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Texans_Chick
11-06-2007, 08:24 AM
I heard part of a radio promo that suggested that Dunta Robinson's injury might be worse than the hamstring, knee combo. But then I didn't hear the report.

But this is what was said in McClain's latest blog (http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2007/11/so_long_dunta_hello_andre_brin.html)(which is actually a good read today because it is all Texans football).

I would like to think that those of you who use this forum to insult the Texans and each other would feel sympathy for Dunta Robinson. When he undergoes surgery on Tuesday, the doctors may find more than a torn anterior cruciate ligament and a hamstring torn so severely that the muscle is detached from the bone.

Marcus
11-06-2007, 08:33 AM
I thought it was an ominous sign yesterday during Kubiak's news conference, where he would only talk about surgery on the ACL, but 'deferred questions to the doctors' regarding the hamstring.

Sounds career ending, if you ask me.

Shaft75
11-06-2007, 08:44 AM
I thought it was an ominous sign yesterday during Kubiak's news conference, where he would only talk about surgery on the ACL, but 'deferred questions to the doctors' regarding the hamstring.

Sounds career ending, if you ask me.

You're kidding me right? Career ending?

When would we be able to possibly know that? I hope the best but this really sounds bad now. I have heard the words "career ending" a couple of times now.

drewmar74
11-06-2007, 08:49 AM
Why don't we all just chill out and wait until we hear the information from the doctors? We're all just speculating at this point, anyway. So far, we've prayed for his full recovery in '08, converted him to FS, and put him out to pasture forever.

Maybe he will come back in '08. Maybe he'll bulk up and compete with Bradlee Van Pelt in the safety position. Maybe he's done and can become a DB coach. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe.

No one knows all the facts yet so let's all just get a cup of coffee and settle down until we hear from the doctors. Or CND.

Speaking of that, where has CND been? Out of all the speculation regarding this injury, CND's opinion is the one I've been looking to read....

dalemurphy
11-06-2007, 08:50 AM
I thought it was an ominous sign yesterday during Kubiak's news conference, where he would only talk about surgery on the ACL, but 'deferred questions to the doctors' regarding the hamstring.

Sounds career ending, if you ask me.

Based on the research I've done, a player could return to 100% after the most severe hamstring injury in about 3 months...

Again, the issue is whether the PCL and/or Patella tendon is also torn in the knee, or just the ACL and MCL. When the PCL is torn along with the ACL and MCL, it's known as the "unhappy triad". Other players that suffered that injury include W. McGahee and Culpepper. Meanwhile, if it's just an ACL, you can go back 15 years and find a list of guys that recovered fully from that: Michael Irvin in 1990?, Terry Allen, Jamal Lewis had both torn and repaired prior to his 2000 yard season.

Texan_Bill
11-06-2007, 08:51 AM
You're kidding me right? Career ending?

When would we be able to possibly know that? I hope the best but this really sounds bad now. I have heard the words "career ending" a couple of times now.

Who knows Shaft... I'm feeling a little pessimistic today..

I dont beleive anything they tell us anymore. If we were to listen to the Texans Medical / PR staff, they would have you beleive that Dominick Davis Williams is on the road to recovery... :rolleyes:

With that said, I am going to convince myself for now, that we have seen Dunta play his last game... If he ever makes it back - BONUS!!

infantrycak
11-06-2007, 08:53 AM
Why don't we all just chill out and wait until we hear the information from the doctors?

You'll just have to get used to the fact that some people will project the worst possible scenario every time. Some times they will be right and some times they won't--they'll only remember the former.

I'm with you--it is silly to speculate sitting on the outside dealing with 1/100th of the information available to medical personnel.

Trap_Star
11-06-2007, 08:55 AM
*sigh*

nunusguy
11-06-2007, 09:04 AM
You'll just have to get used to the fact that some people will project the worst possible scenario every time. Some times they will be right and some times they won't--they'll only remember the former.

I'm with you--it is silly to speculate sitting on the outside dealing with 1/100th of the information available to medical personnel.
"Robinson is still undergoing tests, but said he thinks he damaged the anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee. He also damaged his hamstring - ripping it completely off the bone. He is out for the rest of the season. Robinson has never missed a start in four seasons."
http://blogs.chron.com/gamedaytexans/2007/11/dunta_likely_out_for_season_ca.html
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The comments some of us are making are not wild speculation, but based upon such info as this from Megan Manfull's Chron Blog, who has surprisingly delevoped into a farly competant NFL reporter, though I will admit she still makes an occasional gaffe from time to time. But she's learning.

Texans_Chick
11-06-2007, 09:05 AM
You'll just have to get used to the fact that some people will project the worst possible scenario every time. Some times they will be right and some times they won't--they'll only remember the former.

I'm with you--it is silly to speculate sitting on the outside dealing with 1/100th of the information available to medical personnel.


I am just wanting to know if anyone heard the radio report.

And I also think that if you know that it might be worse than what was originally reported, it doesn't make you drive off the road when you finally hear what the real news is.

As it relates to relying on what the medical personnel say, I like to hear what is being said but prefer to get my own information. Looking for the best information you can find. Because otherwise you end up buy a Boselli jersey, or you think it is realistic that Charles Spencer will be back for training camp.

I wish that I could rely on what I heard from the Chronicle or what I hear from the Texans.

Texans_Chick
11-06-2007, 09:07 AM
[QUOTE=nunusguy;778326]"Robinson is still undergoing tests, but said he thinks he damaged the anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee. He also damaged his hamstring - ripping it completely off the bone. He is out for the rest of the season. Robinson has never missed a start in four seasons."
http://blogs.chron.com/gamedaytexans/2007/11/dunta_likely_out_for_season_ca.html


The radio promo I heard suggested it could be worse than this. McClain's blog implies something similar. Sometimes McClain can't say stuff yet, but foreshadows it in his blog.

GlassHalfFull
11-06-2007, 09:09 AM
Why don't we all just chill out and wait until we hear the information from the doctors? We're all just speculating at this point, anyway. So far, we've prayed for his full recovery in '08, converted him to FS, and put him out to pasture forever.

Maybe he will come back in '08. Maybe he'll bulk up and compete with Bradlee Van Pelt in the safety position. Maybe he's done and can become a DB coach. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe.

No one knows all the facts yet so let's all just get a cup of coffee and settle down until we hear from the doctors. Or CND.

Speaking of that, where has CND been? Out of all the speculation regarding this injury, CND's opinion is the one I've been looking to read....

You must spread rep around before yada yada yada....

Also, please let's not get so caught up in what we want for the Texans that we overlook what is best for Dunta. My thoughts and prayers go out to him and I hope he makes a full recovery for his sake.

Ole Miss Texan
11-06-2007, 09:34 AM
Why don't we all just chill out and wait until we hear the information from the doctors? We're all just speculating at this point, anyway. So far, we've prayed for his full recovery in '08, converted him to FS, and put him out to pasture forever.


Well when it come to injuries, the Texans to a pretty bad job of giving the media/fans accurate information. When was the last time they came out and told us what was really going on...

We're speculating either way..if we trust what the organization is saying..we're blind fools and are still expecting Spencer to come back 100% 9 weeks ago.

I don't always leap for the worst possible thing but I try to be as realistic as I can. To think Dunta is going to be back for the start of the '08 season is wishful-thinking at best. This is a more severe injury than most people think and is going to take a long time to heal. I'm not writing off ever getting Dunta back again, but I am writing off the rest of this season and all of '08. There is no reason for me to believe he's going to be back any sooner.

drewmar74
11-06-2007, 09:37 AM
The radio promo I heard suggested it could be worse than this. McClain's blog implies something similar. Sometimes McClain can't say stuff yet, but foreshadows it in his blog.

Understood. My frustration, though, wasn't aimed in your direction, TC. I like the fact that people are quick to put up tidbits of information as they become available.

So said, its not the information sharing that bothers me, its the rampant speculation that's out of hand.

Well when it come to injuries, the Texans to a pretty bad job of giving the media/fans accurate information. When was the last time they came out and told us what was really going on...

We're speculating either way..if we trust what the organization is saying..we're blind fools and are still expecting Spencer to come back 100% 9 weeks ago.

I don't always leap for the worst possible thing but I try to be as realistic as I can. To think Dunta is going to be back for the start of the '08 season is wishful-thinking at best. This is a more severe injury than most people think and is going to take a long time to heal. I'm not writing off ever getting Dunta back again, but I am writing off the rest of this season and all of '08. There is no reason for me to believe he's going to be back any sooner.

Agreed on all points. Again, though, its just the rampant speculation that has gotten a bit crazy. It has surpassed speculation on AJ's knee and Charles Spencer by a mile....

