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Mr. White
11-28-2007, 08:35 AM
I know it's a little early to start this party, but I don't think it's a bad idea to get a preliminary assessment of what you guys think we should do in the first round.

You guys know that Texans fans are used to talking about the draft in December anyway.

I know Rick Smith talks about taking BPA in the first round, but you gotta admit that we have needs.

What do you guys think?

Mr. White
11-28-2007, 08:48 AM
I'll start. We need to get the run game going to eat up clock.

I think we need an outside runner and let "Ronnie" get the carries between the tackles since he's gonna get 'em anyway.

I'm sure a DeAngelo Williams type RB will be available in the middle of the first round when we're up.

HJam72
11-28-2007, 09:30 AM
I chose OL over RB mainly because we need to remember that most RBs do not last more than 3 or 4 years. It all depends on the player though, and I'm just barely off of my "I want DBs!!!!!:bat:" phase. I could revert.

tulexan
11-28-2007, 09:38 AM
it depends who is available, but i want an offensive tackle unless a stud corner back is available. running back can be addressed through free agency or in the third round.

gtexan02
11-28-2007, 09:40 AM
Many teams have shown that a great offensive line can make any average joe with a little speed and vision look great. I say OL. Look what Hutch did for the Vikings, and how much he's crippled Shaun Alexander

Ole Miss Texan
11-28-2007, 10:17 AM
I voted Offensive Line as well. I think it's about time to get a 1st round talent Left Tackle to (a) Give Schaub that 1 extra second to throw (b) not allow Schaub to get leveled when he throws the ball and (c) create some holes for our RB's.

There are arguements for most positions, and there are those that say...oh we won't draft 'position x' in the first round. I think anything is up for grabs pretty much.

I can't wait until our DL develops and becomes absolutely dominant. I'd like for us to build our Offensive Line up to be just as dominating. That's the key to consistently winning (through the trenches). Ain't sexy but the Lombardi Trophy sure is and if you want more than one...you better have a stellar OL & DL.

Yankee_In_TX
11-28-2007, 10:36 AM
Best available at our draft spot of:

OL
RB
Secondary

HJam72
11-28-2007, 10:55 AM
Best available at our draft spot of:

OL
RB
Secondary

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.

stingray
11-28-2007, 11:20 AM
I think it all depends where you are picking and what's available. You just don't draft an OL just becasue you need an OL when there is a better quality pick at RB or secondary and vice-versa. We don't know where we will be picking. Anywhere from 5th to 15th, I think.

Goldensilence
11-28-2007, 11:25 AM
Best available at our draft spot of:

OL
RB
Secondary

I second this.

BigBull17
11-28-2007, 12:34 PM
Left tackle. Its time to get our anchor. Though, I do like the idea of maybe trading down and getting a 2nd round pick. The only other thing I would even consider is if McFadden starts to slip a little bit, I would seriously consider trying to move up and snake him. He would be the perfect face to our franchise. Hes like Reggie, but has a body to play Rb and a lot better skill set.

rollinstone18
11-28-2007, 12:53 PM
Voted for the secondary. This draft is going to be deep in RB and OL if a few juniors declare.

beerlover
11-28-2007, 01:00 PM
it depends who is available, but i want an offensive tackle unless a stud corner back is available. running back can be addressed through free agency or in the third round.

big surprise :sarcasm:

beerlover
11-28-2007, 01:02 PM
are we good enough to just take bpa :)

Honoring Earl 34
11-28-2007, 01:03 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/magazine/24football.html?pagewanted=all

threetoedpete
11-28-2007, 02:04 PM
it depends who is available, but i want an offensive tackle unless a stud corner back is available. running back can be addressed through free agency or in the third round.

This is where I'm at also. Love to have Loadholt or Clady. Loadholt...I don't know where they'd move Winston...but I also know we wouldn't have to worry about forth and one anymore. And I'm not posting that the stuff in Cleveland was Erick's fault. Something this off season has to improve along the oline. Okoye on the board, Levi Brown off, I get it. No excuse not to upgrde the tallent this year. Got the cap room. Need to get younger quicker, and stronger in the o-line.

TBS...get into the third round you're gambling on transiton level of the CBs. Scouts better do heck of job agian if your waiting on the cover corner to be on line by October. September in '08 could get very messy if the new corner is suspect and Robinson is PUPed. We already know what we got as back ups. The corners and DBs who have the chance to paly corner, are going to fly off the board so fast in the second and top of the third our heads will spin. Might find another Bennit. Cleveland certianly found one in the fifth with McDonald.

If they draft Strewart...I'll be on board. I think you have a better shot at getting Stewart in the third than you do a lock down corner in the third. and I also believe you get the same package with the South Carolina guy as you do with Stewart. You'll need to get some meds for the south carolina guy no doubt, but he'll work. He's very imature but he'll work.

Ole Miss Texan
11-28-2007, 02:10 PM
I think it all depends where you are picking and what's available. You just don't draft an OL just becasue you need an OL when there is a better quality pick at RB or secondary and vice-versa. We don't know where we will be picking. Anywhere from 5th to 15th, I think.

I guess it's more unwritten, but assume the question is..."What position do you want to be BPA when we're up to select?"

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/magazine/24football.html?pagewanted=all

Ole Miss is set up to really make a run at things next season, they will surprise a lot of people. They are returning a vast majority of their starters including (most likely) both Tackles and Guards on the OL. Snead is set to take over at QB, the top 5 wr's are going to be sophomores and juniors, all linebackers, etc. Add in Houston Nutt as the new Head Coach...

