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Dread-Head
11-04-2007, 06:42 PM
I still like Schaub, but I'm sorry Sage looked great out there today! He made some great reads and looked like a starter. Leave him where he is! I like him. SAGE! SAGE! SAGE!

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Thorn
11-04-2007, 06:44 PM
I like Sage, I always have. I'm glad we got him on our side.

Go Sage!

TexanSam
11-04-2007, 06:47 PM
He looked decent, but I don't think he looked great. He tried forcing a couple of throws. He's a good backup but I can't see him being a good starter over a long period of time. Schaub IS our starter

Mr teX
11-04-2007, 06:50 PM
He looked decent, but I don't think he looked great. He tried forcing a couple of throws. He's a good backup but I can't see him being a good starter over a long period of time. Schaub IS our starter

yeah a couple of times he looked like he just threw the ball without really even looking, & that's never a good thing.

ATXtexanfan
11-04-2007, 06:54 PM
sage is the best BACKUP QB in the league, leave it at that, we won the turnover battle and thus the game

Thorn
11-04-2007, 06:57 PM
sage is the best BACKUP QB in the league, leave it at that, we won the turnover battle and thus the game

Schaub is the starter, no doubt. But we are in good shape if Sage needs to start. We need to make damn sure we hang on to Sage.

buddyboy
11-04-2007, 07:22 PM
I think a HUGE reason why Sage looked so good out there today was because Ron Dayne got off his enormous behind when he saw we were playing the Raiders again. It's amazing what a QB can do with a solid running game...something Schuab has been without for the last few games.

GlassHalfFull
11-04-2007, 07:31 PM
He looked decent, but I don't think he looked great. He tried forcing a couple of throws. He's a good backup but I can't see him being a good starter over a long period of time. Schaub IS our starter

Exactly what I wanted to say. He really scares me with some of his throws. I think Schaub would have had a great day today if he had been healthy.

Sage is a great backup and I am thrilled he came in today and got the win. But Schaub is our guy.

Marcus
11-04-2007, 07:35 PM
If Ron Dayne, that's right, Ron Fricken Dayne can run for over 100 yards against that pathetic defense, then Sage should have played much better than he did.

Sheeez . . get a win over a crappy team, and some of you lose your minds.

Schaub is the starter. Sage will never be more than he is.

TexanSam
11-04-2007, 08:05 PM
If Ron Dayne, that's right, Ron Fricken Dayne can run for over 100 yards against that pathetic defense, then Sage should have played much better than he did.

Sheeez . . get a win over a crappy team, and some of you lose your minds.

Schaub is the starter. Sage will never be more than he is.

The Raiders have one of the worst run defenses but they do have one of the best pass defenses in the NFL. I think they are 3rd in the NFL against the pass.

Porky
11-04-2007, 08:24 PM
The Raiders have one of the worst run defenses but they do have one of the best pass defenses in the NFL. I think they are 3rd in the NFL against the pass.

Did you stop to think that's because every team is busy running it down their throats to begin with, and tend to have leads late, which leads to even more running. Liars figure, and figures lie.

Hookem Horns
11-04-2007, 08:30 PM
After watching the Panthers today, the real shame is that David Carr was starting ahead of him. I can only imagine what was going through his head as he watched the DC train wreck. He had to know he was better than DC.

Nighthawk
11-04-2007, 08:37 PM
Rosenfels has me wondering what he might do if he actually had to run the team all the time. He seems like a strong QB, good passer (though sometimes a little loosey-goosey), good movement in and out of the pocket, elusive (a little bit?), pretty big arm, guys want to play for him looks like, makes others look good all the time, pretty quick release -- I mean, what's not to like?

The thing I wonder is what might he do if he had to play the good teams every week. He wasn't strong enough last week, for example.

Still, I wonder. Is it even remotely possible that this guy has been hanging around the league for 5 years (or whatever) and deserves to be a starter?

