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Hottoddie
11-05-2007, 01:38 AM
Who will we sign? Or, will we make a trade for someone?

http://profootballexperts.scout.com/a.z?s=211&p=2&c=695964 (http://http://profootballexperts.scout.com/a.z?s=211&p=2&c=695964)

Cornerback

Tory James
Tyrone Poole
Dexter McCleon
Keiwan Ratliff
Will Poole
Daylon McCutcheon
Ahmad Carroll
Chris Cash
Rashad Bauman
Reggie Howard
Ray Mickens
Willie Williams
Terry Fair
Ray Walls
Willie Middlebrooks (S)
Dewayne Washington
Jimmy Williams
Robert Tate

threetoedpete
11-05-2007, 02:52 AM
I'd give Carrol a sniff. He played cover corner at Arkansas and the burn marks should of healed over by now. Might have a different reslut with all the pressure off at being a high end pick with the weight of the world off his shoulders. Don't know if he can cover,or if he's even in shape. But he can run. That's basically the only flaw Faggins has. If you could mix up the two you'd have a prety fair CB2. Anyone want to venture a guess at who goes to RC and who's at left CB in two weeks ? That's going to be something interesting to watch in the next couple of weeks. On the one hand you've got a veteran who's not athletic enough to be matched up on the other teams best WR. On the other hand you've got a better athlete , a rookie, asked to relearn his foot work in two weeks. Gonna be fun.

DiehardChris
11-05-2007, 03:22 AM
Pretty slim pickings. Sigh.

By the way, the trading deadline has passed, so we can't work a trade deal.

I'm guessing they're going to move Von Hutchins back to corner, and sign a free agent. Jamar Fletcher's appendix sure picked a bad time to demand removal.

TheRealJoker
11-05-2007, 06:41 AM
I think we'll bring back Mccleon due to familiarity. I dont think that Rick Smith will be looking for a long term answer with this signing, just a bandaid to get us through the rest of this season. Mccleon already knows the scheme so if we sign him now he has the bye week to get back into football shape.

Silver Oak
11-05-2007, 07:25 AM
sorry to be Debbie Downer so early on Monday morning, but that list suddenly brings a 6-10 record into focus a good deal more.

otisbean
11-05-2007, 08:39 AM
Samuels should be on that list, I believe that NE agreed not to franchise him next season. We could target a CB in the draft or obtain one through a trade. I am starting to wonder about playing more of a cover 2 style of D. Cover 2 corners are a little easier to find than good man to man CBs. If we move Weaver inside to our DT rotation and shift MW to LE then add a speed rusher in the Derrick Burgess mold I think we could have the makings of a sold cover 2 unit. Or course we still need to upgrade FS - although I liked what I saw of Demps in the Oak game. he was really laying the wood.

Maddict5
11-05-2007, 09:33 AM
Samuels should be on that list, I believe that NE agreed not to franchise him next season.

the list is FA's right now.. not after the season

beerlover
11-05-2007, 10:21 AM
Rick Smith will do the best he can to address this need for now then after the season target a high profile corner in free agency & probably use his 3rd round pick on one in the draft. this is a terrible time to find a free agent cb, nobody of note available. did a search on other teams practice squads & undrafted free agent corners to me very limited (found Kenny Scott, Georgia Tech & Anthony Arline, Baylor still unsigned) I'm sure Rick has his data base of potential cbs from his draft board last year who may be still available that he will contact to interview/workout.

jaayteetx
11-05-2007, 11:15 AM
Since we are playing the Saints next and if i'm not mistaken I believe we can sign players from other teams practice squad, how about this guy
http://www.neworleanssaints.com/Team/Practice%20Squad/People/Anwar%20Phillips.aspx
just a thought

TEXANRED
11-05-2007, 01:23 PM
sorry to be Debbie Downer so early on Monday morning, but that list suddenly brings a 6-10 record into focus a good deal more.

