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BSofA04
11-18-2007, 04:19 PM
Throughout the season, many fans have voiced their concerns for the Houston secondary. Many of those concerns have been targeted to Faggins. With the emergance of Bennett, should the Texans look to go at another critical need this next draft? Has the play of Fred Bennett solidfied him as the #2 CB on the Texans?

IMO, Bennett has a lot of upside and has outplayed Faggins for the starting position. Does this justify going for another critical need as opposed to drafting a CB or safety? You tell me.

TexansSeminole
11-18-2007, 04:27 PM
It doesn't for me. To win our division we have to go through the Colts. When you play the colts, your nickel corner is a starter. We aren't going to hold that Colt's passing game in check with 2 solid corners. We are going to need another corner. Faggins or a Faggins like corner at our nickel will not work. Most teams good teams have 3 corners that could probably start.

Plus, corner is a high injury prone position. Having a guy that can step up to #2 corner off of that #3 corner spot if someone goes down with injury without us having to worry would be extremely helpful.

Not to mention the different blitzes and such out of that nickel and dime set that favor teams with multiple solid man to man defenders.

PapaL
11-18-2007, 04:37 PM
One game down - rest of season to figure it out.

rollinstone18
11-18-2007, 05:19 PM
I'd still draft Malcolm Jenkins if he's available (assuming we can't trade down).

Ole Miss Texan
11-18-2007, 05:32 PM
We don't need a Left Tackle either because Spencer will come back 100% healthy and not lose a step. :sarcasm:

Mr PC
11-18-2007, 05:58 PM
my opinion is we dont need spend a first day draft pick on a CB, nor should we sign an expensive FA corner (assuming Dunta can return next year). If D-Rob isnt back for next season then it becomes more of an issue. Both Bennet and Hutchins played well this game. Add in Robinson and Id say the CB unit is solid.

CC Brown is still starting for the Texans at safety. The unit will never be elite until this changes. I place safety as a higher priority than corner.

(Left Tackle is the most pressing need of all IMO.)

TexansSeminole
11-18-2007, 06:03 PM
my opinion is we dont need spend a first day draft pick on a CB, nor should we sign an expensive FA corner (assuming Dunta can return next year). If D-Rob isnt back for next season then it becomes more of an issue. Both Bennet and Hutchins played well this game. Add in Robinson and Id say the CB unit is solid.

CC Brown is still starting for the Texans at safety. The unit will never be elite until this changes. I place safety as a higher priority than corner.

(Left Tackle is the most pressing need of all IMO.)

We still need a safety, yes, I agree, but there really isn't any 1st round FSs. I'd like to get one but I just don't see any.

I don't think our CB situation is set, or solid. No way can Hutchins or Faggins cover a guy like Dallas Clark or Anthony Gonzalez. Bennett has very limited playing time and I wouldn't be so quick to give him that #2 spot, even though he has been playing well.

Left tackle or center is really the only position I would go to other than corner in the first round for us. I'd say safety, but who?

sakebomb
11-18-2007, 06:09 PM
If they just wait about 4 or 5 more years they won't have to worry about Manning and Harrison anymore. They will both be gone. Harrison is getting close now.

Mr PC
11-18-2007, 06:11 PM
We still need a safety, yes, I agree, but there really isn't any 1st round FSs. I'd like to get one but I just don't see any.

I don't think our CB situation is set, or solid. No way can Hutchins or Faggins cover a guy like Dallas Clark or Anthony Gonzalez. Bennett has very limited playing time and I wouldn't be so quick to give him that #2 spot, even though he has been playing well.


I know Bennet is young but I really believe he is our 2nd starter. Hutchins looks very comfortable back at CB to me. I wouldnt have any problem with him as our #3 CB. I do think the Texans should take a flyer on some less expensive cornerbacks, just to give us some depth and insurance. There will be a couple mid-level FA corners the Texans should take a long look at. By the way, its often the safety's responsibility to cover TEs, something to consider if you are worried about Clark.


Left tackle or center is really the only position I would go to other than corner in the first round for us. I'd say safety, but who?
A lot of people are pretty high on Kenny Phillips. Personally I really want a LT in the first round.

Ole Miss Texan
11-18-2007, 06:46 PM
Left tackle or center is really the only position I would go to other than corner in the first round for us. I'd say safety, but who?

You can't see a 1st round talent at Safety but you can at Center???

TexansSeminole
11-18-2007, 06:50 PM
You can't see a 1st round talent at Safety but you can at Center???

The guy from Wake Forest is pretty good. That's the only guy I see. But at free safety do you even see 1?

Maddict5
11-18-2007, 08:26 PM
^kenny phillips??

anyway i like bennett too.. i think hes lessened our need somewhat- a decent FA or another 3/4 rder will suffice hopefully

TexansSeminole
11-18-2007, 08:35 PM
^kenny phillips??

anyway i like bennett too.. i think hes lessened our need somewhat- a decent FA or another 3/4 rder will suffice hopefully

Kenny seems like a SS to me. Doesn't seem to fit a FS role, especially on a team that needs a FS for COVERAGE, not run support.

