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Errant Hothy
11-29-2007, 10:50 AM
Might as well start a speculation thread.

Some of the names I've thought of, and this not an endorsement of any of these guys just names that have crossed my mind.

Bill Callahan - WCO guy
Chan Gailey - A much coordinator then HC, but he is prone to calling the 5 yard play on 3rd & 8
Mike Leach - A true offensive genius, and I'd love to see what he could do with top flight talent along the O-line and at RB (if we ever have top flight talent at RB). I hope he stays at Tech but if he must leave Lubbock I'd be ok if the move was to Houston.
Norv Turner - Another great coordinator but crap HC.

Who y'all got?

Texan_Bill
11-29-2007, 10:51 AM
Joe Pendry..... :hides:

I think it will be someone on staff already.

b0ng
11-29-2007, 11:03 AM
While Mike Leech would be a cool OC, I don't think his lack of running game would mesh well with Kubiak's philosophy of run first, pass second.

Norv would definitely compliment the Texans well, and is an intriguing idea.

It will probably end up being Kyle Shanahan and I think a lot of people are not going to like that due to his age.

I would take Cam Cameron too, but nobody knows if the 'phins will let him go after this season. He did sort of inherit a pretty bad team.

HOU-TEX
11-29-2007, 11:04 AM
I assume it'll be little Shanny, but it doesn't matter anyways. Kubiak will run the offense and hopefully he reverts to what he knows works.

It's the DC I'm worried about. Will they rid themselves of Richard? Will Bush become DC? I hope so

:texflag:

:d:

Errant Hothy
11-29-2007, 11:10 AM
While Mike Leech would be a cool OC, I don't think his lack of running game would mesh well with Kubiak's philosophy of run first, pass second.

I think Leach's lack of a running game at Tech is more due to the type of talent he is able to recruit then the fact that he is truly that pass happy.

I'd be real intersted to see what Leach could do if he had a running game he could rely on at times.


as for little Shanny, a) I think 27 is just too damn young to be running meetings (unless Kubiak is going to do it and Shanny is just OC in name) and b) let his Pops take the chance with him as an OC not us.

texanfan2002114
11-29-2007, 11:15 AM
I assume it'll be little Shanny, but it doesn't matter anyways. Kubiak will run the offense and hopefully he reverts to what he knows works.

It's the DC I'm worried about. Will they rid themselves of Richard? Will Bush become DC? I hope so

:texflag:

:d:

This was written 11/25/07 in the chronicle

"If Mike Sherman leaves the Texans for the Aggies, the natural progression would have quarterbacks coach Kyle Shanahan becoming the offensive coordinator."


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/college/texasam/5326453.html

Errant Hothy
11-29-2007, 11:17 AM
This was written 11/25/07 in the chronicle

"If Mike Sherman leaves the Texans for the Aggies, the natural progression would have quarterbacks coach Kyle Shanahan becoming the offensive coordinator."


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/college/texasam/5326453.html


By John McClain...need I say more.

BigBull17
11-29-2007, 11:18 AM
I wouldnt mind Kyle running the offense because maybe we get a nut who wants to mix things up am\nd make Texans football exciting. Give us something to be excited about. Or if you are worried about age, try and get some co coordinator to help him learn the ropes. A fresh and new perspective couldnt hurt.

dc_txtech
11-29-2007, 11:22 AM
I think Leech's lack of a running game at Tech is more due to the type of talent he is able to recruit then the fact that he is truly that pass happy.

I'd be real intersted to see what Leech could do if he had a running game he could rely on at times.


as for little Shanny, a) I think 27 is just too damn young to be running meetings (unless Kubiak is going to do it and Shanny is just OC in name) and b) let his Pops take the chance with him as an OC not us.


Tech was a power running team for years before Leach arrived. Remember little Ricky Williams? Leach's philosophy is to spread out the defense and throw the ball. I really don't think his scheme would work in the pro's, especially with the huge splits on the offensive line.

False Start
11-29-2007, 11:23 AM
For what its worth . John McClain was saying Sunday that it might be Kyle Shanahan . He said that he thinks he will take the OC job here , then move on to Denver as OC for a couple of years , and eventually take over Daddy's job as head coach . He also said that he has a reputation as one of the good up and coming young coaches in the NFL . I wouldn't mind that . No college coaches please .

