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MightyTExan
11-16-2007, 11:28 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0711/nfl.disappointing.rbs/content.5.html

Guess who made #6?

Lucky
11-16-2007, 11:42 AM
How does Reggie avoid this list?

ATX
11-16-2007, 11:46 AM
Interesting LT isn't even on there.....not that he is sucking, but definitely not in his usual form.

Specnatz
11-16-2007, 11:47 AM
How does Reggie avoid this list?

Because when someone breaks their leg it is more disappointing no matter how well they were running at the time. I am sure Williams ment to break his leg, he did it on purpose.

MightyTExan
11-16-2007, 11:58 AM
Interesting LT isn't even on there.....not that he is sucking, but definitely not in his usual form.

What's up with Rivers? He has totally sucked this season so far.

tulexan
11-16-2007, 12:01 PM
Because when someone breaks their leg it is more disappointing no matter how well they were running at the time. I am sure Williams ment to break his leg, he did it on purpose.

I like how pretty much everyone on the list has had some sort of injury and still have comparable stats to Reggie, yet he is not disappointing even though he is healthy

Second Honeymoon
11-16-2007, 12:09 PM
How does Reggie avoid this list?

because he hasn't been as disappointing as the 10 on this list. You see most writers out there don't have this incessant desire to prove that Reggie sucks and that the Texans made the right choice. They would be the first to tell you that Reggie hasn't lived up to the hype but they would also follow that by saying he hasn't been a disappointment especially when compared to some of the guys on this list. It seems that so many around here just want Reggie and VY to fail to somehow justify the Texans stupidity in selecting Mario #1 and not going with competitors like RB or VY or trading down. The Texans were stupid and it was all because of $$ and signability....and nothing to do with football...no matter how many times they tell you the contrary... Thanks Bob, Gary, and Asserley.

Bulluck53
11-16-2007, 12:21 PM
If Cadillac is on there why no Ronnie Brown?

PapaL
11-16-2007, 12:22 PM
because he hasn't been as disappointing as the 10 on this list. You see most writers out there don't have this incessant desire to prove that Reggie sucks and that the Texans made the right choice. They would be the first to tell you that Reggie hasn't lived up to the hype but they would also follow that by saying he hasn't been a disappointment especially when compared to some of the guys on this list. It seems that so many around here just want Reggie and VY to fail to somehow justify the Texans stupidity in selecting Mario #1 and not going with competitors like RB or VY or trading down. The Texans were stupid and it was all because of $$ and signability....and nothing to do with football...no matter how many times they tell you the contrary... Thanks Bob, Gary, and Asserley.

All three are at various levels of sucking. End of story. Taking any of those three at #1 would be stupid at this moment.

Texan_Bill
11-16-2007, 12:27 PM
How does Reggie avoid this list?

Because he's pretty much on par with what a lot of us expected.

drewmar74
11-16-2007, 12:29 PM
Hey, my firewall at work won't let me see the list.

Can anyone post the quick version for me? I don't need to know why they're on the list, but I would be appreciative if someone can tell me who is on there....

Texan_Bill
11-16-2007, 12:37 PM
It seems that so many around here just want Reggie and VY to fail to somehow justify the Texans stupidity in selecting Mario #1 and not going with competitors like RB or VY or trading down.


Now SH, I have been consistent in my opinions about VY and Bush since they were playing at their respective schools. We could have drafted Manning and I would still feel the same way about those two guys...

beerlover
11-16-2007, 12:38 PM
If Cadillac is on there why no Ronnie Brown?

excellent point, as tulexan noted the common denominator is injury :ouch:

seems conterproductive to create such negative lists, like they wished injurys on themselves or something :devilpig:

ATX
11-16-2007, 12:42 PM
How does Reggie avoid this list?

Because you have to first be good before you can be disappointing.

kastofsna
11-16-2007, 12:43 PM
If Cadillac is on there why no Ronnie Brown?
because Cadillac has sucked for a while now and Ronnie Brown was one of the league's premier running backs before his injury.

Lucky
11-16-2007, 12:44 PM
Hey, my firewall at work won't let me see the list.

Can anyone post the quick version for me? I don't need to know why they're on the list, but I would be appreciative if someone can tell me who is on there....
1. Rudi Johnson
2. Shaun Alexander
3. Thomas Jones
4. Cadillac Williams
5. Ced Benson
6. Ahman
7. Frank Gore
8. Steven Jackson
9. Travis Henry
10. Larry Johnson

Lucky
11-16-2007, 12:46 PM
because he hasn't been as disappointing as the 10 on this list.
So you admit that Bush has been disappointing thus far? Just not as disappointing as myself and others see Reggie's performance.