I am not going to say that just yet, 8-8 is still on the horizon. I do however think that your about to see this offense get really boring. Two TE's, I formation, maximum amount of time spent between each play. Total clock management.

badboy
11-05-2007, 01:30 PM
Pretty slim pickings. Sigh.

By the way, the trading deadline has passed, so we can't work a trade deal.

I'm guessing they're going to move Von Hutchins back to corner, and sign a free agent. Jamar Fletcher's appendix sure picked a bad time to demand removal.
IMO Fletcher got off way too easy. It was just a rupturing appendix. I mean Mathis was expected to "stretch it out" and Fletcher gets surgery. SHeesh! You are a wimp FLetchy.

Dallas_Texan
11-05-2007, 02:17 PM
Rick Smith will do the best he can to address this need for now then after the season target a high profile corner in free agency & probably use his 3rd round pick on one in the draft. this is a terrible time to find a free agent cb, nobody of note available. did a search on other teams practice squads & undrafted free agent corners to me very limited (found Kenny Scott, Georgia Tech & Anthony Arline, Baylor still unsigned) I'm sure Rick has his data base of potential cbs from his draft board last year who may be still available that he will contact to interview/workout.

I agree with the high profile CB in the offseason, but maybe not A Samuel quality. They just need someone that can cover for 1-2 years. As aweful as losing Dunta is, I don't think it's the end of our 2008 by any means. We can draft a big name CB, Bennet can step up. Sign a really good FS (we have plenty of cap room), and then draft an OLB, and we have a Bad@ss defense again. Dunta can heal on his own time, and then we have depth too!

If Studdard and White can step up, and maybe Spencer comes back. We're set. Top it off with a Center in the 3rd round, and our O-line is pretty decent. Big name RB.

Sign:
Big time RB
Med-High Quality CB (Can cover 1-2 years until DROb is 100%)
Best FS Available (If Demps or Hutchins don't step up soon)

Draft
1st:OLB
3rd:C
4th:FS/SS
5th:BPA
6th: BPA

Lucky
11-05-2007, 02:49 PM
Or, will we make a trade for someone?
The trading deadline has passed. Off topic, but I think the NFL should extend the trading deadline to week 10, at least.

badboy
11-05-2007, 03:29 PM
I agree with the high profile CB in the offseason, but maybe not A Samuel quality. They just need someone that can cover for 1-2 years. As aweful as losing Dunta is, I don't think it's the end of our 2008 by any means. We can draft a big name CB, Bennet can step up. Sign a really good FS (we have plenty of cap room), and then draft an OLB, and we have a Bad@ss defense again. Dunta can heal on his own time, and then we have depth too!

If Studdard and White can step up, and maybe Spencer comes back. We're set. Top it off with a Center in the 3rd round, and our O-line is pretty decent. Big name RB.

Sign:
Big time RB
Med-High Quality CB (Can cover 1-2 years until DROb is 100%)
Best FS Available (If Demps or Hutchins don't step up soon)

Draft
1st:OLB
3rd:C
4th:FS/SS
5th:BPA
6th: BPA

Any thoughts to whom you would get in free agency? IMO there is no big time RB or free safety. After Samuels CB the quality drops very significantly. He has said he would have signed earlier this season for $10 million/year but wanted four years. I linked that in another thread. We have $30m this off season so why not get a great player to go with Dunte( if it was not a career ending injury) and Bennett? I have a sad feeling we will not spend all or even much of that $30 m.

There is a whole lot of 'if' in your hope that Spencer will be back and if he is? He looked pretty good based on two games. And that was before he was injured. Asking a guy to come back after all that time is asking a lot. If we pick an OLB, even Connor, where we will probably select in first, I'll be stunned and angry. If you can trade down and get a Ryan Clady (assuming he's out) in first and get a 2nd AND you pick up Samuel and Bennett continues to look good, I might then be ok with Connor in 2nd. I think most fans prefer filling the hole at FS rather than getting a LB.

Specnatz
11-05-2007, 03:38 PM
The trading deadline has passed. Off topic, but I think the NFL should extend the trading deadline to week 10, at least.