PapaL
11-29-2007, 11:27 AM
Kubiak

Even if someone else holds the title, Kubiak is the Offensive "Genius".

Errant Hothy
11-29-2007, 11:29 AM
Tech was a power running team for years before Leach arrived. Remember little Ricky Williams? Leach's philosophy is to spread out the defense and throw the ball. I really don't think his scheme would work in the pro's, especially with the huge splits on the offensive line.

I would say that a) Tech tried to be a power running team and b) Spike Dykes refused to pass because he had some very below average QBs, most notably the great Zebby Lethridge and c) Spike was afraid of the pass.

As for all those great RBs under Spike, how many had good games against the top teir talent, espically after the formation of the Big XII? I remember many a rolling by Nebraska in Lubbock.

I think Leach runs the spread because it fits the talent he is able to recruit to Lubbock, if he could get better talent along the O-line and at RB I think he would run more.

badboy
11-29-2007, 11:35 AM
KS and the offense will focus even more on passing. He was the receivers coach and that is where our strength lies. We will go with RBs but expect a more wide open attack in my opinion. I think we will see more draw plays also. Kubes will continue to have final say. Now if we could just change the DC.

b0ng
11-29-2007, 11:39 AM
Leech has been with tech for what, 7 years now? I think if he wanted to implement a running game, he would've recruited for it and implemented it by now. Leech's offensive philosophy for Tech is making big pass plays to big overpowering receivers, and with a QB that has a big arm. They just don't run.

Lane Kiffin is what, 30? 32, maybe? I don't think that age is as big of a factor if Shannahan(sp?) can make the team better. I think we'll be alright with Shanahan being the OC as long as Kubiak keeps him on a fairly short leash.

I'm with the poster above me, the DC position is the one that scares me more. Our defense is definitely an underperforming unit, and it just seems that if we promote from within, we'll just get more of the same.

painekiller
11-29-2007, 11:47 AM
Nice list, you also need to look to Denver also, two years ago Kubiak tried to get the OL coach to join him and Mike Shanahan said no. Made Rick Dennison OC, in title only, by bringing back Mike Heimerdinger as the Assistant HC/QBs, Dennison has not been given his true chance.

Does Kubiak still want to work with him? And does Kubiak really want to run the Denver ZBS? If the answer is yes then this move makes sense.

I also thought of the Callahan move, but think he will be going to Tampa Bay. Just a hunch.

Double Barrel
11-29-2007, 11:47 AM
For some reason(s), the thought of Kyle Shanahan as OC does not inspire any confidence in my mind. It is borderline nepotism, and once again, the Texans might fail to spend the money on getting a proven coach on our staff.

I wonder if Kubiak will want to change DC since he's having to find another OC. Another year of Richard Smith's bland defensive schemes and emotion-based playcalling leaves me feeling less than enthusiastic.

Obviously, this is just speculation on my part, tainted by half a decade of mediocrity and losing.

YoungTexanFan
11-29-2007, 11:51 AM
I am heavily in favor of Norv Turner running our offense. He would have to adjust to having an actual #1 reciever, but his teams have had good offenses even without an AJ.

painekiller
11-29-2007, 11:52 AM
Joe Pendry..... :hides:



Hey he is the Assistant HC of the Alabama Crimson Tide. So he must know something. Could it have been the QB was not able to run an NFL offense? No that can't be the problem, just ask John Foxx.

mridge01
11-29-2007, 11:56 AM
Hey all, it's L-E-A-C-H. He's not a blood sucking, pond worm.

It will be Kyle anyway. Are any of the "candidates" first mentioned even available, other than Chan Gailey or Bill Callahan.?

Texan_Bill
11-29-2007, 11:59 AM
Hey he is the Assistant HC of the Alabama Crimson Tide. So he must know something. Could it have been the QB was not able to run an NFL offense? No that can't be the problem, just ask John Foxx.

*ahem* it was a joke.... No one has to convince me that it 'may have been HWSRN'

dc_txtech
11-29-2007, 11:59 AM
I would say that a) Tech tried to be a power running team and b) Spike Dykes refused to pass because he had some very below average QBs, most notably the great Zebby Lethridge and c) Spike was afraid of the pass.

