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otisbean
11-05-2007, 07:41 AM
Give an 09 first round pick for D Hall if the Texans are unable to sign a FA CB?

TheIronDuke
11-05-2007, 08:26 AM
I wouldn't because he's a clubhouse cancer and overrated.

rollinstone18
11-05-2007, 08:30 AM
no.

Maddict5
11-05-2007, 08:34 AM
i doubt you get a single yes

houstonhurricane
11-05-2007, 08:36 AM
Absolutely not.

hobie
11-05-2007, 08:37 AM
i doubt you get a single yes

YES...........:sarcasm:

gwallaia
11-05-2007, 08:43 AM
Yes, its about time we got a guy who has low character issues. It can only help this soft team we have now.

joedinkle
11-05-2007, 09:00 AM
Yes, its about time we got a guy who has low character issues. It can only help this soft team we have now.

he's been doing alot of "helping" for the falcons right?

Ole Miss Texan
11-05-2007, 09:25 AM
:crickets:

HOU-TEX
11-05-2007, 09:38 AM
I think I'd rather suck a fart out of a dead chickens ass. :pirate:

PapaL
11-05-2007, 09:40 AM
D. Hall is a good corner. I wouldn't go as far as calling him a cancer. In the right situation any player flourish (Cris Carter, Randy Moss, etc...). If we were a player away from being a good solid team I would do it. We however are not.

jlam
11-05-2007, 09:41 AM
Honestly, having seen my team play the guy twice a year for the last few seasons, I think the guy is ridiculously overrated.

Not even taking into account whether or not you like Hall's personality, he really does give up big play after big play because he likes to gamble for the flashy INT. Sure, once every so often that gamble pays off and he makes a great play on the ball, but the last several games we've played against him, we've beaten him for about 4 touchdowns. And it's not just us.

I don't deny the talet the guy has, and he's a hell of a threat with the ball in his hands, but I just wouldn't want him constantly getting toasted in my defensive backfield because he just wants the pick every here and there to show up in the stat sheet.

otisbean
11-05-2007, 03:00 PM
Well.... Just a thought. I haven't seen him play a ton as I have little to no interest in the Falcons. He is supposed to a be a number one corner, but if he is limited in coverage ability then he wouldn't help. Again just a thought. Depending on D Robs injury our secondary could be in serious trouble... this sucks....Fing injuries!

HJam72
11-07-2007, 09:21 PM
This team just needs to take another high draft pick, use it wisely (and not on the freaking D-line!), and get everybody healthy for next year. Eventually, we might have one year without a waterfall of injuries. I won't even ask what the status is on Spencer right now. I'm just assuming he'll back (at 60%) for next preseason.

stingray
11-07-2007, 09:33 PM
i'd give a third

Napa Auto Parts
11-07-2007, 09:34 PM
No to a 1st rounder but i would not have a problem with a 3 4 5th

TEXANRED
11-07-2007, 09:50 PM
Give an 09 first round pick for D Hall if the Texans are unable to sign a FA CB?

Not a first round, but I would give up a second day pick and hide in the contract that they also get Ron Dayne.

I don't understand some people who are against DHall. I guess if you don't like hard nose CB's that makes plays on the ball, has attitude and the ability to back it up, I can see why you would not to like him. If that is the case the flower shop girl who has a sweet smile will be more than happy to play CB for the Texans.

DHall has not said anything about his coach or his team that is not true. DHall is an unselfish player that wants to win and is a fiery competitor. I would love to have this man on my team, more so than Samuel. DHall has played at an elevated level since coming into the league in 04 where as Samuel just recently got good over the couple of few years.

We better hope the Texans do something B/C I seriously doubt DRob will play next year. DRob does not have just one, but two major tears in his knee. This is another Charles Spencer situation.

So take your pick, Faggins or DHall.

On second thought, with how the Texans draft in the first round, yes I would give up the 09 pick. It would only be worth a 26-27 pick anyway.

b0ng
11-07-2007, 10:18 PM
Not a first round, but I would give up a second day pick and hide in the contract that they also get Ron Dayne.

I don't understand some people who are against DHall. I guess if you don't like hard nose CB's that makes plays on the ball, has attitude and the ability to back it up, I can see why you would not to like him. If that is the case the flower shop girl who has a sweet smile will be more than happy to play CB for the Texans.

