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Spike
11-05-2007, 09:00 AM
...what are our chances the rest of the season?

From everything I have read, I think we come back with our offense more healthy than we have seen it since week 2 - Schaub, Andre Johnson, and Green should be back. I think we found some additional potentional weapons while these guys have been out, so assuming the line can hold up, I feel pretty good about the offense going into this second half of the season.

The problem is, I don't know if it will matter with out Dunta on the field. The defense as a whole and the secondary in particular have not played well. I am excited about the potential of Bennett, but he will have growing pains. Faggins has been exposed and teams will continue to target him when he is on the field.

We have two weeks to prepare for the next game, so I am wondering what we can do from a player or scheme stand-point.

mridge01
11-05-2007, 09:02 AM
I think this injury is going to set the franchise back more than we know. I have doubts that we can be ready for the beginning of next season, and know with an already depleted secondary that gives you yet another hole to fill. Also, if/when he is ready to come back, will he be the same? How does an NFL cover corner recover from that kind of injury? This one really hurts. This franchise just has all the bad breaks, literally and figuratively.

Twitch-Houston
11-05-2007, 09:08 AM
I think Hutchins plays some CB and Demps gets some time at safety.

jaayteetx
11-05-2007, 09:19 AM
Did everybody see what Drew Brees and the Saints did the the Jags D? And we have to face them without the heart of our Defense, could be brutal.

Ole Miss Texan
11-05-2007, 09:23 AM
Drew Brees threw for around 450 yards against Mathis, Nelson, etc.

Our secondary was suspect before. Now we lost arguably our Most Valuable Player. Some would argue its Demeco which is fair...but If you take away Dunta- Brees is going to not only target Faggins but he'll target Bennett...then he'll eat up our safeties.

We have 0 players in our secondary right now that would start for playoff contending teams. And we're facing one of the more prolific offenses in the nfl.

houstonhurricane
11-05-2007, 09:26 AM
My predictions:

Saints - L
Browns - L
Titans - W
Bucs - L
Broncos - W
Colts - L
Jags - W

We end up at 7 -9. Not bad, considering all that we have been through.

PapaL
11-05-2007, 09:38 AM
Well it falls on the Offense to protect our suspect defense. We need to control the clock and keep moving the chains.

The D needs to step up and get pressure. Same issues we have always had. Hopefully one of our young guys steps up shows something.

Texan_Bill
11-05-2007, 09:42 AM
Re: Without Dunta...


Without Dunta........................ we're one and done in the wildcard game this year.. ???

TigerV1
11-05-2007, 09:46 AM
While losing Dunta hurts, I am excited to see that we have an up-and-comer in Bennett. There is a bit of silver lining here folks. I don't think its as bad as we all think. It is bad, don't get me wrong, but we at least have someone who has a chance to shine and has a huge upside.

Marcus
11-05-2007, 09:47 AM
In the New Orleans game . .

We're going to get blown out. Brees will light us up, and Reggie Bush will pour salt on the wound.

Happy?

TexansSeminole
11-05-2007, 09:48 AM
While losing Dunta hurts, I am excited to see that we have an up-and-comer in Bennett. There is a bit of silver lining here folks. I don't think its as bad as we all think. It is bad, don't get me wrong, but we at least have someone who has a chance to shine and has a huge upside.

Maybe that would be ok if we had to field only one CB at a time. But when you have to play 2, 3, or 4 CBs on the field at the same time it hurts bad.

TigerV1
11-05-2007, 09:51 AM
Maybe that would be ok if we had to field only one CB at a time. But when you have to play 2, 3, or 4 CBs on the field at the same time it hurts bad.

I understand, but with Robinson at #1 and Faggins at #2 we still only had one CB out there and now we have Bennett rising to take Dunta's spot. Yes, it sucks, but I don't see much of a change other than we lose an incredible veteran presence.

Bennett is no Robinson yet, but he is coming into his own. We will continue to have problems in the secondary, don't get me wrong, but I am just not ready to throw in the towel.

PapaL
11-05-2007, 09:55 AM
I know - we could play zone.

Oh wait... we suck worse while in zone coverage?

TexansSeminole
11-05-2007, 10:02 AM
I understand, but with Robinson at #1 and Faggins at #2 we still only had one CB out there and now we have Bennett rising to take Dunta's spot. Yes, it sucks, but I don't see much of a change other than we lose an incredible veteran presence.

Bennett is no Robinson yet, but he is coming into his own. We will continue to have problems in the secondary, don't get me wrong, but I am just not ready to throw in the towel.

