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ubecool454
10-28-2007, 05:09 PM
I think its about time the texans start getting some more players with a attitude like Travis Johnson. I don't want street thugs but some thugs on the field. We don't put fear in anyone, dunta tries but he is a 180lb db. I need to see the texans get some penalties for roughing up a qb like ours get roughed up. Why can't we do like in baseball...a pitcher hits our player, we retaliate. This team has no violence in it at all. I can't give up on them but If we are ever going to win, we have to take chances and take some of those guys with low character. I would do anything right now to take a chance on pacman jones....Tank johnson. The patriots have high character...lol? Rodney harrison cheats..hell the whole organization got caught cheating. If you aren't cheating you ain't trying. Mr McNair and coach kubiak...we can probably get pacman real cheap right about now.:gun:

TexansSeminole
10-28-2007, 05:10 PM
I think its about time the texans start getting some more players with a attitude like Travis Johnson. I don't want street thugs but some thugs on the field. We don't put fear in anyone, dunta tries but he is a 180lb db. I need to see the texans get some penalties for roughing up a qb like ours get roughed up. Why can't we do like in baseball...a pitcher hits our player, we retaliate. This team has no violence in it at all. I can't give up on them but If we are ever going to win, we have to take chances and take some of those guys with low character. I would do anything right now to take a chance on pacman jones....Tank johnson. The patriots have high character...lol? Rodney harrison cheats..hell the whole organization got caught cheating. If you aren't cheating you ain't trying. Mr McNair and coach kubiak...we can probably get pacman real cheap right about now.:gun:

Maybe we can find another Med student to run the rock for us.

Ole Miss Texan
10-28-2007, 05:12 PM
Yes more Pacmans and Haysworths will make this team a better franchise.:thumbdown

brakos82
10-28-2007, 05:19 PM
Yes more Pacmans and Haysworths will make this team a better franchise.:thumbdown

Pacman! doo-doo-doo-doo doo-doo-doo-doo PACMAN!

TexansFight
10-28-2007, 05:20 PM
I LOVED Mark Richt telling his guys that they would be running sprints if they did NOT GET A CELEBRATION PENALTY on their first TD. He got his team FIRED UP to kick ass and to finally beat Florida. Sometimes you need to punch a guy in the mouth to get your team up. Glanville and Bum knew this and that is why we became good under them. Please let's find someone with their spirit to take over this team. McNair is too corporate and cares too much about whether a guy is f'in religious than if they know how to win football games.

TexansFight
10-28-2007, 05:21 PM
Pacman would have a place on my football team. The dude can play. As long as he didn't disrupt the team he would be on my team.

TexansSeminole
10-28-2007, 05:22 PM
I LOVED Mark Richt telling his guys that they would be running sprints if they did NOT GET A CELEBRATION PENALTY on their first TD. He got his team FIRED UP to kick ass and to finally beat Florida. Sometimes you need to punch a guy in the mouth to get your team up. Glanville and Bum knew this and that is why we became good under them. Please let's find someone with their spirit to take over this team. McNair is too corporate and cares too much about whether a guy is f'in religious than if they know how to win football games.

Mark Richt is a great coach though. And has been for a good while. I also agree that was a smart move.

Ole Miss Texan
10-28-2007, 05:22 PM
Maybe we can find another Med student to run the rock for us.

Pacman! doo-doo-doo-doo doo-doo-doo-doo PACMAN!

hahaha yall are making this day better for me. This game sucks. and yes...we probably should send some scouts to Baylor College of Medicine!

Leahmic223
10-28-2007, 05:55 PM
Yes more Pacmans and Haysworths will make this team a better franchise.:thumbdown


Well the Titans are 5-2, if we had a chance to get Pacman who cares we need all the help we can get.

Our QB got his head torn off and NO ONE did anything about it.

Ole Miss Texan
10-28-2007, 05:58 PM
Our QB got his head torn off and NO ONE did anything about it.

That's what concerns me. We don't have to have 'low' character guys to have their QB's back. I wish our entire OL went up to Florence and swarmed him. The only problem is all our guys were looking for Cromartie and probably didn't see Schaub get hit and didn't realize it until it was too late.

Ole Miss Texan
10-28-2007, 06:00 PM
Well the Titans are 5-2, if we had a chance to get Pacman who cares we need all the help we can get.


