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Tailgate
11-29-2007, 10:37 PM
Just what we need. Lose our OC, now possibly our best lineman in one week. AWESOME!

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5340506.html

Houston Texans offensive lineman Chester Pitts faces charges of felony evading after police said he sped off during a traffic stop in southwest Houston, authorities said.

adam
11-29-2007, 10:40 PM
Great...

StarStruck
11-29-2007, 10:41 PM
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5796613

Not really major, but nevertheless, evading arrest is considered a felony.

TexanSam
11-29-2007, 10:41 PM
The cheerleaders should start a new cheer for him whenever he comes back to the field...

S-T-U-P-I-D!!!

RTP2110
11-29-2007, 10:42 PM
What is it with our o-lineman and the HPD??

Tailgate
11-29-2007, 10:42 PM
At least our false starts might be down this week.

Yankee_In_TX
11-29-2007, 10:43 PM
Oi.

GlassHalfFull
11-29-2007, 10:46 PM
He should claim he was afraid he was going to be tasered, that is why he drove off.

bah007
11-29-2007, 10:49 PM
He should claim he was afraid he was going to be tasered, that is why he drove off.

Touche my friend.

YellerLotYeller
11-29-2007, 10:55 PM
He should claim he was afraid he was going to be tasered, that is why he drove off.

Repped all the way!

Honoring Earl 34
11-29-2007, 10:59 PM
Well ... some of you got your wish . We're beginning to look more like the Cowboys and Longhorns .

brakos82
11-29-2007, 10:59 PM
He should claim he was afraid he was going to be tasered, that is why he drove off.
You must spread some Reputation around before... :bat:

Runner
11-29-2007, 11:00 PM
He should just take the ticket and get it dropped at court like all the other athletes. Not too bright.

brakos82
11-29-2007, 11:01 PM
Well ... some of you got your wish . We're beginning to look more like the Cowboys and Longhorns .
Evil? Hmphm... :bat:

gg no re
11-29-2007, 11:03 PM
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/tmnguyen-q0_0q/misc/adelman-disgust-sm.jpg

PapaL
11-29-2007, 11:05 PM
*cough*dumbass*cough*

When your 6-3 320lbs - how are you going to try and sneak off? Seriously Chester - what are you thinking? The cop is going to forget about the enormous guy they pulled over?

Texans_Chick
11-29-2007, 11:32 PM
Just what we need. Lose our OC, now possibly our best lineman in one week. AWESOME!

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5340506.html

Interested to see what the whole story about this is.

I know of a number of situations where people are stopped, think they are just being warned and don't understand that they are being asked to stay to get ticketed, drive off, and then the police go after them. "Evading arrest" makes it sound worse than what it really is:

§ 38.04. EVADING ARREST OR DETENTION. (a) A person
commits an offense if he intentionally flees from a person he knows
is a peace officer attempting lawfully to arrest or detain him.
(b) An offense under this section is a Class B misdemeanor,
except that the offense is:
(1) a state jail felony if the actor uses a vehicle
while the actor is in flight and the actor has not been previously
convicted under this section;

link (http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/docs/PE/content/htm/pe.008.00.000038.00.htm)

The law requires intent to flee. If he didn't understand he was supposed to wait there, that it was a misunderstanding then it won't stick. Happened to a friend of mine that way.

This is too weird to be just as it is stated in the paper--I think there is more to it--but that is just my spider sense talking and nothing else.

Runner
11-29-2007, 11:35 PM
I don't know TC, though it does seem like a really bad decision if it was on purpose. I guess we'll see.

Lucky
11-29-2007, 11:35 PM
I know of a number of situations where people are stopped, think they are just being warned and don't understand that they are being asked to stay to get ticketed, drive off, and then the police go after them. "Evading arrest" makes it sound worse than what it really is...
I want you as my lawyer if I ever do something this stupid.

Joe Texan
11-29-2007, 11:36 PM
We will be at the tunnel in tennessee, anything yall want me to tell him.

Runner
11-29-2007, 11:37 PM
I want you as my lawyer if I ever do something this stupid.

Good one.

LORK 88
11-29-2007, 11:50 PM
Well ... some of you got your wish . We're beginning to look more like the Cowboys and Longhorns .
Well put, I was about to post the same thing.

TEXANS84
11-30-2007, 12:07 AM
Fantastic news.

HoustonFrog
11-30-2007, 12:07 AM
Well put, I was about to post the same thing.

What Cowboys have been arrested in the past 12 years?People never get over it. Try Bengals...lol

ArlingtonTexan
11-30-2007, 12:08 AM
Well put, I was about to post the same thing.

We have just gotten into this game. We will have to do more than 1 arrest per year to be significant players on the police blotter.