Dread-Head
11-06-2007, 09:38 AM
Why God...WHY!?! :cry2:

SheTexan
11-06-2007, 10:23 AM
If there's even a REMOTE possibility that Dunta can return, if that be one year or two, he will be the man to do it!! I can see him starting rehab in the recovery room!!:ouch: I can assure you, we won't know the FINAL answer to this question for months to come! Let's all just let him know how much we care and wish him well!! Signs all over Reliant at the Saints game would be a good start. I'm gonna make one, that's for sure.

HOU-TEX
11-06-2007, 10:29 AM
Why God...WHY!?! :cry2:

This about sums it up for me too. This sucks!! :gun:

Double Barrel
11-06-2007, 10:35 AM
It's the Texans....assume the worst. :howdy: until proven otherwise

HOU-TEX
11-06-2007, 10:43 AM
It's the Texans....assume the worst. :howdy: until proven otherwise

Understandable, that's another reason for "This sucks". It's very difficult being a fan in Houston. :pirate:

hollywood_texan
11-06-2007, 11:02 AM
I was at the game, 40 yard line, 2 second row.

I wasn't focused on the play exact, but I looked over there directly right afterwards.

Just by the pain Dunta was experiencing and the reaction of the medical staff and other players, this is a very serious injury that very well could end his career.

I will be shocked if this is just a run of the mill ACL or whatever injury.

Wish you well Dunta, in all regards.

dalemurphy
11-06-2007, 11:08 AM
[QUOTE=nunusguy;778326]"Robinson is still undergoing tests, but said he thinks he damaged the anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee. He also damaged his hamstring - ripping it completely off the bone. He is out for the rest of the season. Robinson has never missed a start in four seasons."
http://blogs.chron.com/gamedaytexans/2007/11/dunta_likely_out_for_season_ca.html


The radio promo I heard suggested it could be worse than this. McClain's blog implies something similar. Sometimes McClain can't say stuff yet, but foreshadows it in his blog.


I'd be fine if McClain had inside info that he could only hint at... because, he also said that the injury, while it could be quite serious, isn't career threatening.

Errant Hothy
11-07-2007, 08:26 AM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/sports/5280150.html

Texans cornerback Dunta Robinson did not undergo surgery Tuesday because agent Jason Chayut asked him to get a second opinion from Dr. James Andrews of Birmingham, Ala.

The Texans had no problem with Robinson, 25, getting a second opinion on the surgery, which will be rescheduled and performed within the next few days.

I'm actually really glad that Dunta is going to go and see Dr. Andrews; as he has a well deserved rep of being the doctor to get athletes back on the field as close to their original performance as medically possible.

Ahman Green is going to Birmingham as well, so take that for what it is worth.

houstonhurricane
11-07-2007, 08:51 AM
I agree - I think it is a good move for both players to make that trip. Let's hope for some good news on both fronts...

Fox
11-07-2007, 08:51 AM
Dr. Andrews is the godfather of sports medicine, if I was a major athlete with a serious and/or hard to diagnose injury I'd definitely take the flight to Birmingham too. Hopefully they both get hopeful news.

eriadoc
11-07-2007, 09:11 AM
I wonder if Dr. James Andrews plays fantasy football.

:splits:

Dread-Head
11-07-2007, 10:55 AM
Why God? WHYYYYYY?!?!?!:cry2:

Hardcore Texan
11-07-2007, 11:25 AM
Whatever helps Dunta recover and get healthy, that comes first obviously. Next, I am really hoping his career can continue as it was.

Overalls
11-07-2007, 12:05 PM
I can understand Duntas' desire to get a 2nd opinion and I hope everything goes well.

I have been wondering if the Texans have been doing something wrong with their conditioning or training process. How many teams have come close to leading the league with players on IR as many times as we have over such a short period of time. It can't be just the playing field because we are losing players like Dunta in away games also. I don't know how much a strength and conditioning coach can do to help prevent such injuries but we did keep the same strength and conditioning coach during the change over to coach Kubes didn't we? It seems like our medical staff isn't in any hurry to bring people back so I don't think we are ruching people back too soon all the time.

:fans:

Mr teX
11-07-2007, 12:33 PM
i know it's a mere formality for dunta, but i don't think any competent doctor is going to mis diagnose a torn ACL & a hammy ripped smooth off the bone..

Yankee_In_TX
11-07-2007, 01:03 PM
Let's move this Doc to Houston, lol.

I agree overalls. Why are our players so fragile (sounds sarcastic, but I am being serious). off the top of my head
-Davis/Williams
-Joppru
-Spencer (how could I forget him?)
-Mathis
-McKinney
-Earl
-Brown
-OD
-Schaub (that one may not apply)
-Green
-Dayne (this one may not count - ribs)
-JJ
-Dre
-Dunta
-What's his name from UT

ledzeppelin229
11-07-2007, 01:09 PM
I agree to an extent, but I don't really think Dunta's injury falls under that category. Cochran is a pretty big guy to be falling on your leg, especially in awkward positions.

threetoedpete
11-07-2007, 01:09 PM
Well any time an agent is pushing for a second opinon...makes me wonder that the pilimanary news is not good. They're not going to know anything for sure untill they open it up. This isn't good news.

drewmar74
11-07-2007, 01:15 PM
Well any time an agent is pushing for a second opinon...makes me wonder that the pilimanary news is not good. They're not going to know anything for sure untill they open it up. This isn't good news.

I wouldn't read too much into it right now. Andrews is regarded as one of the premier orthapedic specialists in the US. I state this strictly anecdotally but it seems like every time you have a high profile athlete with a "blown-out-something," Andrews is the one that they go to.

The fact that the agent wants him to look at it says, at least to me, that he's wanting the absolute best possible care for his client. Shoot, Dunta could make his agent a nice payday. If I were the agent, I'd want James Andrews to look at him, too!

TexanSam
11-07-2007, 01:15 PM
It didn't take long to get that 2nd opinion...

Texans cornerback Dunta Robinson will have surgery to repair his torn anterior cruciate ligament Thursday after seeking a second opinion from Dr. James Andrews of Birmingham, Ala.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5280150.html

drewmar74
11-07-2007, 01:18 PM
It didn't take long to get that 2nd opinion...



http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5280150.html

Yeah, but I think its interesting that they didn't say anything about the hammy. Or Ahman's knee.

*sigh*

I try really hard to stay positive about all of this, but it sure does get hard.

Leahmic223
11-07-2007, 02:42 PM
Yeah, but I think its interesting that they didn't say anything about the hammy. Or Ahman's knee.

*sigh*

I try really hard to stay positive about all of this, but it sure does get hard.

It does.

In Sunday's victory at Oakland, Robinson suffered a torn ACL in his right knee and a severely torn hamstring on the same leg, and both will have to be surgically repaired.

Sounds really bad.

Spike
11-07-2007, 02:48 PM
What is the recovery time on something like this? Spencer will have basically been out two full seasons. I suspect it would take a smaller guy a shorter period to get back on track, but who the heck knows.

Is there another team in the NFL that has had wose luck with injuries in the past five years? When you combine the bad luck with the bad decisions...you have to feel lucky that we can put a competitve team on the field.

Mr teX
11-07-2007, 03:12 PM
What is the recovery time on something like this? Spencer will have basically been out two full seasons. I suspect it would take a smaller guy a shorter period to get back on track, but who the heck knows.

Is there another team in the NFL that has had wose luck with injuries in the past five years? When you combine the bad luck with the bad decisions...you have to feel lucky that we can put a competitve team on the field.

What is this "competitive" you speak of?

We'll be lucky if we see Dunta any next year. A hammy torn straight off the bone? i shudder to think the kind of pain that brings, & this is coming from someone who sees the insides of peoples' chest in heart surgery all day.

Ole Miss Texan
11-07-2007, 03:12 PM
Let's move this Doc to Houston, lol.

I agree overalls. Why are our players so fragile (sounds sarcastic, but I am being serious). off the top of my head
-Davis/Williams
-Joppru
-Spencer (how could I forget him?)
-Mathis
-McKinney
-Earl
-Brown
-OD
-Schaub (that one may not apply)
-Green
-Dayne (this one may not count - ribs)
-JJ
-Dre
-Dunta
-What's his name from UT

Don't forget Cedric Killinings, Jason Simmons, Brandon Harrison, and Chris Taylor!

Leahmic223
11-07-2007, 03:29 PM
What is this "competitive" you speak of?

We'll be lucky if we see Dunta any next year. A hammy torn straight off the bone? i shudder to think the kind of pain that brings, & this is coming from someone who sees the insides of peoples' chest in heart surgery all day.

Believe it or not, we are still in the playoff hunt :shades: Not saying we are going to make a run for it...but hey at least we are not 1-7.

But yeah, the injury sounds REALLY bad. I hope he returns one year, 2 year, I just hope he does. Also if it is 2 seasons long...what is the chance that we re-sign him?