I also think there should be an Injury status other than doen for the year.

beerlover
11-05-2007, 03:48 PM
Bly from the broncos would be good, Charles Tillman, da bears, Randall Gay, pats or Quentin Jammer, bolts. just a few top of the head :tinfoil:

drewmar74
11-05-2007, 03:54 PM
I keep seeing this thread getting activity and I keep checking it thinking that maybe Rick Smith has pulled another rabbit out of his a.... er, I mean hat.

But no.

And still no presser on D-Rob so we can hear if it was just the hammy and an ACL or if it was the hammy and the trifecta.

*sigh*

mexican_texan
11-05-2007, 05:01 PM
Bring in Tory James.

Hottoddie
11-05-2007, 08:37 PM
Bring in Tory James.

He's the one I was thinking about as well. He's an old timer, but he might still have something left in the tank. He had 41 tkl's, 10 PD's, & 4 picks last year, which was consistent with the numbers he put up the prior 5 years.

http://www.nfl.com/players/toryjames/profile?id=JAM653473

ATXan
11-05-2007, 09:09 PM
What about for next year we try to get our hands on DeAngelo Hall?

mexican_texan
11-05-2007, 09:22 PM
We're going to have some cap space, but I don't like going after huge profile guys like Hall. We've gone after high-priced players before and its never payed off. You can bet your bottom dollar there's gonna be a few teams bidding for Hall and he's surely going to get a contract bigger than Nate Clements'.

Hottoddie
11-06-2007, 01:06 AM
I'd love to have Asante Samuel, but in all likelyhood, he'll be too expensive.

However, if you're wanting to look into a more affordable future free agent, you might want to keep a player like Domonique Foxworth in mind. With the trade for Dre' Bly, Denver might not be willing to hang on to Foxworth.

Drayton Florence from San Diego is another guy to keep an eye on. With Cromartie stepping up, San Diego might not be willing to pony up too much cash.

Three more CB's to keep an eye on would be:

Chris Carr RFA Oakland Raiders
Randall Gay UFA New England Patriots
Karl Paymah RFA Denver Broncos

By the way, here's an early list of FA Safeties for this upcoming off season:

Mike Doss, UFA, Minnesota Vikings
Jordan Babineaux UFA Seattle Seahawks
William Bartee UFA Kansas City Chiefs
Jay Bellamy UFA New Orleans Saints
Omar Stoutmire UFA Washington Redskins
Derrick Strait UFA Carolina Panthers
Gibril Wilson UFA New York Giants

Dallas_Texan
11-06-2007, 11:15 AM
Any thoughts to whom you would get in free agency? IMO there is no big time RB or free safety. After Samuels CB the quality drops very significantly. He has said he would have signed earlier this season for $10 million/year but wanted four years. I linked that in another thread. We have $30m this off season so why not get a great player to go with Dunte( if it was not a career ending injury) and Bennett? I have a sad feeling we will not spend all or even much of that $30 m.

There is a whole lot of 'if' in your hope that Spencer will be back and if he is? He looked pretty good based on two games. And that was before he was injured. Asking a guy to come back after all that time is asking a lot. If we pick an OLB, even Connor, where we will probably select in first, I'll be stunned and angry. If you can trade down and get a Ryan Clady (assuming he's out) in first and get a 2nd AND you pick up Samuel and Bennett continues to look good, I might then be ok with Connor in 2nd. I think most fans prefer filling the hole at FS rather than getting a LB.

RB: Michael Turner, Tyson Thompson (I think he has TONS of potential, and he's a KR), Justin Fargas (Oakland won't need him with Rhodes and Lamont on the payroll), Julius Jones. Any of them will do good for us until first round of 2009.

DB: Samuels, Mike Doss, Babineaux, and Gibril Wilson will all be good additions to our team.