Hall is not a "hard nose cb that makes plays on the ball". He is a loudmouth who gets burned fairly often for being a supposed "shutdown corner". He commits ***** penalties for running his mouth and DPI a lot. He does get a pick here and there, but in all honesty, I'd rather the Texans groom somebody from the draft, rather than give up a draft pick that is way too high (because ATL will try to get all they can for him). If we're talking second day pick, I wouldn't mind trying him on for a bit. But definitley not either of our first day picks.

DHall has not said anything about his coach or his team that is not true. DHall is an unselfish player that wants to win and is a fiery competitor. I would love to have this man on my team, more so than Samuel. DHall has played at an elevated level since coming into the league in 04 where as Samuel just recently got good over the couple of few years.

Sorry but Hall is exactly the selfish kind of player that lets a coverage get blown because he wanted to make an attempt at a fancy play. He is an "I" player, because it's always about what he is doing. When he talks to the media, or whatnot. Did you read about Daunta Robinson throwing his teammates or his coaches under the bus in the media when the Texans were the laughing stock of the league? No. And I don't want some jackass in the locker room talking about how bad some players might be, when he himself has been burned quite a bit over the season. Pass.

We better hope the Texans do something B/C I seriously doubt DRob will play next year. DRob does not have just one, but two major tears in his knee. This is another Charles Spencer situation.

So take your pick, Faggins or DHall.

I'll take Asante Samuels/Aquib Talib/Mike Jenkins/Reggie Smith thank you. And really, I'd like to have one of the players that are in the draft over Samuels anyway.

On second thought, with how the Texans draft in the first round, yes I would give up the 09 pick. It would only be worth a 26-27 pick anyway.

Andre Johnson, Daunta Robinson, Amobi Okoye, Mario Williams, and Travis Johnson.

vs

Leon Hall, Jonathan Joseph, David Pollack, Chris Perry, Carson Palmer, Levi Jones.

That's one comparison vs another team and their firsts for the past 6 years. Hmmmmmm :rolleyes:

Just cause you didn't like the Williams pick (which is what I am assuming you don't like) doesn't mean that the Texans can't spot talent in the first round. I don't know if our 2009 pick will be in the high twenties. Lets hope so.

Hagar
11-07-2007, 10:53 PM
I would be willing to give up a number 1 in trade for Hall and a no. 2 pick.

Xetuoh1836
11-08-2007, 12:49 AM
I would be willing to give up a number 1 in trade for Hall and a no. 2 pick.

Heck, I'll do you one better! I'll trade our current no.#3 this year and next!:gun:

Bulluck53
11-08-2007, 01:11 AM
You will probably be able to get Pac for cheaper then that. He may be just as big a liability but his skills are much better then Hall's.

threetoedpete
11-08-2007, 01:15 AM
Give an 09 first round pick for D Hall if the Texans are unable to sign a FA CB?

You never ever spend your future move up ammo for a quick fix. And the reason why is it always leads to a disater. Yes we have a hole a CB. The season is probably down the toliet. What if there is the next Dieon Sander sitting on the board in '09 and you watch the Falcons walk off with him with that pick ? I mean we'd be stuck with a malcontent and they'd have the Dieon Sanders guy. Hasn't Washington been doing this for years ? and when was the last time they went to a conference championhip ? And lastly how many thrity year old all pro CBs do we have out there right now in the league ? Are you going to pay this guy top five money on his new deal ? There is a reason why they fly up the draft board in march. Everybody has to have one. And guys who have the tallent to play there are rare. I don't think with his production and his age he is worth the '09 pick where ever we're picking.

That two we spent for MS is going to really sting this draft.

ChrisG
11-08-2007, 10:52 AM
no way...i would rather have a young talent than a disruptive quick-fix player

Specnatz
11-08-2007, 11:18 AM
You will probably be able to get Pac for cheaper then that. He may be just as big a liability but his skills are much better then Hall's.

But that would mean we would have to deal with Satans dad and ummm hell no. Could just wait for the titans to release him but I would bet they wont.

Bulluck53
11-08-2007, 11:58 AM
No chance he is released.

Porky
11-08-2007, 12:00 PM
I'd give a 3rd but no more.