Hagar
11-30-2007, 12:13 AM
So does this mean we get to look at Kasey Studdard now?

StarStruck
11-30-2007, 12:17 AM
The Cowboys obsession is troubling. As a 100% die hard Cowboys fan for life, I wish no ill will against the Texans or any other team and get no personal satisfaction if a team member has a brush with the law or any other negative situation. Folks, stuff happens, you can't control it, and life should go on for you as a fan.

TEXANS84
11-30-2007, 12:22 AM
So does this mean we get to look at Kasey Studdard now?

I hope not.

KVB and Haynesworth play next to each other.

Andrew6
11-30-2007, 12:28 AM
I am betting he'll be playing Sunday. Sounds like what TC said.

Grid
11-30-2007, 01:11 AM
We will be at the tunnel in tennessee, anything yall want me to tell him.

"You have already made more money than I have ever seen in my entire life. Next time take the damn ticket and smile about it fool."

Andrew6
11-30-2007, 01:14 AM
"You have already made more money than I have ever seen in my entire life. Next time take the damn ticket and smile about it fool."


I concur doctor

LORK 88
11-30-2007, 01:22 AM
We have just gotten into this game. We will have to do more than 1 arrest per year to be significant players on the police blotter.
I know, but I just find it ironic. People are complaining saying we should pick up some trouble-makers or not care about character, and only worry about talent. However, a lot of us don't agree with this arrest and don't like seeing our team's players in trouble. It's actually one of the reasons why the Texans are my team, we have character and values.

LORK 88
11-30-2007, 01:26 AM
What Cowboys have been arrested in the past 12 years?People never get over it. Try Bengals...lol
I should of edited the quote, I was more so agreeing with the principle of the quote, not necessarily the teams mentioned. I really don't have that much hate for the Cowboys (although I did have a few names come to mind).

YellerLotYeller
11-30-2007, 01:34 AM
I should of edited the quote, I was more so agreeing with the principle of the quote, not necessarily the teams mentioned. I really don't have that much hate for the Cowboys (although I did have a few names come to mind).

Biggest understatement ever.

Malloy
11-30-2007, 05:07 AM
Weeh, another November sighting by the HPD.

Pitts will claim that it was a misunderstanding and that he thought he were ok to drive away. Once he realized that this was not the case (sirens and blinking lights do that to you) he immediately stopped his vehicle. He'll get a fine and be out of there.

Andrew6
11-30-2007, 05:20 AM
Weeh, another November sighting by the HPD.

Pitts will claim that it was a misunderstanding and that he thought he were ok to drive away. Once he realized that this was not the case (sirens and blinking lights do that to you) he immediately stopped his vehicle. He'll get a fine and be out of there.

Thats kinda what I was hopeing

Tedc
11-30-2007, 06:53 AM
I want you as my lawyer if I ever do something this stupid.

She doesn't have enough time in the day.:winky:


I am sure we will know the whole story, soon.

White Runningback
11-30-2007, 08:16 AM
Another false start on #69? Nothing shocking here.

What is shocking is that he still owns a 2002 Beemer.

Showtime100
11-30-2007, 08:55 AM
What Cowboys have been arrested in the past 12 years?People never get over it. Try Bengals...lol

It isn't a matter of getting over anything. The Cowboys have that reputation and it's well earned, the Longhorns are no different. H.E's post got my rep.

Maddict5
11-30-2007, 09:10 AM
Another false start on #69? Nothing shocking here.

:wild:

damnit! i was going along this thread hoping id be the first to post this.. so close!!

WWJD
11-30-2007, 09:21 AM
C'mon Chester. Grow up!

Joe Texan
11-30-2007, 09:27 AM
Suspension, All I can say, He really let his team down. On the other hand I would be scared of the tazer too.

Texans_Chick
11-30-2007, 10:06 AM
Suspension, All I can say, He really let his team down. On the other hand I would be scared of the tazer too.

The Texans are gathering information and will likely release a statement today. I suggest holding off judging until we know what the facts are.

But what I do know is that "felony evading arrest" sounds really really bad but doesn't necessarily mean a huge high speed police chase. I can think of at least 4 cases that my husband has dealt with involving HPD over the years where the person misunderstood the officer and didn't realize that they were not free to go. Then they drove off, and the police went after them, then they pulled over. No intent to flee a known detention, no case.

Sometimes with stuff that seems totally stupid for a guy to do (run away from a silly ticket), there is more to it. We have only heard the police version of the facts.

Police officers aren't interested in whatever your story is. Like "hey I didn't realize I was being ticketed. You just left." They are interested in doing their job and not getting killed doing their job. So misunderstandings happen all the time.

Mr teX
11-30-2007, 10:33 AM
LOL, it's not his fault he was playing Need for Speed-hot pursuit on playstation in his car.

