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RTP2110
10-30-2007, 09:17 PM
Am I the only one who thinks it would be a crippling loss for the organaziation and fan base? This was supposed to be the year the Texans made or at least came very close to the playoffs. If we lose Sunday, we will be 3-6, aand even matching last year's 6-10 record will be difficult. A loss Sunday gives us a 6 game stretch that looks like this,

A close win in a game we trailed most of to a bad Miami team.
A loss to a bad Atlanta team.
A loss to a bad Oakland team.
3 emabarrasing losses to quality teams. (Jax, Ten, SD)

There's no way we should be seeing this level of play at this stage. Not only is it year 6, more importantly, it is year 2 in regime 2. There are many fans that held out hope after the Carr, Capers, & Casserly housecleaning, but with a new regime, this level of play may not be tolerated much longer. At least a win on Sunday will get us to 4-5 going into the bye week. We would have a chance to gather ourselves, and make a late playoff push. There is a great open letter thread on the official Texans forums that is a great read. IMO, this week's game is a huge one for the team, the season, and the entire organization.

Texanmike02
10-30-2007, 09:25 PM
The problem is this. How can you be surprised we're playing poorly. We have have 5 Gaping holes on this team. The good news... that's fixable. The bad news.. they are going to cause MAJOR problems.

If we didn't buy into the hype, but rather we paid attention to the reality that is this team... we might not be "crippled" as a fan base.


Mike

ATXtexanfan
10-30-2007, 09:30 PM
HATE TO SAY IT BUT EVERY LOSS PUTS US IN BETTER POSTION TO DRAFT A QUALITY O-LINEMAN, time to start thinking about how to improve this team next year. i bought into the hype after the 2-0 start but we lack talent everywhere. we are probably 2 yrs away from being competitive, hell just look at us compared to our division

RTP2110
10-30-2007, 09:32 PM
The problem is this. How can you be surprised we're playing poorly. We have have 5 Gaping holes on this team. The good news... that's fixable. The bad news.. they are going to cause MAJOR problems.

If we didn't buy into the hype, but rather we paid attention to the reality that is this team... we might not be "crippled" as a fan base.


Mike

You're right, and that's also part of the problem. 6 years into a franchise, you should not have 5 gaping holes on your roster.

Also, I don't mean that I am abandoning the team or giving up. I'm really talking about most of the casual fans out there.

Thorn
10-30-2007, 09:55 PM
You're right, and that's also part of the problem. 6 years into a franchise, you should not have 5 gaping holes on your roster.

Also, I don't mean that I am abandoning the team or giving up. I'm really talking about most of the casual fans out there.

6 years into a franchise is correct, but a year and a half ago we threw away the first four years, and now we are a year and a half into the whole thing again. Not that we didn't need to get rid of Capers and company, but there was a lot of rebuilding to do then, and now.

Yeah, it pretty much sucks, but it's just the way it is. I keep watching and hoping. I've pretty much been doing that since I started watching the Oilers with interest back in the early 70s, and no matter how bad it gets, I just keep watching and hoping. You'd think I'd know better by now, but apparently I don't.

stingray
10-30-2007, 10:01 PM
If we look at the season so far, I think the crippling loss is the Falcon Loss. We were 2-1 at the time and the only loss was the Colts loss and we were competitive in that game. But we went into Atlanta and we got beat by a bad football team, maybe the worst team in the NFL. That should have been the warning sign that this team was overated.

houstonhurricane
10-30-2007, 10:06 PM
I couldn't agree more that this is one of the most important games in the history of the franchise. Yes, I know that sounds odd - a very bad Texans team playing an even worse Raider squad; however, if we go to 3 - 6 headed into a bye with the Saints and Bush coming into town a week later, it is going to be a very tough climb to respectability.

A win would put the team at 4-5 and at least a fighting chance at 8 - 8. This is a MUST win...

kiwitexansfan
10-30-2007, 10:08 PM
I think the bandwagon fans would be off the wagon by now, so crippling I would say no.