Things are really pointing to Mike Oher staying in school. (I hope so!) He could use some more development and would really help the team succeed. I think he'll be a top 10 lock in the 2009 draft if he stays.... but if he so decides to declare I would be very supportive of him being our 1st round selection. At this point I think their are other LT's that are more polished but he's got an incredible amount of potential.

Great story for those that havn't read it...

tulexan
11-28-2007, 02:16 PM
big surprise :sarcasm:

Sorry I don't have a hard on for Jonathan Stewart

threetoedpete
11-28-2007, 02:22 PM
I didn't vote because you posted Corner...and not cover corner. and there is a BIG difference. The difference is how much your team can chance bringing five and six instead of four. Guess what we got right now ?

threetoedpete
11-28-2007, 02:32 PM
I guess it's more unwritten, but assume the question is..."What position do you want to be BPA when we're up to select?"



Ole Miss is set up to really make a run at things next season, they will surprise a lot of people. They are returning a vast majority of their starters including (most likely) both Tackles and Guards on the OL. Snead is set to take over at QB, the top 5 wr's are going to be sophomores and juniors, all linebackers, etc. Add in Houston Nutt as the new Head Coach...

Things are really pointing to Mike Oher staying in school. (I hope so!) He could use some more development and would really help the team succeed. I think he'll be a top 10 lock in the 2009 draft if he stays.... but if he so decides to declare I would be very supportive of him being our 1st round selection. At this point I think their are other LT's that are more polished but he's got an incredible amount of potential.

Great story for those that havn't read it...


Congrates on the Houston Nutt hire. I think he'll be well motivted to prove himself. Hope those that love Micheal Oher will express that love with a policy on the kid for injuries in '08. I always think that it is best to finish out your degree. Just hope he gets coverge for a worst case scenario. I agree. I've only seen him twice. He is not ready yet and would probbly sit in '08.

TBS, he's on the board I would hope the Texans would pull the trigger on the guy.

beerlover
11-28-2007, 04:33 PM
Sorry I don't have a hard on for Jonathan Stewart

Felix Jones looked impressive to me but with McFadden he doesn't get the touches. down on the goal line however they tended to feed him the ball which means he has power, explosiveness & hangs onto the ball, all upgrades to this Texans roster as it stands. if Spencer can't return & play LT then I have no problem going after the best one available in the 1st rd. but until then I'm not willing to give up hope he can still play.

concerning LT prospects Michael Oher, Mississippi is the most intriquing prospect. but the optimum solution (other than addressing RB) is trading down & taking a cover corner late 1st & using a 2nd rd selection (picked up in a trade down) on another LT from Pitt Jeff Otah he is cut from the same mold as Charles, big, massive & bruising :bowser: check him out this weekend against #2 West Virginia :)

HOU-TEX
11-28-2007, 04:39 PM
Re: 1st Round Draft Needs

Too much for one pick to fix.:gun:

Nawzer
11-28-2007, 04:39 PM
Just to let everyone know I voted for the fullback option. Seriously though, we need help everywhere. Starting with the o-line which has played better but we can still use a left tackle. Secondary obviously needs help with Dunta's situation up in the air. We need talent at the runningback position. We could use another outside linebacker.

austintexanite
11-28-2007, 04:49 PM
I say we need to draft a center or left tackle with our first pick. However, if all the elite tackles and centers are gone, I'm for a running back or DB. A WLB would be nice too.

HoustonFrog
11-28-2007, 04:54 PM
I'm torn between the Top 3. I always hated the thought of drafting O-line. I thought if we were running Denver's system then we could draft 2-3 round O-linemen. Still could but I know it is up there. DBs are high on my list too. But I'd be remiss if we go another season and have to watch old and hurt RBs or ones that don't help us complete our passing/running game. It just bugs me every week that we have no real answer or a longer term one.

badboy
11-28-2007, 04:56 PM
Think on this, Ahman Green has one more year of $3+million. We usually go with injured players for longer than one year if it is thought they can recover next season. Green played in 5 games in 2005 after four straight pro bowls. In 2006 he went for over 1,000 yds @ GBay. If healthy, he will be on team next year. If Ron Dayne continues to pull a 2006 and avg close to 100yds/game rest of this season he will be on team. Walker and Eche are non factors as of today as neither can get on field. Unless Mcfadden is at our pick, no RB in first round. LT: management hoped Spencer would be back this season and forced a back up to be a starter and a never was (Jordan Black) to be the alternate. This move was made on a player (CS) that had not played three games as a pro being the answer @LT. Why should this change as Spencer is closer to being on field than last off season? CB: Bennett has looked good and Dunte supposedly has a less serious injury than CS. So using philosophy from 2006, DR will be our starter in 08, so we do not need a CB. Kubiac has stated that he is ok with our safeties and actually CC, Von and Demps have done better than I expected. LB: Morlon is "steady", Ryans is "all everything" and Diles could be moved to OLB as he has size of Ryans and many posters have argued the move to OLB for Demeco. So, we draft a DE in first round that can pressure the QB and tie up more than one player. Especially as this one should be somewhat cheaper than the last DE we drafted.

What I want? Asante Samuel CB in free agency. I was leaning towards Juilius Jones from Dallas for RB but last two games turned me off. We have the money to make two significant moves. I do not agree with others that much is available in FA this year, just our luck.

