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Marcus
10-27-2007, 03:49 AM
People are calling in on talk shows, writing to the newspaper, posting on blogs and message boards, all complaining about Kubiak's "stubbornness" in his playcalling, in that he continues to stick with running the ball, even though it's been unsuccessful so far.

I've heard Kubes state numerous times in his press conferences and interviews, that if he were to abandon the running game and "throw the ball 50 times, I'm going my quarterback hurt." Now, I know there are excuses for everything, but since we all know that the offensive line isn't that good, especially after losing McKinney, my question is that if he sincerely feels that he would put his quarterback in more danger, why is his reason for not giving up on the running game so hard to accept? Seems like a pretty legitimate reason, if you ask me.

Now, I know that Green Bay and Favre, and Philadephia and McNabb, each throw the ball way more than they run, or in other words "throw the ball to set up the run", but they each have much better offensive lines that are capable of handling the pass protection load.

But with this team's offensive line, that's not an option.

Runner
10-27-2007, 05:52 AM
I've heard Kubes state numerous times in his press conferences and interviews, that if he were to abandon the running game and "throw the ball 50 times, I'm going my quarterback hurt."

That is kind of "sound bite-ish", I think. There are ways to set up the run with the pass, or simply pass a lot without just having the QB dropping straight back every play and stand in the pocket (and I use that term loosely with this team) with a target on his chest. He's simply a conservative coach and his style is to run first.

Anyway, the sound bite he used is better than this one: "I've been here two years, and the offense can neither run the ball nor pass it without high risk to the QB's health".

That's what it boils down to, anyway.

BattleRedToro
10-27-2007, 07:43 AM
It seems like a lame excuse from Kubiak, seeing as how Schaub is already hurt despite all of Kubiak's worthless run attempts. All of those run attempts, didn't seem to "protect" Schaub, now did they? Am I to believe that if Kubiak abandoned the run, then Schaub would be hurt worse than he currently is?

gtexan02
10-27-2007, 07:43 AM
That is kind of "sound bite-ish", I think. There are ways to set up the run with the pass, or simply pass a lot without just having the QB dropping straight back every play and stand in the pocket (and I use that term loosely with this team) with a target on his chest. He's simply a conservative coach and his style is to run first.

Anyway, the sound bite he used is better than this one: "I've been here two years, and the offense can neither run the ball nor pass it without high risk to the QB's health".

That's what it boils down to, anyway.

Kind of ironic that you hear him say that now, after all the bologne we've been force fed about how the OL is a strength of the team and isnt a problem and doesnt require first round talent

Second Honeymoon
10-27-2007, 09:15 AM
kubiak is just a bad offensive coordinator and only a slightly better coach. he is better than capers but he lacks the fire and emotion you need in today's NFL. he is a flatliner and is too stooped in the old 'wive's tales' of football. if you can't run the ball, you don't run the ball. it's like beating your head against the wall sometimes with this guy.

maybe the guy will take the job at A&M and get us off the hook. then we can go back up the Brinks truck and hire Cowher. Cowher would bring a pantheon of quality assistants with him as well....and maybe even a few players comes here to play for him. Kubiak brought nothing but trash.

nunusguy
10-27-2007, 09:23 AM
kubiak is just a bad offensive coordinator and only a slightly better coach. he is better than capers but he lacks the fire and emotion you need in today's NFL. he is a flatliner and is too stooped in the old 'wive's tales' of football. if you can't run the ball, you don't run the ball. it's like beating your head against the wall sometimes with this guy.

maybe the guy will take the job at A&M and get us off the hook. then we can go back up the Brinks truck and hire Cowher. Cowher would bring a pantheon of quality assistants with him as well....and maybe even a few players comes here to play for him. Kubiak brought nothing but trash.

Seriously what do you think the chances are of McNair sacking Kubiak at the end of this season if Kubiak has say fewer wins than last year ?
The thing is McNair was patient & predictable with Capers, but he may be in no mood to keep Kubiak around more than 2 years if the record regresses.
I suspect by now Bob McNair is desperate to win, and especially if a HC is available who's got a winning record in the NFL he may surprise us and make a move ?