As for all those great RBs under Spike, how many had good games against the top teir talent, espically after the formation of the Big XII? I remember many a rolling by Nebraska in Lubbock.

I think Leech runs the spread because it fits the talent he is able to recruit to Lubbock, if he could get better talent along the O-line and at RB I think he would run more.

Spike had Kingsbury at QB, I wouldn't say he was a below average QB.

In '97 "lil" Ricky outgained UT's Ricky Williams 131-80. In '98 he outgained him again 148-141. As for Nebraska, I remember Nebraska rolling alot of people back in those days and it is hard to find stats from games that happened ten years ago.

Leach has implemented a pass heavy offense everywhere he has gone, Valdosta State, Kentucky, Oklahoma, and Tech. In my opinion, if it were not for Leach then Tim Couch would never have been the number one pick. Then we saw what he did with Heupel in Oklahoma. No matter where Leach coaches he will pass first IMHO.

Specnatz
11-29-2007, 12:03 PM
I am curious why not Larry Kirksey the WR coach, look what he has done with our WR and he is in his 11th season versu Jr his in his 4th. I honestly think that it will not be Kyle because of lack of experience.


This is the second year in a row the Texans have had to replace the OC, who ever it is it needs to be some that can stablize the offense and it needs to be someone who can at least challenge Kubiak with different schemes other than what has been done in the past. Different ideas is not a bad thing and can only help the team.

painekiller
11-29-2007, 12:04 PM
*ahem* it was a joke.... No one has to convince me that it 'may have been HWSRN'

Bill, I know you where joking, but could not resist blasting DC once again.

threetoedpete
11-29-2007, 12:07 PM
Kubiak

Even if someone else holds the title, Kubiak is the Offensive "Genius".

Agreed: What I think is going to happen....if sherman doesn't take the boy...the boy will be elevated. The boy is bieng groomed to take over HC for the denver broncos. Either way the boy gets his resume padded.

Errant Hothy
11-29-2007, 12:09 PM
Spike had Kingsbury at QB, I wouldn't say he was a below average QB.

Kingsbury didn't start till 2000, which was Leach's first year.


In '97 "lil" Ricky outgained UT's Ricky Williams 131-80. In '98 he outgained him again 148-141. As for Nebraska, I remember Nebraska rolling alot of people back in those days and it is hard to find stats from games that happened ten years ago.

For those games, yes; but over the season, no. I'm also pretty sure that Tech lost both of those games.

Leach has implemented a pass heavy offense everywhere he has gone, Valdosta State, Kentucky, Oklahoma, and Tech. In my opinion, if it were not for Leach then Tim Couch would never have been the number one pick. Then we saw what he did with Heupel in Oklahoma. No matter where Leach coaches he will pass first IMHO.

Where has Leach coached where he's had a good running game? I say Leach runs the spread because it gives his team's the best chance at winning with the talent on their rosters.

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one, cause if we keep this up we'll need to move it to the college forum.

Texans_Chick
11-29-2007, 12:18 PM
For what its worth . John McClain was saying Sunday that it might be Kyle Shanahan . He said that he thinks he will take the OC job here , then move on to Denver as OC for a couple of years , and eventually take over Daddy's job as head coach . He also said that he has a reputation as one of the good up and coming young coaches in the NFL . I wouldn't mind that . No college coaches please .

I can see that.

As I've said before, I've seen Shanahan talk football, and he impresses. He looks so young, but that fades away when you hear him talk.

Here's some pluses and minuses:

1. He can translate what Kubiak wants for his offense better than just about anyone else. Out of the staff there, probably only TE coach Brian Pariani is the only other person who as familiar with the Denver style of things.

2. The players like what he does.


The downside:

1. I think he would be a waste in the booth. He is of great help to Kubiak on the sidelines. I don't know who they would get to replace his role there as far as telling people what they are missing or what they needed to do on a particular route.

2. Inexperience. If stuff hits the fan on the offensive side of the ball, the Texans will no longer have the cover of saying "hold the course, our offensive coordinator knows what he is doing." He won't have much of a safety net if things go bad--his fault or not.



On the offensive side of the ball, I am not sure if I should have confidence in what oline coach John Benton is doing now that Sherman is gone. Sherman was in charge of the oline last year, and Benton had it this year. Don't know enough to have an opinion.

dc_txtech
11-29-2007, 12:26 PM
Kingsbury didn't start till 2000, which was Leach's first year.




