has suggested he became aware of other teams interests and traded up for Babin). Accordingly, I don't find the information you've suggested about interviews to be compelling.

Again...agreed. If it were only the interview, I'd agree on the 2nd part as well. And you'll have to forgive me for not buying into your theory that Dallas really wanted Tatum Bell...they just weren't in a position to draft him (wait a second, wouldn't that be like me claiming the Texans really wanted Charles Rogers and Deangelo Hall?).

Huge
05-23-2004, 02:42 PM
Cowboys bring Tatum Bell in for workout (4/9/2004) (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/040904dnspocowbriefs.107beb405.html).

Now I see the irony.

Good find, Lucky. But apparently being brought in for workouts/interviews has been ruled out as showing interest. Although Patrick Crayton (one of the players mentioned in that piece) was drafted by Dallas (7th round). It'd also be too easy to point out that Bell might have been brought in simply because he fell under the leauge's "local ties" policy. ;)

Mistril48
05-23-2004, 04:41 PM
Good find Lucky. I appreciate the effort and clarity it brings..

Oilers/Texans
05-23-2004, 04:55 PM
2,000 would be awsome, no doubt. But as long as the Texans make the playoffs I don't care if he has 1000 or 2000, just as long as Houston wins. Setting the goal for 2,000 is great though. The offensive line will take great pride in helping pave the way for Davis to do it and, of course, Davis would take great pride in getting the 2,000. If they are all serious about doing it, then they have a good chance to get it done.

Lucky
05-23-2004, 06:07 PM
Things we've learned from this thread:

Domanick Davis will be hard pressed to get 2000 yards rushing.
Clinton Portis is good.
So are the guys who ran for over 2000 yards.
Some of the greatest backs never ran for 2000 yards.
No RB ran for 2000 yards twice.
The Texans did not attempt to trade up to draft Wilfork. We don't think.
Dallas may or may not have drafted Tatum Bell had they the opportunity.
Irony can come back to bite you in the arse.
Dallas is the home of the Devil team from the North (Wait. We already knew that).

Now on to something we, or at least I, don't know. What's up with that little green box in the NE corner of a post? Do I want to be on a distinguished road? What happens if I decide to go off road? Is everyone here licensed?

Texansbacker
05-23-2004, 06:55 PM
Dominick will get 1999 and receive a new nickname, Little Prince.

TexanExile
05-23-2004, 07:34 PM
Do I want to be on a distinguished road? What happens if I decide to go off road? Is everyone here licensed?


I have no idea, but it's gotta be better than going on an EXtinguished road.

And the scales of justice on every post are a new thing too, right?

V Man
05-24-2004, 09:07 AM
2000 yards combined rushing & receiving? It's possible, though I expect Hollings to get some of that action. I'm thinking DD gets about 275 carries for about 1250 yards with Hollings getting maybe 120 carries for about 600 yards. Not quite 2000 between them, but still formidable.

I really see this is the more likely 2000 yards, 1400 to 1600 on the ground, and 500 to 600 in receptions. :twocents:

A Texan
05-24-2004, 09:51 AM
How he does may well depend on how quicly the OL picks up on Pendry's zone blocking scheme.

Huge
05-24-2004, 01:36 PM
Accordingly, I don't find the information you've suggested about interviews to be compelling.
Good find Lucky. I appreciate the effort and clarity it brings..

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Mistril48
05-24-2004, 02:37 PM
How he does may well depend on how quicly the OL picks up on Pendry's zone blocking scheme.
I agree. Dominick is the real deal, but the results will be largely determined by the OL. I think it will be fasinating to watch the OL evolve this summer.

Will Pendry just plug in a LG, or will he shake up the whole mix?

Will the zone blocking system better suit the existing OL talent?

I'm looking forward to watching the story unfold.

infantrycak
05-24-2004, 07:37 PM
Earl had 1934 yards in 14 games (I think). He was sooo close.

Hollings will get more touches than most of you think. Bottom line is Dom is still has yet to prove his durability and I doubt we give him too many carries. I don't see 2k for him really.

Ogre is correct that Earl got that in a 16 game season, but because of injury I assume, Earl only played 15 games that year--barring that he had it.

infantrycak
05-24-2004, 07:49 PM
Will Pendry just plug in a LG, or will he shake up the whole mix?


Given today's news, the answer MAY be shake up the whole mix.

ledzeppelin229
05-24-2004, 08:37 PM
Well considering they are trying to move to the zone blocking scheme and from what Ive learned/heard relies on quickness, it would only make sense (to me) for the most athletic tackle to be manning the LT spot, especially with Wade on the right side so Wand can get some help (as Vinny suggested). I think it can be compared well to the Robinson-Coleman switch, Wand will take his lumps (as will Carr) but in the end if the plan works out, we should be upgrading both LT and LG with Pitts switching over where he should be more dominant from all reports so far.

Im personally excited about some 2 TE sets with Bruener/Miller and Joppru/Miller on the sides. And of course Bruener|Wand|Pitts|McKinney|Wiegert|Wade|Joppru should blow holes open for Davis even bigger than that toilet seat that sits atop Cowboy Stadium. (Im not sure I can call it "Texas Stadium" anymore, after all as far as Im concerned Houston IS Texas's team.)

aj.
05-24-2004, 08:52 PM
Re: Campbell's record setting year - http://www.profootballhof.com/index.cfm?section=history&cont_id=187002

Looks like he missed Week 4 and had few carries in Week 3. Must have been dinged up.

I recall being in the stands (Temporary Pavilion) for three of those 200 yard games.

But then after the disappointing playoff loss at the Raiders, the New Years Massacre was forever etched on my mind. I was filling up my '78 camaro with gas near Almeda Mall when I heard on the radio that Bum was fired. It was colder than hell outside and I was headed to Victoria that evening for a week-long job at the now defunct (I presume) Victoria Machine Works. Funny how you remember things...

PHAROAH
05-24-2004, 09:11 PM
Domanick Davis has a lot of talent I can't beleive he feel to round#4 but i don't think he will 2,000 yards.

Lucky
05-24-2004, 09:47 PM
Re: Campbell's record setting year - http://www.profootballhof.com/index.cfm?section=history&cont_id=187002

Looks like he missed Week 4 and had few carries in Week 3. Must have been dinged up.
Over the 1st 5 games of the season, Campbell totaled only 224 yards. Over the last 11 games, Earl gained 1710 yards. That's a freakin' 155.4 yards/game. He had 30+ carries in 6 games. That is truly dominant.

OzTexan
05-25-2004, 09:46 AM
for the amount of carries you need to get 2000 yds its not worth it!!!
it recks your carrer!! a RB should only get 300 carries a year if you want him to stay healthy and have a long carrer but teams dont have this luxury givin the short amount of talent at the position.