Second Honeymoon
11-16-2007, 12:56 PM
So you admit that Bush has been disappointing thus far? Just not as disappointing as myself and others see Reggie's performance.

considering the amount of hype given to Bush, anything short of Pro Bowl numbers would have been a disappointment. He has yet to reach that level, so that could be called disappointing. I would call it overhype and that he is what he is. a good running back with a lot of talent but a lot to learn about being a featured back (which is the only way one could justify a RB at #2 overall).

i just think some of us on this board, and not necessarily you, will find any reason to say Bush sucks in an attempt to somehow justify our own team's stupidity at choosing Mario #1. I don't want other players failures or somewhat disappointing performances used to make ourselves feel better about the selection of Mario. I want Mario to make us feel better about the pick....and I am still waiting.

One thing is for sure, I bet if we would have selected Bush, we would probably still have DC at QB and that can't be good. So at least we can take solace in that :)

Specnatz
11-16-2007, 12:57 PM
Because you have to first be good before you can be disappointing.

The survey says ............................


Ding Number One answer.

gtexan02
11-16-2007, 01:04 PM
The reason reggie isn't on ther eis because he's doing the same as last year. He's playing poorly as expected.

The rest of the guys had huge expecations ,thus have been disapointments

Errant Hothy
11-16-2007, 01:06 PM
2. Shaun Alexander
3. Thomas Jones
5. Ced Benson
7. Frank Gore
9. Travis Henry
10. Larry Johnson

What do these 6 under performing RBs have in common?

They have all rushed for more yards then Reggie Bush, and yet they are all underperforming and Reggie isn't?

Yeah I ain't buying that.

Second Honeymoon
11-16-2007, 01:17 PM
2. Shaun Alexander
3. Thomas Jones
5. Ced Benson
7. Frank Gore
9. Travis Henry
10. Larry Johnson

What do these 6 under performing RBs have in common?

They have all rushed for more yards then Reggie Bush, and yet they are all underperforming and Reggie isn't?

Yeah I ain't buying that.

lay off the koolaid....RB does more than just run the ball and remember that he shared time at the beginning of the season. those may be excuses but he is used as a passing threat a lot out of the backfield and out wide. remember, those yards/production don't show up as rushing yards. look at all purpose yards and that is a better determination of one's production. it's called running back not rushing back.

i can't believe i am having to defend Bush, because i think he is a punk, but to try and paint him as a bad football player is just classic Houston homering.

Errant Hothy
11-16-2007, 01:26 PM
lay off the koolaid....RB does more than just run the ball and remember that he shared time at the beginning of the season. those may be excuses but he is used as a passing threat a lot out of the backfield and out wide. remember, those yards/production don't show up as rushing yards. look at all purpose yards and that is a better determination of one's production. it's called running back not rushing back.

i can't believe i am having to defend Bush, because i think he is a punk, but to try and paint him as a bad football player is just classic Houston homering.

Yeah, cause if we go to the all powerful "Total yards stat" he is only getting beat by the following "underperforming" RBs:


2. Shaun Alexander
3. Thomas Jones
4. Cadillac Williams
5. Ced Benson
7. Frank Gore
8. Steven Jackson
9. Travis Henry
10. Larry Johnson

So besides the fact that he is not rushing the ball that well, and not racking up the always impressive "total yards per game" that well (he's an impressive 89th in the league) what else does Reggie Bush do that makes him NOT under performing?

Is it his abilities as a decoy?

As for sharing time, some of the guys on that list a) have missed games, b) some of them also share time with other RBs and QBs, and c) a couple of them play in some pass happy Os.

And I'm the one who needs to put down the Kool-Aid?

HoustonFrog
11-16-2007, 01:47 PM
Bush is 7th in the NFL in receptions with 55.

Texan_Bill
11-16-2007, 01:51 PM
Yet 73rd in receiving yards....

Errant Hothy
11-16-2007, 01:52 PM
Bush is 7th in the NFL in receptions with 55.

Nevermind, Texan_Bill got it.

Silver Oak
11-16-2007, 02:01 PM
for me personally, Travis Henry has been an enormous flop in Denver. what was touted to be such a great union of his running style and the o-line of Denvers just never has materialized.

sense some bitterness on my part? he was one of my FF #1 picks and I'm close to not making the playoffs in that league. :gun:

HoustonFrog
11-16-2007, 02:17 PM
Yet 73rd in receiving yards....

