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Silver Oak
11-10-2007, 02:22 PM
not my mock, but I do like it alot. addresses alot...which of course we need.

(Dallas trades #29 overall to Houston for a 2009 1st round pick)

Rd. 1
9. Houston- Kenny Phillips S Miami FL- Houston loves that Phillips fell to him and he will help out this up and coming defense

29. Houston (From DAL)- Steve Slaton RB West Virginia- Houston trades up and there RB of the future to take pressure off Schaub and Johnson

Rd. 2
no pick (Schaub trade)

Rd. 3
73. Houston- Chris Williams T Vanderbilt

Rd. 4
105. Houston- Jack Ikegwuonu CB Wisconsin

Rd. 5
137. Houston- Darius Reynaud WR West Virginia

Rd. 6
169. Houston- Malik Jackson OLB Louisville

Rd. 7
201. Houston- Keilen Dykes DT West Virginia


http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=171689

tulexan
11-10-2007, 02:41 PM
What are we giving up to get the 2nd 1st round pick?

brakos82
11-10-2007, 02:48 PM
What are we giving up to get the 2nd 1st round pick?
nExt year's first rounder... or '09s... yeah that one...

tulexan
11-10-2007, 03:04 PM
nExt year's first rounder... or '09s... yeah that one...

I wouldn't give up a future 1st to get Slaton. I'd rather take my chances later in the draft considering this is one of the deepest RB drafts in recent history

kastofsna
11-10-2007, 03:28 PM
i'm into making mocks as much as the next guy, but man, how can someone have the time to make such an in-depth offseason thing like that.

also i just can't anticipate Miami drafting 3 LSU defensive players on day one.

The Dude Abides
11-10-2007, 05:51 PM
west virginia fan or what

Ole Miss Texan
11-10-2007, 06:58 PM
Not bad but I'd rather take Jonathan Stewart with the 1st pick and if we HAD to make that trade, I'd take Reggie Smith to play FS/CB for us.

threetoedpete
11-11-2007, 09:30 AM
Not bad but I'd rather take Jonathan Stewart with the 1st pick and if we HAD to make that trade, I'd take Reggie Smith to play FS/CB for us.

Agreed: And if beerlover is over in the other thread raving about the Wisconsin guy, he's not going to last untill the forth round. You can book it. Happens every draft. The mockers have waaaay too many WR and RB high and not enough of the three hole grails. Get the QB, protect the QB, Defend the QB. Corner, elilte pass rushers and OLTs who breath and show the romate hope of covering the QBs blind side, will move past their counter parts on the board when the acutal draft happens. Makes sense. If there is a herd of WRs on the board why would you spend ten million when you can prety much get the same thing for 800 k ? See Troy Williamson Minnesota.

threetoedpete
11-11-2007, 09:44 AM
See waaaay too many recievers in this mock. Folks picking with their hearts and not their brains. I know to day, right now there are at least three teams that must have , must mind you, an OLT to put fannies in the seats and keep thier franchise QB up right. They only got one going off the board in the first ? Doesn't work like that.


2. St. Louis- Calais Campbell DE Miami FL- They are missing Orlando Pace but the biggest problem is that d-line because they can't get any pressure, they grab a freak of an athlete in Campbell to get some sacks

Yeah right. Pace is down and the line is holding back the greatest show on turff and the Rams are going to gamble that they find an OLT in the second round ? An elite OLT who needs no help on a three second block for a double move pattern ? Ok, I got it. So tell me again how much cap they have invested in that offense ?

They are not going to gamble that Clady somehow makes into the second and no one of the other three who covet them, isn't going to make a deal to snatch one of only seven prospects who have a chance, chance mind you, of making the jump from college to the pros. Under this neat little scenario somone jumps up in the second and leaves St. Louis scatching something as to what went wrong. I have seen no pass rushers in this class worth sixty to seventy million. Sorry I don't see it.

The other little problem is why would Dallas give up two for one when they have Reggie Smith by this own mockers mock still on the board ? Why would JJ over pay for a Fs over CB ? Because he just loves the Texan's ? oK.

Tommy Blake will not be drafted now. He is having a crisis in faith. No one is going to take the guy if he doesn't know what he is going to do with his future. There is a lot of stuff wrong with this effort. The pregame shows are on and I don't have the time. It looks as though you put a lot of pre season stuff together and mocked by that. A lot of things have changed since august.