HoustonFrog
11-30-2007, 10:36 AM
I'm interested to know the story too TC. A month ago I went golfing with my Brother in laws. On the way back there was an accident at 288 right before downtown. I was getting on the entrance ramp pretty quickly..it passed right by the accident. the car in front of me stopped suddenly and I went into the shoulder to go around and avoid him. There were cops everywhere. Some cop with an attitude pulled me over and started screaming at me about "who do I think I am", "do you think you are better than everyone else," "you are going to sit here on the shoulder until I tell you you can leave," "stop talking, your lying," "how do you like my porno stache"(ok, made up). I tried talking..didn't work. So we sat. He rode off 10 minutes late...while my car made people even slow down more. Another cop made me wait longer..even though the other guy told me I could leave when he was "out of sight." Eventually I got to leave....but I hate cops more than when I hated cops before. It was a complete power trip on something I just made a mistake on because of traffic. I didn't get mouthy besides trying to explain myself. I didn't do something dumb like pull the "I'm an attorney" b.s. they hate so much. So I can see the mix ups. My friends at the DAs office probably would give me the needle though:shades:

badboy
11-30-2007, 10:36 AM
The Texans are gathering information and will likely release a statement today. I suggest holding off judging until we know what the facts are.

But what I do know is that "felony evading arrest" sounds really really bad but doesn't necessarily mean a huge high speed police chase. I can think of at least 4 cases that my husband has dealt with involving HPD over the years where the person misunderstood the officer and didn't realize that they were not free to go. Then they drove off, and the police went after them, then they pulled over. No intent to flee a known detention, no case.

Sometimes with stuff that seems totally stupid for a guy to do (run away from a silly ticket), there is more to it. We have only heard the police version of the facts.

Police officers aren't interested in whatever your story is. Like "hey I didn't realize I was being ticketed. You just left." They are interested in doing their job and not getting killed doing their job. So misunderstandings happen all the time.

I would have thought the officer would have said something like "Where the hell do you think you are going?" Pitts would reply "Oh, you meant for me to stay there and get a ticket? Sorry. I misunderstood. I'll take the ticket now."

Must have been a little more to it at least in the officer's mind. I am thinking Chester looked over his shoulder and saw something big trying to run over him and thought "There's that darn Ron Dayne again. Guess I better pull over and get out of the way."

Mr teX
11-30-2007, 10:39 AM
http://www.tycromedia.com/images/PS2-Need-for-Speed-Hot-Purs.gif

False Start
11-30-2007, 10:43 AM
Dangit , he had to make me look bad ........... DAMN YOU CHESTER !!!! :bat:

Marcus
11-30-2007, 10:53 AM
Dangit , he had to make me look bad ........... DAMN YOU CHESTER !!!! :bat:

Ok, so tell me again why you chose the username "False Start # 69"?

Just wondering.

Yankee_In_TX
11-30-2007, 11:06 AM
Another false start on #69? Nothing shocking here.

LMAO.

TexansLucky13
11-30-2007, 11:29 AM
Well ... some of you got your wish . We're beginning to look more like the Cowboys and Longhorns .

Nice.

Second Honeymoon
11-30-2007, 11:43 AM
What Cowboys have been arrested in the past 12 years?People never get over it. Try Bengals...lol

just an easy 'comeback' for some of the less-informed. it seems like there is something bred in these Houstonians where they feel they are the little sister of Dallas and have to hate anything with a Dallas brand on it.

I can understand hating the Mavs because theya re the ROckets rival, but the Cowboys are not even remotely a Texans rival. As a matter of fact, I consider myself a Texan before I consider myself a Houstonian and I support almost all Texas sports teams or Texas interests...except the Spurs because now they have more championships than the Rox.

If the Cowboys play the Texans, I cheer for the TExans but other than that I support the Cowboys to win because I am a Texan first and foremost.

Texans_Chick
11-30-2007, 11:49 AM
I would have thought the officer would have said something like "Where the hell do you think you are going?" Pitts would reply "Oh, you meant for me to stay there and get a ticket? Sorry. I misunderstood. I'll take the ticket now."

Must have been a little more to it at least in the officer's mind. I am thinking Chester looked over his shoulder and saw something big trying to run over him and thought "There's that darn Ron Dayne again. Guess I better pull over and get out of the way."


If the officer has to stop you again, you are going to get an evading ticket.

Police officers have a difficult job. They want to do their work and they want to not get killed doing their work. They don't want to be involved in a debate society on the side of the road or hear your explanation and certainly doing want to drive after guys they already stopped.

Misunderstandings happen all the time at traffic stops. Police officers are used to doing what they do, but drivers aren't accustomed to being stopped and if the directions to you aren't clear, you might goof up. See e.g. Utah Ride the Taser guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMaMYL_shxc) as an extreme example of a traffic stop gone bad by both officer and driver.

