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gwallaia
11-27-2007, 01:17 PM
790 reports Baylor has offered Briles a 10 year deal at 1.8 mil per year.
BCS Money rules college football.

Losing our coach to a dead end job like Baylor makes me hate the BCS and its endless supply of money even more.

eriadoc
11-27-2007, 01:19 PM
He hasn't accepted it yet? They just offered?

gwallaia
11-27-2007, 01:26 PM
No official word on acceptance.

But 10 years at 1.8 million is much more than UH could ever pay him. Baylor continues to be one of the worst football programs in the nation but still reaps the monetary benefits of being in a BCS conference.

It comes down to Art's loyalty to UH and $18 million dollars.

CLTEXAN_FAN
11-27-2007, 01:31 PM
I wonder what the buyout will be when they fire him in 4 or 5 years.

Briles is a good coach potentially going to a terrible situation. He did turn UH around but C-USA is no Big 12.

CLTEXAN_FAN
11-27-2007, 01:31 PM
Fran to UH?

gwallaia
11-27-2007, 01:36 PM
Fran to UH?

We have had our fair share of coaches with women's names.

Kim Helton, Dana Dimel, we don't need anyone named Fran. Even if its his last name.

Texan_Bill
11-27-2007, 01:36 PM
Fran to UH?

CL.. as you know I have ties to both A&M and UH... For God's sake man... NO!!!!!

CLTEXAN_FAN
11-27-2007, 01:44 PM
CL.. as you know I have ties to both A&M and UH... For God's sake man... NO!!!!!

I couldnt begin to imagine how bad that would be for you. Turns out SMU is interested in losing...I mean hiring Fran.

CLTEXAN_FAN
11-27-2007, 01:48 PM
We have had our fair share of coaches with women's names.

Kim Helton, Dana Dimel, we don't need anyone named Fran. Even if its his last name.

Whats up with that?

For your sake I hope you dont have to add another to your list.

Texan_Bill
11-27-2007, 01:48 PM
I couldnt begin to imagine how bad that would be for you. Turns out SMU is interested in losing...I mean hiring Fran.

What are they thinking?! They want the death penalty twice??? Once for cheating and once by Fran??

GlassHalfFull
11-27-2007, 01:49 PM
What are they thinking?! They want the death penalty twice??? Once for cheating and once by Fran??

He will probably go there, remember how to coach and do a great job :bat:

Texan_Bill
11-27-2007, 01:51 PM
He will probably go there, remember how to coach and do a great job :bat:

You know... You're probably right! :gun:

CLTEXAN_FAN
11-27-2007, 01:52 PM
He will probably go there, remember how to coach and do a great job :bat:

All he needs is another LT to resurect his career

4Texans
11-27-2007, 03:38 PM
That would double his salary. I think he could improve Baylor to a certain point.

Specnatz
11-27-2007, 03:41 PM
This would suck big time!!

gwallaia
11-27-2007, 04:47 PM
Chronicle reporting no offer made or deal accepted yet.

Texan_Bill
11-27-2007, 04:55 PM
Matt Jackson was saying earlier that he heard some grumblings from Alumns that are kinda pissed at Briles for putting out feelers ---- again.


On the other hand, how much can you blame Briles?! He has made UH football relevant again, but where can he really go with the program now!? Personally, I think he could do better than the Baylor job, but maybe not right now, unless Leach leaves Tech and he is offered that job.

gwallaia
11-27-2007, 04:58 PM
Rumors have been floating around in Cougar circles that Briles would take the TT job if Leach were to leave. But Baylor! The Baylor Bears for Christ's sake! Where coaches go to end their careers.

Hopefully he stays at UH.

Texan_Bill
11-27-2007, 05:08 PM
Rumors have been floating around in Cougar circles that Briles would take the TT job if Leach were to leave. But Baylor! The Baylor Bears for Christ's sake! Where coaches go to end their careers.

Hopefully he stays at UH.

Ultimately that would be the best best for everyone, I beleive. He can continue to pad his resume, while continue to build interest (interest = recruiting and fan support) in UH football.

I wouldn't wish the Baylor job on anyone except Major Applewhite... :stirpot:

:jk:

Maybe Nick Satan.

gwallaia
11-27-2007, 05:15 PM
We have been having a blast over at coogfans.com today.

painekiller
11-27-2007, 06:51 PM
I heard Leach was looking at the Arkansas job, if so then Briles could go to TT. Briles should throw his hat at Arkansas. I hate to see Houston loose him, but for his own his family and career.

Showtime100
11-27-2007, 07:00 PM
We have been having a blast over at coogfans.com today.

I need to start posting over there. I've been there for six months and haven't posted once. Great sigs.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
11-28-2007, 01:03 PM
1560 reporting Art Briles has accepted the job at Baylor. 7 yrs./1.8 mil per

gwallaia
11-28-2007, 01:08 PM
Good Luck Art.

But not even Art can help the Baylor Bears.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5335375.html

Yankee_In_TX
11-28-2007, 01:14 PM
Not even coaching the Texas Bowl. Was this the AD's decision?

I'll be in the Bullpen with a sign. "Baylor?!?!?!"

tulexan
11-28-2007, 01:17 PM
Not even coaching the Texas Bowl. Was this the AD's decision?