Mr teX
11-07-2007, 03:36 PM
Believe it or not, we are still in the playoff hunt :shades: Not saying we are going to make a run for it...but hey at least we are not 1-7.

But yeah, the injury sounds REALLY bad. I hope he returns one year, 2 year, I just hope he does. Also if it is 2 seasons long...what is the chance that we re-sign him?

well given the texans track record of signing people who ideally shouldn't be here/back, i think that if he comes back & shows that he can still play @ a somewhat high level, they'll resign him.

There's no doubt though, that this injury may have costed him MILLIONS b/c he's surely not going to be the same guy he was b4 - which was a top 10 corner.

GlassHalfFull
11-07-2007, 04:48 PM
I hope this guy know what he is talking about. Someone on the chronicle comments sections had the following to say

many many many players fully recover from ACL reconstruction. It's become a common surgery now. The torn hamstring is the least of the issue Dunta is facing. It's a tough rehab process, but one that Dunta is fully capable of completing. Barring set backs, he should be able to be in training camp next year.

texanfan2002114
11-07-2007, 10:58 PM
What is the recovery time on something like this? Spencer will have basically been out two full seasons. I suspect it would take a smaller guy a shorter period to get back on track, but who the heck knows.

Is there another team in the NFL that has had wose luck with injuries in the past five years? When you combine the bad luck with the bad decisions...you have to feel lucky that we can put a competitve team on the field.

Coach Kubes said Monday on sports radio 610 that he was told that the recovery time was 6 to 8 months. 6 months best case and 8 months worst case.

threetoedpete
11-08-2007, 12:47 AM
well given the texans track record of signing people who ideally shouldn't be here/back, i think that if he comes back & shows that he can still play @ a somewhat high level, they'll resign him.

There's no doubt though, that this injury may have costed him MILLIONS b/c he's surely not going to be the same guy he was b4 - which was a top 10 corner.

The trouble with this is....you've got the contract I believe about to expire. By the time you're going to know if he can ever play agian at a high level, the contract will exhaust.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/default.aspx
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?lname=R&player=3518

This is the third year on a five year contract..correct A.J. ?

At least one year in rehab if you're a glass half full guy (year four). So basically they are going to have to make a decision on him this year. He carries a 2.8 million cap hit. You see where I'm going with this ? Wait for what ? How can they wait ?

Marcus
11-08-2007, 07:16 AM
You would think the rehab time of a torn ACL would be be effected by the rehab of a ruptured hamstring. Wouldn't the two conflict?

And where the hell is CloakNNNdagger anyway? Is he on vacation in Tibet, or something?

TheRealJoker
11-08-2007, 07:47 AM
I think that they'll put Dunta on PUP next season and if they have to they'll place him on IR. The season after will be where we really tell if he's still got it. They'll give him every chance to come back and quite frankly, they should give him that chance because he's one of the few players on our team that has earned it.

TexanSam
11-08-2007, 08:30 AM
I haven't heard the Texans say how long they think the recovery time will last.

Mr teX
11-08-2007, 08:50 AM
The trouble with this is....you've got the contract I believe about to expire. By the time you're going to know if he can ever play agian at a high level, the contract will exhaust.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/default.aspx
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?lname=R&player=3518

This is the third year on a five year contract..correct A.J. ?

At least one year in rehab if you're a glass half full guy (year four). So basically they are going to have to make a decision on him this year. He carries a 2.8 million cap hit. You see where I'm going with this ? Wait for what ? How can they wait ?

Emphasis on "texans track record..." part of my previous post.

but quite frankly as someone stated before me, he's one of the few guys on our team who's earned "the wait" b/c we know he can play when he's 100%. The problem is how far will he be from his 100% play when he comes off this injury; 80%, 90% or a shell of his former self.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
11-08-2007, 09:33 AM
Coach Kubes said Monday on sports radio 610 that he was told that the recovery time was 6 to 8 months. 6 months best case and 8 months worst case.




So I guess that means we won't be seeing Dunta for another 2-3 years. :gun:

Errant Hothy
11-08-2007, 09:36 AM
The surgery is set for today, after that we should have a much better idea of what all needed to be fixed.

Simmer down, y'all, Simmer down.

gtexan02
11-08-2007, 09:37 AM
He'll probably need to change his name before he canplay again

beerlover
11-08-2007, 09:45 AM
Coach Kubes said Monday on sports radio 610 that he was told that the recovery time was 6 to 8 months. 6 months best case and 8 months worst case.

worst case means 08 OTA's & Fall camp, heck I'd take that right now where do we sign the letter of confirmation. translated hopefully back to form by mid season or one year from when he sustained the injury :texflag:

Texanmike02
11-08-2007, 12:34 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/sports/5280150.html



I'm actually really glad that Dunta is going to go and see Dr. Andrews; as he has a well deserved rep of being the doctor to get athletes back on the field as close to their original performance as medically possible.

Ahman Green is going to Birmingham as well, so take that for what it is worth.


So Green is going there as well? Though I don't know what we're expecting. Isn't Green's origional performance... injured to begin with?
Mike

painekiller
11-09-2007, 01:20 AM
I think Dunta is a FA after next season, his agent needs him back on the field playing close to his current level so going to the best for a second opionion is smart. Don't read anything more into that.

infantrycak
11-09-2007, 09:11 AM
I think Dunta is a FA after next season, his agent needs him back on the field playing close to his current level so going to the best for a second opionion is smart. Don't read anything more into that.

Spot on--Dunta just watched AJ get an extension and knows he is now going to miss the big payday he was going to get in February or March and have to come back and prove he can be the same player next year.

Errant Hothy
11-09-2007, 09:23 AM
Have we gotten a post surgery press release yet?

Mr teX
11-09-2007, 09:36 AM
Spot on--Dunta just watched AJ get an extension and knows he is now going to miss the big payday he was going to get in February or March and have to come back and prove he can be the same player next year.

You & i both know that while you can come back from tearing your ACL in 6-8 months, you're still a little gimpy for just about the entire 1st season you come back after the surgery. This is just the ACL & not even taking into account how the hammy tear could affect him.

I think if he tries to come back & "prove" he can be the same player & he doesn't do well, or isn't 90% or better, he's going to weaken his case more than strengthen it. I think it'd be smart of him to leave the last impressions the league has of him in their brains pre-injury, take the best offer of guaranteed money available (which in all likelyhood would probably be the texans) & then set up an incentive-laiden contract, making it still possible to get all of what was coming to you pre injury, if you perform well.

TEXANRED
11-09-2007, 08:51 PM
I say pay the man.

We paid Carr 8 million on a hope and a dream.

Errant Hothy
11-12-2007, 01:40 PM
Am I the only one who finds it odd that we have heard very little from the Texans, if anything, about Dunta's operation?

I'm really starting to get really skittish that they are hiding something from us again.

infantrycak
11-12-2007, 01:48 PM
Am I the only one who finds it odd that we have heard very little from the Texans, if anything, about Dunta's operation?

I'm really starting to get really skittish that they are hiding something from us again.

What are they supposed to say other than it happened?

Errant Hothy
11-12-2007, 01:53 PM
What are they supposed to say other than it happened?

I was thinking that atleast an offical presser to say how the surgery went, the true extent of the injury, rehab plans...the basic stuff that happens after a surgery on a star palyer.

TexansSeminole
11-12-2007, 02:00 PM
I agree with Hoth. I know it hasn't been very long, but this guy has FANS. People who care about his health, the Texans should make it a priority to inform the fans of the specifics.

painekiller
11-12-2007, 05:50 PM
Might have to do with the bye week, seems the only news the official site has is about the cheerleaders, maybe everyone has some time off, and we will get an update soon.

threetoedpete
11-13-2007, 01:28 AM
I say pay the man.

We paid Carr 8 million on a hope and a dream.

Look I have no problem with taking the gamble. If we're talking about redoing his deal and moving the cap number back into '10 or 11, you got my vote. But with his high number...they got to do something this off season. I also have no problem with them cutting the cord taking the cap hit now while they can afford it and going after Aasnte Samuels.

And untill I hear other wise, no news means this is Bosselli II untill I see him on the field and hitting it full bore.

Malloy
11-13-2007, 02:40 AM
I was thinking that atleast an offical presser to say how the surgery went, the true extent of the injury, rehab plans...the basic stuff that happens after a surgery on a star palyer.

Isn't that doctor/patient confidential stuff?
I know that is I were a player, I would not want my FO to blurb on about how I'm this and that, and I'm not even sure they're allowed to do this anymore.

Marcus
11-13-2007, 06:40 AM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5296394.html


Cornerback Dunta Robinson's injuries aren't career-threatening, but they were severe enough to put a timetable for his return from nine months to a year.