My point wasn't to lift the guy up, I just wanted to join the debate and answer a question...what has he done...lol:whip:

Ole Miss Texan
11-16-2007, 02:19 PM
Well here are some stats on Reggie Bush...

451 Rushing yards ranks him 28th.
50.1 Rushing yards/Game ranks him 34th (a whopping 0.4 yards per game more than Ron Friggin Dayne)
4 TD's ranks him tied for 13th.
3 Fumbles ranks him tied for 3rd.
120 Rushes ranks him 22nd.
Longest Rush 22 yards.

304 receiving yards ranks him 73rd (3rd for RB's)
2 receiving TD's ranks him tied for 2nd in RB's (Westbrook 4, Addai2)
33.8 receiving yards/game ranks him 3rd among RB's (5.5yard/catch avg)Longest reception 25 yards.

But wait there's more...we cannot forget his value as a punt returner and on defense after turnovers!

3 punt returns for 12 yards (4.0 yard avg) long of 10, with 1 fumble
2 solo tackles

So to Recap: (this includes rushes, receptions, punt returns)
Averaging 19.7 Touches per game.
Averaging 85.2 total yards per game.
Averaging .67 TD's per game.
Averaging .44 Fumbles per game.

Sure looks like he's earning that $13+ million dollars this year.

Texan_Bill
11-16-2007, 02:35 PM
My point wasn't to lift the guy up, I just wanted to join the debate and answer a question...what has he done...lol:whip:

I hear ya... I was piling on WITH you. :cowboy1:

Specnatz
11-16-2007, 03:27 PM
considering the amount of hype given to Bush, anything short of Pro Bowl numbers would have been a disappointment. He has yet to reach that level, so that could be called disappointing. I would call it overhype and that he is what he is. a good running back with a lot of talent but a lot to learn about being a featured back (which is the only way one could justify a RB at #2 overall).

i just think some of us on this board, and not necessarily you, will find any reason to say Bush sucks in an attempt to somehow justify our own team's stupidity at choosing Mario #1. I don't want other players failures or somewhat disappointing performances used to make ourselves feel better about the selection of Mario. I want Mario to make us feel better about the pick....and I am still waiting.

One thing is for sure, I bet if we would have selected Bush, we would probably still have DC at QB and that can't be good. So at least we can take solace in that :)


So you do not call Bush out for having a lot to learn, in fact you build him up for it. Then you tear down Mario for the exact same reason and you wonder why some find it hard to take what you say seriously.

Thanks for clearing that up.

stingray
11-16-2007, 03:33 PM
It's dissapointing to see all the hate for Reggie... I thought Texans fans were better than that.

infantrycak
11-16-2007, 03:39 PM
It's dissapointing to see all the hate for Reggie... I thought Texans fans were better than that.

So if you don't think a player hung the moon it is hate? I am pretty sure there is a long continuum between out of the league and hall of famer.

bah007
11-16-2007, 03:40 PM
It's dissapointing to see all the hate for Reggie... I thought Texans fans were better than that.

I would say that there is a lot more hate on this board for Vince Young, especially since he plays for a division rival.

Specnatz
11-16-2007, 03:42 PM
It's dissapointing to see all the hate for Reggie... I thought Texans fans were better than that.

Not hate, just no love.

Errant Hothy
11-16-2007, 03:43 PM
It's dissapointing to see all the hate for Reggie... I thought Texans fans were better than that.

There is a slight difference between thinking somebody is overrated and hating them.

stingray
11-16-2007, 04:48 PM
I think it's more hate. This thread wasn't even about Reggie. This thread was about the top ten running back disapointments. But of course, Reggie's name had to be thrown into this. Reggie is not a great running back but he is far from a dissapointment. Many texans fans have insecurites about that draft and can't get over the fact that the media talked so much about the 06 draft and made fun of the Texans. Who cares? That is the only reason Reggie's name is even mentioned so much on this board. Because if the Texans drafted 5th that year, reggies name would hardly come up. And many of you are happy that we have Mario on this team and that's fine. I'd rather have Reggie but I don't throw rocks at Marios name everytime it comes up. Everyone has an opinion on this subject and I respect that but we are almost into 2008 and were are still talking about Vince, Reggie and Mario.

bah007
11-16-2007, 04:59 PM
If you think that 3.7 yds per carry, 7.3 yds per reception, & 7.4 yds per punt return is worth nearly $60 million then thats fine.

But to me, that isnt the production that a #1 RB should have. I would qualify it as disappointing.

stingray
11-16-2007, 05:00 PM
There is a slight difference between thinking somebody is overrated and hating them.