Most importantly, there will always be surprise cuts in the offseason of great players. You never know what other experienced players will get cut due to teams needing cap room, and having good young players. (See: Jerry Porter)

badboy
11-06-2007, 02:20 PM
RB: Michael Turner, Tyson Thompson (I think he has TONS of potential, and he's a KR), Justin Fargas (Oakland won't need him with Rhodes and Lamont on the payroll), Julius Jones. Any of them will do good for us until first round of 2009.

DB: Samuels, Mike Doss, Babineaux, and Gibril Wilson will all be good additions to our team.

Most importantly, there will always be surprise cuts in the offseason of great players. You never know what other experienced players will get cut due to teams needing cap room, and having good young players. (See: Jerry Porter)Justin Fargas? Your kidding right. He will be in his 6th year and is averaging 10 carries a game?http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/FargJu00.htm

TexansSeminole
11-06-2007, 02:22 PM
Justin Fargas? Your kidding right. He will be in his 6th year and is averaging 10 carries a game?http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/FargJu00.htm

What's wrong with Justin Fargas. When he came out of college I wasn't sure he would be able to run between the tackles. I knew he was fast.

He seems to be doing a pretty good job for the raiders the last 2 seasons. He looks alot better this season than when I watched him as a rookie.

badboy
11-06-2007, 02:30 PM
RB: Michael Turner, Tyson Thompson (I think he has TONS of potential, and he's a KR), Justin Fargas (Oakland won't need him with Rhodes and Lamont on the payroll), Julius Jones. Any of them will do good for us until first round of 2009.

DB: Samuels, Mike Doss, Babineaux, and Gibril Wilson will all be good additions to our team.

Most importantly, there will always be surprise cuts in the offseason of great players. You never know what other experienced players will get cut due to teams needing cap room, and having good young players. (See: Jerry Porter)What surprise cuts did Texans get this past June?

Mike Doss? WHat excites you abouthis stats? http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=bio&player_id=187

Gibril Wilson is playing FS but may move to SS. His stats might move him in a pretty high salary range but I would not be opposed to learning more about him. http://www.nfl.com/players/gibrilwilson/profile?id=WIL709677

TexansSeminole
11-06-2007, 02:31 PM
What surprise cuts did Texans get this past June?

Mike Doss? WHat excites you abouthis stats? http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=bio&player_id=187

Gibril Wilson is playing FS but may move to SS. His stats might move him in a pretty high salary range but I would not be opposed to learning more about him. http://www.nfl.com/players/gibrilwilson/profile?id=WIL709677

I dont understand what's with you and stats. They are of good use sometimes, but you can't base your entire opinion on a player from his stats.

Mike Doss was a damn good college player and has shown that he can play in the NFL. Probably could start for this team.

badboy
11-06-2007, 02:32 PM
What's wrong with Justin Fargas. When he came out of college I wasn't sure he would be able to run between the tackles. I knew he was fast.

He seems to be doing a pretty good job for the raiders the last 2 seasons. He looks alot better this season than when I watched him as a rookie.He is doing great for TEN rushes a game!!! I think we need a guy who can carry the rock 20-25 times. Can Fargas?

TexansSeminole
11-06-2007, 02:34 PM
He is doing great for TEN rushes a game!!! I think we need a guy who can carry the rock 20-25 times. Can Fargas?

We need several running backs. We need a guy who can take the load off our #1 guy. We need a #1 guy. Then we need guys to back up our top 2 running backs. If we aren't going to use Lundy than all we have is Echo, Green, Dayne, and Taylor. I doubt Taylor plays for us considering he isn't on the team now. Dayne could be a #3 RB for us, but I mean I would get rid of him. Green and Echo seem to be the only RBs that are keepers.

I'll take any running back that can get yardage.

badboy
11-06-2007, 02:37 PM
I dont understand what's with you and stats. They are of good use sometimes, but you can't base your entire opinion on a player from his stats.