And I don't know how to break this to some...this HC is not under any circumtances going to take a RB from a spread offense. I can see where beerlover is coming from with Stewart. I could see the South Carolina valcano here. But I can garuntee you Kubes is not going to take a little guy with questionable hands and no known bolcking skills for his offense. He ain't going to do it.
Not going to do it this draft, nor next year, not ever. Spread RB is a non starter in this offene. I don't care what kind of numbers he has.

Insideop
11-12-2007, 08:00 AM
And I don't know how to break this to some...this HC is not under any circumtances going to take a RB from a spread offense. I can see where beerlover is coming from with Stewart. I could see the South Carolina valcano here. But I can garuntee you Kubes is not going to take a little guy with questionable hands and no known bolcking skills for his offense. He ain't going to do it.Not going to do it this draft, nor next year, not ever. Spread RB is a non starter in this offene. I don't care what kind of numbers he has.

TTP, I hope you're right about this. I might not mind getting Phillips with the 9th pick (if that's where we pick), but I sure wouldn't be happy if we managed to get another late 1st round pick and used it to get Slanton. I don't know much about Slanton except what I've read. WalterFootball.com has him listed as 5'10", 195 lbs, with a 4.42 forty. They say he is "great at catching the ball out of the backfield." Sounds like a smaller version of Reggie Bush to me, and if that's the case, I'd rather use that pick on somebody else. Like a LT. JMHO!

kastofsna
11-12-2007, 08:27 AM
i don't think Slaton has the tendency to use those finesse moves as much as Bush. he's more of a straightline runner.

PapaL
11-12-2007, 08:34 AM
How hard is it to know the difference between resigns/re-signs and to/too?

beerlover
11-12-2007, 09:40 AM
And I don't know how to break this to some...this HC is not under any circumtances going to take a RB from a spread offense. I can see where beerlover is coming from with Stewart. I could see the South Carolina valcano here. But I can garuntee you Kubes is not going to take a little guy with questionable hands and no known bolcking skills for his offense. He ain't going to do it.
Not going to do it this draft, nor next year, not ever. Spread RB is a non starter in this offene. I don't care what kind of numbers he has.

yeah the Texans don't need this :cool:

http://community.theolympian.com/albums/album84/stewart.jpg

awtysst
11-12-2007, 01:05 PM
yeah the Texans don't need this :cool:

http://community.theolympian.com/albums/album84/stewart.jpg


Beerlover,
Are you seriously saying you would rather have a cut, muscular, speedy powerful 230lb back like Stewart over a soft, slow, gooey 245lb tap dancing back like this?!
http://blogs.chron.com/fanblogtexans/Ron%20Dayne.jpg
Surely you jest sir!

V Man
11-12-2007, 01:37 PM
Don't like the trading of next year's pick to get Slaton.

But I do like Phillips and love getting Reynaud in the 5th.

bah007
11-12-2007, 01:39 PM
Don't like the trading of next year's pick to get Slaton.

But I do like Phillips and love getting Reynaud in the 5th.

Personally, I dont want Slaton on this team.

Maybe he pans out in the pros, but I just dont like his game for our team.

beerlover
11-12-2007, 01:43 PM
Beerlover,
Are you seriously saying you would rather have a cut, muscular, speedy powerful 230lb back like Stewart over a soft, slow, gooey 245lb tap dancing back like this?!
http://blogs.chron.com/fanblogtexans/Ron%20Dayne.jpg
Surely you jest sir!

I'm saying the time to strike is now. if Stewart is there why/how could the Texans pass on a chance @ a special back? the idea of rb by committee is over, once we have the back keep the younger guys with upside around for depth & workload as it stands the Texans baseline for talent @ the RB position for a team that stresses the run is a :joker:

V Man
11-12-2007, 01:54 PM
Personally, I dont want Slaton on this team.

Maybe he pans out in the pros, but I just dont like his game for our team.

I think we are agree on this.

Mr teX
11-12-2007, 01:56 PM
Slaton will surely be gone by the 29th pick; he's arguably the 2nd best back in this draft so i figure someone else will get him before then. & if they pick another defensive player in the 1st, I think i'm going to go nuts.

Sure we need a couple of pieces on Defense, but we've been needing help on the o-line since we've existed & we haven't had a "real" franchise RB either.

I really think that most of the core peices for the defense are there, we just need to continue to develop them We've made pretty good strides from 05' to now on defense, lets get this offense up to the point where we can keep up with the top offenses so as to take a little pressure off of our defense, where we can pin our ears back a little & get after the QB.

TexansSeminole
11-12-2007, 02:22 PM
I would have liked the Kenny Phillips selection a couple weeks ago but now since Dunta is out and just thinking about how we don't have a nickel corner etiher I am in favor of drafting a CB in the first round. There are alot of guys we could choose from in the first round.