Robinson underwent surgery to repair a torn anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee and to attach a torn hamstring in his right leg. Dr. James Andrews performed the surgery in Birmingham, Ala. Robinson won't be able to return to Houston for 10 to 12 days after the surgery.

"The initial phase of the ACL rehabilitation is conservative," said head athletic trainer Kevin Bastin, who has consulted with Andrews. "The good news is that there was no cartilage damage. It was also very encouraging that he (Andrews) put the hamstring right back where it was torn, which is good."


Well, nine months puts it to next August, meaning he misses training camp, so all things considered, he more than likely will be IR'd for 2008.

sakebomb
11-13-2007, 06:46 AM
See ya in 2009. :gun:

nero THE zero
11-13-2007, 08:24 AM
No mention of what Ahman found out in AL. I'd like to hear about that as well.

Mr teX
11-13-2007, 08:25 AM
What, did you guys expect anything different?

infantrycak
11-13-2007, 08:27 AM
Might have to do with the bye week, seems the only news the official site has is about the cheerleaders, maybe everyone has some time off, and we will get an update soon.

Here you go:

(on CB Dunta Robinson) “The surgery went well. He’s in Alabama. He will not be allowed to come back here for probably for 10-12 days. So the surgery was, when, Thursday I think, so he’s going to be there for a while. But he is doing fine and everything went fine.”

(on if he has a long-term prognosis for CB Dunta Robinson) “No, I really don’t. I just know that he’s in for, this is a long-haul deal. I mean, this is going to take some time. It’s an ACL-plus and ACL’s an automatic six months, so this is going to be a major injury for him to overcome but he’s a hard worker and they felt good about the repair and so we’ll get him started rehabbing as quick as possible.”

Link (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=3890)

Wolf
11-13-2007, 08:28 AM
What, did you guys expect anything different?

you never know with the Texans and their track record on reporting of injuries

Hardcore Texan
11-13-2007, 08:35 AM
As long has he makes a full recovery, that's all we can hope for at this point. If he does he will still have a long career ahead of him. Time to buy a hypoberic chamber.


:texflag:

powerfuldragon
11-13-2007, 08:36 AM
#&@$.

jlam
11-13-2007, 08:58 AM
I think Dunta has everyone's (and not just Texans fans) best wishes and I'm hopefull we'll get to see the guy make a full recovery.

It's going to be tough on him, but if it's any consolation, Dr. Andrews is the doctor that repaired and helped rehab Drew Brees's torn labrum (on his throwing shoulder no less) in the 2006 offseason. No one thought he would be ready to go for the season and he made it back for TC, so hopefully if Dunta stays committed to his rehab - and I'm sure he will - he can make it back sooner that expected as well.

Best of luck to him.

Texans Pride
11-13-2007, 09:52 AM
No mention of what Ahman found out in AL. I'd like to hear about that as well.

During their week off, the Texans sent Green to Birmingham, Ala., to be examined by Dr. James Andrews.

"The good news is that they didn't find anything else," head athletic trainer Kevin Bastin said. "He's got some tendinitis in his knee, and he took a blow to it. We're hopeful that he's turned the corner."

Green has missed three games. He hasn't finished the others after being injured in the opener against Kansas City. He returned against Oakland and caught a 53-yard screen pass and scored on a 7-yard touchdown before he was forced to leave midway through the second quarter.

"We're going to continue monitoring what he can tolerate and how he reacts from day to day," coach Gary Kubiak said. "We'll keep the same plan, which is for him to work a little on Thursday, a little on Friday and be ready to go on game day.

"If something alters that and he doesn't think he can go, then we'll have to make adjustments, but that's the way we're going to treat it the rest of the year."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5296412.html

Errant Hothy
11-13-2007, 09:56 AM
"The initial phase of the ACL rehabilitation is conservative," said head athletic trainer Kevin Bastin, who has consulted with Andrews. "The good news is that there was no cartilage damage. It was also very encouraging that he (Andrews) put the hamstring right back where it was torn, which is good."

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=3890

That's the best news to come out of this.

HoustonFrog
11-30-2007, 05:34 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=3890

That's the best news to come out of this.

Just was listening to McClain talk about this on 610. I guess my head has been elsewhere but he mentioned starting him on PUP in 2008 and then having a fully mentally and physically healthy Dunta in 2009. I really didn't know the extent of recovery.Lets hope he is a recovery stud.

Runner
11-30-2007, 05:38 PM
Just was listening to McClain talk about this on 610. I guess my head has been elsewhere but he mentione starting him on PUP in 2008 and then having a fully mentally and physically healthy Dunta in 2009. I really didn't know the extent of recovery.Lets hope he is a recovery stud.

If that is indeed what happens, that is very bad news. Unlike the Spencer situation, Dunta was already a player that was relied upon. It isn't just the "loss of a possible positive" but a definite subtraction to the team.

TEXANS84
11-30-2007, 05:46 PM
I guess my head has been elsewhere but he mentione starting him on PUP in 2008 and then having a fully mentally and physically healthy Dunta in 2009. I really didn't know the extent of recovery.Lets hope he is a recovery stud.


http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=Nfl&id=2774

CONTRACT INFO: 2007: $510,000, 2008: $545,000, 2009: Free Agent

Ready to play as a free agent.

HoustonFrog
11-30-2007, 05:47 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=Nfl&id=2774



Ready to play as a free agent.

Just reporting from McClain..didn't have the contract info. I'm sure they will try and wrap him up and his recovery will affect free agency for him. I'm assuming the question is will he play after the initial PUP

Runner
11-30-2007, 05:52 PM
Ready to play as a free agent.

Ouch!

aj.
11-30-2007, 06:03 PM
Worst timing ever for a player to have an injury like this. It could cost him millions. He was fixin' to get a major payday extension during the offseason but now I expect it will be late '08 before they do anything on his contract - just to see how he comes out of all this.

run-david-run
12-02-2007, 03:22 PM
Look I have no problem with taking the gamble. If we're talking about redoing his deal and moving the cap number back into '10 or 11, you got my vote. But with his high number...they got to do something this off season. I also have no problem with them cutting the cord taking the cap hit now while they can afford it and going after Aasnte Samuels.

And untill I hear other wise, no news means this is Bosselli II untill I see him on the field and hitting it full bore.

You can't cut a guy while he is injured, so we will see Dunta play for the Texans again, even if its just camp or preseason.

Runner
12-02-2007, 04:08 PM
You can't cut a guy while he is injured, so we will see Dunta play for the Texans again, even if its just camp or preseason.

Sure they can, if they pay an injury settlement. I think Todd Wade's was around $300K. Chicken feed to a team that gives Jordan Black a $1M signing bonus.

I'm not saying they will, just saying it isn't that hard to do.

TEXANRED
12-02-2007, 04:40 PM
I said from the beginning that DRob will take the Spencer route next year and I still stand by that. The only real question is what do the Texans do at the CB position next year. Clearly Bennett looks like he can hold his own at that position so who plays his opposite?

Do the Texans draft a CB or do they go after a FA? Then what do they do with DRob?

Of course you can never have to many CB's.

austintexanite
12-02-2007, 05:03 PM
I have no idea what will happen, but it looks like DRob will be out next year. I think we will draft another CB in the later rounds.

TexanSam
01-01-2008, 12:17 PM
On 610 after the game on Sunday, I think it was Matt and Adam that said Dunta isn't expected to be back until November. I can't find a link though that supports that. I don't know if that was just speculation or what. If that's the case, I think we may need another cornerback more than we need a safety

Errant Hothy
01-01-2008, 12:29 PM
I don't know if it is career threatening. If people have started to make full recoveries from torn achieles injuries I'm going to hold out some hope.

The Pencil Neck
01-01-2008, 12:57 PM
On 610 after the game on Sunday, I think it was Matt and Adam that said Dunta isn't expected to be back until November. I can't find a link though that supports that. I don't know if that was just speculation or what. If that's the case, I think we may need another cornerback more than we need a safety

In his presser, Kubiak said mid-season ( http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4112 ). I've heard late season. So, yeah, CB is a big concern.

dtran04
01-01-2008, 02:16 PM
Learning from history, I would expect Dunta back during the 2009-10 season. When has a Texan ever recovered from an injury in time?

JayCee
02-13-2008, 12:22 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5537040.html


Robinson still questionable
Cornerback Dunta Robinson, the Texans' best defensive back, is working like crazy to make a miraculous comeback from surgery to repair a knee ligament and hamstring on the same leg. It still might be November before he can return, and no one knows the level of performance at which he'll return.

The Texans have to find cornerbacks in the draft and free agency. They also need a free safety with range. No area on the team will get the same attention as the secondary.