Oh, I am never ready to throw in the towel. Unfortunately, CB was one of our weakest positions coming into the season and now without Dunta we are really in trouble. We were pretty bad in the secondary overall before. Now it's going to be tough. Faggins is our most experienced CB :gun:.

Specnatz
11-05-2007, 10:05 AM
In the New Orleans game . .

We're going to get blown out. Brees will light us up, and Reggie Bush will pour salt on the wound.

Happy?

What wound? I have no wounds, well ok just the one from when I fell from the chandelier, but I am sure you were not referring to that.

NitroGSXR
11-05-2007, 10:13 AM
Let's just wait. Kubiak said that something would be happening via the trade/FA market. We'll be getting a cornerback very soon. I just hope that it's sooner than later so he has time to plan for the New Orleans game.

Htownsportsfan
11-05-2007, 10:15 AM
It sure would be nice to have some high draft picks playing on the D-line to create pressure on the QB to help make up for the loss in the secondary! Oh yeah thats right we have three #1's and a well paid FA in Weaver. If they dont step it up against Brees this could make the humiliation of the SD game look like a warm up!

PapaL
11-05-2007, 10:16 AM
Considering the trade deadline has passed - Are we signing Deon Sanders?

Texan_Bill
11-05-2007, 10:17 AM
Considering the trade deadline has passed - Are we signing Deon Sanders?

Neon wasn't available, however, Lester Hayes and Daryl Green are available... :specnatz:

The1ApplePie
11-05-2007, 10:36 AM
What wound? I have no wounds, well ok just the one from when I fell from the chandelier, but I am sure you were not referring to that.

If Reggie Bush is a bust, and Mario can't carry Reggie's jock, what does that make Mario?

Texan_Bill
11-05-2007, 11:17 AM
If Reggie Bush is a bust, and Mario can't carry Reggie's jock, what does that make Mario?

Reggie can't hold ANYONE's jock... Not even Ryan Leaf's.....



Ron Dayne thinks Reggie Bush sucks!!!

Specnatz
11-05-2007, 11:19 AM
If Reggie Bush is a bust, and Mario can't carry Reggie's jock, what does that make Mario?

You seriously need to get over the draft and the Texans not drafting your girlfriend.

You are blinded by your hatred.

Texans_Chick
11-05-2007, 11:25 AM
...what are our chances the rest of the season?

From everything I have read, I think we come back with our offense more healthy than we have seen it since week 2 - Schaub, Andre Johnson, and Green should be back. I think we found some additional potentional weapons while these guys have been out, so assuming the line can hold up, I feel pretty good about the offense going into this second half of the season.

The problem is, I don't know if it will matter with out Dunta on the field. The defense as a whole and the secondary in particular have not played well. I am excited about the potential of Bennett, but he will have growing pains. Faggins has been exposed and teams will continue to target him when he is on the field.

We have two weeks to prepare for the next game, so I am wondering what we can do from a player or scheme stand-point.

You can argue that Dunta Robinson was the most important player for the Texans.

At least on the offensive side of the ball, you can try to scheme around your deficits. They run a system offense, that can take advantage of player's special abilities but is plug and play.

On the defensive side of the ball, I am not very optimistic. There is little in what either DC Richard Smith or secondary coach Jon Hoke have shown as creating schemes that make players better, or provide them the best opportunties to succeed. The secondary was already thin, and this makes them Nicole Ritchey before prego thin.

The best way to scheme for the Texans defense for the rest of the year is to keep the defense off of the field but playing ball hogging offense. Green may be back, but he isn't likely to be right all season. Basically, the hope of the Texans is riding on Ron Freaking Dayne.

GM Rick Smith is going to have to do some genius looking to find somebody to help at corner.

I have never been so bummed after a Texans win.

Honoring Earl 34
11-05-2007, 11:37 AM
You can argue that Dunta Robinson was the most important player for the Texans.

At least on the offensive side of the ball, you can try to scheme around your deficits. They run a system offense, that can take advantage of player's special abilities but is plug and play.

On the defensive side of the ball, I am not very optimistic. There is little in what either DC Richard Smith or secondary coach Jon Hoke have shown as creating schemes that make players better, or provide them the best opportunties to succeed. The secondary was already thin, and this makes them Nicole Ritchey before prego thin.

The best way to scheme for the Texans defense for the rest of the year is to keep the defense off of the field but playing ball hogging offense. Green may be back, but he isn't likely to be right all season. Basically, the hope of the Texans is riding on Ron Freaking Dayne.

GM Rick Smith is going to have to do some genius looking to find somebody to help at corner.

I have never been so bummed after a Texans win.

I'm thinking we should give all the DBs #38 . That would confuse the QB as to pick on .