Mike Doss was a damn good college player and has shown that he can play in the NFL. Probably could start for this team.What is with me and stats, they are a measurement of what a player does and some indication of what he might do. You sound like Kenny Smith griping at Darryl Morey of Rockets. Stats are not everything but a pretty fair indicator. Can he handle more than 10- 11 rushes? Well he has not so far in his NFL career. Not saying he can't but he is not someone I want to give Ahman Green money to. That is $6-7 million GUARANTEED in two years.

badboy
11-06-2007, 02:39 PM
We need several running backs. We need a guy who can take the load off our #1 guy. We need a #1 guy. Then we need guys to back up our top 2 running backs. If we aren't going to use Lundy than all we have is Echo, Green, Dayne, and Taylor. I doubt Taylor plays for us considering he isn't on the team now. Dayne could be a #3 RB for us, but I mean I would get rid of him. Green and Echo seem to be the only RBs that are keepers.

I'll take any running back that can get yardage.Ok, look at your guy last year. He avg just over 3 yards. We do not need that type of back. We have Green because we are stuck with him. If he could stay healthy, well who knows because he can't. Dayne should not be on this team. Eche a one game wonder who is.. guess what injured. We have NO RBs on this team.

TexansSeminole
11-06-2007, 02:43 PM
What is with me and stats, they are a measurement of what a player does and some indication of what he might do. You sound like Kenny Smith griping at Darryl Morey of Rockets. Stats are not everything but a pretty fair indicator. Can he handle more than 10- 11 rushes? Well he has not so far in his NFL career. Not saying he can't but he is not someone I want to give Ahman Green money to. That is $6-7 million GUARANTEED in two years.

I understand they are a good measurement. But you can't say "Alright let's look at the stats. 48 tackles 0 interceptions. OK he is a mediocre player." It doesn't work like that. There is a hell of alot more about this game than stats could show you.

Why would Fargas go for the same money as Ahman Green, a guy who has rushed for over 1,000 yards many time before. Fargas has never rushed for over 1,000 yards. Do you really think they would be going for even around the same price???

Also, what's wrong with picking up a guy who can carry 10 times a game successfully. Why must he prove to be able to carry 20-30 times a game before we sign him?

TexansSeminole
11-06-2007, 02:44 PM
Ok, look at your guy last year. He avg just over 3 yards. We do not need that type of back. We have Green because we are stuck with him. If he could stay healthy, well who knows because he can't. Dayne should not be on this team. Eche a one game wonder who is.. guess what injured. We have NO RBs on this team.

Uhhhhhhh...this is exactly my point when I say that Fargas would be a good guy to get. We need mulitple RBs and if one of the prospects hasn't proven to be able to run for 20-30 carries in one game we shouldn't take them off our list.

Fargas is a fast running back. We don't have one of those. We actually do need "that type of back".

P.S. Never said he was my guy. I feel he is talented. Could do some things for us. I would take a look at him if I were Rick Smith.

Errant Hothy
11-06-2007, 02:51 PM
I wonder if Smith would be willing to sign a CB off another team's practice squad, with the knowledge that the signee has to go to the 53 man roster.

Does anybody of any "potentially" good CBs being stashed on another team's PS?

Dallas_Texan
11-06-2007, 03:00 PM
He is doing great for TEN rushes a game!!! I think we need a guy who can carry the rock 20-25 times. Can Fargas?


Ahman Green
Tyson Thompson
Justin Fargas
Echo

Fargas and Tyson could be picked up for cheap money, and would be well worth the money. During next year one of them could emerge as a starter to take Green's place. With our system Kubiak could turn a Tyson/Fargas duo into a great RB Tandem. And if Echo turns out to be something that's a bonus.....almost as big as bonus as freeing up a 1st round pick!

Hervoyel
11-06-2007, 03:51 PM
Ahman Green
Tyson Thompson
Justin Fargas
Echo

Fargas and Tyson could be picked up for cheap money, and would be well worth the money. During next year one of them could emerge as a starter to take Green's place. With our system Kubiak could turn a Tyson/Fargas duo into a great RB Tandem. And if Echo turns out to be something that's a bonus.....almost as big as bonus as freeing up a 1st round pick!