Second Honeymoon
10-27-2007, 09:34 AM
Seriously what do you think the chances are of McNair sacking Kubiak at the end of this season if Kubiak has say fewer wins than last year ?
The thing is McNair was patient & predictable with Capers, but he may be in no mood to keep Kubiak around more than 2 years if the record regresses.
I suspect by now Bob McNair is desperate to win, and especially if a HC is available who's got a winning record in the NFL he may surprise us and make a move ?


it would be nice. hiring a Slocum protege to be your offensive whiz is probably wishful thinking at best.

pappy
10-27-2007, 10:56 AM
Seriously what do you think the chances are of McNair sacking Kubiak at the end of this season if Kubiak has say fewer wins than last year ?
The thing is McNair was patient & predictable with Capers, but he may be in no mood to keep Kubiak around more than 2 years if the record regresses.
I suspect by now Bob McNair is desperate to win, and especially if a HC is available who's got a winning record in the NFL he may surprise us and make a move ?

I do believe that kubiak and sherman are pushing the short yardage passes to in effect replace the run game . This is clearly upsetting schaub to the point that he is strong arming passes like that and deliberately failing to be successful . This head butting is what is the biggest downfall of the texans so far this season that coupled with the fact that the coaches are clearly pushing there scheme instead of scheming to the strengths of the players .

ps this head butting started after the carolina game and it seems familiar to me as a symptom seen from carr that speaks volumes i think .

GP
10-27-2007, 11:07 AM
People are calling in on talk shows, writing to the newspaper, posting on blogs and message boards, all complaining about Kubiak's "stubbornness" in his playcalling, in that he continues to stick with running the ball, even though it's been unsuccessful so far.

I've heard Kubes state numerous times in his press conferences and interviews, that if he were to abandon the running game and "throw the ball 50 times, I'm going my quarterback hurt." Now, I know there are excuses for everything, but since we all know that the offensive line isn't that good, especially after losing McKinney, my question is that if he sincerely feels that he would put his quarterback in more danger, why is his reason for not giving up on the running game so hard to accept? Seems like a pretty legitimate reason, if you ask me.

Now, I know that Green Bay and Favre, and Philadephia and McNabb, each throw the ball way more than they run, or in other words "throw the ball to set up the run", but they each have much better offensive lines that are capable of handling the pass protection load.

But with this team's offensive line, that's not an option.

Gee, it felt like (to me) that when Sage and the entire t-e-a-m woke up from their pity party they had been throwing for themselves...and therefore starting to actually play as a team and make some first downs in the last game...that everything opened up.

Oh, I know...I know...it was because Tennessee was playing "prevent," right?

Well, whatever the case...Ahman Green was busting 10-yard runs for first downs AFTER the pass game was finally making connections and establishing the threat of moving the ball through the air.

Suddenly, LBs and CBs were no longer breaking off of WRs and TEs to gang up on Sage and Ahman.

I saw a difference AFTER the pass game was finally clicking and making progress.

And I saw our first two wins coming from the same result: The pass game was eating up defenses and they were not able to contain Ahman due to the strain it placed on them to play the in-between game: "Do I key on the WR or do I support the run? Oh crap! It's Ahman coming down the pipe and I'm 10-yards out!"

THEN what happened in game 3?

We ran the ball three straight times on our first possession, went three out and never looked the same after that. Kubiak went "cute" with the playcalling, trying to see if he could dominate with our run game early on.

I won't place ALL the blame on playcalling, but I do think it's fair to say that Kubiak did get cute with the run-heavy attitude and it doesn't take a genius to figure out that we're not a running team.

We're a passing team that uses the pass to set up a mediocre running attack which is only successful if it can fool defenses into guessing run or pass.

And when Kubiak doesn't start out a game with a heavy pass attack tha's geared to overwhelm LBs and DBs...well, you get the picture.

So, Marcus, I don't buy that this o line is retarded. Losing McKinney was worse than I imagined. Call it "the surprise of the century" if you will.

Kubiak needs to do what we do well: Pass and overwhelm, then trip 'em up with the run when applicable.

Is it THAT hard to see?