Spike
11-05-2007, 11:39 AM
I think Hutchins plays some CB and Demps gets some time at safety.

Personally, I think this is the best short-term fix. I had to rely on the game cast to follow the game, but it seemed that even with Bennett on the field, the game plan was still to target Faggins. You have to put your four best players out there and I just hope that this combination is better than the Faggins/ Hutchins combination.

Scheme wise, there has to be something we can do. In my mind, you do everthing to prevent the big play, even if it means that we get picked apart underneath.

Dallas_Texan
11-05-2007, 12:11 PM
Personally, I think this is the best short-term fix. I had to rely on the game cast to follow the game, but it seemed that even with Bennett on the field, the game plan was still to target Faggins. You have to put your four best players out there and I just hope that this combination is better than the Faggins/ Hutchins combination.

Scheme wise, there has to be something we can do. In my mind, you do everthing to prevent the big play, even if it means that we get picked apart underneath.

Definitely. Rely on Demeco and the LB's in the middle. Bennett and Hutchins at CB and Demps/Boulware/Brown at Safety would be nice. I'm sure we'll start the Fag though. He's seriously going to lose two more games by himself though.

Second Honeymoon
11-05-2007, 12:17 PM
God bless Dunta during his surgery and/or rehabilitation. Dunta was arguably our best player and probably most beloved. He will be missed and I thought that Kubiak and the Texans really rallied around Dunta going down and the team started playing with more heart and won one for Dunta.

as for life without Dunta, the team just has to continue to overcome and fight through the injuries. A lot of guys really stepped up and I was glad to see Bennett play through some pain as well. Faggins was toast as always but we have some talented guys that havent been given an opportunity yet. Demps seemed to make the most of his opportunity and could boulware be far behind if Hutchins is moved to #3 CB.

The sad thing is that we knew where we were weak at (FS, C, CB) before this past draft and outside of Bennett we really didn't attempt to address any of those spots and were now paying for it. I am always for drafting the BPA but we really need to get a FS and a Center within the first 4 rounds this year....and now we pretty much ahve to spend our 1st round pick on a cornerback because of the uncertainty of Dunta and the current lack of even one proven defensive back.

badboy
11-05-2007, 12:17 PM
We are well on our successful run for high draft picks. We get Asante Samuel in F/A for $42m for a four year deal, Bennett will start. Dunte may be back. We then draft a LT in a trade down, sign a FS with our new 2nd, draft a CB in 3rd, RB in 4th cause we've done pretty well historically and BPA the rest. McKinney/ White will be our centers and Eche our starting RB supported by Green who will get 90 yards in first quarter and then hobble to the bench to be replaced by our 4th rounder who will become the new DDW! I am so optimistic. Now watch these guys win 4 of the next 7 and ruin my plans. (Sarcasm).

badboy
11-05-2007, 12:19 PM
God bless Dunta during his surgery and/or rehabilitation. Dunta was arguably our best player and probably most beloved. He will be missed and I thought that Kubiak and the Texans really rallied around Dunta going down and the team started playing with more heart and won one for Dunta.

as for life without Dunta, the team just has to continue to overcome and fight through the injuries. A lot of guys really stepped up and I was glad to see Bennett play through some pain as well. Faggins was toast as always but we have some talented guys that havent been given an opportunity yet. Demps seemed to make the most of his opportunity and could boulware be far behind if Hutchins is moved to #3 CB.

The sad thing is that we knew where we were weak at (FS, C, CB) before this past draft and outside of Bennett we really didn't attempt to address any of those spots and were now paying for it. I am always for drafting the BPA but we really need to get a FS and a Center within the first 4 rounds this year....and now we pretty much ahve to spend our 1st round pick on a cornerback because of the uncertainty of Dunta and the current lack of even one proven defensive back.

I did not get to watch game. How did White and Diles look?

markn
11-05-2007, 02:05 PM
The problem is, I don't know if it will matter with out Dunta on the field. The defense as a whole and the secondary in particular have not played well. I am excited about the potential of Bennett, but he will have growing pains. Faggins has been exposed and teams will continue to target him when he is on the field.

We have two weeks to prepare for the next game, so I am wondering what we can do from a player or scheme stand-point.

With AJ back we look pretty deep at WR, so I wonder if any of out WRs have played at the CB spot before?

The1ApplePie
11-05-2007, 03:50 PM
You seriously need to get over the draft and the Texans not drafting your girlfriend.

You are blinded by your hatred.

Vs your boyfriend that posted an amazing 1 tackle against the worst O-Line in the NFL?