That's just one of the many reasons Smith and Kubiak will be working overtime on the draft and free agency to help ensure the Texans continue to improve from 6-10 to 8-8 to their first winning record.

Polo
02-13-2008, 12:26 PM
If that's what you wanna call it...

Hardcore Texan
02-13-2008, 12:31 PM
It just sucks bigtime that Dunta's injury is as bad as it is. He is one my favorite Texans and we lost a player from the thinnest position. I just hoping that he makes it back and is able to play close to the level he was at.

Keep working Dunta! We miss you and we need you! :texflag:

nunusguy
02-13-2008, 12:45 PM
I sent him another card the other day, second one since last falls injury.
I'm sure he must enjoy and appreciate hearing from Texans fans and it can't do anything but help his attitude in his recovery/rehab.

Hardcore Texan
02-13-2008, 12:47 PM
I sent him another card the other day, second one since last falls injury.
I'm sure he must enjoy and appreciate hearing from Texans fans and it can't do anything but help his attitude in his recovery/rehab.

Hey, where did you send it? I wouldn't mind doing something like that.

nunusguy
02-13-2008, 12:55 PM
Hey, where did you send it? I wouldn't mind doing something like that.

The Players name, e.g. Dunta Robinson
The Houston Texans
TWO Reliant Park
Houston, TX 77054
**
Texans-Chick put it on the Board last year and it seems to work as they get
it to the players one way or other.

Texans Horror
02-13-2008, 02:12 PM
One of the things about Dunta that I admire is that there will be no question as to whether or not he is doing everything he needs to do to get back on the field. With at least one or two other Texans' players, I always heard grumblings that though they were working to heal, they weren't doing everything they could to get back on the field. That's not meant to be a dig against those players (Davis, Spencer) - and I'm certainly not a paragon of health myself - but I know Dunta is doing everything imaginable to get back on the field.

HOU-TEX
03-06-2008, 05:17 PM
There's a video and transcript of Dunta giving an update and 2008 expectations at HT.com. I love the way he's attacked his rehab as well as how optimistic he is.

“Sorry to disappoint the people that thought I was going to be for a year, year and a half – that’s not going to happen. Dunta Robinson will play in 2008.”

Heck yeah baby!!:fans:

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4219

Double Barrel
03-06-2008, 05:19 PM
There's a video and transcript of Dunta giving an update and 2008 expectations at HT.com. I love the way he's attacked his rehab as well as how optimistic he is.



Heck yeah baby!!:fans:

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4219

Right on! Gotta' love the guy's fighting spirit. Good luck D.Rob. We all hope to see you laying some wood in 2008! :fans:

TEXANRED
03-06-2008, 05:20 PM
Its his contract year and he has a potential hundred million reasons to play.

Ole Miss Texan
03-06-2008, 05:35 PM
I wonder.. just wonder (because I don't know much about any of this) but let's just say he IS NOT able to play next season and becomes a Free Agent, but at the same time really shows great improvement by then end of the season. Would it be possible for the Texans, if the like what they see, to offer him a 1 year contract (decent contract: not league minimum but less than what he's making now) with like an option of another 2 years at an increased rate if he plays X amount of snaps/games?

I know the Texans can offer him whatever they want but is that something that a Player/Agent might consider when coming off a bad injury in a contract year? I can't see the Texans/McNair leaving a player like Dunta Robinson high and dry. (I don't see them giving him the moon by any means, but he's A face of our franchise. We never really had 1 but a couple.)

What are y'alls assumptions as far as how a contract could be set up that is appealing to both sides, assuming he doesn't play or plays a VERY limited role late in the season?

TEXANS84
03-06-2008, 05:43 PM
If he wants to leave we could slap the franchise tag on him, preventing him from doing so.

Spike
03-06-2008, 06:49 PM
There's a video and transcript of Dunta giving an update and 2008 expectations at HT.com. I love the way he's attacked his rehab as well as how optimistic he is.



Heck yeah baby!!:fans:

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4219

I just watched this and came over to see if anything had been posted. I know that history teaches Texans fans to be anything but optimistic about these things, but Dunta seemed extremely confident. When asked about 2008, he did not hesitate to state that he thought he would play 10-12 games.

We are due for some luck on the injury front, so I am going to hold out hope. Even if he came back in a limited role, it would be a big boost to this squad.

Ole Miss Texan
03-06-2008, 07:06 PM
If he wants to leave we could slap the franchise tag on him, preventing him from doing so.

I'm neglecting to see your sarcasm.

Marcus Trufant was slapped with the Franchise tag this year giving him a 1 year contract of $9,465,000. It's only expected to remain the same or go up next season.

Would you want to give $10 Million to an injured Dunta Robinson?

TEXANRED
03-06-2008, 07:15 PM
I'm neglecting to see your sarcasm.

Marcus Trufant was slapped with the Franchise tag this year giving him a 1 year contract of $9,465,000. It's only expected to remain the same or go up next season.

Would you want to give $10 Million to an injured Dunta Robinson?

Samuel is getting paid 6 year $57 million and Clements got pait 8 year $80 million. DRob is as good or better than those two, so you are looking at paying him $10 million a year whether you franchise tag him or pay him a contract.

ATXtexanfan
03-06-2008, 07:46 PM
he's worth the pay out on a franchise tag, if he shows that he hasn't lost a step then it would be smart to resign him

TexansSeminole
03-06-2008, 07:56 PM
Right on! Gotta' love the guy's fighting spirit. Good luck D.Rob. We all hope to see you laying some wood in 2008! :fans:

Dunta Robinson is my favorite player. It's great to see him back! As far as I am concerned, I hope he is a Texan for his entire career.

I expect us to take a corner early in this upcoming draft, so Dunta is like money in the bank IMO. Like a CD you are waiting to expire. We have a up and coming Fred Bennett to contribute along with Reeves and whatever rookie corner we bring in. If Dunta comes back and plays even 80% of how he was playing last year before the injury, we could have a good(meaning better than half of the teams in the league) 1, 2 CB tandem with him and Bennett.

It's also interesting, and smart for him to be working in the pool already. Swimming is the BEST exercize to do if you want to strengthen your core muscles.

gary
03-06-2008, 08:03 PM
This would sure help the back field alot.

hollywood_texan
03-06-2008, 08:43 PM
Dunta has done more to earn the hearts of Houston Texans fans.

Unfortunately, that does not win championships, much less a winning season.

Making wise moves, exceptionally shrude personnel moves, and managinng the cap effectively requires using your brain with no respect to the heart.

Franchising Dunta could be a added to a long list of bad moves if it doesn't pan out. It could be a lot of risk for a franchise that cannot afford such things...

I hope the best for Dunta and to always be a Texan, but there some thing in life and football that you just can't help if you want to win. It requires hard decisions...

There is no escaping reality, and trying to escape it can just make matters worse.

Hopefully both parties can be realistic and come up with a incentive laden contract that make sense from both sides.

Second Honeymoon
03-06-2008, 09:06 PM
Dunta has done more to earn the hearts of Houston Texans fans.

Unfortunately, that does not win championships, much less a winning season.

Making wise moves, exceptionally shrude personnel moves, and managinng the cap effectively requires using your brain with no respect to the heart.

Franchising Dunta could be a added to a long list of bad moves if it doesn't pan out. It could be a lot of risk for a franchise that cannot afford such things...

I hope the best for Dunta and to always be a Texan, but there some thing in life and football that you just can't help if you want to win. It requires hard decisions...

There is no escaping reality, and trying to escape it can just make matters worse.

Hopefully both parties can be realistic and come up with a incentive laden contract that make sense from both sides.

Franchising Dunta for 09 wouldn't hurt the Texans one bit, though it could make Dunta unhappy. The only way franchising Dunta could hurt the Texans is if franchising Dunta prevented them from franchising another player (which they have yet to do).

infantrycak
03-06-2008, 09:20 PM
Let's be serious here folks. Dunta is good, but he hasn't gone to a pro-bowl and won't next year either. He is not nearly as marketable as Clements or Samuel. Dunta is pushing his recovery to convince the Texans to offer him a mid high contract with incentives, not to go off and sign a gigantic contract elsewhere.

Second Honeymoon
03-06-2008, 09:22 PM
Let's be serious here folks. Dunta is good, but he hasn't gone to a pro-bowl and won't next year either. He is not nearly as marketable as Clements or Samuel. Dunta is pushing his recovery to convince the Texans to offer him a mid high contract with incentives, not to go off and sign a gigantic contract elsewhere.

He was on his way to an appearance in 07 before the injury. just my opinion but he was playing at a high level.

brakos82
03-06-2008, 09:23 PM
Qft.

infantrycak
03-06-2008, 09:33 PM
He was on his way to an appearance in 07 before the injury. just my opinion but he was playing at a high level.