1st round: If no McFadden and no one can guarantee this, we pray for a trade down that get us a second round. I'd pick Clady or Sam Baker (off year but I did hear he has been injured) for LT. It doesn't matter if CS makes it back or not, our two LT now need to go. If Kubes thought Pitss or inston was better, guess what?
2nd round: several RBs to select from. Rice, Felix Jones, Hart, Ian Johnson, Stewart all in over 32nd best player per Draft Insiders' Digest of best top 50 as of Nov 9th.
3rd round:Best Free Safety available
4th round: Best center (unless White steps up last five games)
5th round: Best OLB

It will be interesting to see how Bennett and Von Hutchins do the rest of season with Demps @ FS.

Texans Horror
11-28-2007, 04:58 PM
With all the money supposedly coming in this next year, I could see a linebacker being bought in free agency. The position that will help this team the most is LT. A dominant LT opens up the run game and the pass game, and the longer the offense is on the field, the better for the defense.

Now, what do I think they'll take? Easy. Safety. I think the Texans like Dunta coming back, and they like what they see in Bennett (we'll see how that looks in five more games). But for now, I think the Texans believe they have their corners. They'll take the safety and try to get one more year out of the o-line, which has (knock on wood) been relatively injury-free this year compared to last.

Maybe the Texans will take LT in the third like they did with Spencer/Winston.

badboy
11-28-2007, 05:19 PM
With all the money supposedly coming in this next year, I could see a linebacker being bought in free agency. The position that will help this team the most is LT. A dominant LT opens up the run game and the pass game, and the longer the offense is on the field, the better for the defense.

Now, what do I think they'll take? Easy. Safety. I think the Texans like Dunta coming back, and they like what they see in Bennett (we'll see how that looks in five more games). But for now, I think the Texans believe they have their corners. They'll take the safety and try to get one more year out of the o-line, which has (knock on wood) been relatively injury-free this year compared to last.

Maybe the Texans will take LT in the third like they did with Spencer/Winston.What OLB is available as an upgrade in free agency? thanks.

tulexan
11-28-2007, 05:26 PM
Just to let everyone know I voted for the fullback option. Seriously though, we need help everywhere. Starting with the o-line which has played better but we can still use a left tackle. Secondary obviously needs help with Dunta's situation up in the air. We need talent at the runningback position. We could use another outside linebacker.

If we had a 2nd round pick, I would definitely consider using it on Owen Schmitt. He has the potential to be a once in a generation FB.

Mr. White
11-28-2007, 06:00 PM
I didn't vote because you posted Corner...and not cover corner. and there is a BIG difference. The difference is how much your team can chance bringing five and six instead of four. Guess what we got right now ?

I didn't post corner, cover corner, 90 degree corner, free safety, strong safety, safety shoes, or safety glasses.

I posted "Secondary" because that word should account for any and all DBs.

My feelings aren't too hurt that you didn't vote. You're usually yelling for the next stud LT by the end of each preseason, so I've got a pretty good idea where you stand.

:sumo:

Silver Oak
11-28-2007, 06:29 PM
it depends who is available, but i want an offensive tackle unless a stud corner back is available. running back can be addressed through free agency or in the third round.

ditto.

:fans:

nero THE zero
11-28-2007, 10:32 PM
Best available at our draft spot of:

OL
RB
Secondary

Agreed.

BigBull17
11-28-2007, 11:03 PM
What OLB is available as an upgrade in free agency? thanks.

Lance Briggs may be in the market...

badboy
11-29-2007, 10:48 AM
Lance Briggs may be in the market...
Weak side linebcker playing for $7.2 million. A great pick up but I do not see Texans replacing Morlon Greenwood to incur that type of contract. I don't see Briggs at strong. Do you?

BigBull17
11-29-2007, 12:26 PM
Weak side linebcker playing for $7.2 million. A great pick up but I do not see Texans replacing Morlon Greenwood to incur that type of contract. I don't see Briggs at strong. Do you?

Do you see Greenwood making the team next year? The way I see it, we need an upgrade at both OLB positions. He would be a hell of an upgrade, IMO. Then we can work on the strong side OLB. Wouldnt you feel 100% better with Briggs -Ryans- and X then Greenwood -Ryans -and X?

threetoedpete
11-29-2007, 02:04 PM
What I see from my tree is a coach who does not throw verterans under the bus. Draw you own conclusions. Brigs is going to be 8 mill a year. Samuels ten.
Not saying they are not worth it...just saying.

If I was a verten FA I'd be fighting to get onto this roster. Owner pays like a broken slot and the coach hangs with you no matter how much it hurts or how much you stink.

Why should this change as Spencer is closer to being on field than last off season? CB: Bennett has looked good and Dunte supposedly has a less serious injury than CS.

The last quote I heard on CS was that they were hopefull that he could continue his career.
That isn't exactly a ringing endorsement. You may well be correct....because he also said befor the last draft they'd do everything possible to keep MS healthy, then they promptly went out and drafted a DT.