I really like Mike Jenkins. He is very smooth and has alot of speed. He also seems to have that lockdown mentality; he plays with alot of fire and doesn't seem to ever give up on plays.

Oh ya, and on the Slaton pick, while I don't like the trade, might work. He is much different from Green and Dayne and could give us another explosive offensive player. While Slaton reminds me of Reggie Bush, he doesn't go for that homerun everytime, he actually runs in between the tackles quite effectively because of how fast he gets down field.

awtysst
11-12-2007, 03:25 PM
I'm saying the time to strike is now. if Stewart is there why/how could the Texans pass on a chance @ a special back? the idea of rb by committee is over, once we have the back keep the younger guys with upside around for depth & workload as it stands the Texans baseline for talent @ the RB position for a team that stresses the run is a :joker:

Beerlover,
My post to you was meant to be sarcastic. I forgot to put the sarcastic tag on it though.

I really like Stewart. I feel there are a lot of places we could go in round 1 but my biggest thing is we always take BPA(outside of obvious places like QB, P, K, and FB). If Stewart is there when we pick, he is mighty tempting, but it depends who else is there and how they end up looking. I think you know about my thoughts on Clady...

Bubbajwp
11-12-2007, 03:26 PM
I really like the idea of our RB committee being made up by J Stewart, A Green, and Echemandu.

badboy
11-12-2007, 04:09 PM
We sign Asante Samuel CB.

Swap firsts and get a 2nd round.

1. Ryan Clady LT 2nd. Best Rb 3rd. Best FS 4th Best Center 5th Best OLB

Unless McFadden or Stewert avail in first then no trade.

beerlover
11-12-2007, 04:10 PM
We sign Asante Samuel CB.

Swap firsts and get a 2nd round.

1. Ryan Clady LT 2nd. Best Rb 3rd. Best FS 4th Best Center 5th Best OLB

Unless McFadden or Stewert avail in first then no trade.

make it happen :doot:

rickyb
11-12-2007, 09:03 PM
We sign Asante Samuel CB.

Swap firsts and get a 2nd round.

1. Ryan Clady LT 2nd. Best Rb 3rd. Best FS 4th Best Center 5th Best OLB

Unless McFadden or Stewert avail in first then no trade.

The Texans have zero shot at McFadden. Zero. Long off the board.

But, if Stewart is available, this may be why you MAKE the trade. Folks will give up a lot to grab the guy they gotta have. And there will be other backs to fall in love with.

badboy
11-13-2007, 10:04 AM
The Texans have zero shot at McFadden. Zero. Long off the board.

But, if Stewart is available, this may be why you MAKE the trade. Folks will give up a lot to grab the guy they gotta have. And there will be other backs to fall in love with.
Absolutely, inequivocaly, no way, completely you are wrong. They do have a shot if they lose enough games and teams above them pass. No one thought Okoye would drop and then he did. As it remains a possibility, I chose to say we would draft him. It is quite possible we could have a 4-12 record. There is nothing wrong with being an optimist, but reality could be someting else.

TexansSeminole
11-13-2007, 10:32 AM
Absolutely, inequivocaly, no way, completely you are wrong. They do have a shot if they lose enough games and teams above them pass. No one thought Okoye would drop and then he did. As it remains a possibility, I chose to say we would draft him. It is quite possible we could have a 4-12 record. There is nothing wrong with being an optimist, but reality could be someting else.

Best DT in the draft and Best RB in draft by far is quite different.

My guess is he will be drafted in the top 2 running backs. Doubt that teams will pass on him after what they have seen Adrian do.

badboy
11-13-2007, 12:08 PM
Best DT in the draft and Best RB in draft by far is quite different.

My guess is he will be drafted in the top 2 running backs. Doubt that teams will pass on him after what they have seen Adrian do.I agree that McFadden will be top back picked, but so what? Some mocks have DT Dorsey going first pick. My point is crazy and unexpected things happen. At this point of season how can you say that he will not be available at Texans pick? There are several teams below us now but that could change by the Tuesday in week 16. OR maybe New England trades down and that other team wants another position. (McFadden projected at 4th pick in mock I saw.) It is not too early to what if but several what ifs could happen. I think the first half of my earlier post is more likely then McFadden being available but to say "no way" is ridiculous to me.

threetoedpete
11-14-2007, 01:22 AM
Slaton will surely be gone by the 29th pick; he's arguably the 2nd best back in this draft so i figure someone else will get him before then. & if they pick another defensive player in the 1st, I think i'm going to go nuts.