Maybe he could do that but Mike Sherman couldn't and that's really the problem on that side of the ball. This isn't Denver and we aren't even trying to mimic their running game. We're doing Green Bay's running game and failing at it. Mike Shanahan could sign Justin Fargas, stick him in their system and watch him crank out 1400 yards. Gary kubiak would sign him, hand him to Mike Sherman, and watch him average 2.9 yards per carry.

TexansSeminole
11-06-2007, 03:56 PM
Ahman Green
Tyson Thompson
Justin Fargas
Echo

Fargas and Tyson could be picked up for cheap money, and would be well worth the money. During next year one of them could emerge as a starter to take Green's place. With our system Kubiak could turn a Tyson/Fargas duo into a great RB Tandem. And if Echo turns out to be something that's a bonus.....almost as big as bonus as freeing up a 1st round pick!

I just look at it as upgrading the position as a whole. It's a weak position of ours and when our starter gets injured it really shows how weak it is. Ahman Green can still run the ball when he is healthy, but after that any of these guys could and probably should be replaced.

Errant Hothy
11-06-2007, 04:02 PM
Ahman Green
Tyson Thompson
Justin Fargas
Echo

Fargas and Tyson could be picked up for cheap money, and would be well worth the money. During next year one of them could emerge as a starter to take Green's place. With our system Kubiak could turn a Tyson/Fargas duo into a great RB Tandem. And if Echo turns out to be something that's a bonus.....almost as big as bonus as freeing up a 1st round pick!

Tyson Thompson = OVER-RATED clap! clap! clapclapclap!!!

badboy
11-06-2007, 04:09 PM
I understand they are a good measurement. But you can't say "Alright let's look at the stats. 48 tackles 0 interceptions. OK he is a mediocre player." It doesn't work like that. There is a hell of alot more about this game than stats could show you.

Why would Fargas go for the same money as Ahman Green, a guy who has rushed for over 1,000 yards many time before. Fargas has never rushed for over 1,000 yards. Do you really think they would be going for even around the same price???

Also, what's wrong with picking up a guy who can carry 10 times a game successfully. Why must he prove to be able to carry 20-30 times a game before we sign him?If you are going after a 10 carry guy with a low contract why pick an RB that will be almost 29? You can get that type of deal with a 6th or 7th pick. His avg sucks.

TexansSeminole
11-06-2007, 04:13 PM
If you are going after a 10 carry guy with a low contract why pick an RB that will be almost 29? You can get that type of deal with a 6th or 7th pick. His avg sucks.

Because he won't make rookie mistakes, plus we need more RBs anyway so we will probably be drafting one before a 6th or 7th round in addition to adding from free agency.

Or maybe you are right, "His avg sucks".

badboy
11-06-2007, 04:15 PM
Maybe he could do that but Mike Sherman couldn't and that's really the problem on that side of the ball. This isn't Denver and we aren't even trying to mimic their running game. We're doing Green Bay's running game and failing at it. Mike Shanahan could sign Justin Fargas, stick him in their system and watch him crank out 1400 yards. Gary kubiak would sign him, hand him to Mike Sherman, and watch him average 2.9 yards per carry.Exactly! We need some solid players not "well he had a good season before he got hurt." or "well he can be a returner, too." I want a solid player that can avg 4.0 and get 20-25 rushes. IMO no one like that is going to be available in FA. I wished there was as I wished a solid LT will be there for a reasonable purchase price. As other threads have said, average to above avg players will want astronomical money. I don't mind spending the $30 million but be reasonable.

TexansSeminole
11-06-2007, 04:20 PM
Exactly! We need some solid players not "well he had a good season before he got hurt." or "well he can be a returner, too." I want a solid player that can avg 4.0 and get 20-25 rushes. IMO no one like that is going to be available in FA. I wished there was as I wished a solid LT will be there for a reasonable purchase price. As other threads have said, average to above avg players will want astronomical money. I don't mind spending the $30 million but be reasonable.

I think his point is more in that our coaching staff will not help him play to his potential and Denver's coaching staff could help him excel.