The last I heard, and I know of no one who has seen a post op prognoisis on Dante...the estimate went from six to eight to eight to twelve months...and that little jump happened within a week of the operation. I know I'm reading tea leaves here...but that little jump can't be good. Maybe he's a fast healer ? Bottom line is the club is expecting him to be out untill August. Draw you own conclusions as to if that is dire straights or not. Petey starting, proving once again he can not start, has no appeal to me. Been there done that.

badboy
11-29-2007, 02:27 PM
What I see from my tree is a coach who does not throw verterans under the bus. Draw you own conclusions. Brigs is going to be 8 mill a year. Samuels ten.
Not saying they are not worth it...just saying.

If I was a verten FA I'd be fighting to get onto this roster. Owner pays like a broken slot and the coach hangs with you no matter how much it hurts or how much you stink.Samuel at $10 m would have me screaming "sold"! That would be a great deal. I like Briggs even at $8m. However, WLB is not a hole. Greenwood is consistent and steady and will not be replaced next year. Use the $8- 10 million after sign Asante to fill a bigger need. Not sure who that is as I am not optimistic on the FA "crop".

badboy
11-29-2007, 02:35 PM
I know I do not want to begin 2008 regular season hoping Spencer and DR are going to be the starter. It is too late then as it is with Green game by game.

Even without a 2nd round selection, we should be able to address LT, CB and one other position in draft. I don't see Kubes going for a FS or RB higher than 5th round unless there is a trade down. As for starters in FA, I see Samuel @ CB nothing else. Not saying there will not be others signed just nothing very significant. Those type players under Smith have been helpful but not starters.

Texans Horror
11-29-2007, 02:37 PM
You're right. Nothing else (besides Briggs) is coming up on the radar for LB. While LB would be cool, I'd rather they draft a top-of-the-line Safety or Cornerback. However, the Texans have a pretty clear path they take, which is usually to free-agent their biggest needs and just go with the best defensive player available at their spot. Keeping that in mind, I would not be surprised to see a safety and left tackle bought in free agency, and then the Texans drafting something like a linebacker in the first round.

threetoedpete
11-29-2007, 02:45 PM
If they bite on the seventy million dollar apple with Asnate why would they draft another Db in the first ? I don't see that at all. I'll believe a free Saftey when they call it off the card at the draft. Now the OU kid, Tennesse St. Kid, south Florida kid... they kinda kill two birds with one stone. But again if they got Samuels locked up I don't think they will double dip.

painekiller
11-29-2007, 03:23 PM
You're right. Nothing else (besides Briggs) is coming up on the radar for LB. While LB would be cool, I'd rather they draft a top-of-the-line Safety or Cornerback. However, the Texans have a pretty clear path they take, which is usually to free-agent their biggest needs and just go with the best defensive player available at their spot. Keeping that in mind, I would not be surprised to see a safety and left tackle bought in free agency, and then the Texans drafting something like a linebacker in the first round.


I would be happy with Karlos Dansby and Calvin Pace coming here. Pace is huge at 272, and Dansby is a stud, not at Briggs level. And his old coach is here, Bush.

badboy
11-29-2007, 04:07 PM
If they bite on the seventy million dollar apple with Asnate why would they draft another Db in the first ? I don't see that at all. I'll believe a free Saftey when they call it off the card at the draft. Now the OU kid, Tennesse St. Kid, south Florida kid... they kinda kill two birds with one stone. But again if they got Samuels locked up I don't think they will double dip.I agree, if they get Samuel and Bennett continues we should be set. If Dunte comes back at full speed, even better. I also hope Hutchins continues well. If we have a strong set of CBs, safety is less an issue. A CB in FA fills a hole and strengthens every other defensive position. This allows the team to draft strong for offense & should make 2008 very interesting. Also, remember we got Diles in the 7th. We could strengthen our hand with continued good choices in later rounds. Starters in 1st, 3rd and 4th and then quality depth 5th, 6th and 7th. Casserly was enamored with trading late picks for the following season and moving up a round. I really like Smith using his picks for significant players like Studdard and Frye.

BigBull17
11-29-2007, 05:25 PM
Samuel at $10 m would have me screaming "sold"! That would be a great deal. I like Briggs even at $8m. However, WLB is not a hole. Greenwood is consistent and steady and will not be replaced next year. Use the $8- 10 million after sign Asante to fill a bigger need. Not sure who that is as I am not optimistic on the FA "crop".

By servicable, you mean gets beat in coverage and gets a tackle 6 yrds down field? Im tired of those type of players. Im ready for a take over the game type LB not named Ryans.

The1ApplePie
11-29-2007, 06:26 PM
If the team is looking to shift more to the 3-4 (or hybrid) then Conner might be the pick.

Conner and Ryans in the middle with Mario playing one OLB could be beast worthy.

Ryan
11-29-2007, 07:29 PM
i voted secondary.

b0ng
11-29-2007, 09:32 PM
Greenwood is consistent and steady and will not be replaced next year.


Greenwood gets beat on screen plays regularly, and also does not make the tackles needed to take down runners that go around the outside. If Ryans wasn't in the middle, then Greenwood would look a lot worse than he already does.

He is a quality backup in this league, definitely not a starter. Briggs would be so much of an upgrade over Greenwood that our defense would probably be talked about in the same respects that Green Bay's defense is now.

threetoedpete
11-30-2007, 01:49 AM
I didn't post corner, cover corner, 90 degree corner, free safety, strong safety, safety shoes, or safety glasses.

I posted "Secondary" because that word should account for any and all DBs.

My feelings aren't too hurt that you didn't vote. You're usually yelling for the next stud LT by the end of each preseason, so I've got a pretty good idea where you stand.