Marcus
10-27-2007, 11:38 AM
Seriously what do you think the chances are of McNair sacking Kubiak at the end of this season if Kubiak has say fewer wins than last year ?
The thing is McNair was patient & predictable with Capers, but he may be in no mood to keep Kubiak around more than 2 years if the record regresses.
I suspect by now Bob McNair is desperate to win, and especially if a HC is available who's got a winning record in the NFL he may surprise us and make a move ?

But the truth is, that's all just a 'wishful think' on your part since you were against the Kubiak hire from the very beginning.

Specnatz
10-27-2007, 11:45 AM
So far I have seen one guy bust Kubiack for having beena coach at A&M (not surprising since he dools after bevo) and we have another person saying what ever about a prevent defense and the offense being able to move the ball.

Lets take Mr Prevent does not mean crap guy.

Gee, it felt like (to me) that when Sage and the entire t-e-a-m woke up from their pity party they had been throwing for themselves...and therefore starting to actually play as a team and make some first downs in the last game...that everything opened up.

Oh, I know...I know...it was because Tennessee was playing "prevent," right?

Well, whatever the case...Ahman Green was busting 10-yard runs for first downs AFTER the pass game was finally making connections and establishing the threat of moving the ball through the air.

Suddenly, LBs and CBs were no longer breaking off of WRs and TEs to gang up on Sage and Ahman. I saw a difference AFTER the pass game was finally clicking and making progress.

In a prevent defense you are not putting as many guys on the line and you not getting as much pressure on the QB and the RB does not have to deal with as many guys stopping the run. This creates running lanes and time for the QB to find an open receiver and the open DB (in Seages case both). If you do not get any sort of pass rush consistantly most NFL QBs will be able to pick you apart (Like Joey Harrington did).

Now onto bashing of Kubiak and his bringing in trash and wishing he was gone. Your it would be nice. hiring a Slocum protege to be your offensive whiz is probably wishful thinking at best comment is a direct attempt to slap Kubiak about where he started out.

Kubiack brought nothing but trash? Don't you mean he inherriated trash and brought in some back-ups with no cap room to work with? Clark is not trash, not a super star but not trash. Losing 2 DBs early in the season, put the team on its heals and they scrambled for Safeties, granted what we picked up what not what was expected when they brought them in but at last they did not sit on their hands, plus they did not mortgage the future for bandaids.

I am not saying Kubiak is perfect and there have been threads that actually discuss issues the some have with the play calling but it was done without being an Ass, which I am learning certain people can not do. Forget discussing schemes, lets just say he sucks and brings in trash and doing it like it is a smacktalk forum.

Kubiak is just a bad offensive coordinator and only a slightly better coach. he is better than capers but he lacks the fire and emotion you need in today's NFL.

No fire or emotion? This is not college where you have a rah rah guy on the sidelines. Bill Belichick and Tony Dungy are not fire and emotion guys they are even steady minded guys who keep their cool during the course of the game. No I am not saying Kubiak is at there level yet. Everyone thought Belichick sucked in cleveland, but maybe that had more to do with the GM and personel than it did with his techniques.

Everyone called Sean Payton a genius after one season in NO, and now is he trash and a complete moron?

I am not completely happy with the play calling on offense but I am more disappointed with the play calling on defense than I am with the Offense.

Marcus
10-27-2007, 11:49 AM
I do believe that kubiak and sherman are pushing the short yardage passes to in effect replace the run game . This is clearly upsetting schaub to the point that he is strong arming passes like that and deliberately failing to be successful .

:wow: Sounds like some mighty fine strychnine laced LSD that your poppin there, pappy. Enjoy the trip!

Vinny
10-27-2007, 12:18 PM
is it just me or am I the only one who has noticed that we pass more than we run?

pappy
10-27-2007, 12:21 PM
People are calling in on talk shows, writing to the newspaper, posting on blogs and message boards, all complaining about Kubiak's "stubbornness" in his playcalling, in that he continues to stick with running the ball, even though it's been unsuccessful so far.

I've heard Kubes state numerous times in his press conferences and interviews, that if he were to abandon the running game and "throw the ball 50 times, I'm going my quarterback hurt." Now, I know there are excuses for everything, but since we all know that the offensive line isn't that good, especially after losing McKinney, my question is that if he sincerely feels that he would put his quarterback in more danger, why is his reason for not giving up on the running game so hard to accept? Seems like a pretty legitimate reason, if you ask me.