You keep looking at stats and thinking it's all about that one player. You have forgotten that 22 guys play on every play, and that coaches have alot to do with how well someone plays and therefore how good his stats are.

beerlover
11-06-2007, 04:39 PM
the jets, J.E.T.S. just released Rashad Washington-

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2926

badboy
11-06-2007, 04:55 PM
I think his point is more in that our coaching staff will not help him play to his potential and Denver's coaching staff could help him excel.

You keep looking at stats and thinking it's all about that one player. You have forgotten that 22 guys play on every play, and that coaches have alot to do with how well someone plays and therefore how good his stats are.
Baseball is a better example of what you are saying and I don't disagree with you. Coaches like Kubes often think they can make a player better (Carr) than previous coaches. I'm ok with that, but we need some less risky picks this season. We can't keep hoping for a diamond in the rough. We need to make some very good pick ups in free agency. I think it is a very weak field to select from.

badboy
11-06-2007, 04:59 PM
the jets, J.E.T.S. just released Rashad Washington-

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2926

This may be old but what i could find quickly.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/2004draft/Washington,Rashad-FS-Kansas%20State.htm

Mr teX
11-06-2007, 05:02 PM
They'll probably go back with McCleon, but i'd see about Jimmy Williams, he's young & maybe can be coached up a bit.

TexansSeminole
11-06-2007, 06:17 PM
Baseball is a better example of what you are saying and I don't disagree with you. Coaches like Kubes often think they can make a player better (Carr) than previous coaches. I'm ok with that, but we need some less risky picks this season. We can't keep hoping for a diamond in the rough. We need to make some very good pick ups in free agency. I think it is a very weak field to select from.

It isn't about trying to find a diamond in the rough. I know what I get out of Fargas if he comes here and it isn't a 1,000 yard rusher.

infantrycak
11-06-2007, 06:23 PM
It isn't about trying to find a diamond in the rough. I know what I get out of Fargas if he comes here and it isn't a 1,000 yard rusher.

Really?--Fargas is that visibly worse than Domanick Davis?

Dallas_Texan
11-06-2007, 06:41 PM
It isn't about trying to find a diamond in the rough. I know what I get out of Fargas if he comes here and it isn't a 1,000 yard rusher.

That's b/c he's going to be getting half of the carries. That's the point of the system. Green/Fargas/Thompson OR Echo would platoon. They would all play well, none of them would have to rush for 25 carries. AJ, Walter, A Davis, JJ, and Owen Daniels are going to be getting the ball often. We don't need two 1,000 yard backs, but 3 500 yard backs would be nice. Along with a good receiving corp that can keep defenses honest (oh yeah, AJ, Walter, Andre Davis, and OD,).

You use your first round pick on an LT, and if Spencer does come back, then you have two great Guards in Spencer and Studdard to open holes for our RB's. Imagine

LT - 1st rounder
LG - Pitts/Spencer
C- Flanagan (for now), McKinney
RG - Weary/Studdard
RT - Winston

add young receivers, and young RB's (other than Green) , and a young TE, and QB, and we have a great young team that will have years of greatness ahead of them.

The1ApplePie
11-06-2007, 07:19 PM
Like I said
Samuel= Jason David v 2

Don't waste the money

As far as drafting an RB late, unless you get lucky, you aren't going to get much out of a 3rd round and under back these days. Even Denver is finding that out.

Hottoddie
11-06-2007, 09:33 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't this thread start out talking about corner backs?:shades:

threetoedpete
11-07-2007, 02:55 PM
Yep. and no one has talked me out of Batman yet.

Well, gotta give Ahmen Green another shot. Knee is going to give him fits the rest of the year. I doubt we're in positon to draft one of the two high end guys. I'm figuring we'll eeek out one or two more. Just from the fact they did it lt year. Kubes won't go into the tank. He'd spit up major organ befor he'd quit. Great year for complimentry backs. I'll believe high end left tackle in the first when the pick is anouced at the end of April.

drewmar74
11-07-2007, 02:56 PM
I'll believe high end left tackle in the first when the pick is anouced at the end of April.