There's alot of players in the NFL that are overrated. But I only see Reggie and Vince's name coming up on this board when they mention overrated.

stingray
11-16-2007, 05:03 PM
If you think that 3.7 yds per carry, 7.3 yds per reception, & 7.4 yds per punt return is worth nearly $60 million then thats fine.

But to me, that isnt the production that a #1 RB should have. I would qualify it as disappointing.

So you think 4 sacks and 23 tackles is worth 54 million?

bah007
11-16-2007, 05:04 PM
So you think 4 sacks and 23 tackles is worth 54 million?

No. I dont.

But this thread is for the top 10 disappointing running backs & I havent seen Mario Williams in the backfield lately.

stingray
11-16-2007, 05:05 PM
No. I dont.

But this thread is for the top 10 disappointing running backs & I havent seen Mario Williams in the backfield lately.

And I didn't see Reggies Bush's name on that list. So why is he even brought up?

bah007
11-16-2007, 05:07 PM
And I didn't see Reggies Bush's name on that list. So why is he even brought up?

Maybe that's what the debate in this thread has been about.

His name isnt on that list.

But most of the guys on that list have put up bad numbers because they are injured.

What is Bush's excuse for putting up disappointing numbers?

stingray
11-16-2007, 05:14 PM
Maybe that's what the debate in this thread has been about.

His name isnt on that list.

But most of the guys on that list have put up bad numbers because they are injured.

What is Bush's excuse for putting up disappointing numbers?

Answer me this then. Who would you knock off from the list and replace them with reggie?

Specnatz
11-16-2007, 05:26 PM
Answer me this then. Who would you knock off from the list and replace them with reggie?

That is easy Carnell Williams. He got hurt so early on right as he was starting to produce, so since he has not played I would have taken him off the list.

Lucky
11-16-2007, 05:26 PM
Answer me this then. Who would you knock off from the list and replace them with reggie?
Cadillac - he was injured.
Thomas Jones - he's had 2 100 yard games this season. 2 more than Bush has had this year.

Ole Miss Texan
11-16-2007, 05:33 PM
Reggie Bush is an incredible athlete and is really exciting to watch.

With that said, some people including myself, don't undestand why he isn't on that list and while some players that are on the list shouldn't be. That's what this is about....what do WE think of this list? Do we agree or disagree with how the writer ranked them, how would we rank the top 10 most disappointing running backs, etc?

I too think there is undue smack talk against Vince and Reggie and the sole reason is because Houston got bashed for not taking BOTH of them. Sadly every thread can and probably will be turned into a mario/reggie/vince debate.

However, this thread is about Top 10 most disappointing RUNNING BACKS. Disappointment comes from the players play, stats, salary, etc. Thus, many feel Reggie should be included on the list. Ahman Green is on the list and rightfully so.

stingray
11-16-2007, 05:34 PM
That is easy Carnell Williams. He got hurt so early on right as he was starting to produce, so since he has not played I would have taken him off the list.

No way. Bush and cadillac have almost the same average per carry. 3.8 to 3.9 but reggie was averaging way more receptions and yards in the air. Cadillac had a whopping 3 receptions for 17 yrds for the whole season in recieving yards. Bush has 300 yrds recieving. And i'm sorry but getting injured is part of this equation. If your not on the field, you are not producing, then that is part of the equation.

Ole Miss Texan
11-16-2007, 05:48 PM
Answer me this then. Who would you knock off from the list and replace them with reggie?

I'd say Cadillac as well. But I might take off Larry Johnson...sure he has been a little disappointing but he still has done the following:

8 games has 158 rushes for 559 yards and 3 TD's
He has 3 100+ games.
Missed 1 game, held to 9 rushes in one game and 10 in another.
Has 30 receptions for 186 yards and 1 TD.
Thats 93 yards on 23.5 touches per game.
He has 1 fumble.

He's on pace for a 1400 yard season as primarily a RB that catches 3-4 passes a game. As opposed to a Running Back that receives twice as much and return punts who, combining all those, is on pace for less yards for the year.

I think the biggest dissappointment for him, comes from him holding out the beginning of the season for big $$$. So that would be the biggest reason he might stay on this list. However we all know how crappy Kansas City's Offensive Line has been so he's still done well considering they've lost 3 pro bowl OL'men the past couple years.

Specnatz
11-16-2007, 06:06 PM
No way. Bush and cadillac have almost the same average per carry. 3.8 to 3.9 but reggie was averaging way more receptions and yards in the air. Cadillac had a whopping 3 receptions for 17 yrds for the whole season in recieving yards. Bush has 300 yrds recieving. And i'm sorry but getting injured is part of this equation. If your not on the field, you are not producing, then that is part of the equation.