I'll be in the Bullpen with a sign. "Baylor?!?!?!"

Maybe the recruiting can't wait like what Tommy Bowden said after going undefeated with Tulane in 98 and leaving before the bowl game.

Nawzer
11-28-2007, 01:32 PM
Money talks.

threetoedpete
11-28-2007, 01:45 PM
790 reports Baylor has offered Briles a 10 year deal at 1.8 mil per year.
BCS Money rules college football.

Losing our coach to a dead end job like Baylor makes me hate the BCS and its endless supply of money even more.

I hear a lot of talk of University of Houston replacing Baylor as a participant in the big twelve south. OK. Put your money where your mouth is. Sell out the Texas bowl. Now the tea sips can put sixty thousand in the stands going to a pig kill when they play Rice. They can sell out the place when they play for the big twelve championship. I know, I’ve been there when they did it. What are you going to do this time? Your team is in a home town bowl. And this is the reason you will never, ever be invited to join a major conference. You are a commuter school whose main campus is in the middle of a ghetto. The main campus is a pig sty and apparently, no one gives a damn because it has been that way for fifty years that I know of. Got Kelo in your hip pocket.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/04-108.ZS.html
Don’t like it U of H, do something about it. Sell the game out and show the world you’ve turned the corner. Yeah, right. Now tell me another one. The name cougar high is apt. But you won’t because no one gives damn, especially your alumni. Must take some kind of doing to build so much iniquitous feelings from your former students whom owe you so much ?

Baylor a dead end job ? Please . Which is the pot ? Which is the kettle ?

Yankee_In_TX
11-28-2007, 01:52 PM
I hear a lot of talk of University of Houston replacing Baylor as a participant in the big twelve south. OK. Put your money where your mouth is. Sell out the Texas bowl. Now the tea sips can put sixty thousand in the stands going to a pig kill when they play Rice. They can sell out the place when they play for the big twelve championship. I know, Iíve been there when they did it. What are you going to do this time? Your team is in a home town bowl. And this is the reason you will never, ever be invited to join a major conference. You are a commuter school whose main campus is in the middle of ghetto. The main campus is a pig sty and apparently, no one gives a damn because it has been that way for fifty years that I know of. Got Kelo in your hip pocket.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/04-108.ZS.html
Donít like it U of H, do something about it. Sell the game out and show the world youíve turned the corner. Yeah, right. Now tell me another one. The name cougar high is apt. But you wonít because no one gives damn, especially your alumni. Must take some kind of doing to build so much iniquitous feelings from your former students whom owe you so much ?

Baylor a dead end job ? Please . Which is the pot ? Which is the kettle ?

U of H is a tough job because the school is a commuter school and a night school. You don't get the same "college pride" or alumni base most universities had.

However, if U of H was in the Big 12 and Baylor got booted, then U of H >>> Baylor. With all the $ up there in Waco, they have no excuses.

Vinny
11-28-2007, 01:53 PM
sucks for the Coogs. I feel for everyone there and it's too bad the old SWC had to go belly up years ago and ruin a great conference. I think Briles has a chance to make Baylor the Ole Miss of the big 12. He's a heck of a coach.

Texan_Bill
11-28-2007, 01:53 PM
Money talks.

True, but I hope Briles saves his money over the next 7 years (if he lasts that long), because the Baylor job could be a career ending move as far HC's go...

I wish him well and appreciate him for the job he's done.

HoustonFrog
11-28-2007, 02:03 PM
I hear a lot of talk of University of Houston replacing Baylor as a participant in the big twelve south. OK. Put your money where your mouth is. Sell out the Texas bowl. Now the tea sips can put sixty thousand in the stands going to a pig kill when they play Rice. They can sell out the place when they play for the big twelve championship. I know, I’ve been there when they did it. What are you going to do this time? Your team is in a home town bowl. And this is the reason you will never, ever be invited to join a major conference. You are a commuter school whose main campus is in the middle of ghetto. The main campus is a pig sty and apparently, no one gives a damn because it has been that way for fifty years that I know of. Got Kelo in your hip pocket.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/04-108.ZS.html
Don’t like it U of H, do something about it. Sell the game out and show the world you’ve turned the corner. Yeah, right. Now tell me another one. The name cougar high is apt. But you won’t because no one gives damn, especially your alumni. Must take some kind of doing to build so much iniquitous feelings from your former students whom owe you so much ?

Baylor a dead end job ? Please . Which is the pot ? Which is the kettle ?

Hell if anyone deserves to be in the Big XII it is TCU. They had an off year this year but up until this year and the UT game they

• The Horned Frogs are 9-1 against teams from Bowl Championship Series conferences, .
• Their five-game winning streak against Big 12 teams is the second longest behind Oklahoma (eight).
• They are among only five teams in the nation to have three 11-win seasons in the past four years, joining Southern California, Oklahoma, LSU and Boise State.
• They have been to bowls in seven of the last eight years

They beat UH the last time they played them. Baylor has been their punk 2 years straight.

Briles is a good coach though and I think he can do a little something at Baylor.

Errant Hothy
11-28-2007, 02:03 PM
sucks for the Coogs. I feel for everyone there and it's too bad the old SWC had to go belly up years ago and ruin a great conference. I think Briles has a chance to make Baylor the Ole Miss of the big 12. He's a heck of a coach.