He was playing at a high level, but I think it is long odds he beats out any of Champ Bailey, Asante Samuel or Antonio Cromartie for a spot. Granted that is tough competition. My point really isn't that he isn't very good, just that he will not command their kinds of contracts.

Plus, if the Texans continue to improve next year and get their first winning season of some sort, I think you are going to see some extra player loyalty of the we have bled so now we want the rewards mentality.

Second Honeymoon
03-06-2008, 09:39 PM
He was playing at a high level, but I think it is long odds he beats out any of Champ Bailey, Asante Samuel or Antonio Cromartie for a spot. Granted that is tough competition. My point really isn't that he isn't very good, just that he will not command their kinds of contracts.

Plus, if the Texans continue to improve next year and get their first winning season of some sort, I think you are going to see some extra player loyalty of the we have bled so now we want the rewards mentality.

I agree with the emboldened. I think we started to see some of the benefits of that mindset this offseason with Gibbs, Demps, Rhodes, and Reeves choosing to play for us rather than somewhere else. The money is generally pretty equitable, but its all about the opportunity. If your a prospective RB or CB or FS, you know you have a legit chance to start for the Texans. Some guys just need the opportunity. People are still going to take spots on the elite teams like the Colts, Cowboys, Patriots, etc. before playing for the Texans, but I think we have caught up with the rest of the league and are no longer viewed as a negative place to go. Good city, southern hospitality, no state tax, top facilities, decent nightlife, lots of tittie bars, restaurants galore, and nice housing market. I think things are looking up.

b0ng
03-06-2008, 09:39 PM
He was on his way to an appearance in 07 before the injury. just my opinion but he was playing at a high level.

I wish. You know Bailey would've been in there no matter what kind of season he had, just on name recognition alone. Samuels and Cromartie both would've probably gone over DRob as well unless DRob came up with double digit picks before that Thursday night game vs Denver, because we all know that the voting was well and done by that game (Mario Williams snubbery up in here).

I think right now, Dunta comes back and has just an out of this world year, then he might get an invite, but he's just not one of those guys that the sports media has picked up on being really good. We know he is, but all people will think about is when he got burned by Roydell Williams on a 46 yard pass that set up the game winning field goal vs the Titans.

brakos82
03-06-2008, 09:40 PM
I agree with the emboldened. I think we started to see some of the benefits of that mindset this offseason with Gibbs, Demps, Rhodes, and Reeves choosing to play for us rather than somewhere else. The money is generally pretty equitable, but its all about the opportunity. If your a prospective RB or CB or FS, you know you have a legit chance to start for the Texans. Some guys just need the opportunity. People are still going to take spots on the elite teams like the Colts, Cowboys, Patriots, etc. before playing for the Texans, but I think we have caught up with the rest of the league and are no longer viewed as a negative place to go. Good city, southern hospitality, no state tax, top facilities, decent nightlife, lots of tittie bars, restaurants galore, and nice housing market. I think things are looking up.
Why else do you think I live here? texanpride

The Pencil Neck
03-06-2008, 11:24 PM
Why else do you think I live here? texanpride

I thought the terms of your probation had something to do with it.





:jk:

cuppacoffee
03-07-2008, 12:37 AM
Why don't we all just chill out and wait until we hear the information from the doctors? We're all just speculating at this point, anyway. So far, we've prayed for his full recovery in '08, converted him to FS, and put him out to pasture forever.

Maybe he will come back in '08. Maybe he'll bulk up and compete with Bradlee Van Pelt in the safety position. Maybe he's done and can become a DB coach. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe.

No one knows all the facts yet so let's all just get a cup of coffee and settle down until we hear from the doctors. Or CND.

Speaking of that, where has CND been? Out of all the speculation regarding this injury, CND's opinion is the one I've been looking to read....


Just leave me out of this, I haven't done any speculating... :jk:


:coffee:

mussop
03-07-2008, 01:22 AM
Dunta deserves what ever we can give him. Give it to him and move on. Its teh right thing to do.

hollywood_texan
03-07-2008, 02:51 AM
Franchising Dunta for 09 wouldn't hurt the Texans one bit, though it could make Dunta unhappy. The only way franchising Dunta could hurt the Texans is if franchising Dunta prevented them from franchising another player (which they have yet to do).

The Franchise tag is not use very often for a lot reasons.

PHAROAH
03-07-2008, 07:32 AM
Man I feel for him I really hope that it's not career ending.

HOU-TEX
03-07-2008, 09:30 AM
Wow, I resurrected this thread with a positive outlook on Dunta's recovery and rehab and within a couple posts it turns South. :dontknowa

Malloy
03-07-2008, 10:00 AM
Wow, I resurrected this thread with a positive outlook on Dunta's recovery and rehab and within a couple posts it turns South. :dontknowa

Who can blame people when the sky is falling :)

Rex King
03-07-2008, 02:15 PM
I think it's just that this team has been burned so many times in the past with contracts that came back to bite us, even with ones that looked good at the time. Dom Davis deserved his extension. You know the rest.

That said, Dunta's injury is different, and I would love for him to come back this season and show his worth. If anyone can, he can.

TexansSeminole
03-07-2008, 02:16 PM
Honestly, I don't think Dunta wants to go anywhere. This team is finally heading uphill, he has been waiting for that for some time now. No reason to leave when the getting is good.

Not only that we have Bennett here who is an old friend/teamate of Dunta.

WaywardTexanFan
03-09-2008, 04:46 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4219

Link to a good story at HoustonTexans.com

gary
03-09-2008, 05:00 PM
That's really great news.

Maddict5
03-10-2008, 09:02 AM
Dunta Robinson-DB- Texans Mar. 9 - 2:08 pm et
Texans CB Dunta Robinson (torn ACL, hamstring) expects to begin the 2008 season on the Physically Unable to Perform list.

"Sorry to disappoint the people that thought I was going to be out for a year, year and a half – that’s not going to happen," he said. If Robinson is placed on PUP, he'll be eligible to return in Week 7. The Texans' secondary will be a nice fantasy matchup with Fred Bennett and Jacques Reeves starting.

:texans:

Hook'er
03-10-2008, 09:36 AM
I can't wait to see Dunta out on the feild agian!

badboy
03-10-2008, 01:04 PM
It is news to read that an injured player wants to be back...better news if medical evidence supported the player's claim.

Marcus
03-11-2008, 08:52 PM
It is news to read that an injured player wants to be back...better news if medical evidence supported the player's claim.

Signed,

Charles Spencer

TCR
03-11-2008, 10:50 PM
Dunta will suprise people this year, the man has a true warriors heart and the resolve to go with it.

Trap_Star
03-11-2008, 11:45 PM
I can't wait to see Dunta out on the feild agian!

same here. D-Rob will come back stronger from this.

mattieuk
03-12-2008, 12:02 PM
Dunta will suprise people this year, the man has a true warriors heart and the resolve to go with it.

He's going to need a warriors ACL to go with that!

Its not the kinda thing you can play with when its not totally right. I'd rather see him miss all of next season, than try and come back too early and face another layoff.

HoustonFrog
04-04-2008, 08:59 AM
I saw him running on the news last night and though it is light running and all I didn't notice any gimp or anything to show that he might still be a little nervous. I'm thinking he is trying to get back by the first month and not midway through the season. I'm sure with a contract on the horizon and all he would like to get there as soon as possible.

http://blogs.chron.com/gamedaytexans/2008/04/news_and_notes_from_thursdays.html

I heard much of what Dunta and Charles were doing was just running. Was there much else to their training/rehab today? How'd they look?

(They were pretty much just doing running. But it's quite a feat Dunta is even out there already.

Sorry, couldn't find video

Polo
04-04-2008, 09:00 AM
The thing that will help Dunta out is that he is under 200 lbs...

HOU-TEX
04-04-2008, 09:09 AM
Here are some quotes from Dunta off HT.com. I don't think you can get a more positive attitude than Dunta has right now.

Normally I end up with man crushes on Dlinemen, but I love this guy. :heart:

(on if he is worried losing a step when he comes back) “No. If I come back, it’s going to be probably a little bit better. I’m not worried about losing a step. I think guys lose steps when they don’t take their injuries serious. If you come out here and attack these things, then you can come back better than you were before, and that’s my plan. I’m not going to hurt my team by coming out there and losing a step – even though I think me being 85 percent, I feel that I’m better than half the corners in this game – but if I come back, it’s going to be 100 percent. And losing a step, that’s all mental. That won’t be a part of my game.”

(on what he would say if he could speak to Texans nation) “Dunta Robinson’ll be OK. That’s the main thing. I will be back. You’ll see me out there in that 23 jersey running around again, and you’ll see the same player I was before this injury.”

Check the rest out. Good stuff.

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4246

HoustonFrog
04-04-2008, 09:29 AM
Here are some quotes from Dunta off HT.com. I don't think you can get a more positive attitude than Dunta has right now.