The loss I felt the most (in Texans history) was the loss to the Browns that kept us at 7-9.

Every other loss I call a Monday (NZ time)

Texanmike02
10-30-2007, 10:14 PM
I realize this franchise is 6 years old. I do. That said you have to take each regime for what they are. This regime has its issues. I will admit I'm a little worried that Kubes = Offensive Minded Capers. That said, I've seen more from this team in 1 and a half years than I saw in 4 years under CC and Capers. It isn't Smith or Kubiak's fault that we waisted 4 years. If I wasn't seeing the talent improve I would be worried but you had to know that after a 2-14 season with very few "up and comer's" on the roster that it was going to be a process. Look at what we've accomplished this year. I think the newly found cap room is discounted way too much. Next year we will have a lot of flexibility. In the past we had no money to bring guys in. We had to draft and take what was left on the scrap heap. That's not the case this year. We've got almost a full slate of draft picks and as much money as just about anyone. That gives you so many options. We can look at RB and even linemen in FA. Max Starks will likely not be resigned by Pitt and he's 25. He's 6'7 and 330+. Sign him and an RB, draft CB/FS and look at Dansby or Williams as well in free agency.

I doubt you get all of your people, but at the same time you can make ALOT of head way if you do those things.

We can sit here and say "its year 6, we shouldn't be going through this at this point". Well until we are winning regularly, I get my kicks out of trying to accurately access and predict the team's play.


Mike

SuperDan
10-30-2007, 10:16 PM
Am I the only one who thinks it would be a crippling loss for the organaziation and fan base?

After every abysmal loss of the past several weeks we say this. Not just the folks on this board, not just the folks you talk to around the water cooler, not just the media...*everyone.*

Every loss we've experienced, short of the Indy loss has been crippling for this franchise. Each losing week, our hopes of soon being a contending franchise are dashed just a bit more. The loss to Atlanta was *the* loss of the season. Everything after that just further reinforced the point that was made during that game.

rickyb
10-30-2007, 10:55 PM
HATE TO SAY IT BUT EVERY LOSS PUTS US IN BETTER POSTION TO DRAFT A QUALITY O-LINEMAN, time to start thinking about how to improve this team next year. i bought into the hype after the 2-0 start but we lack talent everywhere. we are probably 2 yrs away from being competitive, hell just look at us compared to our division

Ummm, rule of thumb -- quality linemen can be found on the board at the end of the 1st. Marcus McNeil comes to mind. But also --- Winston in the 3rd. Spencer in the 3rd (someone is going to say that one is a bad example, to which I reply no one can predict injuries, that's just bad luck)

It's nothing personal, ATX. I'm just not ready to mail in the season.

Runner
10-30-2007, 11:02 PM
This will be about the 27th statement game for the Texans since they joined the league. I think I've already heard the message.

ActualTexan
10-31-2007, 01:33 AM
rant/

An interesting thread. Perhaps the most interesting on thread on this board. But, here is the question - Why not just be a typical Houston Pro Sports fan and blame it on Bud Adams, Vince Young, KEYE, or something else. Has anyone ever stepped back and looked at the comments on this board after a loss?

CLUE: Pro football is about people. You either have them, or you don't.

I can't wait until we "have them" so the bandwagoners (and damn near most others) will shut up. :cool:

/rant over

PapaL
10-31-2007, 06:47 AM
I don't think a team that has never had a winning or .500 season can have a crippling lose. It's a trademark of bad talent deficent teams - losing.



Has anyone ever stepped back and looked at the comments on this board after a loss?

Yeah hence why most sane people stay away from here for a few days.

GlassHalfFull
10-31-2007, 07:56 AM
If the Texans lose to Oakland...

The world will still spin on it's axis and I will still be a fan.

Thorn
10-31-2007, 08:32 AM
Yeah hence why most sane people stay away from here for a few days.