Andrew6
11-05-2007, 03:53 PM
With AJ back we look pretty deep at WR, so I wonder if any of out WRs have played at the CB spot before?

that honestly doesn't sound like a bad idea at all. . . Wonder if any of our WR have played CB before?

badboy
11-05-2007, 03:54 PM
610 says surgery tomorrow and extent not known until then. ALso Kubes said his loyalty was to Texans and Mr. McNair in regards to A&M. This was reported by Dave Harbison.

ubecool454
11-05-2007, 03:55 PM
Did everybody see what Drew Brees and the Saints did the the Jags D? And we have to face them without the heart of our Defense, could be brutal.

I will be tough without Dunta but I liked Fred out there yesterday. The way I see it is the other buys will just need to step up. With all the injuries coming back on offense..we just have to outscore everyone...:fans:

badboy
11-05-2007, 04:10 PM
I will be tough without Dunta but I liked Fred out there yesterday. The way I see it is the other buys will just need to step up. With all the injuries coming back on offense..we just have to outscore everyone...:fans:
This may not be too far off. In two weeks, Schaub, AJ, Dayne and Green should all be better. I will also incude Jacoby in that. We might just light up the score board.

ubecool454
11-05-2007, 04:12 PM
In the New Orleans game . .

We're going to get blown out. Brees will light us up, and Reggie Bush will pour salt on the wound.

Happy?

OK, our secondary without dunta might still be better than the Saints secondary. With Andre , Schaub, etc back on offense, I think this game is highscoring and who ever has the ball last probably wins.

ubecool454
11-05-2007, 04:15 PM
With AJ back we look pretty deep at WR, so I wonder if any of out WRs have played at the CB spot before?

Have no fear, I talked to Kubiak and I'm coming out of retirement to play CB for my Texans. U thought Faggins is looking bad?:cool:

ubecool454
11-05-2007, 04:37 PM
With AJ back we look pretty deep at WR, so I wonder if any of out WRs have played at the CB spot before?

Have no fear, I talked to Kubiak and I'm coming out of retirement to play CB for my Texans. U thought Faggins is looking bad?:cool:

Double Barrel
11-05-2007, 04:38 PM
This may not be too far off. In two weeks, Schaub, AJ, Dayne and Green should all be better. I will also incude Jacoby in that. We might just light up the score board.

If we can control the clock, avoid stupid mistakes (turnovers/penalties), and score some TDs in the red zone, we can take the pressure off of our defense.

We only have one team with a losing record left on our schedule, so it's going to be tough going no matter how we look at it. But I think if our guys can focus and keep from beating themselves we stand a chance in 6 of the last 7 games.

nunusguy
11-05-2007, 04:46 PM
This thing with D-Rob already has the deja vu feeling of the injury that Charles Spencer suffered in the sense that recovery/rehab could stretch over multiple seasons. And the scariest thing is, we really don't have any end in sight yet for Spencer, who at one time we hoped could actually help us this year.
I've been critical of the progress Kubiak has made in '07, or the lack of
progress, in spite of injuries that all teams incur. But after QB, your OLT and shutdown CB are arguably the 2 most key positions on the team. Really crappy luck for the Texans to have these sort of injuries happen with these these 2 young, very valuable players at such important positions and its got to be factored in to discount any expectations one could have for the Texans
2007 season.

imatexan
11-05-2007, 05:02 PM
We are well on our successful run for high draft picks. We get Asante Samuel in F/A for $42m for a four year deal, Bennett will start. Dunte may be back. We then draft a LT in a trade down, sign a FS with our new 2nd, draft a CB in 3rd, RB in 4th cause we've done pretty well historically and BPA the rest. McKinney/ White will be our centers and Eche our starting RB supported by Green who will get 90 yards in first quarter and then hobble to the bench to be replaced by our 4th rounder who will become the new DDW! I am so optimistic. Now watch these guys win 4 of the next 7 and ruin my plans. (Sarcasm).

Sarcasm or not everyone is talking like losing a player(even if he is my favorite player) is going to make us terrible. We are coming off a win and our best player is coming back in AJ!

V3rm0nt3r
11-05-2007, 05:30 PM
I'm not going to lie... this really sucks but remember last year when all seemed lost after September- October because of the defense but then they started to work well together. granted then we were healthy except for the DL but they at least pulled it out.

the only other differece is that this year we have someone who can get the ball out quick enough to not get jacked by a mediocre DE who wouln't get past any other o-line except ours.

Im always the optomist.
its a gift and a curse

Specnatz
11-05-2007, 05:34 PM
Vs your boyfriend that posted an amazing 1 tackle against the worst O-Line in the NFL?