I don't think he gets the chance with the Texans, but if I were any one of about a half-dozen other teams I'd be looking carefully at him.

Wonder what his contract is like? Wonder what he might be worth in a trade?

Nighthawk
11-04-2007, 08:38 PM
After watching the Panthers today, the real shame is that David Carr was starting ahead of him. I can only imagine what was going through his head as he watched the DC train wreck. He had to know he was better than DC.


Yeah, and right about now he's as good as Matt Schaub, so what's going though his head now?

brakos82
11-04-2007, 09:15 PM
Liars figure, and figures lie.

Liar.

Hagar
11-04-2007, 09:18 PM
I'm not totally convinced that Matt is or even should be our starter. Make no mistake about it, Matt is a much better QB then whatshisname but I've seen him make some pretty bonehead play too. Also, I'm not totally convinced that Sage should be our starter either for pretty much the same reasons. Both of our QBs have been career backups and both are making the same types of mistakes. You know, those growing into the job mistakes. Sage look real good today but then again, Ron Dayne ran for 127 yards too. When both Green & Dayne were banged up, did either Matt or Sage look very good? No, not really.

I will say, the price for Matt was steep. Two second rounder picks is essentially two starters from your team. I think you have to asker yourself this question; "How good would we look if we had kept the second round picks and chosen _______?" Here's a couple of folks who could help out our line that were chosen at the top of the 2nd round.

Arron Sears: Starting left guard for Tampa
Tony Ugoh: Starting left tackle Indy

How much better is Sage if we had a better line? How much better is our running game if we have a better line? Did we really need to pay that high a price for a backup QB?

Kubes & company appear to have a pension for making solid draft choices so it wouldn't surprise me to see us pick up another top flight plays in both of those lost drafts. Taking away starters is a big deal and I expect our second round pick to be just that, a starter.

Hervoyel
11-04-2007, 09:58 PM
I'm sorry but Sage never looks even remotely like a starter to me. I've never understood what people are seeing in him. Yes, he was without a doubt an improvement over "Ocho Stinko" but he's not a starting QB. Everything he does out there looks a step slower than even Schaub whose an NFL starter for the first time in his career. The difference really is like night and day in my opinion.

Buffi2
11-04-2007, 10:56 PM
Wonder what his contract is like? Wonder what he might be worth in a trade?

3/13/2006: Signed a four-year, $7 million contract. The deal included a $2 million signing bonus. 2007: $1.1 million, 2008-2009: $1.35 million, 2010: Free Agent

source (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=nfl&id=1276)

I bet Carolina would take him...today.:user:

Napa Auto Parts
11-04-2007, 10:58 PM
Ive liked ZaiGee since last year but its not hard liking anyone that backs up Carr hell i even liked tony banks more than sorry piece of junk Carr.

Specnatz
11-04-2007, 10:59 PM
I'm sorry but Sage never looks even remotely like a starter to me. I've never understood what people are seeing in him. Yes, he was without a doubt an improvement over "Ocho Stinko" but he's not a starting QB. Everything he does out there looks a step slower than even Schaub whose an NFL starter for the first time in his career. The difference really is like night and day in my opinion.

I agree with you 100%. he seems to force throws and all of his deep balls look like they are just thrown up for grabs.

AnthonyE
11-05-2007, 12:08 AM
Except for a couple of beautiful throws, he did decent.

He's the best backup in the league, however, I don't think he'll be the best starter.

dskillz
11-05-2007, 07:42 AM
I'm sorry but Sage never looks even remotely like a starter to me. I've never understood what people are seeing in him. Yes, he was without a doubt an improvement over "Ocho Stinko" but he's not a starting QB. Everything he does out there looks a step slower than even Schaub whose an NFL starter for the first time in his career. The difference really is like night and day in my opinion.


Exactly, he looks down recievers as well and has a habit of throwing it up for grabs instead of throwing it away or just taking a sack. Let's not go crazy here. He is a good back-up is a great insurance policy. So it should be "Sage for Vice President!!!"