Now, I know that Green Bay and Favre, and Philadephia and McNabb, each throw the ball way more than they run, or in other words "throw the ball to set up the run", but they each have much better offensive lines that are capable of handling the pass protection load.

But with this team's offensive line, that's not an option.

Alot of teams with worse offensive lines can throw the ball past the line of scrimmage ! Sometimes playing to your strengths and to the opponents weakness instead of just saying we have to do our thing even when they know its coming is just good wisdom . You should stop reading espn wow guys .

Marcus
10-27-2007, 12:33 PM
So, Marcus, I don't buy that this o line is retarded. Losing McKinney was worse than I imagined. Call it "the surprise of the century" if you will.

Did you catch the contradiction there, GP? Yeah, I agree with you, the McKinney loss was just as bad, if not more, than A.J. The running seemed to be effective the first 2 games when he was playing, along with AJ, whose mere presence on the field caused the defence to not focus on the run as much.

But in the games played, where McKinney and AJ were not in the game, it's Kubiak's stubborn playcalling?

So yeah GP, I don't see it. You're going to have to spell it out for me.

TexansLucky13
10-27-2007, 12:38 PM
is it just me or am I the only one who has noticed that we pass more than we run?

:secret:

They can never know.

Marcus
10-27-2007, 12:39 PM
is it just me or am I the only one who has noticed that we pass more than we run?

I thought I noticed that also, but with everyone here saying that see Kubes doing nothing but run the ball, I figured I always had it on the wrong channel.

ArlingtonTexan
10-27-2007, 01:05 PM
is it just me or am I the only one who has noticed that we pass more than we run?

More and more efficiently.

Second Honeymoon
10-27-2007, 01:16 PM
So far I have seen one guy bust Kubiack for having beena coach at A&M (not surprising since he dools after bevo) and we have another person saying what ever about a prevent defense and the offense being able to move the ball.

Now onto bashing of Kubiak and his bringing in trash and wishing he was gone. Your comment is a direct attempt to slap Kubiak about where he started out.

Kubiack brought nothing but trash? Don't you mean he inherriated trash and brought in some back-ups with no cap room to work with? Clark is not trash, not a super star but not trash. Losing 2 DBs early in the season, put the team on its heals and they scrambled for Safeties, granted what we picked up what not what was expected when they brought them in but at last they did not sit on their hands, plus they did not mortgage the future for bandaids.

I am not saying Kubiak is perfect and there have been threads that actually discuss issues the some have with the play calling but it was done without being an Ass, which I am learning certain people can not do. Forget discussing schemes, lets just say he sucks and brings in trash and doing it like it is a smacktalk forum.



No fire or emotion? This is not college where you have a rah rah guy on the sidelines. Bill Belichick and Tony Dungy are not fire and emotion guys they are even steady minded guys who keep their cool during the course of the game. No I am not saying Kubiak is at there level yet. Everyone thought Belichick sucked in cleveland, but maybe that had more to do with the GM and personel than it did with his techniques.

Everyone called Sean Payton a genius after one season in NO, and now is he trash and a complete moron?

I am not completely happy with the play calling on offense but I am more disappointed with the play calling on defense than I am with the Offense.

haha. spec, you need to take a class in reading comprehension. didn't they teach you that at that university in Indiana that has that fat head coach with a losing record? or maybe your just a t-shirt fan....whatever

ok, first off, outside of Sherman, Kubiak brought trash with him as far as assistant coaching goes. period. end of story. as far as players go, he brought no players with him outside of trash (dayne).

clark has been great but was not brought with Kubiak. Clark was an RS find and RS has done an exemplary job. so please add this to that meager cranium of yours.

as for coming out fired up and prepared, if you don't think that is important, than you are as dumb as a brick. they come out flat and unprepared and it shows.

but whatever, as far as you are concerned Kubiak is doing great and above criticism. not surprisingly you were one of the brainless homers that supported Carr abysmal performance after abysmal performance.

now go watch Notre Dame get rolled again and do something constructive other than mispelling drool and making an arse of yourself.

i have forgotten more about football than you will ever know in your life....and your takes are proof of that.

am I saying Kubiak should be instantly fired? no, what I am saying is that if a top Head Coach becomes available, we need to think seriously about hiring him because he would bring quality assistant coaches with him that would immediately upgrade our bad coaching staff and obviously upgrade our head coaching position. kubiak has done a decent job but it hasnt been good enough and his lack of emotion and fire has been displayed by the play of the team on the field.