Okay but how much has pacman helped them get to 5-2? Not much considering he's been suspended. Plus, I don't think there are enough strip clubs in Houston for him...which actually could be good for us :)

Wolf
10-28-2007, 06:01 PM
i don't know, Cincy has drafted low character guys and we see where that has got them this season

ubecool454
10-28-2007, 06:01 PM
Well the Titans are 5-2, if we had a chance to get Pacman who cares we need all the help we can get.

Our QB got his head torn off and NO ONE did anything about it.

I Don't remember the coach going of about it either! Draft SEC players with a rap sheet. Anything to get a mean streak in this team. Attitude...its to hard to win football games when you have scared players. We need more Travis Johnsons, Cris Dishmans, Blaine Bishops and even Albert Haynesworths on this team. We should have the money to shop for these all or nothing type players.

Wolf
10-28-2007, 06:01 PM
Okay but how much has pacman helped them get to 5-2? Not much considering he's been suspended. Plus, I don't think there are enough strip clubs in Houston for him...which actually could be good for us :)

I was impressed with Michael Griffin last week, he seemed to be all over the place

Texans_Chick
10-28-2007, 06:26 PM
Pittman once had a DWI arrest. Didn't help him with the snap on the punt today.

Richard Smith and Jon Hoke like to cuss and yell at players. Doesn't help them teach their players how to provide safety help.

Weird game. Weird season.

CLTEXAN_FAN
10-28-2007, 06:45 PM
I never thought I would be saying this, but I am completely jealous of the Cowboys right now and Jerry Jones, Jerry doesnt care who he gets or their track record. He just wants to win, and win he does.

Look how well the TO deal is paying off right now. it is time to stop going after the safe "strong veterans" and "good leaders/ role models/ teachers" and get someone that will stir the pot and not accept losing.

As much as I dislike TO and Jerry Jones, they do not accept losing.

Please forgive me my fellow texan fans for giving the girls props. It has to be the emotions typing.

TexansSeminole
10-28-2007, 06:49 PM
I never thought I would be saying this, but I am completely jealous of the Cowboys right now and Jerry Jones, Jerry doesnt care who he gets or their track record. He just wants to win, and win he does.

Look how well the TO deal is paying off right now. it is time to stop going after the safe "strong veterans" and "good leaders/ role models/ teachers" and get someone that will stir the pot and not accept losing.

As much as I dislike TO and Jerry Jones, they do not accept losing.

Please forgive me my fellow texan fans for giving the girls props. It has to be the emotions typing.

I don't ever want to hear that we picked up a player to "teach these young guys how to prepare" again. As far as I am concerned we don't have enough young guys that are worth teaching. Get some players that actually benefit the team, not players who are brought in to do the job of the coaches.

DerekLee1
10-28-2007, 06:51 PM
I don't want thugs on my team, but I sure as crap would've liked to have seen my guys get ALL OVER that arsehole Florence that laid that cheap shot on Schaub. That dude needs a suspension, not just a fine. And if I was Kubiak, I'd be grabbing my linemen saying, "why the f didn't you have our guy's back?" If there's EVER a time to get an unsportsmanlike penalty, that was it. And we STILL would've gotten the 15 yards, as there were TWO unsportsmanlike penalties by the Chargers. One would have been offset.

Leahmic223
10-28-2007, 06:54 PM
I remember hearing Ditka today saying "I was afraid to make a mistake when playing for my coach"

How many guys are afraid to make a mistake on this team?

I mean knowing that Faggins has made tons, yet still gets the nod. And this is across the board for our whole team. You can go out there and play horrible, and go out the next week and play worse...and still get the nod for snaps.

I just wonder how many guys are afraid of losing PT and their jobs for screwing up week after week.

TexansSeminole
10-28-2007, 06:56 PM
I remember hearing Ditka today saying "I was afraid to make a mistake when playing for my coach"

How many guys are afraid to make a mistake on this team?

I mean knowing that Faggins has made tons, yet still gets the nod. And this is across the board for our whole team. You can go out there and play horrible, and go out the next week and play worse...and still get the nod for snaps.

I just wonder how many guys are afraid of losing PT and their jobs for screwing up week after week.

That's a good point. Rep.

Ole Miss Texan
10-28-2007, 07:08 PM
Weary's been tasered....I don't know it's something...

And I think Schaub got in trouble in college for public urination....I could just be thinking of Eli but ..hey..

