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SESupergenius
11-16-2004, 12:28 AM
Thats 2 games now that we are held to 14 points or less. There seems to be a lack of fire in the game planning and very vanilla offense. Has anyone noticed a lack of motioning in this offense?

blockhead83
11-16-2004, 12:31 AM
I agree there's been a lack of apparent ingenuity on offense; but on the other hand I don't blame them, why make things more complicated when the offense can't even execute vanilla.

Diehardtexan
11-16-2004, 09:53 AM
I think the biggest problem is executions, Carr has been timid...maybe he has been hit to many times. He has been losing the ball as soon as he was touched. The INTs that he threw, he was pulling his arm back really quick to protect himself before he was hit and he was really throwing side armed.He had no follow through on his throws. I sense that he has fear of being hit. If that's the case then we are in big trouble. That's exactly what happened to David Klingler in Cincinnati.

TheOgre
11-16-2004, 09:58 AM
We have no running game. If you pass all day long, that puts extra pressure on a line built to run block. That is a key reason that Carr has been sacked so much. I think we need to recommit to the run and utilize the play action pass. That is how the team was built.

kuno
11-16-2004, 01:40 PM
Until the Texans can run the ball, stuff like this can continue. Hopefully these games will make the OC commit to getting better at the run and then work in play action.

TexansTrueFan
11-16-2004, 01:47 PM
ok ok i'm confused but i think us not beign able to run the ball has a lot to do with the O line the dont create holes, sounds like yall are blaming our RBs ! We just need to sign some good O-line Veteran free agents in the off-season draft some high draft pick o-line man so they can have time to learn, get a lil play time here and there !

beerlover
11-16-2004, 01:53 PM
did anyone else notice when we played Denver just how far back in the pocket Jake dropped? I mean it must of been a good 15 yards & he got back there quick, this seemed to create a huge pocket for his offensive lineman plus opened up alot of underneath routes. I'm wondering why Carr and the Texans don't try this? Carr has similar speed and even a better arm I think it would help because right now he can't stand in the "traditional 7 step pocket". This would also help the running game get started opening up inside lanes, creating spacing and force the linebackers to respect the run.

nunusguy
11-16-2004, 04:38 PM
I think the only solidifying factor for that O-line is the crowd. Home games energize the line. They make less mistake overall.
The roar of home game crowds does energize and pick-up teams, especially
the mediorce and inferior teams. Its a crutch, a drug they feed on for their
strength and security. The really good teams don't need it. They have the skill, confidence, and composure to compete at a high level and even excel in the firestorm of a hostile playing field.

NoBullTexan
11-16-2004, 04:45 PM
I dasagree that it is all Carr's or the O-lines fault. What went wrong with the run blocking that was freeing DD for those big runs? How about the beautiful passing attack that was beginning to show itself? No it is no more the execution than it is the same damed old game planning, or lack or same, game after game. Other teams are adjusting to our moves. We Are Not adjusting in turn, to theirs. I blame the coaches for an inept game planning effort. :hmmm:

SESupergenius
11-16-2004, 05:11 PM
I'd have to say it was everyones fault NoBull. I mean, even Kris Brown was in on the act by missing a FG. I looked at the 1st few possession and they were just rushing 4 guys and laying back the other 7 and we still had no time to go through our progressions. That is just plain sad. All they had to do was rush 4! We had to keep in 6 or 7 and we still got pressured. No excuse for that.

infantrycak
11-16-2004, 05:53 PM
I dasagree that it is all Carr's or the O-lines fault. What went wrong with the run blocking that was freeing DD for those big runs?

What big runs?--his long before this game was 10 yds. If you mean last year what has changed is two new OL, one in a new position and a new scheme for the whole line. I expect they will improve with time, but so far with the exception of the Oakland game (and that still wasn't that good) the rush blocking has sucked.

How about the beautiful passing attack that was beginning to show itself? No it is no more the execution than it is the same damed old game planning, or lack or same, game after game. Other teams are adjusting to our moves. We Are Not adjusting in turn, to theirs. I blame the coaches for an inept game planning effort. :hmmm:

Well Carr definitely didn't look as accurate these last two games and the players have been dropping balls. Those are execution. Not sure why we haven't had the TE's, Gaffney and Armstrong attacking the slot more. But, it seems like everyone looks at the lack of completions there and decides it is the scheme. There are people running those routes though so it may be the scheme not giving those routes a high enough priority or it could be Carr taking other options 1st so we don't truly know.

shinerbock_girl
11-16-2004, 05:54 PM
GEEZZZ, they had a better chance going for 1st down and making it then brown making that 55 YD field goal...i couldn't believe they even tried..... :shocked

rhc564
11-16-2004, 07:09 PM
Bellichek said it correctly when he said his team--coaches and players--
focus on one game at a time. His coordinators are charged with coming
up with a game plan that will best use the skills of the players to do what
needs to be done to be in a posisition to win that game. Too, if necessary,
and things aren't working-- changes are expected to be made.