Normally I end up with man crushes on Dlinemen, but I love this guy. :heart:




Check the rest out. Good stuff.

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4246

Thanks for the info. He is tough and a fav of mine too.

texasguy346
04-04-2008, 11:38 AM
I was encouraged to see him running too. I know he said he wants to make it back by the first month of the season, but I think realistically we should be looking at the middle of the season at best for his return to the field. It is good to see that his rehab is going well, and seems to be a little ahead of schedule.

nunusguy
04-04-2008, 11:49 AM
I think realistically we should be looking at the middle of the season at best for his return to the field.

That's basically what Kubiak said last night on the TV clip from workouts this week. Don't know what to think about that since the HC has kinda been overly optimistic at times in the past ? I dunno, maybe this time he's understating.
But midseason this year would be great ! To me the big question is does he ultimately recover 100% of his quickness, maneuveablity, & top-end speed ?
I think that's asking a lot ?

Dallas_Texan
04-04-2008, 12:20 PM
That's basically what Kubiak said last night on the TV clip from workouts this week. Don't know what to think about that since the HC has kinda been overly optimistic at times in the past ? I dunno, maybe this time he's understating.
But midseason this year would be great ! To me the big question is does he ultimately recover 100% of his quickness, maneuveablity, & top-end speed ?
I think that's asking a lot ?

It may be the middle, b/c even if Dunta feels he's ready, the coaches may not risk it yet.

ccdude730
04-04-2008, 02:59 PM
FYI, there is a video of him running with spencer on the home page of houstontexans.com. its in the kubiak interview

texasguy346
04-04-2008, 03:06 PM
That's basically what Kubiak said last night on the TV clip from workouts this week. Don't know what to think about that since the HC has kinda been overly optimistic at times in the past ? I dunno, maybe this time he's understating.
But midseason this year would be great ! To me the big question is does he ultimately recover 100% of his quickness, maneuveablity, & top-end speed ?
I think that's asking a lot ?

Just going off previous players who've suffered a torn ACL we know that generally they aren't quite themselves till year two. Dunta's injury is obviously much worse than that since his hamstring tore from the bone. I can only imagine that it would complicate matters some. I think Dunta will eventually be able to return to his old self, but I don't think I'll see it next season. It might not be till 2009 that we see Dunta looking like his old self.

Wolf
04-05-2008, 12:01 PM
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/stories/040508dnsponfltexans.31e7d3a.html

HOUSTON – Dunta Robinson probably won't return to the Houston Texans lineup until the middle of this season, but the cornerback is encouraged with the progress he's made in recovering from the serious knee injury he suffered in November.

The beginning of the Texans offseason conditioning program this week gave Robinson a chance to share a field with his teammates for the first time since surgery to repair a torn anterior cruciate ligament and injured hamstring. He wasn't able to join the team for drills though, and was off to the side with a trainer and other injured players continuing his rehabilitation.

"I feel like an outcast, like I'm on the outside looking in," he said Thursday. "I just want to be out here so bad. I want to run around with the guys. Those are the things that push me a little bit harder to get back."

His injury occurred in a game when a 281-pound teammate ran into the much smaller Robinson from behind in an attempt to make the tackle, twisting his right leg awkwardly. Along with the ACL tear, doctors said his hamstring was torn off the bone.

He isn't sure of an exact timetable for his return, but feels like he's ahead of schedule.

"When I was laying on that (training) table a couple of months ago, I never thought I'd be out here running around in April the way I am now," he said. "It feels good but I can't get ahead of myself. There's still a lot of work to be done."

CloakNNNdagger
04-05-2008, 01:08 PM
He isn't sure of an exact timetable for his return, but feels like he's ahead of schedule.

"When I was laying on that (training) table a couple of months ago, I never thought I'd be out here running around in April the way I am now," he said. "It feels good but I can't get ahead of myself. There's still a lot of work to be done."


The ideal recovery will take at least as long as has been previously quoted. He may feel that he is "ahead of schedule." However, running and even cutting does not get you back to safe playing conditioning. With Dunta's combination of injuries, it's the muscle development which must be allowed to returned to full strength...........that's the longest portion of the rehab.........and that is the part that you can't "see." There are no shortcuts unless you want to take the chance of cutting short your career. Hard work AND unhurried time are the best assurance that you return.......and stay.

nunusguy
04-05-2008, 01:37 PM
The ideal recovery will take at least as long as has been previously quoted. He may feel that he is "ahead of schedule." However, running and even cutting does not get you back to safe playing conditioning. With Dunta's combination of injuries, it's the muscle development which must be allowed to returned to full strength...........that's the longest portion of the rehab.........and that is the part that you can't "see." There are no shortcuts unless you want to take the chance of cutting short your career. Hard work AND unhurried time are the best assurance that you return.......and stay.

IYO is it realistic to expect that D-Rob could eventually regain 100% of his quickness/explosiveness & top-end sprinting speed ?

CloakNNNdagger
04-05-2008, 04:03 PM
IYO is it realistic to expect that D-Rob could eventually regain 100% of his quickness/explosiveness & top-end sprinting speed ?

Yes, with great motivation, hard work and some luck sprinkled into it, it's quite possible. But if that's going to happen, it's unlikely to happen this year.

On the more dark side, we should not forget the amazement when Kailee Wong was running "so early" in his rehab after a lesser injury, and the Texans and Kailee were both very verbally excited as to how "far ahead" of expectations Kailee was in his rehab...............until the time came to...................retire.

AnthonyE
04-05-2008, 06:49 PM
On Extra Points just now Dunta said "Anything's Possible" when asked about his return date. And then said he might even back by the first game.

However, Kubiak still remains with the middle of the season mentality.

They showed a clip of him running.

TexansSeminole
04-05-2008, 06:57 PM
In this video, Dunta said everything that you want to hear. He works hard as hell and he knows he shouldn't come back too fast. I don't know if any other player on this team could attack this recovery with the mindset that Dunta has.

Bubbajwp
04-05-2008, 07:06 PM
In this video, Dunta said everything that you want to hear. He works hard as hell and he knows he shouldn't come back too fast. I don't know if any other player on this team could attack this recovery with the mindset that Dunta has.

D Ryans but other than that mmmmm I dont know.

GuerillaBlack
04-05-2008, 08:04 PM
In this video, Dunta said everything that you want to hear. He works hard as hell and he knows he shouldn't come back too fast. I don't know if any other player on this team could attack this recovery with the mindset that Dunta has.
Can't wait to see him back.

TheRealJoker
04-06-2008, 01:06 AM
He's saying all the right things but I still see him starting off the season on PUP.

Joe Texan
04-06-2008, 10:16 AM
The ideal recovery will take at least as long as has been previously quoted. He may feel that he is "ahead of schedule." However, running and even cutting does not get you back to safe playing conditioning. With Dunta's combination of injuries, it's the muscle development which must be allowed to returned to full strength...........that's the longest portion of the rehab.........and that is the part that you can't "see." There are no shortcuts unless you want to take the chance of cutting short your career. Hard work AND unhurried time are the best assurance that you return.......and stay.


I can bank on this assesment

YellerLotYeller
04-06-2008, 11:25 PM
On Sports Sunday he said "at 85% I'm still better than half the corners in the NFL." I love Dunta.

Grid
04-06-2008, 11:28 PM
Considering his age, and the extreme nature of his injury.. I personally hope that he sits out the entire season.

It would suck for him, and the team, and the fans.. but he is a young superstar, and we want him back and in old form, with no lasting side effects, if it is at all possible. That, in my mind, means taking the year off to make doubly sure that he is completely healed, and there is no weakness in the leg, or any chance of him reinjuring the old wound.

The Pencil Neck
04-07-2008, 12:11 AM
Considering his age, and the extreme nature of his injury.. I personally hope that he sits out the entire season.

It would suck for him, and the team, and the fans.. but he is a young superstar, and we want him back and in old form, with no lasting side effects, if it is at all possible. That, in my mind, means taking the year off to make doubly sure that he is completely healed, and there is no weakness in the leg, or any chance of him reinjuring the old wound.

His biggest problem with that is that this is his contract year. Because of this injury, he's not going to get the big payday he had to have been looking forward to. There's probably a little voice in his head telling him that if he can just play half the season at 85-90%, he'll still get that huge payday.

And that could be a huge mistake on his part. He could hurt himself.

threetoedpete
04-07-2008, 06:54 AM
so do you, Mr. GM, redo his deal now ? inquiring mind wish to know ? or franchise him in '09 ?

Kaiser Toro
04-07-2008, 07:05 AM
so do you, Mr. GM, redo his deal now ? inquiring mind wish to know ? or franchise him in '09 ?