Ole Miss Texan
11-18-2007, 08:41 PM
Kenny seems like a SS to me. Doesn't seem to fit a FS role, especially on a team that needs a FS for COVERAGE, not run support.

That's pretty much the general concensus about Phillips. He would instantly be our best free safety. Not that I'm really pushing for this pick, though. I think he'd def. upgrade our secondary but am not sure he would be the best pick for us with our other needs.

It seems that Kubiak/Smith don't really have a major concern over our FS position or at least enough that would warrant a top 15 pick. However, the more I think about it the more i see us taking phillips (half way joking though). He is supposed to be more of a SS and good against the run...not a true ball hawking free safety. Seems we don't really want a guy that's outstanding in coverage but almost like we want two SS's on the field.

TexansSeminole
11-18-2007, 08:46 PM
That's pretty much the general concensus about Phillips. He would instantly be our best free safety. Not that I'm really pushing for this pick, though. I think he'd def. upgrade our secondary but am not sure he would be the best pick for us with our other needs.

It seems that Kubiak/Smith don't really have a major concern over our FS position or at least enough that would warrant a top 15 pick. However, the more I think about it the more i see us taking phillips (half way joking though). He is supposed to be more of a SS and good against the run...not a true ball hawking free safety. Seems we don't really want a guy that's outstanding in coverage but almost like we want two SS's on the field.

I think that is more of them working with what we have or can get rather than what we would actually want in the ideal situation.

Seems like Will Demps is a decent enough player to hold down the FS spot. The guy isn't dynamic in any way, nor is he a long-term fix (IMO) but he could very well be our FS next year. Both safety spots need attention in my mind. I thought that Boulware would be a significant addition, yet he has rarely seen the field.

Ole Miss Texan
11-18-2007, 08:59 PM
Seems like Will Demps is a decent enough player to hold down the FS spot. The guy isn't dynamic in any way, nor is he a long-term fix (IMO) but he could very well be our FS next year. Both safety spots need attention in my mind. I thought that Boulware would be a significant addition, yet he has rarely seen the field.

That's kind of my thinking as well. I really like what Demps brings to the table and love watching him play... but he's not going wow us with his coverage. I am still really hoping that Boulware is just taking a little time to get comfortable and learn our defense. I thought he would step in and be a great SS for us. So far he's just been solid on ST's.

Mr PC
11-18-2007, 10:49 PM
I'd prefer a stud SS like Phillips over a FS at this point. Demps has decent enough coverage skills, he has done an acceptable job as the FS, meanwhile CC Brown is still our strong safety. Kenny Phillips plays physically like a SS but he is no slacker in pass coverage either. I would be pleased if we drafted him, even though I want a left tackle.

threetoedpete
11-19-2007, 10:53 AM
The guy from Wake Forest is pretty good. That's the only guy I see. But at free safety do you even see 1?

Steve Wallace IS a great pick....if we are moing back to a ZBS scheme. However, I have seen nothing suggesting yet that we are. He is 282. Fifty pounds lighter and you could talk about the guy as a RB prospect. You are gambling that you can put eighteen pounds on the guy and he can hold that weight through the season. Neither of those things are a sure thing. But if we're banging with the gaurds again next season...you're looking at the Kids from A& M or Marshall. I don't think you take either one of those guys befor the third. Again, if I were captian of this ship I'd try very hard to hit on one of the corners after a move down, And hope that one of the second teird lineman would be there for me with the extra pick. Salaam line is twenty two games and counting. Prety good for a guy half of this board wanted to cut out of his first camp.

But the fact remains sooner or later if we're going to the SB, they'll have to match up with the Colts or Pats. and after that to win it you have to match up with the cards or Lions. They gotta have three good corners. Right now we're playing with one.

threetoedpete
11-19-2007, 11:05 AM
Throughout the season, many fans have voiced their concerns for the Houston secondary. Many of those concerns have been targeted to Faggins. With the emergance of Bennett, should the Texans look to go at another critical need this next draft? Has the play of Fred Bennett solidfied him as the #2 CB on the Texans?

IMO, Bennett has a lot of upside and has outplayed Faggins for the starting position. Does this justify going for another critical need as opposed to drafting a CB or safety? You tell me.

You're ASSuming that Dante Robinson is going to make it back to one hundered percent. I have seen nothing on a post surgery pronoisis have you ? Last I saw it went from six to eight to eight to twelve. At this point it is a guess, just like Charles Spencer's case. It's not a sure thing he'll be back in twelve months much less six. They need to draft or bring in an upgrde at corner. The higher the better. I'm praying that Kenny Phillips is off the board, just like Laron Landry was last year, befor we come up to bat. I see what you are saying....Bennit blows the coverage and C.C, Brown is not athletic enough to make up for the mistake. It should also be painfully obvious by now they aren't going to spend the money at safty that a top FS prospect would comand. they aren't going to do it. Rick Smith and Kubiack have decided to spend their cap dollars else where. Now you can take a big corner and have a decent chance at making the move work. Going the other way though...