Here's my write up, with map, law stuff, speculation about this sort of fact situation (daytime driving off from a traffic stop where the police officer leaves to do something else is often a misunderstanding):

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/11/30/texan-chester-pitts-arrested-for-fleeing-to-avoid-a-traffic-tick/

As I recall, aren't there a bunch of fast food restaurants that way. Maybe he was just really hungry. :cool:

Texan_Bill
11-30-2007, 11:57 AM
Chester Pitts: "Don't taze me bro......" :shades:

Mr teX
11-30-2007, 12:25 PM
Chester Pitts: "Don't taze me bro......" :shades:


:rofl: Good one! That guy ended getting lit up didn't he?

Specnatz
11-30-2007, 12:25 PM
Chester Pitts: "Don't taze me bro......" :shades:

I wonder if he got his sticker from Bill O'Reilly

Double Barrel
11-30-2007, 12:29 PM
This is too weird to be just as it is stated in the paper--I think there is more to it--but that is just my spider sense talking and nothing else.

I knew your alter-ego was Spider-Woman!! http://www.abfnet.com/forum/images/smilies/spiderman.gif

CT CSTM
11-30-2007, 01:15 PM
Chester is a friend of mine, he's a good upstanding guy. His Dad is a detective back in Cali. He's mindful and respectful of law enforcement. He's also mindful of his reputation in the community. I guarantee you, and I haven't talked to him yet this morning, that he misunderstood the situation and thought he was clear to leave and strolled off. Supposedly he pulled back over a half mile later which if he was trying to get away he wouldn't have stopped that quick. By the time the cops got back in their cars and ran him back down a half mile or so isn't a "chase". Chester is a very intelligent guy and I in no way see that he would have done anything intentional to defy law enforcement. He's not STUPID like some above posters have said,,,I bet when it comes out it was all a big misunderstanding,,,

Vinny
11-30-2007, 01:21 PM
Chester is a friend of mine, he's a good upstanding guy. His Dad is a detective back in Cali. He's mindful and respectful of law enforcement. He's also mindful of his reputation in the community. I guarantee you, and I haven't talked to him yet this morning, that he misunderstood the situation and thought he was clear to leave and strolled off. Supposedly he pulled back over a half mile later which if he was trying to get away he wouldn't have stopped that quick. By the time the cops got back in their cars and ran him back down a half mile or so isn't a "chase". Chester is a very intelligent guy and I in no way see that he would have done anything intentional to defy law enforcement. He's not STUPID like some above posters have said,,,I bet when it comes out it was all a big misunderstanding,,,
Chester has always come across as a bright guy. A half a mile is a 3 min run for some...that's not a high speed chase.

Texan_Bill
11-30-2007, 01:37 PM
Chester is a friend of mine, he's a good upstanding guy. His Dad is a detective back in Cali. He's mindful and respectful of law enforcement. He's also mindful of his reputation in the community. I guarantee you, and I haven't talked to him yet this morning, that he misunderstood the situation and thought he was clear to leave and strolled off. Supposedly he pulled back over a half mile later which if he was trying to get away he wouldn't have stopped that quick. By the time the cops got back in their cars and ran him back down a half mile or so isn't a "chase". Chester is a very intelligent guy and I in no way see that he would have done anything intentional to defy law enforcement. He's not STUPID like some above posters have said,,,I bet when it comes out it was all a big misunderstanding,,,

I reminded someone here in my office about Pitts' father being a detective and also reminded him that Pitts' is an intelligent person - considering he went to a specialized high school for Math and Science.

I agree with you that at the end of the day, it will come out that it was a huge misunderstanding.

Double Barrel
11-30-2007, 02:09 PM
Chester is a friend of mine, he's a good upstanding guy. His Dad is a detective back in Cali. He's mindful and respectful of law enforcement. He's also mindful of his reputation in the community. I guarantee you, and I haven't talked to him yet this morning, that he misunderstood the situation and thought he was clear to leave and strolled off. Supposedly he pulled back over a half mile later which if he was trying to get away he wouldn't have stopped that quick. By the time the cops got back in their cars and ran him back down a half mile or so isn't a "chase". Chester is a very intelligent guy and I in no way see that he would have done anything intentional to defy law enforcement. He's not STUPID like some above posters have said,,,I bet when it comes out it was all a big misunderstanding,,,

Thanks for posting your thoughts. It's good to see some clarity for a stand-up guy like CP. I think this incident will go away when the facts are out.