And I'm praying you're right.

TexansSeminole
11-07-2007, 02:57 PM
Really?--Fargas is that visibly worse than Domanick Davis?

Fargas runs hard but he doesn't have that tackle breaking ability DD had. It's possible, I just wouldn't expect it.

threetoedpete
11-07-2007, 02:58 PM
Really?--Fargas is that visibly worse than Domanick Davis?

I'm figuring as soon as they get Micheal Bush on line, son of Huggy bear becomes expendable. Hold your water and you pick him up for the waiver wire price.

infantrycak
11-07-2007, 03:36 PM
I'm figuring as soon as they get Micheal Bush on line, son of Huggy bear becomes expendable. Hold your water and you pick him up for the waiver wire price.

I wasn't saying to trade for him. Was just surprised to see someone claim he could never get 1000 yds.

Lamont Jordan may become the guy they deem expendable. The last two years of his contract are $4.75 and $5 mil and it looks like he might be the #3 RB.

TexansSeminole
11-07-2007, 04:55 PM
I wasn't saying to trade for him. Was just surprised to see someone claim he could never get 1000 yds.

Lamont Jordan may become the guy they deem expendable. The last two years of his contract are $4.75 and $5 mil and it looks like he might be the #3 RB.

I'm not saying he would never get 1,000 yards, I'm just saying that's not what I expect when I sign him if I am Rick Smith. I don't add him to the roster expected him to pump out 1,000+ yards.

Errant Hothy
11-07-2007, 05:15 PM
Back to CBs;

I wouldn't be shocked if they do not sign anybody, put Dunta on IR, move Hutchins back to CB, and bring Mitchell off the PS for depth.

Seeing as that is the only real plan we've heard from both Kubiak and Smith.

TexansSeminole
11-07-2007, 05:17 PM
Back to CBs;

I wouldn't be shocked if they do not sign anybody, put Dunta on IR, move Hutchins back to CB, and bring Mitchell off the PS for depth.

Seeing as that is the only real plan we've heard from both Kubiak and Smith.

I don't think there is anybody that could do anything for us. CBs are difficult to find. CBs on other teams PS aren't going to do anything for us. If CBs are any good they are on the 53 man roster.

drewmar74
11-07-2007, 05:36 PM
I don't think there is anybody that could do anything for us. CBs are difficult to find. CBs on other teams PS aren't going to do anything for us. If CBs are any good they are on the 53 man roster.

Sad, but oh so true.

I'm thinking it'll be:

CB1 = Bennet
CB2 = Petey (I just threw up in my mouth a little)
CB3 = Hutchins

I guess Fletch will dress some once he gets healed up

FS = Will Demps
SS = CC

Random-Safety-For-Depth-Guy or RSFDG = Harrison.

Dallas_Texan
11-07-2007, 06:34 PM
Sad, but oh so true.

I'm thinking it'll be:

CB1 = Bennet
CB2 = Petey (I just threw up in my mouth a little)
CB3 = Hutchins

I guess Fletch will dress some once he gets healed up

FS = Will Demps
SS = CC

Random-Safety-For-Depth-Guy or RSFDG = Harrison.



I haven't seen Boulware play at all. How has his play been when he's on the field?

adam
11-07-2007, 06:47 PM
I think we'll bring back Mccleon due to familiarity. I dont think that Rick Smith will be looking for a long term answer with this signing, just a bandaid to get us through the rest of this season. Mccleon already knows the scheme so if we sign him now he has the bye week to get back into football shape.

I would agree with this. I was never exactly sure why we cut McCleon in the first place, I always though he was a fairly solid CB. Either way, it doesn't much matter to me who we bring in...the bargain bin is running slim. I just do not want to see Petey back on the football field. He is a total liability.

drewmar74
11-07-2007, 08:14 PM
I haven't seen Boulware play at all. How has his play been when he's on the field?

All I can remember about Boulware was the blocked extra point and getting burned by Dallas Clark. Ummmmm.... that's about it.