That statement confusses me, aminly because isn't Baylor already the Ole Miss of the Big 12, well minus the insane number of foxy co-eds and great tailgating in The Grove?

Am I the only one who finds the rapidity of the last few hires to be a little shocking? Has either A&M, Baylor or Ole Miss even interviewed more then 1 canidate? And how long before we hear about the lack of minority interviews?

HOU-TEX
11-28-2007, 02:04 PM
I think he might make Baylor a better team, but still won't be able to compete against the Big 12 South. He's in a no win situation for sure. Maybe he's doing it for the money? Maybe he's doing it in order to get his name Nationally recognized for later employment? Who knows??:cool:

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Bayor have higher academic requirements than the rest of the Big 12 South?

Vinny
11-28-2007, 02:04 PM
That statement confusses me, aminly because isn't Baylor already the Ole Miss of the Big 12, well minus the insane number of foxy co-eds and great tailgating in The Grove?

Am I the only one who finds the rapidity of the last few hires to be a little shocking? Has either A&M, Baylor or Ole Miss even interviewed more then 1 canidate? And how long before we hear about the lack of minority interviews?Baylor doesn't do near as well in the Big 12 as Ole Miss does in the SEC.....I used to live in Oxford...the Grove is indeed a great place for tailgating.

threetoedpete
11-28-2007, 02:16 PM
U of H is a tough job because the school is a commuter school and a night school. You don't get the same "college pride" or alumni base most universities had.

However, if U of H was in the Big 12 and Baylor got booted, then U of H >>> Baylor. With all the $ up there in Waco, they have no excuses.

The rapes that break out biannualy don't help the image out much either. Working poor kids whose prarents eek out tuition, I get it. Tired of the whininng.
Obviously, the power stucture of the city of Houton and Harris county like it just the way it is. Stop whinning.

Yankee_In_TX
11-28-2007, 02:18 PM
And how long before we hear about the lack of minority interviews?

Already going on and already started a thread, lol.

Yankee_In_TX
11-28-2007, 02:23 PM
Stop whinning.

Whining? Who's whining? I whine about the BCS. I whine about opposing fans in the Bullpen.

I am simply pointing out the problems U of H faces that I have observed in the two and a half years I have been there.

Mr teX
11-28-2007, 02:37 PM
I hear a lot of talk of University of Houston replacing Baylor as a participant in the big twelve south. OK. Put your money where your mouth is. Sell out the Texas bowl. Now the tea sips can put sixty thousand in the stands going to a pig kill when they play Rice. They can sell out the place when they play for the big twelve championship. I know, I’ve been there when they did it. What are you going to do this time? Your team is in a home town bowl. And this is the reason you will never, ever be invited to join a major conference. You are a commuter school whose main campus is in the middle of a ghetto. The main campus is a pig sty and apparently, no one gives a damn because it has been that way for fifty years that I know of. Got Kelo in your hip pocket.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/04-108.ZS.html
Don’t like it U of H, do something about it. Sell the game out and show the world you’ve turned the corner. Yeah, right. Now tell me another one. The name cougar high is apt. But you won’t because no one gives damn, especially your alumni. Must take some kind of doing to build so much iniquitous feelings from your former students whom owe you so much ?

Baylor a dead end job ? Please . Which is the pot ? Which is the kettle ?

This is all BS... baylor is a dead end job & even there own alumni (john McClain) admits it.

With the way you talk, Baylor must sell out every game & win 9 plus games a year in Football. That has to be why they deserve to be in a BCS conference & UH or TCU for that matter don't. I see those tarps covering the stands in the background when i peek in on there games every now & then, they aren't exactly setting attendance records either. I would venture to say that the only time they even come close to filling their stands is when they're playing a perennially ranked opponent or someone they consider a rival. Oh, what a coincidence, U of H does the same thing, & as you say i know i've seen it. Put U of H in a conference with its old rivals & it would surely do at least the same things baylor has been doing since it's been in the Big 12. USC is in the middle of the "ghetto", doesn't exactly limit what they've been able to do the last 5 years. You have no point whatsoever.

At least we're relevant in more than 2 major sports. Outside of baseball & track & field Baylor does absolutely nothing.


As far as briles, i'm a little disappointed with his departure, but i can understand, i'd leave too if my salary was being doubled & i had a significantly better shot at getting to a BCS bowl & the possibility of playing for the NC was open to my program.

76Texan
11-28-2007, 02:58 PM
The one thing I'm afraid is that Robert Griffin may change his mind and join Art Briles instead.

How good of a track program does the Bears have, anybody knows?

Showtime100
11-28-2007, 03:02 PM
The rapes that break out biannualy don't help the image out much either. Working poor kids whose prarents eek out tuition, I get it. Tired of the whininng.
Obviously, the power stucture of the city of Houton and Harris county like it just the way it is. Stop whinning.

If you want to call it whining, I'll take his "whinning" over your griping (and BTW Why??) anyday. My "prarents" went to U of H and both provided we with a good "stucture" with which to build. I have been a "Houton" Cougar and I love the school.