The Dream
10-28-2007, 07:12 PM
i don't know, Cincy has drafted low character guys and we see where that has got them this season

I don't think we're asking for low character...just guys with a little bit of fire underneath them....

The1ApplePie
10-28-2007, 07:19 PM
I don't want thugs on my team, but I sure as crap would've liked to have seen my guys get ALL OVER that arsehole Florence that laid that cheap shot on Schaub. That dude needs a suspension, not just a fine. And if I was Kubiak, I'd be grabbing my linemen saying, "why the f didn't you have our guy's back?" If there's EVER a time to get an unsportsmanlike penalty, that was it. And we STILL would've gotten the 15 yards, as there were TWO unsportsmanlike penalties by the Chargers. One would have been offset.

Kubiak probably got after Schaub for being a jack ass that just sat there after he got picked off. There is no better way to get your bell rung on a football field than standing still.

Any football player in Florence's situation would make that hit in a heart beat if they were worth a ****.

Leahmic223
10-28-2007, 07:21 PM
Kubiak probably got after Schaub for being a jack ass that just sat there after he got picked off. There is no better way to get your bell rung on a football field than standing still.

Any football player in Florence's situation would make that hit in a heart beat if they were worth a ****.

Oh yeah, helmet to helmet and everything.

The1ApplePie
10-28-2007, 07:27 PM
Oh yeah, helmet to helmet and everything.

Yep

If Schaub was a LT or Guard, he would get cracked in the skull and their wouldn't be a flag.

TexansSeminole
10-28-2007, 07:31 PM
Yep

If Schaub was a LT or Guard, he would get cracked in the skull and there wouldn't be a flag.

The reason people are arguing with you is because there is a flag for using helmet to helmet contact against the QB.

It is well known to not do it or get a penalty. The fact that he wasn't is rediculous. I'm not sure it warrants an ejection but a flag for sure.

Runner
10-28-2007, 07:34 PM
The reason people are arguing with you is because there is a flag for using helmet to helmet contact against the QB.


That and the fact that is specifically against the rules to go after a QB that is not part of the play after a turnover. Most players wouldn't have done it.

Leahmic223
10-28-2007, 07:35 PM
Yep

If Schaub was a LT or Guard, he would get cracked in the skull and their wouldn't be a flag.

Helmet to Helmet tackles on any position is not allowed.

TexansSeminole
10-28-2007, 07:37 PM
That and the fact that is specifically against the rules to go after a QB that is not part of the play after a turnover. Most players wouldn't have done it.

"You must spread som...blah blah blah"

The1ApplePie
10-28-2007, 07:37 PM
Helmet to Helmet tackles on any position is not allowed.

But blocks are

I'm pretty sure Schaub got Ear Hole'd

TexansSeminole
10-28-2007, 07:42 PM
But blocks are

I'm pretty sure Schaub got Ear Hole'd

Dude waited for Schaub to turn around and popped him in the facemask.

inschaubwetrust
10-28-2007, 08:22 PM
I don't know about negative attitudes, necessarily. However, our team doesn't have any heart in it at the moment. We need to be giving people hell.

StarStruck
10-28-2007, 09:22 PM
I never thought I would be saying this, but I am completely jealous of the Cowboys right now and Jerry Jones, Jerry doesnt care who he gets or their track record. He just wants to win, and win he does.

Please forgive me my fellow texan fans for giving the girls props. It has to be the emotions typing.

I appreciate the props, but Jerry does care who he gets, otherwise Moss would be a Cowboy. Also, Quincy Carter was cut abruptly when it appeared he was the best option at the time for QB. TO was more of a malcontent given his high standards for putting forth the best efforts to win. He does not possess thug status.

CLTEXAN_FAN
10-29-2007, 01:56 AM
I appreciate the props, but Jerry does care who he gets, otherwise Moss would be a Cowboy. Also, Quincy Carter was cut abruptly when it appeared he was the best option at the time for QB. TO was more of a malcontent given his high standards for putting forth the best efforts to win. He does not possess thug status.


So there were NO "thugs" on the team in the 90's. Do you really think if Quincy was a great or even good QB he would have been kicked off the team. If that were the case the dynasty in the 90's would never have been.
i.e. Michael Irvin, Leon Lett, Eric Williams, Nate Newton. all loved the crack, but they were great. Quincy was not.