Sure we need a couple of pieces on Defense, but we've been needing help on the o-line since we've existed & we haven't had a "real" franchise RB either.

I really think that most of the core peices for the defense are there, we just need to continue to develop them We've made pretty good strides from 05' to now on defense, lets get this offense up to the point where we can keep up with the top offenses so as to take a little pressure off of our defense, where we can pin our ears back a little & get after the QB.

The average has been three running backs in the first round the last five years. Maybe this class wiil be so extrodanary that it will break that trend...McFaddin may go #1 overall. And I believe that Stewart will be the second one. If he's there and you get the offer I believe you take the deal. They gotta patch the CB and find a center. And those two things live in the bottom of the first and through the second.

And Beerllover anything that comes out of a spread offense is going to have a knot tied in his tail. You should know that. They don't have the time to train the lad up and get him ready for the pros. And I don't care what kind of muscles he has , eventually he will have to block guys fifty to eighty pounds heavier. Guys running out of the spread don't do that a whole lot.
Stewart is a beast. But, you're still gonna have holes after you take the lad.
If they do this , I'm on board. Where we differ is you believe that he will be the majic bullet and I don't think any RB, no matter what the potential, how studly, is going to fix this mess by himself.

beerlover
11-14-2007, 08:58 AM
Beerllover anything that comes out of a spread offense is going to have a knot tied in his tail. You should know that. They don't have the time to train the lad up and get him ready for the pros. And I don't care what kind of muscles he has , eventually he will have to block guys fifty to eighty pounds heavier. Guys running out of the spread don't do that a whole lot.

Stewart is a beast. But, you're still gonna have holes after you take the lad.
If they do this , I'm on board. Where we differ is you believe that he will be the majic bullet and I don't think any RB, no matter what the potential, how studly, is going to fix this mess by himself.

DVR or if you can, watch the game live this thursday (Oregon vs. Arizona) on ESPN. the Cats have a great corner in Antoine Cason who has been named a national semifinalist for the Jim Thorpe Award. but as good as he is no way does he impact a game like a dominant RB does. sure the Texans have alot of needs to address & they can- via free agency & 2nd day picks anyone who goes to a Texans game knows they're missing an exciting gamebreaking ground game so when you have the chance to take one- don't pass him up.

case in point, look at how important Andre Johnson is to the Texans success & how in one season Rick Smith has built a solid group of WR's around him. remember how desperate the Texans need was @ WR before free agency & the 07 draft? thats what I'm forcasting with the RB situation if you draft J Stew (the Texans used the #3 pick on Andre in 03) allowing the young backs we presently have (Chris Taylor, Adimchinobi Echemandu) to flourish around him giving the Texans the quality/depth w/Ahman Green the next two years you have a proven veteren to mentor the rookie as well the rest of the pack, beleive me thats a winning combination setting the Texans @ RB, WR & QB positions.

now this whole thing you've got about the spread is just not accurate. Echemandu is from Cal, Cal runs a spread offense also produced Marshawn Lynch (who has really impressed me with his inside toughness). Maruice Jones Drew came from a spread offense @ UCLA hits the hole with explosion & power unafraid to run between the tackles. Jonathan Stewart is no different he is a pure powerback @ heart who has had to curtail his passion for running over people hence has stayed healthier & made more long plays from scrimmage. the one thing, the only thing, that you could question is blocking assingments, since they don't ask this alot from him @ Oregon. thats why its so important to watch these games & not just skip to the highlights or the stats to get the complete picture of the prospect.

the real big question is if he declares early for the draft (Junior)? then how you rate him? the way RB's are drafted is not based strictly on ratings its usually more about need, similar to LT's. looking back three years (05) three backs went in the top 10. Ronnie Brown #2 Miami, Cedric Benson #4 da bears & Carnell Williams #5 Tampa Bay. I watched alot of Auburn games & you could see Ronnie Browns upside, his ability to break arm tackles & speed in the second level. watched him again early this season @ Relient & was even more impressed with him, hard to bring down combination of size strength & speed but not near the bull running style he had in College seemed a bit more refined/elusive. anyway he was rated as the #1 prospect that draft (ourlads) but as good as his measureables & game exposure in College was Jonathan Stewart is faster, stronger, lower center of gravity & has better hands not to mention vertical..he is going to jump off the charts once he is measured out @ the combine then the Texans will not even have a chance to draft him so this makes it all a mute point anyway.

but if he is available, how can you possibly pass him up :cool:

Insideop
11-14-2007, 06:20 PM
The average has been three running backs in the first round the last five years. Maybe this class wiil be so extrodanary that it will break that trend...McFaddin may go #1 overall. And I believe that Stewart will be the second one. If he's there and you get the offer I believe you take the deal. They gotta patch the CB and find a center. And those two things live in the bottom of the first and through the second.