I love Dunta, but am not franchising any player coming off of those injuries.

Mr teX
04-07-2008, 08:48 AM
so do you, Mr. GM, redo his deal now ? inquiring mind wish to know ? or franchise him in '09 ?


That's the most fitting thing IMO b/c the guy was one of your better players when he was healthy. Show him the respect for what he's done for you in the past by franchising him. Think about it, it's a 1 year deal that basically says "allright, lets see if you can be the guy that you were before.." If he performs, he gets his longterm big pay day minus a little for the franchise tag money, If it doesn't work out..... hey, at least he got a piece of that big pay day he was going to get, & you can wipe his pay from the books for '10. Everyone's conscience is clean then............ Of course it isn't my money & this is business.

The Pencil Neck
04-07-2008, 12:25 PM
so do you, Mr. GM, redo his deal now ? inquiring mind wish to know ? or franchise him in '09 ?

This is why I'm glad I'm just some know-nothing, no-responsibility-having guy in an anonymous forum. I'd hate to have to make that decision.

If we re-do his deal now, then what if he turns into Domanick Davis? If he can't get back to the field this year (which could happen), then we may not have to franchise him to keep him because no one else may make him that good an offer. If we draft a couple of CB's this year and they turn out, that might allow us to part ways with him unless he wants to play here for a reasonable salary. If the CB's we've picked up don't work out, then we make him a deal or go shopping somewhere else.

If he does come back and he does play up to his old standard (or better), then we can try to re-sign him and if that doesn't work out, then we franchise him if it doesn't look like we have a replacement that can perform up to the same level.

Grid
04-07-2008, 03:36 PM
Personally id sign him for one more year to a contract similar to the one he is on now, with the understanding that he sits out this year, and if he comes out the next year looking like his old self, he gets his payday.

Either that..or i give him his payday with some kind of clause to protect ourselves from a less than full recovery.

i dunno..its a tough situation.

TEXANRED
04-07-2008, 03:52 PM
This is why I'm glad I'm just some know-nothing, no-responsibility-having guy in an anonymous forum. I'd hate to have to make that decision.

If we re-do his deal now, then what if he turns into Domanick Davis? If he can't get back to the field this year (which could happen), then we may not have to franchise him to keep him because no one else may make him that good an offer. If we draft a couple of CB's this year and they turn out, that might allow us to part ways with him unless he wants to play here for a reasonable salary. If the CB's we've picked up don't work out, then we make him a deal or go shopping somewhere else.

If he does come back and he does play up to his old standard (or better), then we can try to re-sign him and if that doesn't work out, then we franchise him if it doesn't look like we have a replacement that can perform up to the same level.

I've been saying it for a while, he is better or just as good as Clements and will be looking for the same type of deal, somewhere in the neighborhood of 8-10 million a year. We lose nothing by slapping the tag on him next year to see what he can do except one years worth of salary. If he is just as good, pay the man, if not, we part ways. Next year we will have the cap room to be able to do something like that.

badboy
04-07-2008, 04:01 PM
I've been saying it for a while, he is better or just as good as Clements and will be looking for the same type of deal, somewhere in the neighborhood of 8-10 million a year. We lose nothing by slapping the tag on him next year to see what he can do except one years worth of salary. If he is just as good, pay the man, if not, we part ways. Next year we will have the cap room to be able to do something like that.
You are going to pay him top 5 money coming off an injury? I like Dunta but no way do I franchise him.

infantrycak
04-07-2008, 04:02 PM
I've been saying it for a while, he is better or just as good as Clements and will be looking for the same type of deal, somewhere in the neighborhood of 8-10 million a year.

He isn't going to command top tier money like that without ever having gone to a pro-bowl.

badboy
04-07-2008, 04:07 PM
He isn't going to command top tier money like that without ever having gone to a pro-bowl.
Exactly. DR may have been as important to Texans as Nate was to his team but can't compare the two players.

dalemurphy
04-07-2008, 04:53 PM
You are going to pay him top 5 money coming off an injury? I like Dunta but no way do I franchise him.

Well, it's better than committing to him long term if you're unsure of his health. If we are in good cap shape next year, I think Transition tag (top 8) is rather likely if he hasn't regained his form.

ObsiWan
04-07-2008, 05:47 PM
so do you, Mr. GM, redo his deal now ? inquiring mind wish to know ? or franchise him in '09 ?

Dunta and I would need to talk. This is the last year of his contract, right? I would work with him on an extension (one maybe two years), with a respectful increase. That gives me next year (and the year after if I can get two yrs out of him) to see if he's back to stud CB level. Then we talk about redoing the big "franchise-level" deal when the extension expires.

TEXANRED
04-07-2008, 05:58 PM
He isn't going to command top tier money like that without ever having gone to a pro-bowl.

Technicality. If he would not have gotten hurt last year he was on his way and any good agent would immediately point that out. Not to mention he should have went his rookie season. As an agent I would also be quick to point out that playing on a defense that is consistently in the bottom 5 would be hurting my client and why would he want to stay here? And he has played his entire career as a Texan with no help on the other side except his rookie season.

Then you could roll out the stat wagon and compare DRobs to Clements and Samuel. Very comparable except for INT's but DRob specialty is knocking people out.

Lets also not forget his mentoring skills. Did you happen to catch that Bennett lays it out there like DRob? Who do you think taught him to do that? DRob is the attitude to this D and as a fan base we have kind of taken him for granted.

Exactly. DR may have been as important to Texans as Nate was to his team but can't compare the two players.

Sure you can.
This is clements stats for his 06 season that landed the big contract.
I am also going to throw in DRobs 06 stats.

Clements: 70 tackles, 54 solo, 16 PD, 3 int, 1 TD
DRob: 82 tackles, 69 solo, 10 PD, 2INT, 1 TD

I will even throw in Samuel 06 numbers

Samuel: 64 tackles, 59 solo, 14 PD, 10 INt,
His last year in NE he dropped in both tackle and INT's.

I know stats are not everything but that is how players get paid. DRob is a top 5 CB. Unless someone can prove me wrong. If you can please name 5 better CB's than DRob and say why and back it up.

DRob is suffering the same illness AJ is, he has played on a crap team his whole career with limited media exposure.

Lucky
04-07-2008, 06:03 PM
Technicality. If he would not have gotten hurt last year he was on his way and any good agent would immediately point that out.
I agree with a lot of what you've said. I do think Dunta was on his way to a Pro Bowl year. Or at least a Pro Bowl snub. But, he did get hurt. And that's why it would be foolish to re-sign Robinson to a long-term contract until he's proven that he's back to what he was.

GuerillaBlack
04-07-2008, 06:13 PM
This Dunta love has me wanting to go buy his jersey. Don't have it yet.

Dunta is easily a top 5 CB in the league. I'll put him at three. I just sat back and thought about the stud he is and how we are lucky to have him. Hoping he has a full, 100% recovery and can come back at the Texans full strength.

TEXANRED
04-07-2008, 06:35 PM
I agree with a lot of what you've said. I do think Dunta was on his way to a Pro Bowl year. Or at least a Pro Bowl snub. But, he did get hurt. And that's why it would be foolish to re-sign Robinson to a long-term contract until he's proven that he's back to what he was.

Your absolutely right. I wouldn't give him a long term deal either at this point, but I would put the franchise tag on him. Its only one year and we would be paying him top 5 CB money anyway if he didn't get hurt.

But a long term deal after an injury? No. I am hoping we learned our lesson with Gary Walker.

Kaiser Toro
04-08-2008, 12:00 AM
Why in the world would Dunta renegotiate his current terms to re-sign for two years? The expectation on the next contract is to command the bonus up front. If he does come back, and is close to form, then he is in better shape when is contract ends next year than re-signing with a peanut bonus and then risk injury the following year.

There is always a possibility of fuzzy math being used, but I just do not see Dunta re-signing being good for him this year.

badboy
04-08-2008, 09:41 AM
Why in the world would Dunta renegotiate his current terms to re-sign for two years? The expectation on the next contract is to command the bonus up front. If he does come back, and is close to form, then he is in better shape when is contract ends next year than re-signing with a peanut bonus and then risk injury the following year.

There is always a possibility of fuzzy math being used, but I just do not see Dunta re-signing being good for him this year.Agreed. Both sides should wait to see how he heals and how he does on field last part of the year. With Bennett, Reeves and a solid CB draft pick, the burden is on Dunte to show what he can do. I would expect Smith and Kubes to tell him repeatedly during the next season he is expected to end his career here & will be taken care of as others have been. I would not compare Clemmons and DR careers. DR started off well. So did Spencer, Ahman Green and Matt Schaub. There is plenty of time to deal with DR. Don't panic. If we are going to make up scenarios like DR going to probowl, I could say Bennett will be even better and Reeves will excell in our system.