YellerLotYeller
11-30-2007, 03:39 PM
Chester is a friend of mine, he's a good upstanding guy. His Dad is a detective back in Cali. He's mindful and respectful of law enforcement. He's also mindful of his reputation in the community. I guarantee you, and I haven't talked to him yet this morning, that he misunderstood the situation and thought he was clear to leave and strolled off. Supposedly he pulled back over a half mile later which if he was trying to get away he wouldn't have stopped that quick. By the time the cops got back in their cars and ran him back down a half mile or so isn't a "chase". Chester is a very intelligent guy and I in no way see that he would have done anything intentional to defy law enforcement. He's not STUPID like some above posters have said,,,I bet when it comes out it was all a big misunderstanding,,,

Just heard his(CP) comment on 790 and he sounded really upset. I think it was a huge misunderstanding.

False Start
11-30-2007, 03:55 PM
Ok, so tell me again why you chose the username "False Start # 69"?

Just wondering.

Because that was what I had heard so much during the first years of the franchise , it kind of stuck with me . Thats why . I actually have grown to like CP too . He seems like a real good guy from what Ive seen of him in interviews and TV appearances . I'm the type of fan that likes players for their personality . A guy could be a world beater on the field , an A-hole off the field , and I could care less for the guy . A good personality and stand up type of person goes a long way in my book .

Texans_Chick
11-30-2007, 04:17 PM
Just heard his(CP) comment on 790 and he sounded really upset. I think it was a huge misunderstanding.

Hey, I didn't hear it. What did he say?

Tailgate
11-30-2007, 04:18 PM
Pitts to play on Sunday. Sweet.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5340506.html

"I want to start by apologizing to my family first," Pitts said today. "My teammates, my organization, Mr. McNair, and, honestly, I'd like to apologize to the officers. It was clearly a misunderstanding. I would never disrespect the law. My father has been a police officer for 30 years. I have the utmost respect for law enforcement. It was a huge, huge misunderstanding. I'm sorry."

Texans_Chick
11-30-2007, 04:24 PM
Chester has always come across as a bright guy. A half a mile is a 3 min run for some...that's not a high speed chase.

I looked it up because I was curious and figured it was around Reliant due to the time of day and that the paper said Kirby. If the block numbers and descriptions were accurate, it is the distance between Kirby and Fannin--about .7 miles.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/sports.aol.com/fanhouse/media/2007/11/reliant-map.jpg

You know, about the time it takes for someone to drive off, the police officer realizing the guy drove off, getting to a car, (with a partner, as I recall),driving after the guy to make sure to give the driver the what for, the driver noticing the lights behind him and pulling over some place safe enough to pull over.

McClain's current blog post asks readers to say whether Pitts should be suspended for the game, even before his side of the story is told. Sigh.

YellerLotYeller
11-30-2007, 04:30 PM
Hey, I didn't hear it. What did he say?

Tailgate quoted it...

YellerLotYeller
11-30-2007, 04:31 PM
McClain's current blog post asks readers to say whether Pitts should be suspended for the game, even before his side of the story is told. Sigh.

"Mouth-Breather" McClain is all about hyping something thats not there.

Tedc
11-30-2007, 04:36 PM
We got your back, Chester!:texflag:

Yankee_In_TX
11-30-2007, 04:43 PM
We got your back, Chester!:texflag:

I dunno, those light bulbs he talked me into aren't all that bright, I'm still a little disgruntled....

TEXANS84
11-30-2007, 04:47 PM
Great analysis TC.

McClain's current blog post asks readers to say whether Pitts should be suspended for the game, even before his side of the story is told. Sigh.

You know, its that type of stuff that has me not reading his columns in the Chronicle, and not listening to 610am anymore.
Guilty before proven innocent is McClain's new motto. I wouldn't be suprised if he's the most hated man in the Texans lockerroom.

Double Barrel
11-30-2007, 04:56 PM
McClain's current blog post asks readers to say whether Pitts should be suspended for the game, even before his side of the story is told. Sigh.

The Walrus has spoken....or rather grunted in that grunting sound that walruses make.

I think his next blog should ask readers whether McClain should be covering the Texans or not. He'd probably be scared of the results, though, and end up moving to Tennessee.

Texans_Chick
11-30-2007, 05:06 PM
The Walrus has spoken....or rather grunted in that grunting sound that walruses make.

I think his next blog should ask readers whether McClain should be covering the Texans or not. He'd probably be scared of the results, though, and end up moving to Tennessee.

I think McClain had to dump something out really quick, and that is the result. You write enough stuff and are doing enough things, some of those things are not going to be best efforts.

His blog posts after the Fred Weary thing and the Travis Johnson thing were more completely discussed and very fair.

Runner
11-30-2007, 06:03 PM
I don't see how this could be anything but a mistake because of miscommunication. Given Pitt's background and his personality, it is easy for me to think he thought he had received a verbal warning and been let go. He would not have disobeyed an officer on purpose.