The reason Moss isnt on the team is because they already have TO. I dont think the two could co exist.

But I still give him props. He brings in guys who want to win. Like Deion Sanders, and Keyshawn Johnson. They both had big heads and backgrounds. He's not scared.

Now with that being said I still hate the Cowboys.

BigBull17
10-29-2007, 07:30 AM
Pacman would have a place on my football team. The dude can play. As long as he didn't disrupt the team he would be on my team.

Sitting on the couch watching you lose? I dont want bums like that on my team. The Colts can win with out having a holding cell in their stadium, we dont need to recruit the Bloods. Stow that BS right now. The way to win isnt the guys with criminal records. Look at Cinci, they arent setting the world on fire. Drafting guys with charecter issues isnt the way to make a good dependable team, its looking for the guys who can play. Not the work-out warriors, the luch pail guys who just play football.

StarStruck
10-29-2007, 10:32 AM
So there were NO "thugs" on the team in the 90's. Do you really think if Quincy was a great or even good QB he would have been kicked off the team. If that were the case the dynasty in the 90's would never have been.
i.e. Michael Irvin, Leon Lett, Eric Williams, Nate Newton. all loved the crack, but they were great. Quincy was not.

The reason Moss isnt on the team is because they already have TO. I dont think the two could co exist.

But I still give him props. He brings in guys who want to win. Like Deion Sanders, and Keyshawn Johnson. They both had big heads and backgrounds. He's not scared.

Now with that being said I still hate the Cowboys.

I wasn't referring to the 90's given that in most opinions you can't mention the criminal behavior without mentioning the Super Bowls, which in most opposing fans opinion, is history that has no value in the 21st Century.

I think that Quincy could have been an above average quarterback if he would have worked the system, improved his attitude, and taken advantage of the drug treatment program that could have given him the chance to remain as the quarterback on the team or at worst, a solid backup for another team. Either case, his future would have been a heck of a lot brighter.

I did, however, mention Moss because the Cowboys passed on him during the draft due to some blemishes on his character during college. Thus, he ended up in Minnesota under Dennis Green.

OBTW, hating the Cowboys is ok with me. At least we manage to stir some type of emotion, even if it's hate.:)

Battle Red Flash
10-29-2007, 01:27 PM
Agreed.

Specnatz
10-29-2007, 01:38 PM
I guess the Colts have a lot of bad character guys.

Manning, Harrison, Wayne and the list goes on about low charcater guys on the Colts, it is why they win.

HoustonFrog
10-29-2007, 01:42 PM
I get the point of the post and I think it has been misinterpreted. You don't need low character guys, you needs guys with an angry fire and desire to win. See Dunta, see DeMeco. Alot of these guys are just soft. No one seems out there hitting with attitude or wanting to plant the opponent into the dirt. You can be a Jack Lambert and not get arrested. We just need guys with a little anger in their game. We possess a softness.

Porky
10-29-2007, 01:52 PM
We don't need thugs like Pacman to be a good team, but we do need a couple of guys that have an edge or attitude about them, are nasty as hell on the field, and take no quarter. Someone who is tough, and would punch someone in the mouth if our QB was taken out like that.

hollywood_texan
10-29-2007, 01:53 PM
Pittman once had a DWI arrest. Didn't help him with the snap on the punt today.

Richard Smith and Jon Hoke like to cuss and yell at players. Doesn't help them teach their players how to provide safety help.

Weird game. Weird season.

Logically, your point is valid. However, it not necessarily applicable to the Texans.

I said this earlier in another thread, the biggest problem the Texans have is Bob McNair.

The problem is real simple, prospective coaches, players, and front office personnel are excluded due to a certain image that McNair is trying to develop.

Unfortunately, that image development works completely independent of what happens on the field. Great image/look has nothing to do what happens on Sunday when the game is played.

Point is, the Texans should be taking a coach, player, or front office guy that gives the best chance to win. What they do in their personal time is their own business unless they are committing felonies. What happens with consenting adults is none of my business.

TC, I agree with you that taking character issues just to do it isn't going to amount to much. But, that's not the problem the Texans are facing. The problem is certain guys that should be considered are not because of so-called character issues and/or image requirements. And it's not just on the player side that this is happening.

Therefore, the biggest problem the Texans have is how McNair has run his Franchise. Kubiak is another shade of Capers in outward appearance. Look at Schaub compared to Carr, very different player on the field but I am seeing some striking similarities when I take into account an image requirement.