You are the one "whininng" and about what??? Good God. As a courtesy why don't you at least proofread your posts or hit spell check. I make 'em too, but Geeezus. I only see this many misspelled words "biannualy."

Hottoddie
11-28-2007, 03:09 PM
When did contracts become nothing more than a piece of paper? Unless I'm totally confused, contracts are still considered a binding agreement on both parties. While I appreciate the stability that Briles has brought to the team, I've got to admit that this move is causing me to lose respect for the man.

Oh well, having said that, let's pony up the cash & sign R.C. Slocum like we should've done in the first place.

gg no re
11-28-2007, 03:10 PM
threetoedpete what duck from Oregon came out from under a rock and teabagged you today?

I think one of the great tragedies about UH is that everyone outside the state of Texas talk about how it's a pretty good university, yet the people who live closest to it are the ones who will most likely shit on it every chance they got, and that's a damn shame.

Mr teX
11-28-2007, 03:18 PM
The one thing I'm afraid is that Robert Griffin may change his mind and join Art Briles instead.

How good of a track program does the Bears have, anybody knows?

04' Jeremy Wariner & Donald Williamson..... & of course 96' Micheal Johnson...... I'd say it's pretty good.

austintexanite
11-28-2007, 03:53 PM
Personally, I think he can bring respect to that program. Not immediate impact, but in three years. I hope he can bring in some good talent for that program. Either way, it will be fun when Texas plays them.

76Texan
11-28-2007, 04:21 PM
04' Jeremy Wariner & Donald Williamson..... & of course 96' Micheal Johnson...... I'd say it's pretty good.Yeah, I guess Baylor has been quite decent in track & field.

I just read that if he runs track only, Griffin would have stayed at Baylor to be close to home.

But I also read that he loves basketball.
I hope Penders get him to watch all the Coogs' games during the holiday season.

He's supposed to graduate in December and enroll in college in the Spring.

texasguy346
11-28-2007, 04:32 PM
As a former Baylor Bear I'm very excited about the move. I think Briles can get the Bears moving in the right direction & I'm prepared to give him all the time he needs to get things back on track. He might want to start trying to figure out how to clone Mike Singletary.

gwallaia
11-28-2007, 04:38 PM
You are a commuter school whose main campus is in the middle of a ghetto. The main campus is a pig sty and apparently, no one gives a damn because it has been that way for fifty years that I know of?

You obviously have never been on the main campus of UH.

Sadly, for whatever reason, we do not have enough die-hard fans. Personally, I have been a season ticket holder since I graduated from UH in 1990 and have only missed a few home games in that time. But yes, attendance is terrible. I don't know what the solution is.

Yankee_In_TX
11-28-2007, 04:42 PM
You obviously have never been on the main campus of UH.

Sadly, for whatever reason, we do not have enough die-hard fans. Personally, I have been a season ticket holder since I graduated from UH in 1990 and have only missed a few home games in that time. But yes, attendance is terrible. I don't know what the solution is.

New buildings + new housing + new stores = more students on campus = more students going to games = more students who graduate and care about U of H football.

And they're building all 3 of those. But foreign, adult, or full time students living off campus simply aren't going to catch any U of H football spirit.

Texan_Bill
11-28-2007, 04:44 PM
You obviously have never been on the main campus of UH.

Sadly, for whatever reason, we do not have enough die-hard fans. Personally, I have been a season ticket holder since I graduated from UH in 1990 and have only missed a few home games in that time. But yes, attendance is terrible. I don't know what the solution is.

Maybe... Just maybe, its time to move the games back off campus. I try to make it to at least half the home games each year, but I cant make it to them all.

gwallaia
11-28-2007, 05:22 PM
Baylor a dead end job ? Please ?

I only state that threetoedpete for the following reason.

Baylor Head Coaches

Dave Roberts 1997-1998
Record 4-18

Kevin Steele 1999-2002
Record 9-36

Guy Morriss 2003-2007
Record 18-40

Overall Big 12 record during this time period 10-78

ArlingtonTexan
11-28-2007, 06:01 PM
:includeme:

Lucky
11-28-2007, 06:43 PM
I think it's a good hire for Baylor. I think Kansas has proved that a Big 12 program can be turned around with the right coach.

I hope UH doesn't have knee jerk hire, just because of recruiting season. And I hope they do look at minority candidates. For all of Art Briles' strong points, he didn't do a great job of recruiting inner city Houston. Maybe a minority head coach could turn that around. I'd certainly give Florida defensive coordinator Charlie Strong a call.

gwallaia
11-28-2007, 07:02 PM
I think it's a good hire for Baylor. I think Kansas has proved that a Big 12 program can be turned around with the right coach.

I hope UH doesn't have knee jerk hire, just because of recruiting season. And I hope they do look at minority candidates. For all of Art Briles' strong points, he didn't do a great job of recruiting inner city Houston. Maybe a minority head coach could turn that around. I'd certainly give Florida defensive coordinator Charlie Strong a call.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/gwallaia/485680.jpgMike Locksley, the OC for Illinois has been mentioned.

Other names that are cropping up in the rumor mills, June Jones, Major Applewhite and the OC from Okie State. Larry Fedora.