YellerLotYeller
11-30-2007, 06:11 PM
ABC13 said Bob McNair is supporting him, and thats good enough for me.:texflag:

Specnatz
11-30-2007, 06:52 PM
Nice McClain lets create a blog and ask readers what they think and forget to even ask Pitts his side of it. How about creating a poll if you should be allowd to continue working and doing a crappy job. Yeah fine you used to know people and have great contacts and now you are down to making crappy music videos with crappy songs. You ask the readers to provide something intelligent; is it to much to ask for you to do the same thing? Appearantly so. Please retire it is the best thing you could ever do for sports in Houston.

It is disgusting how so many people did not even wait for Vhester Pitts side of the situation. If the police officer was not so worried about filling his non-exsistant quota and trying to stop multiple people for an illegal turn mistakes like this would not happen. Officers have to be more cautious than ever and they need to have their undivided attention focused on one stop at a time. Having the time divided causes mistakes and mistakes can get an officer killed. Very bad judgement on the officers part.

{Thomas, geez, Merry Christmas to you, too. -- JOHN}


Well I got a Merry Christmas wish from John after my post on his blog. I may have been harsh with my officer comments but I stand behind what I ment by them.

Tulip
11-30-2007, 07:24 PM
I just watched the video at HT.com with Chester, McNair and Kubiak. Chester seemed so very embarrassed, upset, and contrite. No bravado whatsoever. I knew when I heard it originally that there must be some sort of misunderstanding because he is such a stand-up guy. It's easy to give guys like that the benefit of the doubt until the facts come out instead of jumping to conclusions.

Napa Auto Parts
12-01-2007, 01:47 AM
Pretty soon were going to make the Cowboy's of the 90's look like a bunch of kid from boyscouts of america.

White Runningback
12-03-2007, 08:48 AM
At least he didn't go out like this guy:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ScDSZWCevhc

And this didn't happen to him:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yGXH-MwUt5E

Wolf
01-17-2008, 01:31 PM
http://www.khou.com/news/local/stories/khou080117_jj_chesterpitsgrandjury.2fbafdc1.html

video link on that too

Houston Texans offensive lineman, Chester Pitts appeared before a grand jury on Thursday.

He was arrested in November on charges of evading arrest.

Police say Pitts kept driving for eight blocks after they tried to pull him over for making an illegal left turn.

Pitts later apologized to the officers and his team.

He said it was all a misunderstanding.

Texans_Chick
01-17-2008, 01:44 PM
http://www.khou.com/news/local/stories/khou080117_jj_chesterpitsgrandjury.2fbafdc1.html

video link on that too

Though it's been said that a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich, it is likely that if he comes across the way he did during the interviews with the media, and if the dashboard cam stuff isn't ugly, that the grand jury will vote not to indict if they have one lick of sense.

Given even the police department's account of events, combined with what Pitts said, a prosecutor would have a hard time saying that Pitts intended to flee arrest. "Intent" is key, and most of the circumstantial information would make it hard for a prosecutor to prove intent beyond a reasonable doubt.

Specnatz
01-17-2008, 01:52 PM
Though it's been said that a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich, it is likely that if he comes across the way he did during the interviews with the media, and if the dashboard cam stuff isn't ugly, that the grand jury will vote not to indict if they have one lick of sense.

Given even the police department's account of events, combined with what Pitts said, a prosecutor would have a hard time saying that Pitts intended to flee arrest. "Intent" is key, and most of the circumstantial information would make it hard for a prosecutor to prove intent beyond a reasonable doubt.

Yeah but how much faith can you put in a bunch of people not smart enough to get out of jury duty? :)

Texans_Chick
01-17-2008, 01:56 PM
Yeah but how much faith can you put in a bunch of people not smart enough to get out of jury duty? :)

The people on a grand jury in Harris County are generally people who volunteered for that duty. Civic minded folks. Generally, smarter than the population in general, and traditionally very conservative.

I have the highest regard for people that serve on any jury, because we need to encourage good people to serve on juries. As much as there is crazy stuff in the paper, juries get it right more often than the goof up in spectacular fashion.

Texan_Bill
01-17-2008, 02:19 PM
Yeah but how much faith can you put in a bunch of people not smart enough to get out of jury duty? :)

Steph is dead on about the Grand Jury v. jurors called for duty... But more importantly, you insulted me as I went to jury duty yesterday out at Judge Bill Yoemans annex (Clay at Highway 6) :bat:

threetoedpete
01-17-2008, 02:39 PM
Steph is dead on about the Grand Jury v. jurors called for duty... But more importantly, you insulted me as I went to jury duty yesterday out at Judge Bill Yoemans annex (Clay at Highway 6) :bat:

He's a hoot isn't he ? Yoeman can Clear out a couple of Hundred people before lunch time.
And...make you laugh befor you poney up the money.