Second Honeymoon
10-29-2007, 02:59 PM
I think its about time the texans start getting some more players with a attitude like Travis Johnson. I don't want street thugs but some thugs on the field. We don't put fear in anyone, dunta tries but he is a 180lb db. I need to see the texans get some penalties for roughing up a qb like ours get roughed up. Why can't we do like in baseball...a pitcher hits our player, we retaliate. This team has no violence in it at all. I can't give up on them but If we are ever going to win, we have to take chances and take some of those guys with low character. I would do anything right now to take a chance on pacman jones....Tank johnson. The patriots have high character...lol? Rodney harrison cheats..hell the whole organization got caught cheating. If you aren't cheating you ain't trying. Mr McNair and coach kubiak...we can probably get pacman real cheap right about now.:gun:

The fact that none of our defensive players took a roughing the passer penalty after what happened to Schaub was bush league and is a representation of the mindset of the coaching. this is a dog-eat-dog game and just like baseball, you have to protect your players ESPECIALLY YOUR FREAKING FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK!!

Kubiak/Smith should have been like 'if one of you doesn't get a roughing the passer penalty this drive, then start looking for a new line of work'. They didn't even go after the guy. Just pathetic lame Care Bear NFL football. You gotta stand up for your guys and if its a blowout and they are taking cheap shots you reciprocate and make their sorry arses pay. Oh man, this team has no heart.....GROW A PAIR, TEXANS!!!

TexansSeminole
10-29-2007, 03:02 PM
The fact that none of our defensive players took a roughing the passer penalty after what happened to Schaub was bush league and is a representation of the mindset of the coaching. this is a dog-eat-dog game and just like baseball, you have to protect your players ESPECIALLY YOUR FREAKING FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK!!

Kubiak/Smith should have been like 'if one of you doesn't get a roughing the passer penalty this drive, then start looking for a new line of work'. They didn't even go after the guy. Just pathetic lame Care Bear NFL football. You gotta stand up for your guys and if its a blowout and they are taking cheap shots you reciprocate and make their sorry arses pay. Oh man, this team has no heart.....GROW A PAIR, TEXANS!!!

I agree, this was probably what made me the most mad about the game. We are getting our asses kicked and our FRANCHISE QB is smacked down in a way that is supposed to be illegal. Obvious cheap shot. The fact that nobody did anything is straight soft. I wouldn't have been at all suprised if one of our players had come off the sideline and really started some ****...or even if our defense took a couple late hits in a row on Rivers. But the fact that nobody did anything...just sad and shows that alot of our staff and players need to be gone by 2008.

Second Honeymoon
10-29-2007, 03:05 PM
I agree, this was probably what made me the most mad about the game. We are getting our asses kicked and our FRANCHISE QB is smacked down in a way that is supposed to be illegal. Obvious cheap shot. The fact that nobody did anything is straight soft. I wouldn't have been at all suprised if one of our players had come off the sideline and really started some ****...or even if our defense took a couple late hits in a row on Rivers. But the fact that nobody did anything...just sad and shows that alot of our staff and players need to be gone by 2008.

it was straight up pathetic. me and my brother were just talking about this today. just a pathetic 'team' in every sense of the word....no one has each other's back and people are content with being the other team's little *****.

powerfuldragon
10-29-2007, 03:15 PM
what we need on the texans (especially the oline and dline) are convicted felons. sack shaub, find a shiv/sharpened spoon broken off between your ribs.

great idea, i second it.

Vinny
10-29-2007, 03:20 PM
I agree, this was probably what made me the most mad about the game. We are getting our asses kicked and our FRANCHISE QB is smacked down in a way that is supposed to be illegal. Obvious cheap shot. The fact that nobody did anything is straight soft. I wouldn't have been at all suprised if one of our players had come off the sideline and really started some ****...or even if our defense took a couple late hits in a row on Rivers. But the fact that nobody did anything...just sad and shows that alot of our staff and players need to be gone by 2008.
remember, we take more guys off the draft board than any team in the league. We don't want meanies.

nunusguy
10-29-2007, 03:28 PM
remember, we take more guys off the draft board than any team in the league. We don't want meanies.
And we want perfect gentlemen which is what we got when their QB got his chops busted yesterday. None of those proper young men
lost their demeanor and did something mean like went after some payback. They behaved, well as young gentleman.