The reason I would take him off is because of when he suffered the injury. The body of work is not there to say one way or the other. Your trying to project what he would have or would not have done up to this point and I have never liked that because that never comes true either for the good or the bad of any player.

Errant Hothy
11-16-2007, 06:19 PM
There's alot of players in the NFL that are overrated. But I only see Reggie and Vince's name coming up on this board when they mention overrated.

So I quess you've not seen any of the; Petey Fagins, Flanagan, McKinney, C.C. Brown, Earl, Greenwood, Salaam, Daivd Carr, Dayne, Gaffeny, Allen, Wells, etc threads that have filled these boards over the years.

Yup the only people we ever talk about are Reggie Bush and Vince Young.

Get over it!

stingray
11-16-2007, 06:21 PM
The reason I would take him off is because of when he suffered the injury. The body of work is not there to say one way or the other. Your trying to project what he would have or would not have done up to this point and I have never liked that because that never comes true either for the good or the bad of any player.

I'm not projecting. I'm averaging his stats for 3 and 1/2 games. That's almost a 1/4 of a season. He was doing OK up to that point. And Like I said before, getting injured is part of the equation. It's not the whole equation but it is part of it.

Errant Hothy
11-16-2007, 06:21 PM
Answer me this then. Who would you knock off from the list and replace them with reggie?

How about any of the players whose game stats are better then Reggie's?

stingray
11-16-2007, 06:22 PM
So I quess you've not seen any of the; Petey Fagins, Flanagan, McKinney, C.C. Brown, Earl, Greenwood, Salaam, Daivd Carr, Dayne, Gaffeny, Allen, Wells, etc threads that have filled these boards over the years.

Yup the only people we ever talk about are Reggie Bush and Vince Young.

Get over it!

Umm. You just mentioned Texans players. I was implying about other than Texans players. Last time I checked, Bush was not on the Texans roster. Maybe you need to get over it.

Specnatz
11-16-2007, 06:30 PM
I'm not projecting. I'm averaging his stats for 3 and 1/2 games. That's almost a 1/4 of a season. He was doing OK up to that point. And Like I said before, getting injured is part of the equation. It's not the whole equation but it is part of it.

OK then lets just take Reggie's stats through the first 3 1/2 games and see how he compares to Williams.

Errant Hothy
11-16-2007, 06:32 PM
Umm. You just mentioned Texans players. I was implying about other than Texans players. Last time I checked, Bush was not on the Texans roster. Maybe you need to get over it.

By naming Texans I was trying to demonstrate that we are more then willing to bash our own, much less players from rivals or the rest of the NFL.

But since you insist, non-Texans whom hve been called overrated on these boards:
Byron Leftwich
LenDale White
Carlos Rogers
Any Denver RB
Eli Manning
Asante Samuel

To name just a few.

Reggie Bushand VY will always be talked about here due to the nature of the 06 draft.

Wolf
11-16-2007, 09:27 PM
So you think 4 sacks and 23 tackles is worth 54 million?

my first thought was julius peppers,reading the message boards in carolina... tough crowd ,yet understand Julius is having a tough year

stingray
11-16-2007, 09:31 PM
my first thought was julius peppers,reading the message boards in carolina... tough crowd ,yet understand Julius is having a tough year

Julius has averaged 11 sacks a year in his career. He's earned every penny.. He's just had a bad year.
I don't understand why any Panther fan would complain about him...

Vinny
11-16-2007, 11:38 PM
What's up with Rivers? He has totally sucked this season so far."young QB's struggle" isn't just a cliche. :pirate:

Wolf
11-16-2007, 11:57 PM
Julius has averaged 11 sacks a year in his career. He's earned every penny.. He's just had a bad year.
I don't understand why any Panther fan would complain about him...

go to their website

kastofsna
11-17-2007, 12:53 AM
There's alot of players in the NFL that are overrated. But I only see Reggie and Vince's name coming up on this board when they mention overrated.
jesum crow is it hard to figure out? the media has blasted the Texans for not taking either player, and lots of Texans fans wanted either player. and both players are underperforming big time. what's so hard to understand about this? both players are OBVIOUSLY going to be a huge topic of discussion on this board. i love the "oh gee apparently you guys dont like this guy ur always talking about him" YAWN.

stingray
11-17-2007, 07:03 AM
go to their website

I believe you.. I just don't understand why they would do it.. Fans are never happy.

stingray
11-17-2007, 07:07 AM
jesum crow is it hard to figure out? the media has blasted the Texans for not taking either player, and lots of Texans fans wanted either player. and both players are underperforming big time. what's so hard to understand about this? both players are OBVIOUSLY going to be a huge topic of discussion on this board. i love the "oh gee apparently you guys dont like this guy ur always talking about him" YAWN.