Texans game planning is horrible. I think Palmer's game planning for the
Indy game was to play 'keep away,' win the time of possession game.
He did not want to get in a shoot out with Indy. His thinking, though
incorrect, was that if the Colts had the ball less, they would score less.
It is evident that very little thinking and planning went into just how the
Texans would score, which is the primary function of the OC...let the DC
worry about the other teams scoring...and, yes, the Texans won the time
of possession game by a wide margin. Do we get any thing for that? Fans
don't, maybe Palmer does... :dontknowa

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
11-16-2004, 08:37 PM
The Texans started believing all the hype and let it get to their heads. I expect to see a much better performance from them on Sunday night after being embarassed the past 2 weeks. Hopefully they all pulled their heads out of their collective asses.

aj.
11-16-2004, 09:26 PM
His thinking, though incorrect, was that if the Colts had the ball less, they would score less.
A game plan to limit their TOP was right on the money. That's exactly what you want to do. But there's things you don't plan on -- like giving up 5 TDs in less than 3 minutes.

A reminder on how the Colts scored 5 of their 7 TDs:

Drive #5: 2 plays, 29 yards - TD - time elapsed 0:14
Drive #7: 2 plays, 72 yards - TD - time elapsed 0:59
Drive #9: 2 plays, 80 yards - TD - time elapsed 0:53
Sanders Fumble Return - TD
Hutchins Interception Return - TD

That's 5 TD's allowed -- 35 points --- that took less than 3 minutes off the clock. Three of those TDs were allowed in 6 plays by a terrible defense -- even though 2 of those drives started in advantageous field position for the Texans. The other 2 were TDs given up on returns on turnovers (while passing).

Blaming the Indy meltdown on "Palmer's" game plan is about as misdirected as you can get. This was a total collapse -- offense, defense, special teams, and coaching for not making the necessary adjustments (like at Denver) to stop the bleeding in the 2nd quarter. It had nothing to do with the game plan to play keep away (at least those 5 TDs didn't).

rhc564
11-16-2004, 09:57 PM
---exactly, right, the Colts are a quick score offense!!! That is why playing
keep away means nothing to them! To beat the Colts, you've got to score
more points than them like every other team has tried to do, except the
Texans. Palmer's game plan did not address this...nothing wrong with
the game plan!!!??? idonno:

aj.
11-16-2004, 10:18 PM
Palmer's game plan did not address this..Yeah, let's blame Palmer because he didn't game plan to score 6 TDs in less than 3 minutes just to stay ahead. The offense sucked but so did everything else.

Texan Gal 312
11-16-2004, 11:01 PM
Yeah, let's blame Palmer because he didn't game plan to score 6 TDs in less than 3 minutes just to stay ahead. The offense sucked but so did everything else.

Good Luck AJ, you will need it on this one :) Maybe you could explain to me how everyone seems to think they know what the offensive game plan is without watching true game tape. There is no way to tell what is going on in the pass pattern without being able to see down field. That is my favorite coach potato call - throw it downfield to Andre, who cares how many are covering him.

Just a note to you and Vinny to say I certainly appreciate your time posting you comments here.

infantrycak
11-16-2004, 11:04 PM
To beat the Colts, you've got to score
more points than them like every other team has tried to do, except the
Texans.

Of course you have to score more points--that would be the definition of winning. But that doesn't tell you how to do it. Look back at what the coach of the then most prolific offense said--Tice and the pre-game analysts agreed the Vikings needed to run the ball to control the clock and that the best defense against Manning and the Colts was keeping the Colts' offense off the field. Sound familiar? When was the last time you heard an NFL coach say they needed to control a more powerful offense by slinging the ball around to out-gun the other team?

Texan Gal 312
11-16-2004, 11:14 PM
I dasagree that it is all Carr's or the O-lines fault. What went wrong with the run blocking that was freeing DD for those big runs? How about the beautiful passing attack that was beginning to show itself? No it is no more the execution than it is the same damed old game planning, or lack or same, game after game. Other teams are adjusting to our moves. We Are Not adjusting in turn, to theirs. I blame the coaches for an inept game planning effort. :hmmm:

Keep it up NO BULL after all it did work marveously on Mack Brown. I kept looking for my post this week but I guess they had to come around on their own :whew

aj.
11-17-2004, 07:04 AM
Originally Posted by rhc564
To beat the Colts, you've got to score
more points than them like every other team has tried to do, except the
Texans. -----\

Of course you have to score more points--that would be the definition of winning. But that doesn't tell you how to do it. Look back at what the coach of the then most prolific offense said--Tice and the pre-game analysts agreed the Vikings needed to run the ball to control the clock and that the best defense against Manning and the Colts was keeping the Colts' offense off the field. Sound familiar? When was the last time you heard an NFL coach say they needed to control a more powerful offense by slinging the ball around to out-gun the other team?

Go back and look at how the Jags beat the Colts a few weeks ago. That's how you do it, and I'm sure that was the "game plan" the Texans had in place last week. But that was last week...