Kubiak is an average head coach but when you realize that head coaching and teh coaching staff in general is the only thing you can do to help the team that doesnt count against the salary cap, you have to realize that you have to get the best and spare no expense. Kubiak was a hometown choice who chose Carr as his starter and Mario as his defensive anchor....not exactly Einstein, eh? Thank God, Rick Smith has come in and helped fix things somewhat on the personnel level.

GP
10-27-2007, 01:49 PM
So far I have seen one guy bust Kubiack for having beena coach at A&M (not surprising since he dools after bevo) and we have another person saying what ever about a prevent defense and the offense being able to move the ball.

Lets take Mr Prevent does not mean crap guy.



In a prevent defense you are not putting as many guys on the line and you not getting as much pressure on the QB and the RB does not have to deal with as many guys stopping the run. This creates running lanes and time for the QB to find an open receiver and the open DB (in Seages case both). If you do not get any sort of pass rush consistantly most NFL QBs will be able to pick you apart (Like Joey Harrington did).

Now onto bashing of Kubiak and his bringing in trash and wishing he was gone. Your comment is a direct attempt to slap Kubiak about where he started out.

Kubiack brought nothing but trash? Don't you mean he inherriated trash and brought in some back-ups with no cap room to work with? Clark is not trash, not a super star but not trash. Losing 2 DBs early in the season, put the team on its heals and they scrambled for Safeties, granted what we picked up what not what was expected when they brought them in but at last they did not sit on their hands, plus they did not mortgage the future for bandaids.

I am not saying Kubiak is perfect and there have been threads that actually discuss issues the some have with the play calling but it was done without being an Ass, which I am learning certain people can not do. Forget discussing schemes, lets just say he sucks and brings in trash and doing it like it is a smacktalk forum.



No fire or emotion? This is not college where you have a rah rah guy on the sidelines. Bill Belichick and Tony Dungy are not fire and emotion guys they are even steady minded guys who keep their cool during the course of the game. No I am not saying Kubiak is at there level yet. Everyone thought Belichick sucked in cleveland, but maybe that had more to do with the GM and personel than it did with his techniques.

Everyone called Sean Payton a genius after one season in NO, and now is he trash and a complete moron?

I am not completely happy with the play calling on offense but I am more disappointed with the play calling on defense than I am with the Offense.

For the up-teenth time: Why doesn't Kubiak just do what we do well and stop getting cute?

Is it macho-man syndrome or something?

Who cares if we pass our way to a victory? I don't.

But if the run game isn't there, then everybody needs to stop thinking that plugging different RBs into it are going to help. Nor is it going to help to suddenly try and run the ball MORE. Nor is any other myriad of hairbrain solutions going to work.

Oh, wait a second...yes, there is one that will work: Get a hoss of an oline, which you cannot do unless you have $30 mill in cap space, and then somehow pry a great olinemen away from a team who is trying to LOCK UP said olineman. Maybe it'll work next year, when we can do it, but this season is a wash in regards to thinking that we'll be able to run the ball.

The other route is to draft them, and we've had so many holes to fill in such a short amount of time that we had to start somewhere and we started on defense, specifically the dline.

So we're in the middle of another lost season, and everyone wants to say what we should do or where the problem is at. Spencer out is not helping, obviously. AJ out is not helping, obviously, because he's a big-time deep threat and requires special gameplanning which opens up other things away from AJ. McKinney out is not helping, but it's reality. So, IMO, you can only do what you can do.

All I know is that we do well when we stick to the gameplan: Pass to overwhelm, and then use the run to supplement. And this is irregardless of who is injured and who is playing, IMO. Same gameplan no matter what.

There's not anything that can be done THIS season. Well, actually there is: Make the QB and the whole offense take what they can get, which is NOT surrendering or being less manly or something, and then work off what's given to you as the game progresses.

Some of you act like you are GMs ad if we could "only get such-and-such RB that's out there," or "we should make the trade for Bennett..." etc. All I am doing is acting like someone who sees a game, sees what we do WELL, and would just like it be as obvious to our coaching staff.