:sumo:

Well there's a difference between someone who can cover a WR on an Island and someone who must drop back all the time in a cover two. We got plenty of tampa two guys. We're loaded with them. How do you like them so far ?

If they draft a cover two guy...don't wanna hear no more crying about how much they send the blitz.

PFW has a write up on the o-lineman..Depends which Jrs. come out how strong the class will be. got three guys with the red crosses on them...If we're drafting DBs or RBs in the first....those are your guys. Might luck out once again. I bet if cody wallace is floating around in the fifth we take the guy.
I like the Marshal center but he must suck to them. He isn't on their list.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Extras/2007/positionrptOL.htm

BigBull17
11-30-2007, 12:20 PM
Greenwood gets beat on screen plays regularly, and also does not make the tackles needed to take down runners that go around the outside. If Ryans wasn't in the middle, then Greenwood would look a lot worse than he already does.

He is a quality backup in this league, definitely not a starter. Briggs would be so much of an upgrade over Greenwood that our defense would probably be talked about in the same respects that Green Bay's defense is now.

Brilliant. Its time to get someone like that. We have spent big money before, but on 2nd to 3rd tier players. With us missung the 2nd rounder, we have to spend a little money to improve us enough to take over the 2nd spot in the AFC South, let alone take over the lead. And betwen Briggs and Samuels, Briggs is the guy I would like to get in here.

badboy
11-30-2007, 04:29 PM
Greenwood gets beat on screen plays regularly, and also does not make the tackles needed to take down runners that go around the outside. If Ryans wasn't in the middle, then Greenwood would look a lot worse than he already does.

He is a quality backup in this league, definitely not a starter. Briggs would be so much of an upgrade over Greenwood that our defense would probably be talked about in the same respects that Green Bay's defense is now.You guys will not get an arguement from me about comments on Morlon. However, my post indicated he will not be replaced as Kubes is satisifed. Briggs will command at least $8million a year. If he and Samuel are both signed I am ok with it but do not see that happening. You fill big holes first then small holes in my philosophy. Some years you can do both but I do not see that in this off season.

76Texan
11-30-2007, 05:29 PM
If we had a 2nd round pick, I would definitely consider using it on Owen Schmitt. He has the potential to be a once in a generation FB.

A few draft boards has him in the 4-5th round.

But heck yeah, if he has broken 10 facemasks already, he'll be worth a long look.

76Texan
11-30-2007, 05:34 PM
Things are really pointing to Mike Oher staying in school. (I hope so!) He could use some more development and would really help the team succeed. I think he'll be a top 10 lock in the 2009 draft if he stays.... but if he so decides to declare I would be very supportive of him being our 1st round selection. At this point I think their are other LT's that are more polished but he's got an incredible amount of potential.

Great story for those that havn't read it...
I've read the book by Michael Lewis in the off-season. Then I started watching Oher a bit. So far he has not impressed. But then again, I can't say I've watched enough to know for sure.

rmartin65
11-30-2007, 05:40 PM
I voted secondary. RB and OL you can usually find later. Not that the Texans have had much luck with that though.

Ole Miss Texan
11-30-2007, 06:01 PM
I've read the book by Michael Lewis in the off-season. Then I started watching Oher a bit. So far he has not impressed. But then again, I can't say I've watched enough to know for sure.

Yea, one plus is that he pretty much dominated Glenn Dorsey every time they were matched up against each other (this past ole miss/lsu game).

tulexan
11-30-2007, 06:12 PM
I've read the book by Michael Lewis in the off-season. Then I started watching Oher a bit. So far he has not impressed. But then again, I can't say I've watched enough to know for sure.

I didn't realize that was him. Michael Lewis spoke at Tulane and was talking about Oher's story, but I must've forgotten his name. Really is a great story.

76Texan
11-30-2007, 06:21 PM
I remember the part Lewis wrote about how (in HS) Oher drove this defender all the way to the fence...

And how they would run the same play several times behind him with great success.

And how all the coaches promising the world to his brother (from the adopted family) to recruit him.

I guess too much expectation stemmed from the book! :)

Maddict5
11-30-2007, 06:51 PM
i voted fullback.. in 6 yrs, this team has never had a premier fb and im sick of it holding this team back!!

beerlover
12-02-2007, 12:25 PM
Felix Jones looked impressive to me but with McFadden he doesn't get the touches. down on the goal line however they tended to feed him the ball which means he has power, explosiveness & hangs onto the ball, all upgrades to this Texans roster as it stands. if Spencer can't return & play LT then I have no problem going after the best one available in the 1st rd. but until then I'm not willing to give up hope he can still play.

concerning LT prospects Michael Oher, Mississippi is the most intriquing prospect. but the optimum solution (other than addressing RB) is trading down & taking a cover corner late 1st & using a 2nd rd selection (picked up in a trade down) on another LT from Pitt Jeff Otah he is cut from the same mold as Charles, big, massive & bruising :bowser: check him out this weekend against #2 West Virginia :)

anyone record or watch WV/Pitt? any thought on Jeff Otah's play? seems like a dead ringer as another Charles Spencer to me. I think in recent weeks his game has caught the eye of NFL teams looking for O-Line help & may now have moved from the 3rd rd. into the 1st. unlike the other talented tackles most of which are underclassman, Senior Otah (New Castle, Del./William Penn/Valley Forge Military Academy [Pa.]) helped pave the way for McCoy's 1,000-yard season from his left tackle position. Since transferring from Valley Forge in 2006, Otah has started every single game the last two seasons (23 consecutive starts). here is his school bio-

http://pittsburghpanthers.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/otah_jeff00.html

if Stewart is gone when the Texans pick, I say the Texans bite the bullet & consider drafting him. Despite being only in his fifth year of organized football, Otah has established himself as a national-caliber offensive tackle with strong pro prospects. He was recently listed No. 11 on Mel Kiper's Top 25 Senior "Big Board."

tulexan
12-02-2007, 01:12 PM
Steve Slaton's stock is really falling, I think he stays in school to try to have a monster senior year. I can't see him being a first round pick this year.