I didn't realize football fandom and sanity were supposed to go together. I've always believed them to be two seperate things. LOL

nunusguy
10-31-2007, 09:27 AM
We can win this game, it is very "winnable". But I don't really expect us to
come out on top. We've just had too many big, important games this year and
we've lost them all, except for the Carolina game. And I thought that was the beginning of something new, but I realize now that game was just probably a fluke, an aberration.
If we lose this game, Kubiak has probably lost the team and much of the faith they may have had in him when the season started. So the game is huge because a loss and that likely dooms any real chance of finishing the season with a better record than last year.

Texans_Chick
10-31-2007, 09:41 AM
We can win this game, it is very "winnable". But I don't really expect us to
come out on top. We've just had too many big, important games this year and
we've lost them all, except for the Carolina game. And I thought that was the beginning of something new, but I realize now that game was just probably a fluke, an aberration.
If we lose this game, Kubiak has probably lost the team and much of the faith they may have had in him when the season started. So the game is huge because a loss and that likely dooms any real chance of finishing the season with a better record than last year.

Personally, I am trying to figure out what offense they are going to put on the field.

They have one functional QB. And a guy who couldn't make the Bills' squad.

They have no functional RBs. Green's "goal" is to play on Sunday, Dayne got hurt again the last game, and Echemandu pulled a hamstring, something handy to have as a running back. Does Walker get activated? Or do we just activate the guys we have, and hope they can take more than 5 snaps before they fall down and can't get up.

Their best TE has an ankle sprain. Expect, uh, Dreesen to have a big game.

Andre Davis got nicked last game. Are the Texans going to sport the only all white receiver corps in the league?

Flanagan got dinged. Is that dinged dinged or just dingalinged or ding dong daddy from dumas? Does he play, or are the Texans one deep with Chris White on the road against the Raiders defense. <shudder>

Given all the injuries to the offense, I am thinking we are due for another offensive linemen to go down.

So how do you game plan this? You can't do the shut down the passing game, we only have one functional QB (i.e. The Texans game plan post 2006 Raiders Game), because our running backs are crushed too.

So the game plan is: Whoever can function the best will get the ball. Nobody can get hurt so we will just have to bring some duct tape just in case.

Eek.

swtbound07
10-31-2007, 09:56 AM
HATE TO SAY IT BUT EVERY LOSS PUTS US IN BETTER POSTION TO DRAFT A QUALITY O-LINEMAN, time to start thinking about how to improve this team next year. i bought into the hype after the 2-0 start but we lack talent everywhere. we are probably 2 yrs away from being competitive, hell just look at us compared to our division

i really really can't stand people like you. Tanking games already and we aren't even at our bye? Jeez.

houstonhurricane
10-31-2007, 09:56 AM
TC,

Wow, your post really put some perspective on how difficult a position we are in. Didn't realize that Dayne was "dinged" as well...

Thankfully, the Raiders rush defense is so poor that we could probably roll out Walker at HB and have some success. Not so sure we are going to be able to have much success in the passing game. Is J. Jones going to start?

As to a few of the other points raised here, I just don't understand how some of you can criticize fans who come here and vent as "bandwagon fans?" Serioiusly, these are folks who still support a team that is currently 3 - 5, has never had a winning season and made some of the most questionable personnel decisions in the league over the last few years. A "bandwagon" member would clearly have hitched their allegiance to the Cowboys, Patriots, Colts, Titans, etc.

I continue to believe that this game is huge for the franchise because a loss almost assures us of another losing season - when we started off with so much promise. It may not be fair, but it is what it is...

HOU-TEX
10-31-2007, 10:03 AM
Personally, I am trying to figure out what offense they are going to put on the field.

They have one functional QB. And a guy who couldn't make the Bills' squad.

They have no functional RBs. Green's "goal" is to play on Sunday, Dayne got hurt again the last game, and Echemandu pulled a hamstring, something handy to have as a running back. Does Walker get activated? Or do we just activate the guys we have, and hope they can take more than 5 snaps before they fall down and can't get up.