Texan_Bill
10-29-2007, 03:31 PM
I can think of a whole lot of guys that were full of good character and integrity, but God help you if you got in their way on the grid iron... i.e. Earl and Sweetness, Al Smith, Childress, Bubba McDowell etc. etc..

Second Honeymoon
10-29-2007, 03:32 PM
And we want perfect gentlemen which is what we got when their QB got his chops busted yesterday. None of those proper young men
lost their demeanor and did something mean like went after some payback. They behaved, well as young gentleman.

yup and got their arses beat like perfect young gentleman as well. did they at least call the cops and file assault charges. God forbid they would have to fight back and show some pride.

i dont want convicts and thugs on my team, i just want guys that arent afraid to smack someone upside the head and kick a little arse. maybe even play with an edge and killer instinct...God forbid

OT - is Aaron Glenn still available? i know the Pokes cut him but I hadn't heard anything after that. When we had him we used to have a decent defense. He may be old but he can't be any worse than Faggins.

Second Honeymoon
10-29-2007, 03:34 PM
I can think of a whole lot of guys that were full of good character and integrity, but God help you if you got in their way on the grid iron... i.e. Earl and Sweetness, Al Smith, Childress, Bubba McDowell etc. etc..

exactly.....these guys arent running for office they are just playing football.

if the guy can spell S-A-C-K and W-I-N, I am just fine.
Bring on the next Dexter Manley for all I care.(minus the cocaine fetish of course).

Vinny
10-29-2007, 03:35 PM
OT - is Aaron Glenn still available? i know the Pokes cut him but I hadn't heard anything after that. When we had him we used to have a decent defense. He may be old but he can't be any worse than Faggins.He picked off a pass for a TD Sunday. He plays in the Jaguar nickel packages.

Silver Oak
10-29-2007, 03:41 PM
I just can't envision Manning, Brady, or Romo taking a shot like Schaub did yesterday without an enforcer doing his job to retaliate.

Mario should have just steamrolled Rivers after a pass and just taken the penalty and $5,000 fine that would have come. I bet the Chargers would have stood up for their guy.

HoustonFrog
10-29-2007, 03:41 PM
exactly.....these guys arent running for office they are just playing football.

if the guy can spell S-A-C-K and W-I-N, I am just fine.
Bring on the next Dexter Manley for all I care.(minus the cocaine fetish of course).

That's what I said on the last play. You can have Jack Lambert and a host of guys who don't get arrrested but want to kill the opponent.

TexansSeminole
10-29-2007, 03:45 PM
i dont want convicts and thugs on my team, i just want guys that arent afraid to smack someone upside the head and kick a little arse. maybe even play with an edge and killer instinct...God forbid

I was saying this last week and this week it really showed. No killer instinct what so ever. The only time the D seems to get fired up is if Mario makes a play, and it seems like a "good job, you dont suck" congratulations. Also when DeMeco makes a play he seems to fire up Greenwood, but that is about it.

TexansSeminole
10-29-2007, 03:46 PM
Mario should have just steamrolled Rivers after a pass and just taken the penalty and $5,000 fine that would have come. I bet the Chargers would have stood up for their guy.

And if I were Kubiak I would have paid for the fine for Mario.

Second Honeymoon
10-29-2007, 03:53 PM
He picked off a pass for a TD Sunday. He plays in the Jaguar nickel packages.

one of the worst moves our franchise ever made was getting rid of him for freaking PBurnt no less.....who all of a sudden isn't so bad anymore. hmm...coaching, anyone? we have the worst coaching staff in the NFL and I say that with a completely straight face.

Second Honeymoon
10-29-2007, 03:55 PM
I was saying this last week and this week it really showed. No killer instinct what so ever. The only time the D seems to get fired up is if Mario makes a play, and it seems like a "good job, you dont suck" congratulations. Also when DeMeco makes a play he seems to fire up Greenwood, but that is about it.

the 'good job, maybe you don't suck after all' congratulations are always priceless.....mario seems to be the biggest cheerleader in those 'celebrations'.