If you read my earlier post, you would see that I mentioned the 06 draft as the reason. I understand that. I was asking more as a "we need to get over it" because the media doesn't really matter in the long scheme of things. As I mentioned before, it's almost 2008 and we keep talking about it.

Thorn
11-17-2007, 07:27 AM
jesum crow is it hard to figure out? the media has blasted the Texans for not taking either player, and lots of Texans fans wanted either player. and both players are underperforming big time. what's so hard to understand about this? both players are OBVIOUSLY going to be a huge topic of discussion on this board. i love the "oh gee apparently you guys dont like this guy ur always talking about him" YAWN.

All three are are not performing up to expectations, so yeah, it's getting old. I have to deal with a Bush lover at work. When I remind him that after 9 weeks of play Bush accounts for a whopping 755 yards of total offense, he usually says something like what Bush means to the team. Uh-uh, yeah, whatever. LOL

Bush so far:
451 rushing
304 passing

Specnatz
11-17-2007, 08:35 AM
All three are are not performing up to expectations, so yeah, it's getting old. I have to deal with a Bush lover at work. When I remind him that after 9 weeks of play Bush accounts for a whopping 755 yards of total offense, he usually says something like what Bush means to the team. Uh-uh, yeah, whatever. LOL

Bush so far:
451 rushing
304 passing

You forgot the return yards, them all purpose yards are so important.

cuppacoffee
11-17-2007, 09:13 AM
No. I dont.

But this thread is for the top 10 disappointing running backs & I havent seen Mario Williams in the backfield lately.

Thats part and parcel of the reason so many Texan fans are disappointed in him...

:mario: (still running in place)

:includeme:

:coffee:

RazorOye
11-17-2007, 09:53 AM
I've seen a lot of hate for Bush. And those people that think the opinions and downright vitriol are purely objective criticisms not tainted by anything aside from pure performance are deluding themselves.

This board relishes in anything possibly negative.

This thread was posted for one reason - to trash Reggie Bush again.

And that's fine - but don't try and say that it's a product of criticism that all of you would level on any other player in the NFL. It's hate. Not from everyone - but from a lot.

Do a search for that open letter to Reggie Bush that was posted a while back and what that generated.

If that's not player hate, then I don't know what it is.

You can name other players that are criticized, but since the 06 draft there has been no bigger pastime on these boards for non-Texans football than to bash Reggie. I've been reading this board a while - since I lived in Houston - even before I registered a year ago. VY gets a lot of attention as well, but it seems that more enjoyment is taken in Bush's failures in any capacity - on and off the football field.

Like I said - go ahead, bash away. But don't try and convince me that it's just typical criticism of someone who hasn't lived up to the hype.

I love how people are expecting Reggie Bush to be an all-everything and believe he should be producing all-everything numbers right now. But Mario Williams gets the "he just needs time and experience" and myriad other excuses by the same people.

Both of these players are in their second year and nobody knows ten years down the road how the careers of these two players shape up.

As a Saints fan, it hurts that Reggie has not lived up to expectation. I want him to do more. I want Payton to call more runs and stick with it when it works instead of always defaulting to his passing schemes when they aren't working.

I will say, though, that I am glad for the publicity Reggie is getting - for the most part - because it keeps New Orleans and the city's rebuilding in the national consciousness. But that's a story for another board.

But yes, the media saturation is bound to lead to high expectations. And any fan, especially a Saints fan, has the right to be disappointed in Reggie's lack of production.

And Texans fans as well, due to the history behind the pick, are expected to be critical.

But most of the comments on here go beyond mere criticism. If that's your bag, more power to you - but recognize it for what it is.

Hoping for a good, injury-free game on Sunday.

Raz

kastofsna
11-17-2007, 10:11 AM
this thread was actually posted because of Ahman Green.

as i said before, when the team was roasted for passing on Bush (the Sam Bouie comparisons), and when the Texans fans are roasted by everyone else, they're going to pay close attention to the guy that they were apparently so idiotic for passing on. the player that's been sold as "once in a lifetime" since his sophomore year in college. the player that Al Michaels shouted on national television during a Saints game "How could the Texans pass on this guy??"

i guess you don't have any experience like that with the draft razor. for example, as much as i like Brady Quinn, there's a tiny bit of me that wants to see Quinn not look so hot just so i can shut up those folks who killed me and Miami for not taking the "right guy/the guy you can't pass on/etc." also makes me want to see Ted Ginn and John Beck do that much better.