The1ApplePie
12-02-2007, 02:44 PM
Schmitt or Hillis in the 4th/5th seems like a must pick. Our FB's are terrible and if you want to run the ball in this system, you need a good one.

YoungTexanFan
12-02-2007, 04:22 PM
anyone record or watch WV/Pitt? any thought on Jeff Otah's play? seems like a dead ringer as another Charles Spencer to me. I think in recent weeks his game has caught the eye of NFL teams looking for O-Line help & may now have moved from the 3rd rd. into the 1st. unlike the other talented tackles most of which are underclassman, Senior Otah (New Castle, Del./William Penn/Valley Forge Military Academy [Pa.]) helped pave the way for McCoy's 1,000-yard season from his left tackle position. Since transferring from Valley Forge in 2006, Otah has started every single game the last two seasons (23 consecutive starts). here is his school bio-

http://pittsburghpanthers.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/otah_jeff00.html

if Stewart is gone when the Texans pick, I say the Texans bite the bullet & consider drafting him. Despite being only in his fifth year of organized football, Otah has established himself as a national-caliber offensive tackle with strong pro prospects. He was recently listed No. 11 on Mel Kiper's Top 25 Senior "Big Board."

No. No. No. No. No.

Enough with the potential guys or the raw projects. I refuse to believe Spencer is actually as talented as parts of 2 games has convinced some of you. He was and is even more now a project. We don't need another one. Enough of it. We have a string of project guys we have screwed over and screwed over our team with. Enough. Enough. We just drafted Frye, and he is unlikely to ever amount to anything close to the starter level. Enough.

I'm done, and I didn't mean to go off on you beerlover, but I've had enough.

Hagar
12-02-2007, 04:31 PM
I originally put secondary but after today's game (Titan 2nd game) I'm changing my vote to OLine.

TexansSeminole
12-02-2007, 05:05 PM
I originally put secondary but after today's game (Titan 2nd game) I'm changing my vote to OLine.

I dunno. You've got VY, possibly the worse starting QB at passing. And he throws for over 200 yards and 2 TDs. Our coverage was just as bad as our blocking. Bennett showed he can make an INT, but showed he is still raw. VY threw a bad pass to Gage in the endzone and Bennett was not able to make a play on it. He probably should have intercepted it.

Overalls
12-02-2007, 05:54 PM
I dunno. You've got VY, possibly the worse starting QB at passing. And he throws for over 200 yards and 2 TDs. Our coverage was just as bad as our blocking. Bennett showed he can make an INT, but showed he is still raw. VY threw a bad pass to Gage in the endzone and Bennett was not able to make a play on it. He probably should have intercepted it.

We also have lost 4 DB's to IR this season. so it is hard to say what might have been. I voted RB myself, but we need atleast one of everything in this coming offseason. It's sad that once again we are looking at the very real posibility of a top 10 pick. Let's go D-line again and really throw the other teams off our trail.

TexansSeminole
12-02-2007, 06:14 PM
Honeslty I don't care if it is O line or secondary, as long as it is one of the two.

Insideop
12-03-2007, 04:39 AM
I voted O-line awhile back but had thought if they could get Stewart in the 1st, then they should get him. After todays game, they really need to get a Center. We now have 1 healthy Center who is playing in his 13th season, and 2 Centers on IR with torn ACL's (I think). It would be very foolish to go into next season with Flanagan (provided he stays healthy), McKinney (provided he can come back healthy), and White (same reason as McKinney with less recovery time).

Now I'm not saying we draft a Center with the 1st round because I don't think any have been graded 1st round worthy. But, if we could trade back (Yes I know that's a big "BUT"!) and pick up a 2nd rounder, that would be ideal. Then we could get possibly one of the best Centers in the Draft. Whoever that may be.

It's definately a position that needs alot of attention during the Offseason. JMHO!

BigBull17
12-03-2007, 09:39 AM
Its all about Left Tackle. We need to get a young guy in here to guard the blind side. I think you have to break it down and say Dayne is a better RB than Salaam is a LT. In a draft thats deep at RB, you can get a servicable guy a little later.

Errant Hothy
12-03-2007, 10:26 AM
Sunday sealed the deal, fix the O-line.

beerlover
12-03-2007, 10:27 AM
I think you have to break it down and say Dayne is a better RB than Salaam is a LT. In a draft thats deep at RB, you can get a servicable guy a little later.