Texan_Bill
11-05-2007, 07:46 AM
I'm sorry but Sage never looks even remotely like a starter to me. I've never understood what people are seeing in him. Yes, he was without a doubt an improvement over "Ocho Stinko" but he's not a starting QB. Everything he does out there looks a step slower than even Schaub whose an NFL starter for the first time in his career. The difference really is like night and day in my opinion.

Agree also.... He's nice to bring off the bench and there's not a whole lot of teams that have a Sage type luxury, but at the end of the day, he's a BACKUP...

mridge01
11-05-2007, 09:07 AM
I think a HUGE reason why Sage looked so good out there today was because Ron Dayne got off his enormous behind when he saw we were playing the Raiders again. It's amazing what a QB can do with a solid running game...something Schuab has been without for the last few games.

Amen

taruky
11-05-2007, 09:08 AM
I'm not totally convinced that Matt is or even should be our starter. Make no mistake about it, Matt is a much better QB then whatshisname but I've seen him make some pretty bonehead play too. Also, I'm not totally convinced that Sage should be our starter either for pretty much the same reasons. Both of our QBs have been career backups and both are making the same types of mistakes. You know, those growing into the job mistakes. Sage look real good today but then again, Ron Dayne ran for 127 yards too. When both Green & Dayne were banged up, did either Matt or Sage look very good? No, not really.

I will say, the price for Matt was steep. Two second rounder picks is essentially two starters from your team. I think you have to asker yourself this question; "How good would we look if we had kept the second round picks and chosen _______?" Here's a couple of folks who could help out our line that were chosen at the top of the 2nd round.

Arron Sears: Starting left guard for Tampa
Tony Ugoh: Starting left tackle Indy

How much better is Sage if we had a better line? How much better is our running game if we have a better line? Did we really need to pay that high a price for a backup QB?

Kubes & company appear to have a pension for making solid draft choices so it wouldn't surprise me to see us pick up another top flight plays in both of those lost drafts. Taking away starters is a big deal and I expect our second round pick to be just that, a starter.

Schaub has been a backup to Michael Vick, so his career backup label comes with a very large asterisk. There was no way ANYONE was going to start ahead of Vick for many reasons I don't need to get into. Also we're talking 3 seasons as a backup, really not a lot. In my opinion, until getting pulverized by the Titans, Schaub really displayed that he will be a very good QB in the league. Were things tough in the red zone, yes. Did he underthrow a few passes (which I see many QBs do, including Favre a few times this season)? Yes. But these are things that can be fixed; the fact is that he was consistently moving the ball against defenses.

Goldensilence
11-05-2007, 11:49 AM
Rosenfels has me wondering what he might do if he actually had to run the team all the time. He seems like a strong QB, good passer (though sometimes a little loosey-goosey), good movement in and out of the pocket, elusive (a little bit?), pretty big arm, guys want to play for him looks like, makes others look good all the time, pretty quick release -- I mean, what's not to like?

The thing I wonder is what might he do if he had to play the good teams every week. He wasn't strong enough last week, for example.

Still, I wonder. Is it even remotely possible that this guy has been hanging around the league for 5 years (or whatever) and deserves to be a starter?

I don't think he gets the chance with the Texans, but if I were any one of about a half-dozen other teams I'd be looking carefully at him.

Wonder what his contract is like? Wonder what he might be worth in a trade?


You're kidding right?

You don't remember his chances in Maimi and Washington when both starting QB postions were up for grabs? Sorry but if you can't beat out Ramsey or Fielder you don't deserve to be a starting QB.

He's Commander Cody 2.0. Great in a pinch but won't ever make it as a legit starter.

powerfuldragon
11-05-2007, 01:32 PM
i wonder if someone got a photograph of him while he was bleeding. heroic.

kiwitexansfan
11-05-2007, 03:46 PM
You can't spell Sage Rosenfels without an INT......