Speedy
11-28-2007, 07:20 PM
When did contracts become nothing more than a piece of paper? Unless I'm totally confused, contracts are still considered a binding agreement on both parties. While I appreciate the stability that Briles has brought to the team, I've got to admit that this move is causing me to lose respect for the man.

Oh well, having said that, let's pony up the cash & sign R.C. Slocum like we should've done in the first place.

Please, there isn't anybody here that wouldn't take $1.8M over $900K. I'm disappointed that he's leaving, but losing respect for him? I don't think so.

Yankee_In_TX
11-28-2007, 07:25 PM
Please, there isn't anybody here that wouldn't take $1.8M over $900K. I'm disappointed that he's leaving, but losing respect for him? I don't think so.

QFT - he's getting money to set him for life, and he's getting to play with the big boys in the Big 12. I don't blame him.



No Major Applewhite, we'll lose him when Mack retires, along with all of our recruits.

76Texan
11-28-2007, 07:43 PM
QFT - he's getting money to set him for life, and he's getting to play with the big boys in the Big 12. I don't blame him.



No Major Applewhite, we'll lose him when Mack retires, along with all of our recruits.
I told Diapher and CLTexan and Gary during the year that I thought either A&M or Nebraska could easily lure him away.
But Waco is closer to his hometown in Rule (Besides Lubbock - as he was also mentioned for the gig at TT.)
$1.8MM just seal the deal.

Hottoddie
11-28-2007, 07:50 PM
Please, there isn't anybody here that wouldn't take $1.8M over $900K. I'm disappointed that he's leaving, but losing respect for him? I don't think so.

So you believe that a signed legally binding contract means nothing in a court of law? I can guarantee you that if the U of H had decided to let him go for a higher profile coach, Briles would've held them to the letter of the law on that contract & made them pay him every penny of the agreement.

Now, while no university wants to keep a coach that doesn't want to be there, there should be some kind of compensation given. What really makes this stink to the high heavens is that he signed the new contract just last year.

Maybe keeping your word & honoring your agreements means nothing to you, but it tells me a lot about an individual's character. Thus, I've lost some respect for him.

tulexan
11-28-2007, 08:05 PM
So you believe that a signed legally binding contract means nothing in a court of law? I can guarantee you that if the U of H had decided to let him go for a higher profile coach, Briles would've held them to the letter of the law on that contract & made them pay him every penny of the agreement.

Now, while no university wants to keep a coach that doesn't want to be there, there should be some kind of compensation given. What really makes this stink to the high heavens is that he signed the new contract just last year.

Maybe keeping your word & honoring your agreements means nothing to you, but it tells me a lot about an individual's character. Thus, I've lost some respect for him.

If you don't want your coach to leave early, then put language in the contract to prevent it. They didn't so he is leaving, I don't blame him for doubling his salary and coaching on a bigger stage.

gwallaia
11-28-2007, 08:06 PM
Art Briles is now the 15th highest paid college football coach in the country.

76Texan
11-28-2007, 08:06 PM
So you believe that a signed legally binding contract means nothing in a court of law? I can guarantee you that if the U of H had decided to let him go for a higher profile coach, Briles would've held them to the letter of the law on that contract & made them pay him every penny of the agreement.

Now, while no university wants to keep a coach that doesn't want to be there, there should be some kind of compensation given. What really makes this stink to the high heavens is that he signed the new contract just last year.

Maybe keeping your word & honoring your agreements means nothing to you, but it tells me a lot about an individual's character. Thus, I've lost some respect for him.It's pretty much a standard contract.
Briles can leave under provision 6.4.2

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/HoustonCoachesHotSeat.pdf

Yankee_In_TX
11-28-2007, 08:34 PM
So you believe that a signed legally binding contract means nothing in a court of law? I can guarantee you that if the U of H had decided to let him go for a higher profile coach, Briles would've held them to the letter of the law on that contract & made them pay him every penny of the agreement.

Now, while no university wants to keep a coach that doesn't want to be there, there should be some kind of compensation given. What really makes this stink to the high heavens is that he signed the new contract just last year.

Maybe keeping your word & honoring your agreements means nothing to you, but it tells me a lot about an individual's character. Thus, I've lost some respect for him.


There was a $300k buyout. More prestigious universities have multi-millions buyouts. I don't think anyone would coach U of H if they tried that.

Speedy
11-28-2007, 10:11 PM
So you believe that a signed legally binding contract means nothing in a court of law? I can guarantee you that if the U of H had decided to let him go for a higher profile coach, Briles would've held them to the letter of the law on that contract & made them pay him every penny of the agreement.

Now, while no university wants to keep a coach that doesn't want to be there, there should be some kind of compensation given. What really makes this stink to the high heavens is that he signed the new contract just last year.

Maybe keeping your word & honoring your agreements means nothing to you, but it tells me a lot about an individual's character. Thus, I've lost some respect for him.

Then you pretty much have no respect for any coach then? Because it's done all the time by anyone who wins at a lower school who then gets the offer from a bigger school.

Any coach that fills the jobs created the last week or so, will more than likely be a coach getting out of a contract where he is currently. A&M, Arkansas, Michigan and so on. If that's how you feel about Briles, then that has to be your attitude towards almost any coach. Correct?

And no, I didn't say that a contract didn't mean anything to me. But obviously there's a legal way out of those contracts or these coaches wouldn't be getting out of them every single season, some the very next day after signing an extension.