Vinny
11-17-2007, 10:43 AM
Like I said - go ahead, bash away. But don't try and convince me that it's just typical criticism of someone who hasn't lived up to the hype.

I love how people are expecting Reggie Bush to be an all-everything and believe he should be producing all-everything numbers right now. But Mario Williams gets the "he just needs time and experience" and myriad other excuses by the same people.

Both of these players are in their second year and nobody knows ten years down the road how the careers of these two players shape up.Many who do this can't see their inconsistency. Many of these fans were arguing with me about giving Carr 5 years to "prove himself" but guys like VY and RB 'just suck' and must show they are dominant players right away...just because. Heck I rarely even click on any threads involving any player we passed on because they are mostly just a session in brain damage.As a Saints fan, it hurts that Reggie has not lived up to expectation. I want him to do more.Same thing about Mario for me, but most of the fans think that it's ok to be a slow learner/developer if you are in the right colors. The bottom line really is that young players often struggle...that's the norm.
Hoping for a good, injury-free game on Sunday.

Razyep, me too...good post.

RazorOye
11-17-2007, 10:44 AM
thx vinny - I enjoy these boards - i really do

i wouldn't lurk if i didn't :)

thunderkyss
11-17-2007, 12:01 PM
because he hasn't been as disappointing as the 10 on this list. You see most writers out there don't have this incessant desire to prove that Reggie sucks and that the Texans made the right choice. They would be the first to tell you that Reggie hasn't lived up to the hype but they would also follow that by saying he hasn't been a disappointment especially when compared to some of the guys on this list. It seems that so many around here just want Reggie and VY to fail to somehow justify the Texans stupidity in selecting Mario #1 and not going with competitors like RB or VY or trading down. The Texans were stupid and it was all because of $$ and signability....and nothing to do with football...no matter how many times they tell you the contrary... Thanks Bob, Gary, and Asserley.

Hellooooo....... genius..

What Reggie is doing for the Saints, would have been the same thing he'd have been doing for us, had we picked him with the #1 overall.

It's stupid to continue & be angry with the Texans for choosing Mario over Reggie.

If nothing else, we can say there wasn't a clear #1 at the top of the '06 Draft.

The no brainer thing to do would have been to take the QB, but we botched that decision earlier that same year.

To clarify, I'm not calling you stupid, unless you're saying that you'd have taken Reggie Bush with the first overall pick, knowing what you know now.

D'Brickshaw probably should have been the pick.

Trading down... after we said we didn't get any good offers, & the Saints saying the same thing, we should be pretty clear on the fact, that there were no feasible trade down options.

Unless you'd like to be arguing how stupid the Texans were for trading down for less than fair value.

Maddict5
11-17-2007, 05:48 PM
I've seen a lot of hate for Bush. And those people that think the opinions and downright vitriol are purely objective criticisms not tainted by anything aside from pure performance are deluding themselves.

This board relishes in anything possibly negative.

This thread was posted for one reason - to trash Reggie Bush again.

And that's fine - but don't try and say that it's a product of criticism that all of you would level on any other player in the NFL. It's hate. Not from everyone - but from a lot.

Do a search for that open letter to Reggie Bush that was posted a while back and what that generated.

If that's not player hate, then I don't know what it is.

You can name other players that are criticized, but since the 06 draft there has been no bigger pastime on these boards for non-Texans football than to bash Reggie. I've been reading this board a while - since I lived in Houston - even before I registered a year ago. VY gets a lot of attention as well, but it seems that more enjoyment is taken in Bush's failures in any capacity - on and off the football field.

Like I said - go ahead, bash away. But don't try and convince me that it's just typical criticism of someone who hasn't lived up to the hype.

I love how people are expecting Reggie Bush to be an all-everything and believe he should be producing all-everything numbers right now. But Mario Williams gets the "he just needs time and experience" and myriad other excuses by the same people.

Both of these players are in their second year and nobody knows ten years down the road how the careers of these two players shape up.

As a Saints fan, it hurts that Reggie has not lived up to expectation. I want him to do more. I want Payton to call more runs and stick with it when it works instead of always defaulting to his passing schemes when they aren't working.

I will say, though, that I am glad for the publicity Reggie is getting - for the most part - because it keeps New Orleans and the city's rebuilding in the national consciousness. But that's a story for another board.