Salaam = Dayne

both aquired via free agency in the twilight of repsective careers :)

BigBull17
12-03-2007, 12:41 PM
Salaam = Dayne

both aquired via free agency in the twilight of repsective careers :)

I would be inclined to disagree. We have to go LT in the first, or you get a yound RB who cant get going because hes dodging guys in the back field. Dayne was well on his way to a 150+ yard game befor our brilliant play caller decided to take the ball out of his pudgy hands.

beerlover
12-03-2007, 12:55 PM
I would be inclined to disagree. We have to go LT in the first, or you get a yound RB who cant get going because hes dodging guys in the back field. Dayne was well on his way to a 150+ yard game befor our brilliant play caller decided to take the ball out of his pudgy hands.

& Salaam has been just as effective/valueable, both are serviceable & doing their absolute best to help the Texans win its the rest of the OL (most injured & can't even play) & RB's (also injured & can't even play).

Second Honeymoon
12-03-2007, 01:05 PM
Our best bet is to take the best defensive back in the 1st Round. Depending on where we select, this could be Kenny Phillips out of The U. He is a premier FS talent and could help everything gel. If a true CB grades out higher than Phillips and is available when we select, then go the CB route. The secondary has to be fixed and we can't count on Dunta coming back 100%.

As for the Offensive Line, it hasn't been that horrible. Early in teh season, Schaub was getting rid of the ball like your supposed to. He is pressing and its contributing to sacks and turnovers. There aren't going to be any quality FA OT available in teh offseason. it just doesn't happen, but there is a future Hall Of Famer named Faneca that is going to be available. I think adding Faneca would help solidify the line. Maybe this will be the offseason that McNair really pulls the strings on a power move and send a message that the Texans are getting serious about winning. More than anything, we need a Center just as much as an LT so I say you go with best FA OL and take a run at Faneca to improve your guard play. Pitts and Faneca would be a nice guard tandem. Put a promising Center between those two guys and you could have a really good point of attack. Maybe go after a top Center in the 4th Round or try and swipe a promising backup away from a team via FA or less likely, a trade.

As for Running back, we need a guy who has a burst and can break plays longer than 8 yards. Dayne isn't horrible at getting you 3-5 yards but just can't break the big play even if you give him a huge hole. I definitely dont want to overpay for Turner who is unproven....so I guess that means hoping a RB is one of your best players on the board in the 3rd Round.

Fix Secondary with 1st Round pick (kenny phillips FS or best CB available)
Fix OL with $$ (Faneca)
Fix Running Back with 3rd Round prospect and hope Green comes back.

If we can turn around just 2 of those 3 facets we could be relevant as early as next year.

santo
12-03-2007, 01:31 PM
I have seen the light. I had voted for a running back in the first round.

Now, I see we need a great LT, the best one this draft has to offer. I was hoping that last year the Texans did everything they could to trade up and take Joe Thomas (or pick Marshawn Lynch if they couldn't).

Oh well, but they can still pick up a running back in FA. IMO, if Michael Turner becomes available, sign him. If Julius Jones becomes available, sign him too. The Texans should at least try to sign one of them if not both and keep Dayne as a back-up.

That will free them up to take a good linebacker, CB, Safety, or any other need in the draft.

tulexan
12-03-2007, 03:10 PM
I have seen the light. I had voted for a running back in the first round.

Now, I see we need a great LT, the best one this draft has to offer. I was hoping that last year the Texans did everything they could to trade up and take Joe Thomas (or pick Marshawn Lynch if they couldn't).

Oh well, but they can still pick up a running back in FA. IMO, if Michael Turner becomes available, sign him. If Julius Jones becomes available, sign him too. The Texans should at least try to sign one of them if not both and keep Dayne as a back-up.

That will free them up to take a good linebacker, CB, Safety, or any other need in the draft.

I agree that we should try to fill the running back hole through free agency and address the offensive line hole(s) through the draft. I don't agree with signing Julius Jones and Michael Turner because that is unnecessary. Either one will do though.

TexansSeminole
12-03-2007, 03:46 PM
Oh well, but they can still pick up a running back in FA. IMO, if Michael Turner becomes available, sign him. If Julius Jones becomes available, sign him too. The Texans should at least try to sign one of them if not both and keep Dayne as a back-up.

That will free them up to take a good linebacker, CB, Safety, or any other need in the draft.

I agree with this. I would sign two guys if we are going to get rid of Ahman after this year. My thinking is that he is going to retire if his knee isn't going to allow him to play. Michael Turner isn't going to fix this running game on his own. He'll need backs like Dayne and another capable back to take carries as well. I'm not a big fan of Julius Jones or Ron Dayne really, but I would like for the Texans to look at acquiring two new capable backs.

santo
12-03-2007, 04:00 PM
I agree with this. I would sign two guys if we are going to get rid of Ahman after this year. My thinking is that he is going to retire if his knee isn't going to allow him to play. Michael Turner isn't going to fix this running game on his own. He'll need backs like Dayne and another capable back to take carries as well. I'm not a big fan of Julius Jones or Ron Dayne really, but I would like for the Texans to look at acquiring two new capable backs.


The reason I had said both because you can sign one for at least one year (prefably Julius Jones) and sign the other to a longer contract. They can release Ahman Green and Echamandu (or Walker) and keep Dayne as a backup.

I agree that Julius Jones is not a great running back but believe he is better than what the Texans have wasted their money on.

With Turner being the starting running back, Julius Jones can come in for relief.

Insideop
12-03-2007, 04:14 PM
Its all about Left Tackle. We need to get a young guy in here to guard the blind side. I think you have to break it down and say Dayne is a better RB than Salaam is a LT. In a draft thats deep at RB, you can get a servicable guy a little later.