Their best TE has an ankle sprain. Expect, uh, Dreesen to have a big game.

Andre Davis got nicked last game. Are the Texans going to sport the only all white receiver corps in the league?

Flanagan got dinged. Is that dinged dinged or just dingalinged or ding dong daddy from dumas? Does he play, or are the Texans one deep with Chris White on the road against the Raiders defense. <shudder>

Given all the injuries to the offense, I am thinking we are due for another offensive linemen to go down.

So how do you game plan this? You can't do the shut down the passing game, we only have one functional QB (i.e. The Texans game plan post 2006 Raiders Game), because our running backs are crushed too.

So the game plan is: Whoever can function the best will get the ball. Nobody can get hurt so we will just have to bring some duct tape just in case.

Eek.

Well, from the looks of how things have gone these past few games, here's what we might see each offensive series:
1st down-Kneel
2nd down-kneel
3rd down-kneel
4th down-punt
Hopefully D-Ryans can pull out a win similar to last season.:gun:

IlliniJen
10-31-2007, 10:11 AM
Am I the only one who thinks it would be a crippling loss for the organaziation and fan base? This was supposed to be the year the Texans made or at least came very close to the playoffs. If we lose Sunday, we will be 3-6, aand even matching last year's 6-10 record will be difficult. A loss Sunday gives us a 6 game stretch that looks like this,


I don't know how anyone, in good faith, can make that statement. Who thought we would make or come close to making the playoffs before the season started? I don't know if this was the year the Texans were SUPPOSED to do anything other than rebuild and solidify.

I would say that their inability to rebuild and solidify has been the greatest disappointment, not their record. While their record is indicative of a number of issues, the frustration and disappointment goes beyond just that.

There are a great deal of intangibles that are starting to wear on me, starting with Kubiak's endorsement each week of some of the teams weaknesses. He's starting to lose credibility with me when he trots out how Mario is playing good, how the Oline is playing good...while I realize he can't through his players under the bus, this is too much. It's on the verge of pandering, and it surely isn't true. Texans fans, we ain't stupid, and we need an organization that will realize that and hire folks who are straight shooters and full of fire.

StarStruck
10-31-2007, 10:16 AM
HATE TO SAY IT BUT EVERY LOSS PUTS US IN BETTER POSTION TO DRAFT A QUALITY O-LINEMAN, time to start thinking about how to improve this team next year. i bought into the hype after the 2-0 start but we lack talent everywhere. we are probably 2 yrs away from being competitive, hell just look at us compared to our division

When is it going to come to a time and the Texans aren't in the top eight year in and year out for draft picks? I can understand two or three years getting the pick of the litter, but year 7? Come on!

Texans_Chick
10-31-2007, 10:28 AM
TC,

Wow, your post really put some perspective on how difficult a position we are in. Didn't realize that Dayne was "dinged" as well...

Thankfully, the Raiders rush defense is so poor that we could probably roll out Walker at HB and have some success. Not so sure we are going to be able to have much success in the passing game. Is J. Jones going to start?



Oh, wait, yeah, we have Jones back so it won't be the all white receiving corps. Though I will say that Jones has not looked like himself since he got injured.

He doesn't look right doing returns.

And it is hard to say what Jones is supposed to look like. He was barely getting his feet under him when he got injured.

Double Barrel
10-31-2007, 10:30 AM
If the Texans lose to Oakland...

The world will still spin on it's axis and I will still be a fan.

yep. And I'll still put my pants on one leg at a time. :cowboy1:

I was hoping for a .500 season, which is still possible regardless of probability.

I'm a firm believing in walking before running, so expecting playoffs from a team that has never won more games than lost in a single season is placing expectations beyond reality.

As far as the 'bandwagon fan' comments, if you are still rooting for this team after 5.5 dismal seasons - regardless if you are full of optimism, pessimism, realism, or any other 'ism - then you are a Texans fan. Fairweather fans left this sinking ship a long time ago.