And Beerllover anything that comes out of a spread offense is going to have a knot tied in his tail. You should know that. They don't have the time to train the lad up and get him ready for the pros. And I don't care what kind of muscles he has , eventually he will have to block guys fifty to eighty pounds heavier. Guys running out of the spread don't do that a whole lot.
Stewart is a beast. But, you're still gonna have holes after you take the lad.
If they do this , I'm on board. Where we differ is you believe that he will be the majic bullet and I don't think any RB, no matter what the potential, how studly, is going to fix this mess by himself.

You're right TTP, Stewart won't be the "magic bullet" for this team. I don't know if there is anybody out there that is. But, he will be a piece to the puzzle, and if he's there when we pick, I hope we take him. I know we still need a "stud" LT and a "stud" Center, and now a "stud" CB too, but if Stewart's there, we have to take him. Just too good to pass up. JMHO!

threetoedpete
11-14-2007, 08:00 PM
And so was Adrian Peterson, all day. And what did i tell you guys. Yes he's a stud. But the little injury thingy was a knot tied into his tail. And what's happened...the guy didn't make it through nine games befor he got dinged. Coincidence ? OK. Draft Stewart. Same old same old with different frosting. At least he meets the requirements. Just hope they can coach the blocking thing up in six months with the lad.

threetoedpete
11-14-2007, 08:22 PM
You're right TTP, Stewart won't be the "magic bullet" for this team. I don't know if there is anybody out there that is. But, he will be a piece to the puzzle, and if he's there when we pick, I hope we take him. I know we still need a "stud" LT and a "stud" Center, and now a "stud" CB too, but if Stewart's there, we have to take him. Just too good to pass up. JMHO!

Well, JMHO, the injury to Robinson ought to be a red flag to anyone who's paying attenntion. They are caught between a rock and a hard spot. Do you re-sign him or settle him. The fact of the matter is the core of this team is going to get old fast. At least with the few players who can play at this level. And with the little things it's always next year. Well some year , after all of the next years, somebody is going to figure out that you have got to fix the little details before you pick up the prety bobbles. After five years worth of next years I've had a belly full. Yes it's goin to hurt like hades to pass on a tallent like Stewart. But, in the long run the team will be better off hitting two or three instead of one. But y'all do what you wanna. I mean watching the pooch on the porch chasing it's tail is entertain for a while...but five years of chasing...let's try something different. Get an offer let's skip the gravy and hit some steak. This football team has gravy by the buckets full.

Ole Miss Texan
11-15-2007, 01:53 AM
As awesome as Adrian Peterson has been, if we had the option of any players...I'd still take Joe Thomas. He's been rock solid and should solidify the Browns line for a decade and a half. The problem with this draft is there isn't a Joe Thomas, imo. And there is no way we would even have a shot at him anyways. However, Jonathan Stewart is closer to Peterson's abilities than Ryan Clady is to Joe Thomas.

The1ApplePie
11-15-2007, 09:19 AM
Slaton is comparred to Portis more than anyone, and Portis was possibly the best ZBS RB of all time

Mr teX
11-15-2007, 09:32 AM
Slaton is comparred to Portis more than anyone, and Portis was possibly the best ZBS RB of all time

& he's always hurt.... but something about slaton i just don't like. has nothing to do with the system he's in, i just question his heart every since he took himself out of the big louisville game last year & he appears to only run hard when the hole is gapping. I don't know maybe i'm over-analyzing.

badboy
11-15-2007, 10:07 AM
As awesome as Adrian Peterson has been, if we had the option of any players...I'd still take Joe Thomas. He's been rock solid and should solidify the Browns line for a decade and a half. The problem with this draft is there isn't a Joe Thomas, imo. And there is no way we would even have a shot at him anyways. However, Jonathan Stewart is closer to Peterson's abilities than Ryan Clady is to Joe Thomas.You prefer Johnathan Stewart. I prefer Ryan Clady and a 2nd round selection.

badboy
11-15-2007, 10:11 AM
And so was Adrian Peterson, all day. And what did i tell you guys. Yes he's a stud. But the little injury thingy was a knot tied into his tail. And what's happened...the guy didn't make it through nine games befor he got dinged. Coincidence ? OK. Draft Stewart. Same old same old with different frosting. At least he meets the requirements. Just hope they can coach the blocking thing up in six months with the lad.
Just curious, what percentage of RBs get hurt each year? And does their productivity during the games they do play support that RBs selection?