Hardcore Texan
11-08-2007, 01:12 PM
To answer the original question, no way!

badboy
11-08-2007, 01:22 PM
You never ever spend your future move up ammo for a quick fix. And the reason why is it always leads to a disater. Yes we have a hole a CB. The season is probably down the toliet. What if there is the next Dieon Sander sitting on the board in '09 and you watch the Falcons walk off with him with that pick ? I mean we'd be stuck with a malcontent and they'd have the Dieon Sanders guy. Hasn't Washington been doing this for years ? and when was the last time they went to a conference championhip ? And lastly how many thrity year old all pro CBs do we have out there right now in the league ? Are you going to pay this guy top five money on his new deal ? There is a reason why they fly up the draft board in march. Everybody has to have one. And guys who have the tallent to play there are rare. I don't think with his production and his age he is worth the '09 pick where ever we're picking.

That two we spent for MS is going to really sting this draft.Atlanta has agreed to return our 2nd and we will allow Schaub to play every 4th game for Atlanta and Sage will start every other game for the Falcons. This will give Sage more experience and keep Schaub quick on his feet. Both teams have promised to draft a LT in the first round to protect "our" QBs.

TexansSeminole
11-08-2007, 01:23 PM
No way, if you are willing to use a first rounder on a CB...why not get one of these guys this year? There are some good CBs coming out this year.

adam
11-11-2007, 05:06 PM
I would welcome Hall to our team, it would be good to have a player of his passion and intensity on our team. However, I wouldn't be willing to give up our first round draft pick for him. I heard he was going to be an FA this off-season, is that true?

ObsiWan
11-11-2007, 05:50 PM
Give an 09 first round pick for D Hall if the Texans are unable to sign a FA CB?

Not just no, but HELL no
Fred Bennett is coming along just fine, thank you.

Now if the Jags were to offer up Reggie Nelson.... we'd have to think about that

TexansSeminole
11-11-2007, 05:58 PM
Not just no, but HELL no
Fred Bennett is coming along just fine, thank you.

Now if the Jags were to offer up Reggie Nelson.... we'd have to think about that

No way, I would make that trade either. The only safety I would do that for is Sean Taylor.

brakos82
11-11-2007, 06:13 PM
I wouldn't mind trading our 09 1st rounder for someone else's 08 1st rounder that is later on (say, Dallas/GB/Pitt, etc).
This draft is so deep it's not even funny. :lightning:

brakos82
11-11-2007, 06:14 PM
No way, I would make that trade either. The only safety I would do that for is Sean Taylor.
What about Sanders from Indy? :shades:

TexansSeminole
11-11-2007, 06:16 PM
What about Sanders from Indy? :shades:

SS, not worth it. Sean Taylor hits as hard as Sanders and covers much better.

EDIT: I'd also trade for Polamalu. Seems he can play free and strong.

TEXANRED
11-11-2007, 07:00 PM
Not just no, but HELL no
Fred Bennett is coming along just fine, thank you.

Now if the Jags were to offer up Reggie Nelson.... we'd have to think about that

Fred Bennett is coming around nicely and I agree. However from what I have read we are looking at a nine month rehab on DRob's knee, so that puts his target date of return beginning of August. At that point he has missed all of OTA's, two a day's, and the majority of camp. No way is DRob ready to go at the beginning of next season. I would also prepare yourself to have him taking the Spencer route, starting the year on the PUP list then IR'd.

Then you have to ask yourself two questions.

The first being am I willing to go into next season with my number one and number two CB's young and inexperienced to defend against the NFC North, AFC South, and AFC North.

The second question is DHall or Faggins?

brakos82
11-11-2007, 07:19 PM
The second question is DHall or Faggins?
Have you seen Faggins the last, oh, I don't know... 185 seemingly undefended receivers? :bat:

White Runningback
11-11-2007, 08:05 PM
I'd rather teabag a hill of incensed fireants...

TEXANRED
11-11-2007, 08:16 PM
I'd rather teabag a hill of incensed fireants...

I know a guy who can arrange that for you. Fiftey bucks, PM me.:specnatz:

Maddict5
11-11-2007, 08:20 PM
SS, not worth it. Sean Taylor hits as hard as Sanders and covers much better.

EDIT: I'd also trade for Polamalu. Seems he can play free and strong.

what about reed

TEXANRED
11-11-2007, 08:29 PM
Have you seen Faggins the last, oh, I don't know... 185 seemingly undefended receivers? :bat:

So its DHall then.....

what about reed

Demps and Reed formed a pretty solid safety Duo in Baltimore, of course this doesn't help out our CB situation. Maybe with that much punch in at the safety we could give Faggins a helper.