I never get picked for juries. Speak up in voir dire or it's your own fault. Don't lie just speak the truth. I tell them I'm a conervative and that prety much does it.

I've done what Pitts did befor. Motor cycle guy pulls two over at once and you get a jester it's not you...or you think it's a jester it's not you...I just went on. I believe it was innocent.

'nother thing I do that drives them nutz is look for a clear place to pull over. My uncle had a very good freind who was a young motor cycle cop. Anyway to make long story short....someone freaked at one of his traffic stops under the east loop and an eighteen wheeler jack-knifed and slid in to them. Gasoline 18 wheeler. So I'm prety spookey about stoping in traffic along the freeway.
Rather go to jail for evading arrest than be a crispy critter.

I think what Pitts did was fairly innocent. He has no cause to run from the cops. Just a misunderstanding. I don't believe he was in hurry and just decided to go. He got a jester and misintrupreted it.

Grand Jury guys are usually pillars of the commnity guys who are invited to serve. Deacon of churches, retired teachers, people who've run plants and offices...they don't just get them off the street. It's really quite an honor to be picked. And... a thankless job.

Texan_Bill
01-17-2008, 02:51 PM
He's a hoot isn't he ? Yoeman can Clear out a couple of Hundred people before lunch time.
And...make you laugh befor you poney up the money.

I never get picked for juries. Speak up in voir dire or it's your own fault. Don't lie just speak the truth. I tell them I'm a conervative and that prety much does it.


Judge Yoeman is great. I have never seen a judge take the time to actually address each and everyone that showed up for jury duty. And yes, he also has such a great sense of humor - whether you pay up or not.... Nothing but respect for him.

Specnatz
01-17-2008, 03:22 PM
The people on a grand jury in Harris County are generally people who volunteered for that duty. Civic minded folks. Generally, smarter than the population in general, and traditionally very conservative.

I have the highest regard for people that serve on any jury, because we need to encourage good people to serve on juries. As much as there is crazy stuff in the paper, juries get it right more often than the goof up in spectacular fashion.

My comment was not to insult it was a line from a movie and I was making a joke. I have served on a jury about some property damage crap.

And yes I do have respect for the people who do grand jury and regular jury.

I guess I should have not made the joke.

Texanmike02
01-17-2008, 03:25 PM
My comment was not to insult it was a line from a movie and I was making a joke. I have served on a jury about some property damage crap.

And yes I do have respect for the people who do grand jury and regular jury.

I guess I should have not made the joke.


Bad joke man. Bad spec... Bad spec...

Mike

infantrycak
01-17-2008, 03:43 PM
610 am just said the grand jury no billed Chester Pitts.

Texans_Chick
01-17-2008, 03:51 PM
610 am just said the grand jury no billed Chester Pitts.

Nice. It's a good thing when the thing that is supposed to happen happens.

Texans_Chick
01-17-2008, 03:53 PM
My comment was not to insult it was a line from a movie and I was making a joke. I have served on a jury about some property damage crap.

And yes I do have respect for the people who do grand jury and regular jury.

I guess I should have not made the joke.

Nah, I was just speaking in general and not trying to direct this at you. I wanted folks to know that grand juries are a little different than regular juries.

SheTexan
01-17-2008, 03:58 PM
I have jury duty Jan 23rd, have served on several juries in the past, and will serve this time if selected. Do I want to do this? No, not really. BUT, I don't feel I have a right to complain about things I don't like about our justice system if I don't willingly do my part when called. I just go, take a good book to read, and keep my fingers crossed that if I am called, it will be on some case that will keep me from falling asleep in the jury box.:)

Texanmike02
01-17-2008, 04:06 PM
I have jury duty Jan 23rd, have served on several juries in the past, and will serve this time if selected. Do I want to do this? No, not really. BUT, I don't feel I have a right to complain about things I don't like about our justice system if I don't willingly do my part when called. I just go, take a good book to read, and keep my fingers crossed that if I am called, it will be on some case that will keep me from falling asleep in the jury box.:)

The one jurty duty I went to lasted 1.5 days. Half way through the second day one of the parties involved admited he was lying. But they did pass around a bullet that was in some dudes head for an hour or two.

Mike

DiapHer
01-17-2008, 04:07 PM
I have jury duty Jan 23rd, have served on several juries in the past, and will serve this time if selected. Do I want to do this? No, not really. BUT, I don't feel I have a right to complain about things I don't like about our justice system if I don't willingly do my part when called. I just go, take a good book to read, and keep my fingers crossed that if I am called, it will be on some case that will keep me from falling asleep in the jury box.:)

God help the defendant!!!!:jail:






:jk:

Porky
01-17-2008, 06:32 PM
Great news for Chester. I think this was the correct decision based on all available data.