Mr. White
10-31-2007, 10:36 AM
If I were a betting man, I wouldn't have entitled this thread If the Texans lose to Oakland.

Oakland's looking like a real football team right now. They've just had some bad breaks this season.

PapaL
10-31-2007, 10:55 AM
Oh, wait, yeah, we have Jones back so it won't be the all white receiving corps. Though I will say that Jones has not looked like himself since he got injured.

He doesn't look right doing returns.

And it is hard to say what Jones is supposed to look like. He was barely getting his feet under him when he got injured.

Glad someone else noticed it. He's missing the umpf he displayed in PRE-season.

Texanfan4ever
10-31-2007, 11:01 AM
I"m with TC. If anyone else gets hurt, we aren't even going to have anyone to put on the field. We are going to have to concede the year. Echimandu is hurt too. If Sage goes down, we are totally finished.

I've never seen anything like it. How does this happen?

powerfuldragon
10-31-2007, 11:45 AM
if the texans lose to oakland, how 'bout them rockets.

Thorn
10-31-2007, 11:53 AM
I"m with TC. If anyone else gets hurt, we aren't even going to have anyone to put on the field. We are going to have to concede the year. Echimandu is hurt too. If Sage goes down, we are totally finished.

I've never seen anything like it. How does this happen?

Aren't NFL teams supposed to have trainers and folks that work on conditioning? Or are all our injuries contact injuries?

I ask, because I don't know.

Texanfan4ever
10-31-2007, 12:30 PM
Aren't NFL teams supposed to have trainers and folks that work on conditioning? Or are all our injuries contact injuries?

I ask, because I don't know.

That';s what I was thinking. Several of them are contact injuries, but most of them are pulled hamstrings, pulled muscles, knees, etc.

Buffi2
10-31-2007, 12:40 PM
Glad someone else noticed it. He's missing the umpf he displayed in PRE-season.

It is almost like he is playing scared - in fear of getting hurt again. The wild abandon running is gone completely. I certainly hope he gets over it..sooner rather than later. He is also making the strangest decisions putting us at a terrible field position. If his shoulder is still bothering him - he needs to sit out until it is healed completely cuz he sure isn't doing us any good this way.

Specnatz
10-31-2007, 12:43 PM
I don't know how anyone, in good faith, can make that statement. Who thought we would make or come close to making the playoffs before the season started? I don't know if this was the year the Texans were SUPPOSED to do anything other than rebuild and solidify.

I would say that their inability to rebuild and solidify has been the greatest disappointment, not their record. While their record is indicative of a number of issues, the frustration and disappointment goes beyond just that.

There are a great deal of intangibles that are starting to wear on me, starting with Kubiak's endorsement each week of some of the teams weaknesses. He's starting to lose credibility with me when he trots out how Mario is playing good, how the Oline is playing good...while I realize he can't through his players under the bus, this is too much. It's on the verge of pandering, and it surely isn't true. Texans fans, we ain't stupid, and we need an organization that will realize that and hire folks who are straight shooters and full of fire.

During preseason and the off season a lot of people thought the team did solidfy certain positions, including the O-Line (by getting rid of ykw), including myself from what I saw. I have to admit I did not think the entire line could and would look like crap when McKinny going down but that is exactly what has happened. 5 years of bad contracts, poor drafting and signing of players who did not fit a system but were being made to fit a sytem can not be fixed over night it takes time so I am not sure what you mean by solidfy. The Texans have found WR besides AJ which was not the case in previous years.

LB, Clark has looked good at times and bad at times but still an upgrade over what was there. Bennett has shown promise and looks like he should be at the very least a nickle for years to come. If he continues to improve he shold be starting by next year. So that is building or I should say fixing what has been screwed up.


Aren't NFL teams supposed to have trainers and folks that work on conditioning? Or are all our injuries contact injuries?