Well maybe you can, but he puts the ball up for grabs way too much. When he throws a pick I am not remotely surprised, its what he does.

HoustonFrog
11-05-2007, 03:50 PM
I'm sorry but Sage never looks even remotely like a starter to me. I've never understood what people are seeing in him. Yes, he was without a doubt an improvement over "Ocho Stinko" but he's not a starting QB. Everything he does out there looks a step slower than even Schaub whose an NFL starter for the first time in his career. The difference really is like night and day in my opinion.

As well as I could put it.

Nighthawk
11-05-2007, 05:37 PM
and all of his deep balls look like they are just thrown up for grabs.

This is odd--when he threw the touch to Andre II, I mean, when the ball left Rosenfels' hand, I said, "That's stupid," and what I was thinking was that he was throwing it up for grabs and had OVERTHROWN the receiver by a mile.

So imagine my surprise when the ball lands right in Andre II's outstretched hands.

Then I thought, "Oh, maybe Rosenfels is more accurate than it looks."

Specnatz
11-05-2007, 05:47 PM
This is odd--when he threw the touch to Andre II, I mean, when the ball left Rosenfels' hand, I said, "That's stupid," and what I was thinking was that he was throwing it up for grabs and had OVERTHROWN the receiver by a mile.

So imagine my surprise when the ball lands right in Andre II's outstretched hands.

Then I thought, "Oh, maybe Rosenfels is more accurate than it looks."

Look at all of his Ints, iincluding the one he threw in this game.

IlliniJen
11-05-2007, 06:38 PM
Look at all of his Ints, iincluding the one he threw in this game.

And that last TD he threw in the end zone in the Titans game? I think that was into double coverage and could have been a horrible decision had it been intercepted. I watch that throw and cringe, even though the outcome was a TD. There's pretty much only one guy you can toss the ball up to, and last I checked he played for New England.

SheTexan
11-05-2007, 07:50 PM
If I remember correctly, no one thought Tom Brady would ever be more than a back up either, AND look what happened! Give our guys credit when credit is due. There are more TOM BRADY'S and PAYTON MANNINGS out there, and we just might have one of them. Who knows, another Bret Farve might surface. Let's be happy we have what we have. Our two QBs play their hearts out, and in a couple years just might be the next super hero!

Bipolar The Titan
11-05-2007, 11:18 PM
Congratulations on the big win.

you know what this means don't you?

you guys officially OWN the Raiders! :whip:

how does it feel? :pirate: hahahaha

Texanmike02
11-06-2007, 02:09 AM
I'm not totally convinced that Matt is or even should be our starter. Make no mistake about it, Matt is a much better QB then whatshisname but I've seen him make some pretty bonehead play too. Also, I'm not totally convinced that Sage should be our starter either for pretty much the same reasons. Both of our QBs have been career backups and both are making the same types of mistakes. You know, those growing into the job mistakes. Sage look real good today but then again, Ron Dayne ran for 127 yards too. When both Green & Dayne were banged up, did either Matt or Sage look very good? No, not really.

I will say, the price for Matt was steep. Two second rounder picks is essentially two starters from your team. I think you have to asker yourself this question; "How good would we look if we had kept the second round picks and chosen _______?" Here's a couple of folks who could help out our line that were chosen at the top of the 2nd round.

Arron Sears: Starting left guard for Tampa
Tony Ugoh: Starting left tackle Indy

How much better is Sage if we had a better line? How much better is our running game if we have a better line? Did we really need to pay that high a price for a backup QB?

Kubes & company appear to have a pension for making solid draft choices so it wouldn't surprise me to see us pick up another top flight plays in both of those lost drafts. Taking away starters is a big deal and I expect our second round pick to be just that, a starter.

OK. Stop the madness. I know you're old enough to remember "Commander Cody". That's what Sage is. Remember when Moon broke his collar bone? Or remember when we thought we were going to hand the keys to him? He was a very good backup. But as a starter he was an utter failure.