HAHA your funny, but ya know what I have criticized him, and also other D-Lineman unlike others, you included, who only critiques Mario because it is not the guy you wanted drafted. Like I said get over it and stop whinning like a school girl but I doubt you can do that.

I have also criticized the schemes but please do tell how I have a man crush on someone that I find fault in. I mean you are so great at this analysist thing you might be able to analyze with in depth coverage of an 8 year old girls flag football game one day.

Spike
11-05-2007, 05:35 PM
This thing with D-Rob already has the deja vu feeling of the injury that Charles Spencer suffered in the sense that recovery/rehab could stretch over multiple seasons. And the scariest thing is, we really don't have any end in sight yet for Spencer, who at one time we hoped could actually help us this year.
I've been critical of the progress Kubiak has made in '07, or the lack of
progress, in spite of injuries that all teams incur. But after QB, your OLT and shutdown CB are arguably the 2 most key positions on the team. Really crappy luck for the Texans to have these sort of injuries happen with these these 2 young, very valuable players at such important positions and its got to be factored in to discount any expectations one could have for the Texans
2007 season.


I agree with you completely. It is hard to swallow, but I am much more satisfied with a 6-10/ 7-9 finish based on the injuries this year. From a national perspective, it doesn't matter, but I think most Texans fans will realize that bad luck has had a material impact on the progress of this team.

Still, I don't want injuries to let this coaching staff or front office completely off of the hook. This team definitely has problems that are a result from issues other than injuries.

ATXtexanfan
11-05-2007, 06:39 PM
I'm thinking we should give all the DBs #38 . That would confuse the QB as to pick on .

that is genius

Spike
11-05-2007, 06:42 PM
Just a quick update. I listened to the back end of Kubes interview on 610. I feel like every time you listen to one of these interviews, you really have to read between the lines - as an ex player, Kubes seems to go out of his way not to say anything to make any individual player look bad.

With that disclaimer in mind, I got the impression that the staff was happy with the way that Demps played, and as a result, there may be some flexibility with moving Hutchins around. As I recall, Hutchins is a true CB inserted at safety - so maybe this turns out to be a slight upgrade.

The only positive thing that can come from these injuries will be to learn that a handful of the young or journeymen players can come back next season and fight for a starting spot. So far - I think we have found a player in Andre Davis. Fred Bennett is going to have the opportunity to make this list. I would love to see Demps, White, Studdard and Frye to get a look as well. Heck - while I am at it - put Diles at one of the outside LB spots and see what he and Ryans can do on the field at the same time. If 1/3 of these guys work out - it makes things interesting when some of the guys who went down come back next season.

Dread-Head
11-05-2007, 07:04 PM
:crying: To quote Leo Sayer..."I can't LIIIIIIIIIVE...if livin' is without YOU!:crying: I'm sorry....I...I...Ineedtobealone! :backsout:
:shots:

brakos82
11-05-2007, 07:08 PM
that is genius
yep :shades:

Bohunk
11-05-2007, 07:39 PM
Even the best secondary gets beat when the QB has 7-8 seconds to throw. The D line looks like they get winded by the end of the first half and are not the disrupting presence they need to be.

:stooges:

pappy
11-06-2007, 04:57 PM
Even the best secondary gets beat when the QB has 7-8 seconds to throw. The D line looks like they get winded by the end of the first half and are not the disrupting presence they need to be.

:stooges:

Well against new Orleans it will be unusual if we get to brees as he has been untouchable lately . Better to just stack the line and defend against bush with some coverage in the secondary . That and a large prayer layered with alot of offensive output should do it . :cowboy1:

Historyhorn
11-07-2007, 05:01 PM
I'm pretty pessimistic about our chances for the rest of the year with the loss of Dunta. We didn't have a stellar or even sold group in the defensive secondary before he went down. Without him, a mediocre group goes down to putrid pretty quickly.

Couple that with the fact that our bling-bling D-line blows donkeys in the pass rush dept. and I think we might have a problem containing other offenses.

If Dunta is gone for more than just a season (or his production declines because of this injury) we could be feeling the effects of this injury for years to come. I'm depressed at spending a couple more years in the wilderness, but that is what we could be facing.

Our secondary has to have an upgrade in personnel. Our O-line is somewhat improved over their putrid past, but still need some help at T and C. We could use a RB to share the load with Green, because it looks like him being hurt is going to be standard.

Lots of holes and no second rounder last year and no second rounder this year. Dunta going down makes another hole that has to be plugged. We're short "top-flight" NFL talent here and we just lost one who is top-flight.

I was hoping for playoffs in '09 with a near miss in '08. At this point, I'd probably revise that to playoffs in '10 or more realistically '11.

This sucks.

Go Texans