But yes, the media saturation is bound to lead to high expectations. And any fan, especially a Saints fan, has the right to be disappointed in Reggie's lack of production.

And Texans fans as well, due to the history behind the pick, are expected to be critical.

But most of the comments on here go beyond mere criticism. If that's your bag, more power to you - but recognize it for what it is.

Hoping for a good, injury-free game on Sunday.

Raz

you're 100% correct- reggie does take more flak about his performances than other both here and elsewhere but thats what happens when you're hyped to the last before coming out and end up just very average..

why does this surprise you? you dont think mario took excessive punishment from the media, on MB's etc in the leadup and following to the draft... who was the last prospect as hyped as reggie?? vick? he took plenty of excessive criticism too..

and mario's taken plenty of crap too as well as the other two.. dont worry

MightyTExan
11-17-2007, 06:11 PM
I've seen a lot of hate for Bush. And those people that think the opinions and downright vitriol are purely objective criticisms not tainted by anything aside from pure performance are deluding themselves.

This board relishes in anything possibly negative.

This thread was posted for one reason - to trash Reggie Bush again.

And that's fine - but don't try and say that it's a product of criticism that all of you would level on any other player in the NFL. It's hate. Not from everyone - but from a lot.

Do a search for that open letter to Reggie Bush that was posted a while back and what that generated.


If that's not player hate, then I don't know what it is.

You can name other players that are criticized, but since the 06 draft there has been no bigger pastime on these boards for non-Texans football than to bash Reggie. I've been reading this board a while - since I lived in Houston - even before I registered a year ago. VY gets a lot of attention as well, but it seems that more enjoyment is taken in Bush's failures in any capacity - on and off the football field.

Like I said - go ahead, bash away. But don't try and convince me that it's just typical criticism of someone who hasn't lived up to the hype.

I love how people are expecting Reggie Bush to be an all-everything and believe he should be producing all-everything numbers right now. But Mario Williams gets the "he just needs time and experience" and myriad other excuses by the same people.

Both of these players are in their second year and nobody knows ten years down the road how the careers of these two players shape up.

As a Saints fan, it hurts that Reggie has not lived up to expectation. I want him to do more. I want Payton to call more runs and stick with it when it works instead of always defaulting to his passing schemes when they aren't working.

I will say, though, that I am glad for the publicity Reggie is getting - for the most part - because it keeps New Orleans and the city's rebuilding in the national consciousness. But that's a story for another board.

But yes, the media saturation is bound to lead to high expectations. And any fan, especially a Saints fan, has the right to be disappointed in Reggie's lack of production.

And Texans fans as well, due to the history behind the pick, are expected to be critical.

But most of the comments on here go beyond mere criticism. If that's your bag, more power to you - but recognize it for what it is.

Hoping for a good, injury-free game on Sunday.

Raz

This thread was posted to show how our RB situation sucks. How it turned into a bash Bush thread I have no idea. Bush isn't on the Texans, so I could care less how he does.

Bulluck53
11-17-2007, 06:49 PM
because Cadillac has sucked for a while now and Ronnie Brown was one of the league's premier running backs before his injury.


You're right. But Ronnie Brown being injured is disappointing. Frank Gore and Steven Jackson have been hurt as well. It's a stupid list, all I'm saying.

kastofsna
11-17-2007, 07:01 PM
the difference is, they haven't really been good when healthy this year.

tulexan
11-17-2007, 07:02 PM
the difference is, they haven't really been good when healthy this year.

I don't think they have been healthy this year

b0ng
11-17-2007, 07:45 PM
I think of all the things to be listing, something as subjective as a "dissappointment" just smacks of bad journalism. People will always make excuses for their guys (Injuries), and try to add other guys they just plain don't like for one reason or another (I'll let you guess who).

To be perfectly honest, if I were going to create a list like that, I'd definitley omit any player who hasn't played in more than 6 games due to injuries. If I were going to point fingers, like this list does, I'd make up a different list of "Top 10 Dissappointing Injuries".

Who do you guys think is a huge dissappointment, who has started a majority of their teams games this year? My vote would have to go to the 2005 MVP Shaun Alexander, although Henry for the Broncos has to be right up there for me.

RazorOye
11-18-2007, 12:05 PM
This thread was posted to show how our RB situation sucks. How it turned into a bash Bush thread I have no idea. Bush isn't on the Texans, so I could care less how he does.

sorry about oversight, Mighty T.

By the time I got to the end of the thread, I thought the first thread mentioned both Green at #6 and the "how does Bush not make this list" comment - it was the second.

My apologies...