I ask, because I don't know.

90% of the injuries are contact injuries, Echimandu (whatever) is a hammy which is not contact. I said 90% but he is the only one I can think of that is not contact related.

infantrycak
10-31-2007, 12:58 PM
90% of the injuries are contact injuries, Echimandu (whatever) is a hammy which is not contact. I said 90% but he is the only one I can think of that is not contact related.

They are now describing Echimandu's injury as a deep contusion--that sounds like contact.

ATXtexanfan
10-31-2007, 01:01 PM
i really really can't stand people like you. Tanking games already and we aren't even at our bye? Jeez.

i'm not talking about tanking games, i just don't see us winning another game. the amount of injuries we've suffered is down right sickening. who are we starting at rb and qb this week? yeah we beat oakland last year but they did everything they could to give us that win. tanking is down right stupid and not what i was saying.

Specnatz
10-31-2007, 01:53 PM
They are now describing Echimandu's injury as a deep contusion--that sounds like contact.

Yeah I read that after I posted that. So now I can not think of a single one that is not contact related, can you?

infantrycak
10-31-2007, 01:59 PM
Yeah I read that after I posted that. So now I can not think of a single one that is not contact related, can you?

I didn't see how Daniels tweaked his ankle, but regardless I can't think of a single injury I would considered caused by a lack of conditioning. Every year some fan brings this up but Dan Riley is considered one of the best in the league. Salaam gives him credit for revitalizing his career with a regime specific to him such that he is in better shape here than when he was on the Jaguars.

Vinny
10-31-2007, 02:05 PM
Aren't NFL teams supposed to have trainers and folks that work on conditioning? Or are all our injuries contact injuries?

I ask, because I don't know.we are a bit low on talent...have you ever been in a fight with a superior athlete or to keep it "football", have you ever played football against teams with more talent than you? The teams with the better talent or superior athletes tend to get hurt less and have fewer injuries since this is a game of physical punishment. Random stuff happens to every team but the more physical teams tend to dish out more punishment and get hurt less while less physical teams tend to take the brunt of the blows...I don't perceive us as all that physical.

hollywood_texan
10-31-2007, 02:31 PM
If the Texans lose to Oakland and get their butts handed to them again, Kubiak is pretty much done unless a miracle happens. Just my opinion.

I thought this team was different and improving, but it's really the same thing from Capers in year 4.

I have a lost a lot of faith in Kubiak the last few weeks. I didn't expect the Texans to make the playoffs this year, but I did expect some serious steps to be a legit team that can play every Sunday. I understand Kubiak is in a tough position with injuries and the personnel he inherited, but I don't get the sense he is the real answer because his play calling is suspect with no imagination and poor clock management. Not to mention, Kubiak/Smith haven't really improved the personnel in 2 years!

There are the same problems except for the QB position. That is only if Schaub can stay healthy and no one really seems to mind that teams are killing our QB gladly and knocking him out of the game and only getting a penatly. The Texans better start sticking up for the QB. Either do it on the field or make sure it gets handled through league channels. Either way, TAKE CARE OF IT ASAP!!!

Bottom line, I don't see how giving Kubiak 2 years or more is going make things better to produce a winning team. I understand you gotta hang in there regardless, but this doesn't look good.

We'll see what happens the rest of the season and this game isn't the be all end all, but things are spiralling out of control fast with this game potentially being the watershed. Hence, the point of this thread and the discussion.

After going to the San Diego game, at the end of the 1st quarter I checked out mentally. From here on out, I really don't care what the Texans do unless they don't allow tailgating and Reliant becomes a cess pool.

I don't see either one happening, so I will pay for my season tickets and go to a few games not really caring what the Texans do on the field because there really is not a point with them.

Going to Reliant and tailgating is still a lot of fun when you have zero expectation of the Texans! Hence forth, I am not spending one more dime on this team directly with the exception of season tickets and very minimal concessions while at the game.