TexansSeminole
11-11-2007, 08:38 PM
what about reed

He is really too old to be giving up a 1st rounder for.

But he is damn good don't get me wrong.

Bubbajwp
11-11-2007, 09:41 PM
Fred Bennett is coming around nicely and I agree. However from what I have read we are looking at a nine month rehab on DRob's knee, so that puts his target date of return beginning of August. At that point he has missed all of OTA's, two a day's, and the majority of camp. No way is DRob ready to go at the beginning of next season. I would also prepare yourself to have him taking the Spencer route, starting the year on the PUP list then IR'd.

Then you have to ask yourself two questions.

The first being am I willing to go into next season with my number one and number two CB's young and inexperienced to defend against the NFC North, AFC South, and AFC North.

The second question is DHall or Faggins?

The correct question would be DHall or Faggins + first round pick.

Imatexanfan
11-12-2007, 12:37 AM
I would be willing to give up a number 1 in trade for Hall and a no. 2 pick.

WELCOME with open arms D. Hall just think though Hall and DR of course when he's back. I brought this trade or something up when we played them back in the day, don't feel like finding the thread so Hall .....Welcome....what do ya say Smith?!:texflag:

ubecool454
11-12-2007, 11:23 AM
Give an 09 first round pick for D Hall if the Texans are unable to sign a FA CB?

no way..I wouldn't give up anything higher than a 3rd for him....and why not wait until next year until he is unrestricted? I like Fred to much right now to even think about Hall.

TEXANRED
11-12-2007, 12:51 PM
no way..I wouldn't give up anything higher than a 3rd for him....and why not wait until next year until he is unrestricted? I like Fred to much right now to even think about Hall.

B/C more than likely DRob will not be back in time for next year. DHall has already expressed his displeasure in Atlanta and he wants out after this year.

So you look at going into next year with our options at CB being, Faggins, Flether, Wynn, Von Hutchins and a rookie CB.

the wonger need food
11-12-2007, 12:56 PM
B/C more than likely DRob will not be back in time for next year.

More than likely? Where did you get this?

mridge01
11-12-2007, 01:06 PM
Make that one more vote for no and another vote for HELL NO!
I would trade a no. 3 though.

TexansSeminole
11-12-2007, 01:37 PM
B/C more than likely DRob will not be back in time for next year. DHall has already expressed his displeasure in Atlanta and he wants out after this year.

So you look at going into next year with our options at CB being, Faggins, Flether, Wynn, Von Hutchins and a rookie CB.

But why not just draft a corner? D. Hall is good and I respect his game, but what's the point in trading for him if we can get a corner in the draft? Then we can pay him a more reasonable amount, start from scratch with him, and hopefully he can become a franchise type player, much like Dunta.

My guess is that the difference in money between Hall and a 1st round CB would be pretty significant.

TEXANRED
11-12-2007, 01:49 PM
But why not just draft a corner? D. Hall is good and I respect his game, but what's the point in trading for him if we can get a corner in the draft? Then we can pay him a more reasonable amount, start from scratch with him, and hopefully he can become a franchise type player, much like Dunta.

My guess is that the difference in money between Hall and a 1st round CB would be pretty significant.

B/C I don't like the idea of going into next season with Bennett, who will have a half a years worth of playing time and a green CB playing opposite of him.

I believe LT or RB should be our #1 priority. Salaam is not going to last another season, he is already being held together with duct tape and barb wire.

I would rather draft a RB than sign a FA and we only have two first day picks.

Don't get me wrong, I like Samuel but after they go 16-0 he would be a fool to leave the team.

But I also like Hall b/c he gives us something in the kicking game, which we need so he actually fills two positions of need.

ObsiWan
11-12-2007, 04:50 PM
Fred Bennett is coming around nicely and I agree. However from what I have read we are looking at a nine month rehab on DRob's knee, so that puts his target date of return beginning of August. At that point he has missed all of OTA's, two a day's, and the majority of camp. No way is DRob ready to go at the beginning of next season. I would also prepare yourself to have him taking the Spencer route, starting the year on the PUP list then IR'd.

Then you have to ask yourself two questions.