Ole Miss Texan
11-15-2007, 10:19 AM
You prefer Johnathan Stewart. I prefer Ryan Clady and a 2nd round selection.

I'm always interested in trading down.

1. We def. need OL help and Clady would be a great pick
2. We might be able to get a solid DB here.
3. We could still get a solid RB in the 3rd.

I'm starting to be re-interested in Mike Hart who could be a really solid player for this team. What round is he being projected to go in?

bah007
11-15-2007, 10:29 AM
I'm always interested in trading down.

1. We def. need OL help and Clady would be a great pick
2. We might be able to get a solid DB here.
3. We could still get a solid RB in the 3rd.

I'm starting to be re-interested in Mike Hart who could be a really solid player for this team. What round is he being projected to go in?

I've mostly seen Hart projected from late 1st to late 2nd.

I think he's real solid. Never fumbles, runs hard, decent burst, & a complete team player.

badboy
11-15-2007, 11:19 AM
I've mostly seen Hart projected from late 1st to late 2nd.

I think he's real solid. Never fumbles, runs hard, decent burst, & a complete team player.This is what I am hoping for, Clady in first as we need another LT even if Spencer (please, please) returns and is good as all hope. A solid back in 2nd. I see these two positions more neccesary than FS. Our free agent off season should strengthen CBs (I want Samuel) which makes LB and D line better. A FS propect in 3rd or 4th would be fantastic. I may be wrong but do not see Texans drafting a center. Green ($ owed), draft selection, FA (maybe Julius Jones) and maybe Eche depending on how he performs next 7. If not very good, we should be ok with three I listed and see what's available in later rounds or even undrafted FA. If things break just right, we can address most of our needs this year. Now wouldn't that be exciting?

beerlover
11-15-2007, 12:22 PM
I've mostly seen Hart projected from late 1st to late 2nd.

I think he's real solid. Never fumbles, runs hard, decent burst, & a complete team player.

Hart, has been projected in the 1st but don't bank on it. would take a combination of factors.

like he needs to come back & have a breakout game against Ohio State (been injured) finishing the season strong including bowl game too. a solid performance @ the senior bowl never hurt anyone & how about better than expected combine thrown in for good measure? Hart would also need the Junior class to "just stay in school" & teams to reach for RB because of NEED.

more likely he is a second rd. pick for a team in need & more likely is closer to bpa if he falls into the 3rd rd. thats where y'all want him to fall? remember he runs behind a pretty good offensive line & he doesn't really have the size 5'9" 195 to run between the tackles downhill style, if he misses games in College how many more games does he miss in the NFL? Darius Walker thinks he's small :specnatz: & he hasn't excatly lit it up :survivor:

Mr teX
11-15-2007, 12:51 PM
Hart, has been projected in the 1st but don't bank on it. would take a combination of factors.

like he needs to come back & have a breakout game against Ohio State (been injured) finishing the season strong including bowl game too. a solid performance @ the senior bowl never hurt anyone & how about better than expected combine thrown in for good measure? Hart would also need the Junior class to "just stay in school" & teams to reach for RB because of NEED.

more likely he is a second rd. pick for a team in need & more likely is closer to bpa if he falls into the 3rd rd. thats where y'all want him to fall? remember he runs behind a pretty good offensive line & he doesn't really have the size 5'9" 195 to run between the tackles downhill style, if he misses games in College how many more games does he miss in the NFL? Darius Walker thinks he's small :specnatz: & he hasn't excatly lit it up :survivor:


He probably won't even play in the senior bowl b/c i don't think he thinks he's going to have to.

Stewart, Slaton, Smith, Rice & jones (The other arkansas RB); you have to figure 1 of the bottom 4 will stay to increase his draft spot for the next year.

YoungTexanFan
11-15-2007, 03:11 PM
He probably won't even play in the senior bowl b/c i don't think he thinks he's going to have to.

Stewart, Slaton, Smith, Rice & jones (The other arkansas RB); you have to figure 1 of the bottom 4 will stay to increase his draft spot for the next year.

I'm thinking Slaton stays with White for their Senior years. I think both Arkansas RB's enter, with both being top 20 picks. There is no hope at that program, and they will be doing to get out as early as they can. Rice would be better off to stay, but may not. Stewart has used a lot of hype and media attention from his school to get his attention. I am not as big on him as others, but he is a solid first round back. He will come out this year.

tulexan
11-15-2007, 04:16 PM
I'm thinking Slaton stays with White for their Senior years. I think both Arkansas RB's enter, with both being top 20 picks. There is no hope at that program, and they will be doing to get out as early as they can. Rice would be better off to stay, but may not. Stewart has used a lot of hype and media attention from his school to get his attention. I am not as big on him as others, but he is a solid first round back. He will come out this year.