For those games, yes; but over the season, no. I'm also pretty sure that Tech lost both of those games.



Where has Leach coached where he's had a good running game? I say Leach runs the spread because it gives his team's the best chance at winning with the talent on their rosters.

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one, cause if we keep this up we'll need to move it to the college forum.


Kingsbury was there in '99 and played at the end of that season.


Williams rushed for 1582 yards and 13 TD's his sophomore season. Tech won both games that I listed.


We have better talent than Army and all they do is run the ball, as a matter of fact we have better talent than 75 percent of the Nation at least.

But your right this is off topic and I don't think we are going to agree.

(Oklahoma had a running game)

Mr. White
11-29-2007, 01:47 PM
Dude....I would love having Mike Leach on this staff. He's got one hell of a killer instinct.

He'd make for some great quotes on Monday mornings. It would only be a matter of time before he'd have his own radio show here in town.

Even though I have no ties to Tech or Lubbock, I got mad respect for the man.

austintexanite
11-29-2007, 02:10 PM
Turner as an OC has me very intrigued, but it will probably be Kyle. I'm not sure if that is the smartes of moves though. Has he had enough experience? Is he smart enough to call a good game and adjust to defences?

TexanSam
11-29-2007, 02:18 PM
I'd love Norv Turner as our offensive coordinator if he were let go by San Diego. I know both he and Kubiak have reputations as being QB guru's so I wonder if that would conflict though. Another name that hasn't been thrown out is Steve Mariucci. Wouldn't mind him trying for the job.

CoastalTexan
11-29-2007, 02:39 PM
To clear up the Mike Leach discussion, this is his philosophy on offense. It's quite an impressive read and I have no connection to Tech. He's an interesting guy for sure. I have a lot of respect for him as well, going from lawyer to football coach and winning.


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/04/magazine/04coach.html?ei=5090&en=c9f46201dc95f91d&ex=1291352400&adxnnl=1&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx=1165295348-QhCHlsh+0Ca3wU8ESozzZA

Second Honeymoon
11-29-2007, 02:39 PM
For some reason(s), the thought of Kyle Shanahan as OC does not inspire any confidence in my mind. It is borderline nepotism, and once again, the Texans might fail to spend the money on getting a proven coach on our staff.

I wonder if Kubiak will want to change DC since he's having to find another OC. Another year of Richard Smith's bland defensive schemes and emotion-based playcalling leaves me feeling less than enthusiastic.

Obviously, this is just speculation on my part, tainted by half a decade of mediocrity and losing.

I agree. It would be another example of cronyism and McNair going the cheap route on coaches when coaching is the only thing you can spend loads of money on and not get hamstrung by the salary cap.

but what do I know? McNair knows one thing, making money....and his franchise has done that for him and he could sell it tomorrow and make a few hundred million dollars in windfall. McNair needs to hire some real coaches with experience and credibility. The Texans coaching staff is currently a laughingstock of the league and that includes everyone but Lil'Shanny and Kubes. The offense has been OK but every defensive coach needs to be fired and given the boot.

Mr. White
11-29-2007, 02:59 PM
If it's Kyle (which it probably will be) then it'll be in name only.

I don't have much of a problem with that because it means that Kubes will be actually running the offense.

I thought that Gailey would be a damn good pickup as well, but I doubt that his offense would be compatible with Kubiak's. We'd end up with some other "hybrid" offense.

Goldensilence
11-29-2007, 03:50 PM
I'd love Norv Turner as our offensive coordinator if he were let go by San Diego. I know both he and Kubiak have reputations as being QB guru's so I wonder if that would conflict though. Another name that hasn't been thrown out is Steve Mariucci. Wouldn't mind him trying for the job.

Honestly I want no part of Norv.

Steve Mariucci however I'd love to have. West Coast Pedigree is un-questionable and I saw him in an old NFL films when he was the coach of the 49ers. Great motivator. I saw in his meeting rooms he replaced all the clocks with ones that had no hands and inside instead he wrote. Now.

Second Honeymoon
11-29-2007, 04:22 PM
Honestly I want no part of Norv.