It has nothing to do with where he went to college at. And I saw Sage having to step UP into the pocket to avoid getting sacked several times late in the game because Tenn was not just runing a dime the whole time. So, howsa' bout you stop pointing your finger at posters?

We are in the last season of Casserly's Curse. Period.

So I'd like to see Kubiak stop acting as if we should curl up in the fetal position and just be content with being predictable all game and all season.

McKinney is out, it hurts. I admit it. But he's not the whole stinking team for crying out loud.

GP
10-27-2007, 02:07 PM
haha. spec, you need to take a class in reading comprehension. didn't they teach you that at that university in Indiana that has that fat head coach with a losing record? or maybe your just a t-shirt fan....whatever

ok, first off, outside of Sherman, Kubiak brought trash with him as far as assistant coaching goes. period. end of story. as far as players go, he brought no players with him outside of trash (dayne).

clark has been great but was not brought with Kubiak. Clark was an RS find and RS has done an exemplary job. so please add this to that meager cranium of yours.

as for coming out fired up and prepared, if you don't think that is important, than you are as dumb as a brick. they come out flat and unprepared and it shows.

but whatever, as far as you are concerned Kubiak is doing great and above criticism. not surprisingly you were one of the brainless homers that supported Carr abysmal performance after abysmal performance.

now go watch Notre Dame get rolled again and do something constructive other than mispelling drool and making an arse of yourself.

i have forgotten more about football than you will ever know in your life....and your takes are proof of that.

am I saying Kubiak should be instantly fired? no, what I am saying is that if a top Head Coach becomes available, we need to think seriously about hiring him because he would bring quality assistant coaches with him that would immediately upgrade our bad coaching staff and obviously upgrade our head coaching position. kubiak has done a decent job but it hasnt been good enough and his lack of emotion and fire has been displayed by the play of the team on the field.

Kubiak is an average head coach but when you realize that head coaching and teh coaching staff in general is the only thing you can do to help the team that doesnt count against the salary cap, you have to realize that you have to get the best and spare no expense. Kubiak was a hometown choice who chose Carr as his starter and Mario as his defensive anchor....not exactly Einstein, eh? Thank God, Rick Smith has come in and helped fix things somewhat on the personnel level.

I don't think we have to get rid of Kubiak to do that, though.

I agree that we have sub-par support staff. When you look at Green Bay and the staff that Holmgren put together (Gruden, Mooch, etc.) you see that a smart HC brings in winners around himself.

The message is this: You want to be an HC in the NFL? Do your job and give me a great defense. Give me a great special teams unit. Coach that QB well. Shore up the oline and make it a good one. If you ALL make ME successful, then we all will win. And when we ALL win, we ALL get more of what we want.

Thus far, though, it doesn't appear that putting the BEST support around Kubiak has even been a top priority. It takes players, but it also takes genuinely insanely talented assistants to coach a team up.

There defensive wizards out there who could easily do the job for us. It might take more money than McNair wants to spend, but it'd be worth it.

I don;t know if it's a deal of Kubiak bringing in friends, or putting up guys who are no real threat to his position, or if McNair doesn't want to have the financial outlay, or what the deal is.

But above the offensive woes, which there are many (recently) to be concerned about, I am more concerned about what I perceive to be a lack of quality assistants that outshine the HC and sparkle in the sunlight.

Joe Mar on special teams is about as golden as it gets on this staff of assistants, and I'm not sure but Shanny Jr. might be the next guy up. Other than those two, where are we really seeing a bang-up job being done?