Imagine how much better we would be if we had Schaub AND an offensive line. I haven't been easy on Schaub either. I think he has alot of work. But he's willing to put it in.

As for comparing them saying they are both career backups. Who's the best player Schaub had to beat out for a starting job? Jay Fiedler? HWWNSO? Those filthy birds never even thought of starting anyone who they didn't have 60mil invested in. Never would have considered it.


Mike

Dread-Head
11-06-2007, 09:43 AM
If I remember correctly, no one thought Tom Brady would ever be more than a back up either, AND look what happened! Give our guys credit when credit is due. There are more TOM BRADY'S and PAYTON MANNINGS out there, and we just might have one of them. Who knows, another Bret Farve might surface. Let's be happy we have what we have. Our two QBs play their hearts out, and in a couple years just might be the next super hero!

Sage seems to know his way around the offense was my ORIGINAL point. He looks more confident out there than Schaub does. Let me reitterate, I like Schaub but Sage seems to have a better rythum out there. And insofar as the "Commander Cody 2.0" comment was concerned. Come on. Cody was a pale version of Giff Neilson at best. The man's bones were too brittle to play in the NFL and his first game as the Oiler's "Starter" proved that.
Give Rosenfels a chance.

Texan_Bill
11-06-2007, 10:09 AM
Cody was a pale version of Giff Neilson at best.

LMAO DH....That's pretty bad.. As pale as Giff is, that would make Cody the whitest, white man... Evah!!

Specnatz
11-06-2007, 11:15 AM
If I remember correctly, no one thought Tom Brady would ever be more than a back up either, AND look what happened! Give our guys credit when credit is due. There are more TOM BRADY'S and PAYTON MANNINGS out there, and we just might have one of them. Who knows, another Bret Farve might surface. Let's be happy we have what we have. Our two QBs play their hearts out, and in a couple years just might be the next super hero!

G'Ma I am not hating on anyone and I think Matt Schuab is a hell of a QB and I think Sage is one hell of a back-up, but that is all Sage is, a back-up. All this being in-love with who ever is the back-up is just not right when Matt has done nothing to lose his job.

BigBull17
11-06-2007, 11:22 AM
The Raiders have one of the worst run defenses but they do have one of the best pass defenses in the NFL. I think they are 3rd in the NFL against the pass.

Yeah, stats like that are so unreliable. If youre down all game, people dont pass much.

steds
11-06-2007, 11:49 AM
What (admittedly little, coming from where I come from) I've seen of Rosenfels, I like. Not sure what would happen if he got a run in the side, but there's one way to find out and I reckon it'd be worth a go.

And that last TD he threw in the end zone in the Titans game? I think that was into double coverage and could have been a horrible decision had it been intercepted.
What's your point? Pretty much every decision anyone ever makes would be a bad one if it went wrong.

Specnatz
11-06-2007, 12:06 PM
What (admittedly little, coming from where I come from) I've seen of Rosenfels, I like. Not sure what would happen if he got a run in the side, but there's one way to find out and I reckon it'd be worth a go.


What's your point? Pretty much every decision anyone ever makes would be a bad one if it went wrong.

Point is that he got lucky and it worked out, just because a play works does not mean it was the right decesion. Also, just because something does not workdoes not neccessarily mean it was a wrong one either.

But he should not have thrown the pass when he did, it was because of a great play by Andre Davis.

adam
11-07-2007, 05:59 PM
One thing I do like about Sage is that he goes vertical more often than Schaub and certainly more often than Carr did. He is great, and I am comfortable with him in emergency situations. With that said, Schaub should be our starter. He is a careful passer, who goes through his protections and makes the best pass. He needs to think quicker and stop over throwing his receivers, but on the whole...I think he can become a solid player. The only thing I'm worried about it his durability.

drewmar74
11-07-2007, 07:20 PM
The only thing I'm worried about it his durability.