Vinny
10-29-2007, 03:59 PM
OT - is Aaron Glenn still available? i know the Pokes cut him but I hadn't heard anything after that. When we had him we used to have a decent defense. He may be old but he can't be any worse than Faggins.
He picked off a pass for a TD Sunday. He plays in the Jaguar nickel packages.
one of the worst moves our franchise ever made was getting rid of him for freaking PBurnt no less.....who all of a sudden isn't so bad anymore. hmm...coaching, anyone? we have the worst coaching staff in the NFL and I say that with a completely straight face.http://images.bigcatcountry.com/images/admin/glenncrop.jpgOffensive Player of the Game*: Cornerback Aaron Glenn. Yeah, I'm completely shortchanging a lot of fantastic offensive players. Fred Taylor's 67 yards (only 68 more till he cracks 10,000), Maurice Jones-Drew's excellent play despite a knee injury, our Offensive Line in even attempting to stop the 8 and 9 man fronts that Tampa was throwing their way. All of them are worthy recipients. Even our Wide Receivers made plays.

Nobody made more a more clutch play than Aaron Glenn though, especially when you consider his situation. He was cut from the Cowboys at the start of the season, he had yet to appear in a game, and he was called upon to replace Brian Williams mid week after he strained his hamstring. Then, to top it all off, he makes a great play on the ball after reading Garcia like a cheap novel.

The Pick Six gave the Jaguars a little bit of momentum, even though the Bucs would proceed to march down the field and score. Aaron did a great job in coverage during the rest of the game, filling in for an expensive free agent acquisition and doing his job. I can't say enough for his performance. In fact, I'll let his words do the talking.

(On if he was prepared to go in and start) "I go every week prepared to start, that's what you're supposed to do in this league, that's what a professional is supposed to do. One thing that if my number is called, I'll always be ready to play. It's not a fact that I think it's going to be me to come out there and start, I'm always prepared to start, they just called my number to play this week and I was ready."

Even though he's on the Defense, I'm making him my Offensive Player of the Game!
http://www.bigcatcountry.com/story/2007/10/28/224552/15

Second Honeymoon
10-29-2007, 04:06 PM
http://images.bigcatcountry.com/images/admin/glenncrop.jpg
http://www.bigcatcountry.com/story/2007/10/28/224552/15

signing him after Cowboys unceremoniously cut him from its roster would have been the Texans admitting they were wrong getting rid of him in the first place. I am glad Aaron is doing well and I can't say I am that surprised.

Vinny
10-29-2007, 04:08 PM
signing him after Cowboys unceremoniously cut him from its roster would have been the Texans admitting they were wrong getting rid of him in the first place. I am glad Aaron is doing well and I can't say I am that surprised.He's at the end of his proverbial NFL rope but he would have made a better nickel corner than Faggins, Fletcher or Sanders the last few years...but we cut him since we wanted to go with "youth".

TexansSeminole
10-29-2007, 04:09 PM
signing him after Cowboys unceremoniously cut him from its roster would have been the Texans admitting they were wrong getting rid of him in the first place. I am glad Aaron is doing well and I can't say I am that surprised.

AG has always been a smart football player. IMO it was not hard to see that his football IQ would help him play a few extra years.

Specnatz
10-29-2007, 04:47 PM
He's at the end of his proverbial NFL rope but he would have made a better nickel corner than Faggins, Fletcher or Sanders the last few years...but we cut him since we wanted to go with "youth".

Isn't this the same thing people are wanting now. Put Bennett in no matter what happens, if he gets burned it is ok because he is learning on the job?

Now mind you I am not saying Bennett is not better than faggins, because I think he is getting there.

TexansSeminole
10-29-2007, 04:49 PM
Isn't this the same thing people are wanting now. Put Bennett in no matter what happens, if he gets burned it is ok because he is learning on the job?

I'm not saying I wouldn't be unhappy if he got burned. But I would be a hell of alot less unhappy if he got burned rather than Petey. Plus I would feel like he was learning something as a rookie. Not watching his fellow teammate get Mossed.

hollywood_texan
10-29-2007, 04:49 PM
AG has always been a smart football player. IMO it was not hard to see that his football IQ would help him play a few extra years.

Glenn was cut because of his salary cap hit in relation to his worth to the team.

Very rarely do guys willingly take a pay cut.

Just because a guy with a big contract gets cut doesn't mean he can't produce for that team in a positive way.

With Glenn, it was about money and the salary cap.

Second Honeymoon
10-29-2007, 04:59 PM
Isn't this the same thing people are wanting now. Put Bennett in no matter what happens, if he gets burned it is ok because he is learning on the job?