They want big safties. Disagree with the phlosiphy if you want...that's the way they are going to do it.

Mr teX
11-19-2007, 11:17 AM
You know, I'm actually think it isn't as much of need as i originally thought anymore. Bennett is lights out & Von held his own against a #1 even though Colston still had a pretty good game.

infantrycak
11-19-2007, 11:19 AM
It should also be painfully obvious by now they aren't going to spend the money at safty that a top FS prospect would comand. they aren't going to do it. Rick Smith and Kubiack have decided to spend their cap dollars else where.

Where is the evidence that makes this so painfully obvious?

They want big safties. Disagree with the phlosiphy if you want...that's the way they are going to do it.

Big--compared to what? Neither CC Brown nor Glenn Earl is anything but average for safeties. Their next two guys in line Jason Simmons and Von Hutchins are undersized if anything.

threetoedpete
11-19-2007, 11:31 AM
Where is the evidence that makes this so painfully obvious?



Big--compared to what? Neither CC Brown nor Glenn Earl is anything but average for safeties. Their next two guys in line Jason Simmons and Von Hutchins are undersized if anything.

Didn't Will Demps start yesterday ? Didn't they trade out the Kevin Green Prospect for A huge Safty ? Yes ? But Earl and Brown they are both cheap guys who hit big , supposedly. They had every oportuntiy to draft someone last year and they past on all seven picks. They aren't going to take the FS in the first.
What C.C. Brown proved once again yesterday is he is not athletic enough to cover for a mistake by the corner. And yet....there he'll be in Cleveland starting once again. and again, and again.... He's not going anywhere.

infantrycak
11-19-2007, 12:09 PM
Didn't Will Demps start yesterday ?

Well gee yes due to Dunta's injury not his oh so average 208 lbs.

Didn't they trade out the Kevin Green Prospect for A huge Safty ?

Yeah and the giant safety's size is sooooo important he is on the bench.

They had every oportuntiy to draft someone last year and they past on all seven picks.

No they didn't--he is on IR.

They aren't going to take the FS in the first.

That's what I thought--definitive statement backed up by nothing just like assumptions Kubiak won't draft a RB in the 1st.

threetoedpete
11-19-2007, 12:32 PM
Well gee yes due to Dunta's injury not his oh so average 208 lbs.



Yeah and the giant safety's size is sooooo important he is on the bench.



No they didn't--he is on IR.



That's what I thought--definitive statement backed up by nothing just like assumptions Kubiak won't draft a RB in the 1st.


I've got more in the bank at this point than you do my friend. Will demps is not 208.

Mr PC
11-19-2007, 12:43 PM
safety that can defend the run and pass > safety that can defend the pass

I think this is the Texans logic.

infantrycak
11-19-2007, 12:45 PM
I've got more in the bank at this point than you do my friend. Will demps is not 208.

Well I guess you need to get hired as the weigh in guy by the Texans because they and the NFL think he is 208 lbs.

threetoedpete
11-19-2007, 01:02 PM
Well I guess you need to get hired as the weigh in guy by the Texans because they and the NFL think he is 208 lbs.

The guy is over six foot and has a thirty -eight or nine inch chest...so whatever,
you believe what you want and I'll believe what I know.

beerlover
11-19-2007, 11:07 PM
I don't have a problem with the Texans selecting best pure cover corner in the 1st rd. more & more likely selecting later rather than sooner (now @ #15) which is in position to still get one of these - Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas, Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona or Malcolm Jenkins, Ohio State.

BSofA04
11-20-2007, 12:41 AM
I don't have a problem with the Texans selecting best pure cover corner in the 1st rd. more & more likely selecting later rather than sooner (now @ #15) which is in position to still get one of these - Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas, Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona or Malcolm Jenkins, Ohio State.

Talib is a ball hawk, no doubt about it. I would be happy if we were able to get him, but worry that our LT and C position would continue to struggle if we waited unitl the 3rd round to pick up some help. However, the tackle position is much deeper than the secondary.

austintexanite
11-20-2007, 11:32 AM
I wouldn't necessarily draft another CB in the first or third round, but in the later rounds I would. I feel we need to get an OL and RB in our first two picks, if not then a S or LB.

threetoedpete
11-20-2007, 12:12 PM
I don't have a problem with the Texans selecting best pure cover corner in the 1st rd. more & more likely selecting later rather than sooner (now @ #15) which is in position to still get one of these - Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas, Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona or Malcolm Jenkins, Ohio State.

Atgreed: going to be really surprised if they don't adress CB with one of the first two picks. They've collected a herd of Safties....I don't see it. I'll take the off brand Jenkins as well from South Florida. Looks like he can play to me.