Hottoddie
11-29-2007, 01:11 AM
Well, I guess I must be old fashioned then. I believe that a man is only as good as his word. I don't fault the man for wanting more money, but if you sign the contract, at least to me, that's the same as giving your word.

I also have serious issues with pro players having a good year & demanding their contracts be reworked. Just once, I'd like to hear a player step up to take a pay cut after having a bad year. Same goes for coaches.

As for the $300K buyout clause, the U of H needs to rewrite it to say the coach has to serve at least half of it before buying out. Otherwise, they might as well start farming through the peewee leagues for coaches.

I don't watch too much college ball, but I do cheer on the local teams, especially the U of H & Rice. I'd like to see us get back to the days when the U of H was taken seriously by the powerhouse teams. If we can't compete financially for the best coaches in the country, then we'll never be any more than practice fodder for the real teams. :rant:

Texan_Bill
11-29-2007, 08:16 AM
Art Briles is now the 15th highest paid college football coach in the country.

Not to mention, Waco is a hop-skip and a jump away from Stephenville.

So, 1.8 million (or double current salary), Big XII (albeit at a dead-end job), AND super close to home?!?!? I cant say I blame the man!!!

Mr teX
11-29-2007, 09:52 AM
You obviously have never been on the main campus of UH.

Sadly, for whatever reason, we do not have enough die-hard fans. Personally, I have been a season ticket holder since I graduated from UH in 1990 and have only missed a few home games in that time. But yes, attendance is terrible. I don't know what the solution is.

To continue to win plain & simple. Yeah it's a commuter school, but football is king in texas especially in houston. You know how houston fans are. Being in a conference where all of your in-state rivals are would help as there are lots of transplant aggies & longhorns, horned frogs & red raiders here in houston. Students aren't the only ones who attend games, a vast majority of fans at college football games are alumni as well.
I just think that people undersell these 2 things way too often when they talk about our attendance & why we haven't been able to get back to how we were before the demise of the SWC. It's kind of hard for any teams fans to get up for games against the likes of central florida, memphis, tulsa & UTEP.... you don't have any real ties/history with them. Contrast this with the SEC where most of those teams have been playing against each other since god knows how long.

StarStruck
11-29-2007, 09:54 AM
Art Briles is now the 15th highest paid college football coach in the country.


Coach Briles has a history of being a highly paid football coach. He first caught my attention over 10 years ago when he was the highest paid high school head coach in Texas. Even though Stephenville was a 4A school, his salary was around a hundred grand then. I found it interesting that the HC salary has decreased about $25K since he left. My best wishes as he continues to grow in his coaching responsibilities and financially.

tulexan
11-29-2007, 10:05 AM
Well, I guess I must be old fashioned then. I believe that a man is only as good as his word. I don't fault the man for wanting more money, but if you sign the contract, at least to me, that's the same as giving your word.

I also have serious issues with pro players having a good year & demanding their contracts be reworked. Just once, I'd like to hear a player step up to take a pay cut after having a bad year. Same goes for coaches.

As for the $300K buyout clause, the U of H needs to rewrite it to say the coach has to serve at least half of it before buying out. Otherwise, they might as well start farming through the peewee leagues for coaches.

I don't watch too much college ball, but I do cheer on the local teams, especially the U of H & Rice. I'd like to see us get back to the days when the U of H was taken seriously by the powerhouse teams. If we can't compete financially for the best coaches in the country, then we'll never be any more than practice fodder for the real teams. :rant:

He is a man of his word though. If he left and refused to pay the buyout, then he wouldn't be. Basically the contract is saying that he will work there for x years and if he leaves early he will pay y dollars.

StarStruck
11-29-2007, 10:23 AM
As for the $300K buyout clause, the U of H needs to rewrite it to say the coach has to serve at least half of it before buying out. Otherwise, they might as well start farming through the peewee leagues for coaches.

I don't watch too much college ball, but I do cheer on the local teams, especially the U of H & Rice. I'd like to see us get back to the days when the U of H was taken seriously by the powerhouse teams. If we can't compete financially for the best coaches in the country, then we'll never be any more than practice fodder for the real teams. :rant:

Have you ever worked with or for someone that doesn't want to be there for whatever reason? If so, then think of a team's morale and performance in having to work with someone that obviously being bound against his wishes.

I think that a buyout clause is good deal for both. If he under performs, then you don't need him to stick around, and if he is offered twice the salary that you can't or won't match, then the plan is a good option.

Yankee_In_TX
11-29-2007, 10:46 AM
As for the $300K buyout clause, the U of H needs to rewrite it to say the coach has to serve at least half of it before buying out. Otherwise, they might as well start farming through the peewee leagues for coaches.


I understand how you feel, but if U of H wants to land decent coaches, their contracts can't be too restricting.

cuppacoffee
11-29-2007, 10:59 AM
There was a $300k buyout. More prestigious universities have multi-millions buyouts. I don't think anyone would coach U of H if they tried that.

That should just about cover the cost of the jet fuel used to fly around the country looking for a replacement.

I hate to see Briles leave, but I understand it.

I always cheer on the Coogs. Loved it when they joined the SWC.