The first being am I willing to go into next season with my number one and number two CB's young and inexperienced to defend against the NFC North, AFC South, and AFC North.

The second question is DHall or Faggins?

To answer your two questions...
1) am I willing to go into next season with my number one and number two CB's young and inexperienced to defend against the NFC North, AFC South, and AFC North
I understand your point but I'd still rather not trade an over-rated, mouthy DeAngelo (sp?) Hall for a first round pick. So if that means we have youngsters on the corners until D-Rob gets back (and I think that'll be next year) then so be it.
According to this website [ http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=DB&y=2008 ], there are a bunch of DBs who's contracts will be up this off-season. Let's see what Rick Smith can do with a little money to work with.

2) The second question is DHall or Faggins?
Neither if we can help it. Faggins may not make the squad unless its as a special teamer and Hall just isn't worth a first round pick. And its really D.Hall + a 1st rd pick (the proposed trade) or Faggins (stand pat).

Let's see what magic Rick Smith can do in the off-season now that he has some decent F/A money to barter with. We can do better than Hall. And Faggins probably doesn't make the team next year unless its as a special teamer.

threetoedpete
11-13-2007, 01:43 AM
Fred Bennett is coming around nicely and I agree. However from what I have read we are looking at a nine month rehab on DRob's knee, so that puts his target date of return beginning of August. At that point he has missed all of OTA's, two a day's, and the majority of camp. No way is DRob ready to go at the beginning of next season. I would also prepare yourself to have him taking the Spencer route, starting the year on the PUP list then IR'd.

Then you have to ask yourself two questions.

The first being am I willing to go into next season with my number one and number two CB's young and inexperienced to defend against the NFC North, AFC South, and AFC North.

The second question is DHall or Faggins?



Or you move down the board at a lesser value and you take another Bennit prospect at the bottom of the first. There will be several there. We'll see next spring. They plug the hole with an econmical FA guy....
I just don't see them spending this kind of money on two #1 CBs at the detriment of the whole roster. I believe it is a luxuary they can not afford. Maybe I'm wrong but no one else is doing it with success.
Faggins just went back to nickle this week.

otisbean
11-13-2007, 11:10 AM
Or you move down the board at a lesser value and you take another Bennit prospect at the bottom of the first. There will be several there. We'll see next spring. They plug the hole with an econmical FA guy....
I just don't see them spending this kind of money on two #1 CBs at the detriment of the whole roster. I believe it is a luxuary they can not afford. Maybe I'm wrong but no one else is doing it with success.
Faggins just went back to nickle this week.

THe one benefit of having two lockdown corners is that you can blitz like a mother and not have to worry as much about coverage. Again I asked the question but it was only out of curiousity. We all know the NFL stands for not for long and if Dunta is out for a while then our shaky secondary becomes a REAL issue. I'd hate to see poor Kubes get in hot water because of injuries.

Giving up the 09 pick is a gamble for sure but I think there are pluses and minuses. The media call Hall a shutdown corner, I haven't seen him play all that much - why would I want to watch the Falcons. Some of the posters that watch the Falcons say he is overrated. I posed the question assuming he is a legit number one CB. IF he isn't then there is no point to even consider it.

threetoedpete
11-14-2007, 12:47 AM
THe one benefit of having two lockdown corners is that you can blitz like a mother and not have to worry as much about coverage. Again I asked the question but it was only out of curiousity. We all know the NFL stands for not for long and if Dunta is out for a while then our shaky secondary becomes a REAL issue. I'd hate to see poor Kubes get in hot water because of injuries.

Giving up the 09 pick is a gamble for sure but I think there are pluses and minuses. The media call Hall a shutdown corner, I haven't seen him play all that much - why would I want to watch the Falcons. Some of the posters that watch the Falcons say he is overrated. I posed the question assuming he is a legit number one CB. IF he isn't then there is no point to even consider it.

Yes and so far it is working out wonderfuly for Denver this season. Why we have to keep shoveling before we figure out that certain things do not work is beyound me. The hole is five years old and getting deeper. Stop sholveling. Come out of cap hell and the very first thing you do is go right back into cap hell, that make no sence to me. But whatever. The loss of the pittbull is very bad no doubt. But the reason we're living with this putird mess is because we reached for palyers, veteran players, who didn't pan out. I'd just as soon a gamble with a rook as to throw #1 money at a loose canan. Just me I guess.