That's the problem, it's not a deep draft at RB. In fact, if McFadden, Stewart, Jones, and Mendenhall (all Jr's) didn't come out, it would probably be one of the weakest drafts for RB's. These 4 will probably be gone by the mid 2nd round. So if we get a LT in the 1st, there may be no "servicable guy" to get later on. This Draft is deep at Tackle and CB, and that's good because those are 2 areas the Texans need help at.

For me, the best case scenario would be to trade back and get a 2nd rounder or another 3rd. If Stewart or Mendenhall are still on the board with our late round 1st pick, then take one. If not, then get that LT or CB we need. Then with that 2nd or extra 3rd we can get a top Center or the LT/CB we didn't get in the 1st. Either way, we do need to fix the O-line, and with the way this season has been going, I think Kubes & Smith will probably draft at least 3 more O-linemen. And, I wouldn't be surprised if one of them came in the 1st round. JMHO!

badboy
12-03-2007, 04:17 PM
The reason I had said both because you can sign one for at least one year (prefably Julius Jones) and sign the other to a longer contract. They can release Ahman Green and Echamandu (or Walker) and keep Dayne as a backup.

I agree that Julius Jones is not a great running back but believe he is better than what the Texans have wasted their money on.

With Turner being the starting running back, Julius Jones can come in for relief.I would not sign Jones but do not think he would sign for Texans for one year as he should be able to go elsewhere for multi years. My concern now is we will draft so close to high teens, we will not be able to get an offer of a 2nd in a trade down. I think we have more talent than last year, most of it is on IR or like Bennett and JJ, doing best that they can. If we can get a 2nd, we can alleviate needs at both LT and RB. I do not want any project players in rounds 1 through 4. We need players!

santo
12-03-2007, 04:38 PM
I would not sign Jones but do not think he would sign for Texans for one year as he should be able to go elsewhere for multi years. My concern now is we will draft so close to high teens, we will not be able to get an offer of a 2nd in a trade down. I think we have more talent than last year, most of it is on IR or like Bennett and JJ, doing best that they can. If we can get a 2nd, we can alleviate needs at both LT and RB. I do not want any project players in rounds 1 through 4. We need players!


Alright, Jones no, but Fargas, I heard he's good. The Texans can sign him and Turner and have two good/great running backs for once and not depend on one in the draft.

The Texans already passed on Marshawn Lynch in last years draft. Why take the gamble this year on a running back when they don't have a 2nd rounder and have so many other holes to fill.

They can sign good FA running backs and focus on getting the best players for the O-line and Safety/linebacker positions which I believe is a greater need that can be filled in the draft.

bah007
12-03-2007, 05:01 PM
Alright, Jones no, but Fargas, I heard he's good. The Texans can sign him and Turner and have two good/great running backs for once and not depend on one in the draft.

The Texans already passed on Marshawn Lynch in last years draft. Why take the gamble this year on a running back when they don't have a 2nd rounder and have so many other holes to fill.

They can sign good FA running backs and focus on getting the best players for the O-line and Safety/linebacker positions which I believe is a greater need that can be filled in the draft.

It's very unlikely that the Raiders will let Fargas go. He has come out of nowhere to become a reliable #1 RB.

TexansSeminole
12-03-2007, 05:04 PM
It's very unlikely that the Raiders will let Fargas go. He has come out of nowhere to become a reliable #1 RB.

They signed Dominic Rhodes last year and they still have Lamont Jordan as well. They will probably have to get rid of one of these guys.

I wouldn't take Lamont Jordan but I would take Dominic Rhodes or Justin Fargas. Fargas could pass 1,000 yards this year easily.

bah007
12-03-2007, 05:06 PM
They signed Dominic Rhodes last year and they still have Lamont Jordan as well. They will probably have to get rid of one of these guys.

I wouldn't take Lamont Jordan but I would take Dominic Rhodes or Justin Fargas. Fargas could pass 1,000 yards this year easily.

My money is on Rhodes. I dont think he's even seen the field this year.

And if not him, then Jordan.

Basically, I think they are positively keeping Fargas. Why wouldnt they?

santo
12-03-2007, 05:09 PM
It's very unlikely that the Raiders will let Fargas go. He has come out of nowhere to become a reliable #1 RB.


It's not up to Oakland to keep him, it's whether or not Fargas decides to sign with them.

He's a free agent. It's really up to the Texans if they decide to throw some $$$ his way and see if he'll bite.

TexansSeminole
12-03-2007, 05:14 PM
The Raiders will keep Fargas. They drafted him and he is turning out to be a good selection. Time to show him the money. That's how I see it anyway. The Raiders have a QB of the future in Russell, their future doesn't look too terrible on offense.

My guess is that Rhodes will get out of Oakland, or they let Jordan go, after Fargas resigns.

bah007
12-03-2007, 05:18 PM
It's not up to Oakland to keep him, it's whether or not Fargas decides to sign with them.

He's a free agent. It's really up to the Texans if they decide to throw some $$$ his way and see if he'll bite.

If they want him bad enough & he doesnt want to come back then they could franchise tag him, tho I dont know if he's worth that much.

santo
12-03-2007, 05:24 PM
If they want him bad enough & he doesnt want to come back then they could franchise tag him, tho I dont know if he's worth that much.


It's just some wishful thinking. Signing Fargas along with Turner would give this franchise something it has never seen before, a 1-2 punch coming out of the backfield.