I agree. Arkansas has no hope next year to be good. Slaton and White returning does have a shot at the national championship and Slaton putting up huge numbers next year can propel him to a top 5 pick.

Insideop
11-15-2007, 05:49 PM
As of now (11/15) we have the 13th pick in the Draft. Would we still be able to get Phillips at 13? I think most have him projected as a top 10 pick at this time. And what if we finished, say 9-7 or 8-8, that would take us out of the top 15 for sure, and more than likely Stewart would be gone too. What would you do then?

For me, this might not be a bad thing, especially if we could find a trade partner to trade back with and maybe pick up an extra 3rd or late 2nd rounder. This might enable us to get a good CB like Mike Jenkins or Justin King, or a good LT like Clady in the 1st round. Then get the best Center you can find in the late 2nd or early 3rd like Alex Mack or Mike Pollak. With your next 3rd round pick you can go after a RB like Cory Boyd, or if you went after the CB in the 1st, you could pick a LT like Heath Benedict or Max Unger.

There are multiple possibilities with this and other scenarios. Maybe I need to start my own mock. LOL! Na, too early, but still fun to play with! :user:

tulexan
11-15-2007, 07:27 PM
If Phillips isn't available, I'd take Felix Jones. I still think he is going to be better than Jonathan Stewart.

badboy
11-16-2007, 10:18 AM
If Phillips isn't available, I'd take Felix Jones. I still think he is going to be better than Jonathan Stewart.Jones has good avg with receptions as well as rushes. No one seems to be tooting his horn, though.

tulexan
11-16-2007, 10:23 AM
Jones has good avg with receptions as well as rushes. No one seems to be tooting his horn, though.

Probably because he is being overshadowed by McFadden. It's crazy though, people were creaming over Reggie having an 8 ypc average his junior year and Felix has a 9 ypc and no one talks about it.

badboy
11-16-2007, 10:43 AM
Probably because he is being overshadowed by McFadden. It's crazy though, people were creaming over Reggie having an 8 ypc average his junior year and Felix has a 9 ypc and no one talks about it.Jones is listed at 38 on Draft Insider' Digest of top 50 pro prospects. If we don't come out of this draft with at least two starters, I will flip.

threetoedpete
11-16-2007, 12:35 PM
Probably because he is being overshadowed by McFadden. It's crazy though, people were creaming over Reggie having an 8 ypc average his junior year and Felix has a 9 ypc and no one talks about it.

Well Maybe Two Lane...they look errie simular to Lindale White and Reggie Bush. And it depends on who you ask as to who's who and what's what in those two scenarios playing out in the NFL currently. Ya know what I mean ? Who needs who more ? Which guy is the sugar and which guy is the cake ? One guy bangs in between the tackles and one guy cuts to the side lines. Know what I mean two Lane ? I think in think you'd be getting a bargin in thrid round with Felix Jones. But the first two thingies Mr. Jones must have is a great line and a complimentary guy toting the load. Up to you to figure out what that is worth in the NFL world.

badboy
11-16-2007, 01:12 PM
Well Maybe Two Lane...they look errie simular to Lindale White and Reggie Bush. And it depends on who you ask as to who's who and what's what in those two scenarios playing out in the NFL currently. Ya know what I mean ? Who needs who more ? Which guy is the sugar and which guy is the cake ? One guy bangs in between the tackles and one guy cuts to the side lines. Know what I mean two Lane ? I think in think you'd be getting a bargin in thrid round with Felix Jones. But the first two thingies Mr. Jones must have is a great line and a complimentary guy toting the load. Up to you to figure out what that is worth in the NFL world.So in your opinion a trade down picking up a 2nd round: first- Sam Baker or Clady 2nd round- CB Justin King or Ikegwouna or Dwight Lowery 3rd round Felix Jones would be a sweet draft?

tulexan
11-16-2007, 01:18 PM
I agree there are some similarities between Reggie and Felix, but I think the difference is that Felix has more power and seems to have a more balanced build compared to Reggie who mostly has upper body definition.

The sharing duties argument can be made about almost all of the major RB prospects this year. McFadden has Jones, Jones has McFadden, Stewart has Dixon, Mendenhall has Juice, Slaton has White. The running backs who are truly carrying the rock on their own without anyone else to help them out are Rice, Hart, Smith, and Forte.