Didn't they beat the Horns their first year in the SWC?..:D

:coffee:

painekiller
11-29-2007, 11:39 AM
Now might be the time to call Major Applewhite. Give him his 1st HC job. Then the question is do you stay an OC at Bama in the SEC or become the man in Conference USA at Houston?

76Texan
11-29-2007, 11:40 AM
How about this guy as the Coogs' new HC: Gus Malzahn

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gus_Malzahn

He probably was the reason Tulsa beat us this year.

Texan_Bill
11-29-2007, 11:45 AM
Now might be the time to call Major Applewhite. Give him his 1st HC job. Then the question is do you stay an OC at Bama in the SEC or become the man in Conference USA at Houston?

That is a good question. Does he get his stepping stone HC job now, or does he stay as an OC with a big program biding his time.....? :hmmm:

I wouldn't mind him as the Coogs HC, and might even forgive him for being a 'sip.

Mr teX
11-29-2007, 11:50 AM
That is a good question. Does he get his stepping stone HC job now, or does he stay as an OC with a big program biding his time.....? :hmmm:

I wouldn't mind him as the Coogs HC, and might even forgive him for being a 'sip.


nice

HoustonFrog
11-29-2007, 11:53 AM
The coaching ranks really is a funny thing. One of my best friends is in the profession. He played football with me in high school and is one of my best friends. He is a young Bill Walsh desciple. Played middle LB and was academic All-American at Stanford. Captain on their team. He coached as a grad asst under Walsh. Then he was one of the youngest LB coahces at Hawaii. Coached under Neuiheisal at Washington. Went back to Stanford under Buddy Teevins and was a D Coordinator in his young 30s. Was D Coordinator at San Jose State and now is asst special teams coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars. He is young, African-American, smart, as I said a Bill Walsh guy, and I'm still waiting for people to bring him on as a head coach. He had a shot at Stanford but they lost their Athletic Director. UT was going to hire him as their LB coach but they gave it to the UH guy who had UT connections. I love Applewhite but wonder how a few years as a coordinator all of a sudden makes him ready. It is just name recognition.

Texan_Bill
11-29-2007, 12:26 PM
The coaching ranks really is a funny thing. One of my best friends is in the profession. He played football with me in high school and is one of my best friends. He is a young Bill Walsh desciple. Played middle LB and was academic All-American at Stanford. Captain on their team. He coached as a grad asst under Walsh. Then he was one of the youngest LB coahces at Hawaii. Coached under Neuiheisal at Washington. Went back to Stanford under Buddy Teevins and was a D Coordinator in his young 30s. Was D Coordinator at San Jose State and now is asst special teams coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars. He is young, African-American, smart, as I said a Bill Walsh guy, and I'm still waiting for people to bring him on as a head coach. He had a shot at Stanford but they lost their Athletic Director. UT was going to hire him as their LB coach but they gave it to the UH guy who had UT connections. I love Applewhite but wonder how a few years as a coordinator all of a suuden makes him ready. It is just name recognition.

Mr. Maggard.... Paging Mr. Maggard..... Mr. Dave Maggard.......

threetoedpete
11-29-2007, 12:27 PM
threetoedpete what duck from Oregon came out from under a rock and teabagged you today?

I think one of the great tragedies about UH is that everyone outside the state of Texas talk about how it's a pretty good university, yet the people who live closest to it are the ones who will most likely shit on it every chance they got, and that's a damn shame.

Buy a friken ticket.

HoustonFrog
11-29-2007, 01:17 PM
Mr. Maggard.... Paging Mr. Maggard..... Mr. Dave Maggard.......

Here is his bio if anyone is interested. He is going to be a great hire for someone someday and is beyond a quality guy...not just because he is a close friend and let me live on his couch out in California for 3 months.

http://www.jaguars.com/team/Coach.aspx?id=2694

HOU-TEX
11-29-2007, 01:44 PM
Here is his bio if anyone is interested. He is going to be a great hire for someone someday and is beyond a quality guy...not just because he is a close friend and let me live on his couch out in California for 3 months.

http://www.jaguars.com/team/Coach.aspx?id=2694

Obviously you've informed him of the UH situation, correct? Would he even consider UH? What did he say? Send that dadgum resume'. :)

Texan_Bill
11-29-2007, 01:46 PM
Here is his bio if anyone is interested. He is going to be a great hire for someone someday and is beyond a quality guy...not just because he is a close friend and let me live on his couch out in California for 3 months.

http://www.jaguars.com/team/Coach.aspx?id=2694

Pretty impressive...

Obviously you've informed him of the UH situation, correct? Would he even consider UH? What did he say? Send that dadgum resume'. :)

Exactly!! Send it already!!

HoustonFrog
11-29-2007, 01:57 PM
Obviously you've informed him of the UH situation, correct? Would he even consider UH? What did he say? Send that dadgum resume'. :)

I tried talking to him the other day but it is tough to get him late in game weeks. I e-mailed him too. I'm not even sure what he is looking for right now when it comes to that. He was trying to get one a few years back but he really seems to enjoy the pros now. All I know is that he is a quality young guy that should move up. Many of his jobs were blessed through Walsh so it has been a tough year with his passing. We will see.