Meh, only time will answer this question. In the meantime, be thankful that we've got Sage coming off the bench. It could be a lot worse....

adam
11-07-2007, 08:15 PM
Meh, only time will answer this question. In the meantime, be thankful that we've got Sage coming off the bench. It could be a lot worse....

I just don't like the idea that had out QB has had to leave three games in a row. I just hope that after the bye he is fully healed and that A.J. will be back to give him some help. I am thankful for Sage, however. He has proven that he can get it done in place of Schaub.

Goldensilence
11-08-2007, 12:00 PM
I just don't like the idea that had out QB has had to leave three games in a row. I just hope that after the bye he is fully healed and that A.J. will be back to give him some help. I am thankful for Sage, however. He has proven that he can get it done in place of Schaub.

I think we've got a few guys nicked up pretty bad but they're trying to play through it. I don't like the idea much either but the bigger thing is we need something done regularly in the running game.

I think the bye week came at good time and hopefully we can get some of the pieces back together for the last half of this season to get to .500 and that this team look like the one that started 2-0. I hope someone really shows up in the game with Reggie Bush on his mind.

Hagar
11-08-2007, 01:26 PM
Imagine how much better we would be if we had Schaub AND an offensive line.I don't disagree with you one little bit. But I will say, that we could have a descent offensive line right now had we kept the 2nd round pick and taken Tony Ugoh.

Remember, we don't have a 2nd round pick next year either. In the first round, I suspect the Texans will take a S or a CB (especially now that Dunta is injured). Without a 2nd round pick, I don't see us making any major changes to the line and any lineman we take in later rounds will be probably require a few years of work before he can start.

I would rather be starting Rosenfells with a descent line then having both Rosenfels & Schaub and the line we have right now and our most likely future line as well.

Schaub is a good QB and this should not be reflected on him, I just think we paid too much.

TexansSeminole
11-08-2007, 02:08 PM
I don't disagree with you one little bit. But I will say, that we could have a descent offensive line right now had we kept the 2nd round pick and taken Tony Ugoh.

Remember, we don't have a 2nd round pick next year either. In the first round, I suspect the Texans will take a S or a CB (especially now that Dunta is injured). Without a 2nd round pick, I don't see us making any major changes to the line and any lineman we take in later rounds will be probably require a few years of work before he can start.

I would rather be starting Rosenfells with a descent line then having both Rosenfels & Schaub and the line we have right now and our most likely future line as well.

Schaub is a good QB and this should not be reflected on him, I just think we paid too much.

I think we also paid for the ability to get a guy who has been in the year a few years. If we were to have drafted a QB, or were planning to later, than we would not be getting a guy who is as NFL savvy.

DerekLee1
11-09-2007, 12:04 AM
It's too bad we lost all the old posts with the board change. I'd point out that 2 years ago I suggested trading Carr for whatever value we could get for him (probably a 2nd rounder at that time), starting Sage, and drafting Reggie Bush. Even LAST year after cutting Carr, as much as I love Schauby, could you IMAGINE this team with Sage starting, using last year's 2nd round pick with our #8 to move up and pick up Adrian Peterson? WOW.

Twitch-Houston
11-09-2007, 08:52 AM
pick up Adrian Peterson? WOW.

I gotta admit, Peterson was good in college, but I never expected what he's done this year. WOW is right. Hopefully the rest of the team can meet his talent so he doesn't become another bad ass back a la Barry Sanders on a mediocre team.

infantrycak
11-09-2007, 09:17 AM
It's too bad we lost all the old posts with the board change. I'd point out that 2 years ago I suggested trading Carr for whatever value we could get for him (probably a 2nd rounder at that time), starting Sage, and drafting Reggie Bush.

That was never an option. If you didn't pick up his option he was a free agent and couldn't be traded. Once the option was picked up there was no way they were going to trade him and take all the option bonus as dead money on the cap. That would have been paying $8 mil for a 2nd round pick.

Twitch-Houston
11-09-2007, 10:14 AM
Speaking of "What ifs" in the draft...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=3098817