Steve Mariucci however I'd love to have. West Coast Pedigree is un-questionable and I saw him in an old NFL films when he was the coach of the 49ers. Great motivator. I saw in his meeting rooms he replaced all the clocks with ones that had no hands and inside instead he wrote. Now.

Mariucci would be a coup and probably a better high-profile alternative than a Billick. Since it doesnt look like Kubiak is getting fired this offseason, he may see the writing on the wall and realize that he needs to fix things next year or he will be unemployed. This may lead him to take over the lion's share of the offensive playcalling and gameplanning in order to save his butt.

The offense has turned the ball over too much and has lacked consistency but based on where the offense was last year and the fact that our playmaker RB has been hurt all year, I have been pretty happy with the offense. it's the defense and vanilla schemes that I have a problem with.

Richard Smith should be selling insurance. He is horrible.

powerfuldragon
11-29-2007, 04:36 PM
it'll still be gary kubiak.

axman40
11-29-2007, 04:50 PM
I have more of a problem with Mike Sherman staying until the end of the season, than Kyle taking over OC.I say let Sherman go to A&M and let us see how Kyle handles the rest of the season.
:fans:

Texans_Chick
11-29-2007, 04:52 PM
To clear up the Mike Leach discussion, this is his philosophy on offense. It's quite an impressive read and I have no connection to Tech. He's an interesting guy for sure. I have a lot of respect for him as well, going from lawyer to football coach and winning.





I can't imagine Leach as a Houston Texan for many reasons. I can't imagine him wanting to work for an offensive minded guy who is really steering the ship. Sherman came to Houston because of some begging on the Texans part and because he couldn't get a head coaching gig at that time.

Leach is, by far, however, the most hilarious quote in all of football. I love hearing him speak on stuff--his 610 interviews were classic. Really dry, odd sense of humor.

El Amigo Invisible
11-29-2007, 04:52 PM
Major Applewhite

powerfuldragon
11-29-2007, 04:58 PM
Major Applewhite
that'd be slick, but i don't see it happening.

AnthonyE
11-29-2007, 05:56 PM
Hey all, it's L-E-A-C-H. He's not a blood sucking, pond worm.
It will be Kyle anyway. Are any of the "candidates" first mentioned even available, other than Chan Gailey or Bill Callahan.?

Good laugh for the day.

I wouldn't mind Kyle being the OC. He seems to be doing well with the QBs, and last year the WRs, so yeah. Wouldn't be that big of a deal.

Rex King
11-29-2007, 08:12 PM
Leach...Really dry, odd sense of humor.

Occasionally bizarre - those interviews make me think of Ricky Gervais in the Office at times.

I wonder if Kubiak will want to change DC since he's having to find another OC. Another year of Richard Smith's bland defensive schemes and emotion-based playcalling leaves me feeling less than enthusiastic.


I kind of doubt he's going to fire Richard Smith. Just a feeling I have. Plus, in most statistical departments, the defense has made improvements from last year. On the other hand, he has called into question several of Smith's decisions - moving Mario around last year, lining up Petey against Steve Smith, not being aggressive enough, etc. If it happens, I think the search for his replacement would start and end with Frank Bush.

I'd like to see Kirksey stay at WR coach. It seems every receiver has made strides (not counting the YNK->Schaub factor). Even Mathis seemed to be improving as a receiver. Chick Harris' backs have had mixed results, but he hasn't had a lot to work with. Heck, he made Jonathon Wells into a 100-yard rusher. Pariani had a good track record at Denver and seems to be doing well here. I'm undecided about Benton. Winston has come along nicely, but Pitts seems to have regressed. Shanny seems to have a nice rapport with the QBs. I do like the possibility that the kid could potentially bring more innovation to the offense. I'd rather see him get promoted than have another season of too many cooks spoiling the broth.

Errant Hothy
11-30-2007, 08:29 AM
it'll still be gary kubiak.

And that bothers me more the Richard Smith as the DC. IF Kubiak has in effect been the OC, what does that say about his so called status as an offensive genuis?

powerfuldragon
11-30-2007, 10:11 AM
Sherman came to Houston because of some begging on the Texans part and because he couldn't get a head coaching gig at that time.

no, i think sherman came to houston because of the generous persuasions and veiled promises of some a&m boosters.



also, leach is cool.