HOU-TEX
11-29-2007, 02:00 PM
I tried talking to him the other day but it is tough to get him late in game weeks. I e-mailed him too. I'm not even sure what he is looking for right now when it comes to that. He was trying to get one a few years back but he really seems to enjoy the pros now. All I know is that he is a quality young guy that should move up. Many of his jobs were blessed through Walsh so it has been a tough year with his passing. We will see.

I'd think having a Walsh background would immensely increase his chances anywhere. :cool:

gwallaia
11-29-2007, 02:22 PM
Apparently Maggard has already interviewed one candidate.

Those names on the rumor mill so far are

Tony Fittzpatrick -UH Assistant Coach and defensive line coach (I really like this guy)

Major Applewhite: Offensive Coordinator/Quarterback coach at Alabama (only 29 years old)

Joe DeForest: Associate Head Coach/Secondary/Special Teams Coordinator at Oklahoma State

Todd Dodge: Head Coach, North Texas

Mike Locksley - OC Illinois

Larry Fedora: Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks coach, Oklahoma State

Bobby Hauck: Head Coach, Montana

Michael Haywood: Offensive Coordinator/Runningbacks coach at Notre Dame

June Jones: Head coach, Hawaii (I've been told that it ain't happenin', that JJ's not interested)

Gus Malzahn: Assistant Head Coach and co-Offensive Coordinator, Tulsa

Kevin Sumlin: Offensive Coordinator Oklahoma

Some of the Cougar faithful are tossing around John Jenkins name around as OC, but I really do not see that happening.

I have highlighted the choices I like.

gg no re
11-29-2007, 03:29 PM
Buy a friken ticket.
And get off that porcupine, it doesn't make for a good seat cushion.

Also clear away the thumbtacks from your bedroom floor, it's never pleasant to step on them when you wake up.

When you shower, your options aren't limited to scalding hot or freezing cold.

When you turn on your radio, you don't have to listen to Soulja Boy cranking it, there's stations that play classic rock.

What I'm trying to say here is chillax, you're lashing out at UH for no reason. I mean seriously, those biannual rape comments were pretty extreme.

HOU-TEX
11-29-2007, 03:37 PM
Apparently Maggard has already interviewed one candidate.

Those names on the rumor mill so far are

Tony Fittzpatrick -UH Assistant Coach and defensive line coach (I really like this guy)

Major Applewhite: Offensive Coordinator/Quarterback coach at Alabama (only 29 years old)

Joe DeForest: Associate Head Coach/Secondary/Special Teams Coordinator at Oklahoma State

Todd Dodge: Head Coach, North Texas

Mike Locksley - OC Illinois

Larry Fedora: Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks coach, Oklahoma State

Bobby Hauck: Head Coach, Montana

Michael Haywood: Offensive Coordinator/Runningbacks coach at Notre Dame

June Jones: Head coach, Hawaii (I've been told that it ain't happenin', that JJ's not interested)

Gus Malzahn: Assistant Head Coach and co-Offensive Coordinator, Tulsa

Kevin Sumlin: Offensive Coordinator Oklahoma

Some of the Cougar faithful are tossing around John Jenkins name around as OC, but I really do not see that happening.

I have highlighted the choices I like.

I've heard alot of good things about Fedora and Malzahn. I wouldn't be upset with either one of them.

Kevin Sumlin??? Hadn't heard of that one.

Texan_Bill
11-29-2007, 03:37 PM
Apparently Maggard has already interviewed one candidate.

Those names on the rumor mill so far are

Tony Fittzpatrick -UH Assistant Coach and defensive line coach (I really like this guy)

Major Applewhite: Offensive Coordinator/Quarterback coach at Alabama (only 29 years old)

Joe DeForest: Associate Head Coach/Secondary/Special Teams Coordinator at Oklahoma State

Todd Dodge: Head Coach, North Texas

Mike Locksley - OC Illinois

Larry Fedora: Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks coach, Oklahoma State

Bobby Hauck: Head Coach, Montana

Michael Haywood: Offensive Coordinator/Runningbacks coach at Notre Dame

June Jones: Head coach, Hawaii (I've been told that it ain't happenin', that JJ's not interested)

Gus Malzahn: Assistant Head Coach and co-Offensive Coordinator, Tulsa

Kevin Sumlin: Offensive Coordinator Oklahoma

Some of the Cougar faithful are tossing around John Jenkins name around as OC, but I really do not see that happening.

I have highlighted the choices I like.


Fitzpatrick....? He's the pretty animated defensive coach - right??

76Texan
11-29-2007, 04:19 PM
Fitzpatrick....? He's the pretty animated defensive coach - right??

Yeah, he was with Houston Sport Radio doing color for the Cougars' games for quite a while.
I think D-H has some issues with Tony.
He wasn't allowed to try out for the team some time ago.

gwallaia
11-29-2007, 04:50 PM
The players apparently really like Coach Fittzpatrick and he was a big help in Briles recruiting over the years.

gwallaia
11-29-2007, 05:08 PM
Maggard has hired Jason Phillips to the interim staff. Jason Phillips of course was a UH receiver during the R&S Glory Days of Ware and Klingler and was the UH assistant coach before being hired away by Baylor last year. Phillips is now back where he belongs at UH.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/sports/5339740.html