TexansSeminole
11-16-2007, 01:26 PM
So in your opinion a trade down picking up a 2nd round: first- Sam Baker or Clady 2nd round- CB Justin King or Ikegwouna or Dwight Lowery 3rd round Felix Jones would be a sweet draft?

I like Dwight Lowery too, but I am not sure he will be there in the 3rd. Hope so though.

rickyb
11-16-2007, 07:34 PM
Absolutely, inequivocaly, no way, completely you are wrong. They do have a shot if they lose enough games and teams above them pass. No one thought Okoye would drop and then he did. As it remains a possibility, I chose to say we would draft him. It is quite possible we could have a 4-12 record. There is nothing wrong with being an optimist, but reality could be someting else.

Care to make it interesting?

Zero. Shot.

Mark it. Same thing happened last year with all the man-love for All Day. I even got sucked up in it. There is what you want and what you hope for, and then there is the world as it truly exists. The Texans will be drafting in the middle of the pack. I stand by my 8-8 prediction. As such, McFadden is loooooooooooooooooooong gone.

Besides that, my point was/is that if there is a top RB on the board (Jonathan?) when the Texans name is called, maybe it makes sense to pull the trigger on a trade. The Texans could benefit from more picks. Center, tackle, outside LB, free safety, corner, strong safety, wide receiver... Lots of opportunities.

Zero chance to pick McFadden. It isn't personal. Just probable.

tulexan
11-17-2007, 06:32 PM
Well Maybe Two Lane...they look errie simular to Lindale White and Reggie Bush. And it depends on who you ask as to who's who and what's what in those two scenarios playing out in the NFL currently. Ya know what I mean ? Who needs who more ? Which guy is the sugar and which guy is the cake ? One guy bangs in between the tackles and one guy cuts to the side lines. Know what I mean two Lane ? I think in think you'd be getting a bargin in thrid round with Felix Jones. But the first two thingies Mr. Jones must have is a great line and a complimentary guy toting the load. Up to you to figure out what that is worth in the NFL world.

Looks like McFadden needs Jones more than people think. He didn't look too great tonight running the ball when he was the focus of the defense.

Kevin Smith and Matt Forte again looked great today. Smith had 177 yards and 3 touchdowns (didn't play in the second half because it was a rout) and Forte had 194 yards and 5 touchdowns. Forte has also eclipsed the 2,000 yard mark for the season and could sneak into the top 3 season of all time with a solid game against ECU next week.

Insideop
11-17-2007, 09:30 PM
Besides that, my point was/is that if there is a top RB on the board (Jonathan?) when the Texans name is called, maybe it makes sense to pull the trigger on a trade. The Texans could benefit from more picks. Center, tackle, outside LB, free safety, corner, strong safety, wide receiver... Lots of opportunities.

If Stewart is there when we pick and we have trade down offers, it's going to be a tough call. On one hand, I wouldn't mind having the extra pick(s) to fill some of our other holes, but on the other hand, Stewart could be that "stud" RB that Kubes and Sherman have been looking for. I haven't heard of any injury issues with Stewart and from what I've read and heard he sounds like he could be that tough, between-the-tackles type runner that Kubes/Sherman like.

I guess I'm just not as sold on the other RB's that will be selected after Stewart. Most of them seem to be too small (light) or have injury issues that throw up too many "red flags" to be a good fit on this team. I don't want to get another DD/W in the 3rd or 4th round and then he's gone in a couple of years because of bad knees or something else.

Well, there's alot of football between now and the Draft and we don't know how this whole thing will play out. So, I guess I'll just keep an eye out to what's going on and continue to analyze the situation as it develops, just like the rest of you. JMHO!

Mr PC
11-18-2007, 06:32 PM
draft
1. OT Clady
3. safety
4-7 BPA

If we need to trade up from the 3rd round to get a good safety then we should do it.


FA moves
sign RB M. Turner
sign a mid-level #2/3 cornerback
resign LB Clark

Ole Miss Texan
11-18-2007, 08:54 PM
I'm starting to like this...

San Francisco trades up with us to select a player they REALLY want...let's pretend he is Desean Jackson? We get their late first (Indy's original) and their early 2nd rd pick.

1. Ray Rice- RB- Fresno St.
2. Reggie Smith- CB/FS- Oklahoma
3. Hopefully find a good Pass Rushing DE or a really good Center

Then in 2009 draft- We select Michael Oher-LT in the 1st round...but we might have to trade up for him. :)

LonerATO
11-18-2007, 09:09 PM
I like Mr. PC line-up with clady and trying to get turner