Now mind you I am not saying Bennett is not better than faggins, because I think he is getting there.

In essence, it is kinda the same thing but there are some big differences still.

Glenn wasn't playing poorly like Faggins is and there wasn't a witchhunt against him like there is against Faggins as the weak link of an underachieving defense.

We had DB prospects behind Glenn but no one was clamoring for them to become a starter over Glenn. If Bennett is better than Faggins, he should play. If he isn't better than Faggins, we should save our draft pick next time and use it on someone who is or just focus on another position. Center maybe? Free Safety.

Then Casserly in his infinite wisdom, he then trades for Pat Buchanan and your kinda left like 'OK? I guess that is good now we will have 3 good CBs which will be valuable against the Manning and McNair in our division.' but then they turn around and get rid of Glenn so we are left with DRob and PBuc. A lateral move at best and it ended up being even worse. PBuc gone and Glenn did well with the Cowboys.

Glenn is the 2nd best DB we have ever had...and they cut him. just sad.

Specnatz
10-29-2007, 05:03 PM
In essence, it is kinda the same thing but there are some big differences still.

Glenn wasn't playing poorly like Faggins is and there wasn't a witchhunt against him like there is against Faggins as the weak link of an underachieving defense.

We had DB prospects behind Glenn but no one was clamoring for them to become a starter over Glenn. If Bennett is better than Faggins, he should play. If he isn't better than Faggins, we should save our draft pick next time and use it on someone who is or just focus on another position. Center maybe? Free Safety.

Then Casserly in his infinite wisdom, he then trades for Pat Buchanan and your kinda left like 'OK? I guess that is good now we will have 3 good CBs which will be valuable against the Manning and McNair in our division.' but then they turn around and get rid of Glenn so we are left with DRob and PBuc. A lateral move at best and it ended up being even worse. PBuc gone and Glenn did well with the Cowboys.

Glenn is the 2nd best DB we have ever had...and they cut him. just sad.

I saw the pick and sorry but it looked like a Sage pic, where he just did not see the defender and it was an easy pic. When he was in dullas he was getting burned a lot lasy year and at the beginning of the year. I mean I have seen burnt toast that looked more appealing.

Now I am not saying when he was here and at the time he was let go that was the case.

hollywood_texan
10-29-2007, 05:15 PM
Glenn is the 2nd best DB we have ever had...and they cut him. just sad.

It was about the salary cap.

Take away that contract, and Glenn probably would still be playing for the Texans. They did not cut Glenn because he couldn't play, they were trying to maintain the salary cap.

Players do not accept paycuts until they get cut! They will take their chances on the open market.

Texan_Bill
10-29-2007, 05:21 PM
exactly.....these guys arent running for office they are just playing football.

if the guy can spell S-A-C-K and W-I-N, I am just fine.
Bring on the next Dexter Manley for all I care.(minus the cocaine fetish of course).

SH... In one sentence you say that "if the guy can spell S-A-C-K and W-I-N, I am just fine". , but then you go onto say, "Bring on the next Dexter Manley for all I care.(minus the cocaine fetish of course)."... The problem with your statement is that Dexter Manly can't spell either SACK or WIN, - or anything for that matter.... :user:


:sarcasm:

BigBull17
10-31-2007, 07:02 PM
The fact that none of our defensive players took a roughing the passer penalty after what happened to Schaub was bush league and is a representation of the mindset of the coaching. this is a dog-eat-dog game and just like baseball, you have to protect your players ESPECIALLY YOUR FREAKING FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK!!

Kubiak/Smith should have been like 'if one of you doesn't get a roughing the passer penalty this drive, then start looking for a new line of work'. They didn't even go after the guy. Just pathetic lame Care Bear NFL football. You gotta stand up for your guys and if its a blowout and they are taking cheap shots you reciprocate and make their sorry arses pay. Oh man, this team has no heart.....GROW A PAIR, TEXANS!!!

Now this I can embrace. No one fears us. I would love it if we had guys hit. The first towo games, we hit like trains. In the following loses, we were pansies. We were pushed around and bullied. I want a hit man who takes no crap. Like Dunta. Not like thugs r us in Cinci.

dtran04
10-31-2007, 07:05 PM
Part of it was also Glenn felt he got demoted because they traded for Buchanon. He didn't want to become a nickel at the time (which ended up happening for him anyways).