WesmanTexanfan
01-17-2008, 06:41 PM
ooooooooooook this is old news.......... i got scared

Malloy
01-17-2008, 06:44 PM
69 Prevails! :)

Dallas_Texan
01-18-2008, 02:50 PM
Judge Yoeman is great. I have never seen a judge take the time to actually address each and everyone that showed up for jury duty. And yes, he also has such a great sense of humor - whether you pay up or not.... Nothing but respect for him.

Back when I was in Houston, I had to go to Yoeman for a traffic violation I think, and first thing he did when he came in was say "man this is too much paperwork today, I need to clear some people out of here". Then he said "is there anyone here from the great state of Louisiana?", about 5 people raised there hands to try to get out of there, and he said, "Great, you five form a line on the right over here, you're all paying your fines, everyone else is free to go, you're dismissed!!!" He then told us how he was given a speeding ticket by a rude police officer in New Orleans, and this was his vengeance towards Louisiana! LOL

Koolaid Time
01-18-2008, 02:58 PM
Nice. It's a good thing when the thing that is supposed to happen happens.

Except if you are Texas Supreme Court Justice David "Firebug" Medina who got indicted by a Harris County Grand Jury for Arson..

The funny thing is that "Chucky" Rosenthal DIDN'T want Medina indicted, and is now going to DISMISS the case, regardless of the indictment.

Vinny
01-18-2008, 02:58 PM
610 am just said the grand jury no billed Chester Pitts.
colossal waste of time charging Pitts for a FELONY in such a trivial matter. They don't care about wasting our time and money though....we just let em abuse it.

threetoedpete
01-18-2008, 05:21 PM
colossal waste of time charging Pitts for a FELONY in such a trivial matter. They don't care about wasting our time and money though....we just let em abuse it.

Go read about the TEA bureacrats. You'd think with all of the letters behind their names they'd have one person in the office with the compentence to check a bloody calander for a conflict.
Nope.
They sceduled the elementary TAKs test the same day as the primaries March 3rd. Seems like a small deal. But now all of the seniors are facing later dates and shorter deadlines to get stuff into the colleges. Just stupid malfesance, arrogance and laziness.

Mailman
01-18-2008, 05:38 PM
colossal waste of time charging Pitts for a FELONY in such a trivial matter. They don't care about wasting our time and money though....we just let em abuse it.

I blame the cops more than the prosecutor.

Prosecutors have a working relationship with police officers, so most will pass the buck to the grand jury rather than risk pissing off their law enforcement peers.

76Texan
01-18-2008, 05:51 PM
As long as the system works, I have no qualm.
There's always bad apples everywhere, including in the military, and the government.
The people can and always act as surveillance to help keep all branches of the law in check.
We don't need to malign the folks who are doing their job.

76Texan
01-19-2008, 02:35 AM
I would like to clarify that I have no tie with any branch of the law!

gary
01-19-2008, 09:29 AM
Except if you are Texas Supreme Court Justice David "Firebug" Medina who got indicted by a Harris County Grand Jury for Arson..

The funny thing is that "Chucky" Rosenthal DIDN'T want Medina indicted, and is now going to DISMISS the case, regardless of the indictment.Medina lives down the block from me.

Hervoyel
01-19-2008, 09:51 AM
Every time I open this board I see the thread "Pitts Arrested" and think "Again?"

threetoedpete
01-19-2008, 10:39 AM
Medina lives down the block from me.
No kidding ?
So did the guy tourch his house ?

gary
01-19-2008, 11:03 AM
My brothers know his daughter and they say no. I say why did he turn himself in? They are rebuilding it now and it is for sale. I don't agree with my brothers.

Texans_Chick
01-21-2008, 09:19 PM
colossal waste of time charging Pitts for a FELONY in such a trivial matter. They don't care about wasting our time and money though....we just let em abuse it.

Eh, it's a felony because if you evade arrest in a car, that automatically makes it a felony.

These cases happen a lot--person doesn't realize they are detained, drives off, cop is pissed, charges will be filed because the police officer doesn't want to hear whatever crap excuse someone has.

The Medina sort of case is really unusual in a lot of ways...

grand jurors talking
grand juries being that aggressive
DA says screw the grand jury

There's lots of weird stuff with that one. Not likely they had enough evidence for prosecution though.

gary
01-21-2008, 10:30 PM
There was evidence found by the arson specialists that the house was burned down.Second time in ten years. Their insurance policy was dropped six months before the fire and they were going into foreclosure. Rosenthal and the judge didn't want to hear about it.Something is going on.Who would listen to Rosenthal now? I can't believe he still has his job.