Specnatz
10-27-2007, 02:27 PM
haha. spec, you need to take a class in reading comprehension. didn't they teach you that at that university in Indiana that has that fat head coach with a losing record? or maybe your just a t-shirt fan....whatever

ok, first off, outside of Sherman, Kubiak brought trash with him as far as assistant coaching goes. period. end of story. as far as players go, he brought no players with him outside of trash (dayne).

clark has been great but was not brought with Kubiak. Clark was an RS find and RS has done an exemplary job. so please add this to that meager cranium of yours.

as for coming out fired up and prepared, if you don't think that is important, than you are as dumb as a brick. they come out flat and unprepared and it shows.

but whatever, as far as you are concerned Kubiak is doing great and above criticism. not surprisingly you were one of the brainless homers that supported Carr abysmal performance after abysmal performance.

now go watch Notre Dame get rolled again and do something constructive other than mispelling drool and making an arse of yourself.

i have forgotten more about football than you will ever know in your life....and your takes are proof of that.

am I saying Kubiak should be instantly fired? no, what I am saying is that if a top Head Coach becomes available, we need to think seriously about hiring him because he would bring quality assistant coaches with him that would immediately upgrade our bad coaching staff and obviously upgrade our head coaching position. kubiak has done a decent job but it hasnt been good enough and his lack of emotion and fire has been displayed by the play of the team on the field.

Kubiak is an average head coach but when you realize that head coaching and teh coaching staff in general is the only thing you can do to help the team that doesnt count against the salary cap, you have to realize that you have to get the best and spare no expense. Kubiak was a hometown choice who chose Carr as his starter and Mario as his defensive anchor....not exactly Einstein, eh? Thank God, Rick Smith has come in and helped fix things somewhat on the personnel level.

I will respond to this later but after being personaly attacked I am a little pissed because I thought that was not allowd on here. But that is all You know how to do. You persoanlly attack players coaches with no insight. You attack Notre Dame which has nothing to do with pro-football. Honestly you can take your personal attack and stick them where the sun does not shine.

Seriously, .............................

NEVER MIND!!

Runner
10-27-2007, 02:46 PM
Alot of teams with worse offensive lines...

Define "a lot". :cool:

GP
10-27-2007, 03:24 PM
I will respond to this later but after being personaly attacked I am a little pissed because I thought that was not allowd on here. But that is all You know how to do. You persoanlly attack players coaches with no insight. You attack Notre Dame which has nothing to do with pro-football. Honestly you can take your personal attack and stick them where the sun does not shine.

Seriously, .............................

NEVER MIND!!

I get into it with Doug on a lot of issues. But I'm with him on this issue, specifically as it's related to poor coaching staff support.

And I apparently am not high on your Christmas card list right now.

So here's the deal: We're all sort of like family here, and family doesn't always get along.

People will defend their points of view as much as they can, especially if they feel passionately about it.

Sometimes some mud is going to get flung.

We all are guilty.

No biggie, to me. Go over to the "other" board and see what it's like. At least here on this board we have some intelligent conversation and people who by-and-large can at least articulate what they want to say.

Besides, it's the spice of life. What would it be like without Doug ragging someone. Marcuse does it, too. And Vinny will eat someone's lunch if they get on his nerves too much.

Relax.

Marcus
10-27-2007, 03:44 PM
It seems like a lame excuse from Kubiak, seeing as how Schaub is already hurt despite all of Kubiak's worthless run attempts. All of those run attempts, didn't seem to "protect" Schaub, now did they? Am I to believe that if Kubiak abandoned the run, then Schaub would be hurt worse than he currently is?

Absolutely!

Second Honeymoon
10-27-2007, 04:20 PM
I will respond to this later but after being personaly attacked I am a little pissed because I thought that was not allowd on here. But that is all You know how to do. You persoanlly attack players coaches with no insight. You attack Notre Dame which has nothing to do with pro-football. Honestly you can take your personal attack and stick them where the sun does not shine.

Seriously, .............................

NEVER MIND!!

cmon man. grow a pair. so its ok to point out where I went to school and that i 'drool' over Bevo or some other nonsense but when I point out that your 'genius' head coach for Notre Dame is fat and that he has a losing record you get your panties all in a wad. Is he fat? Yes. Do they have a losing record? Yes. What is the problem, then?

as for your Texans 'analysis', it is sorely lacking and we will leave it at that. this coaching staff is very sub-par, the team isn't ready to play on Sunday, and mistakes are being repeated. that is poor coaching and there are no such things as 10-year extensions for bad football in the NFL like there is at South Bend. You get 2-3 years to show progress in the NFL. Kubiak will have had 2 at the end of the year and if an elite HC prospect becomes available and willing, how can you not consider it?

I would take Cowher, Schottenheimer, J Johnson, Andy Reid, Carroll, or Gruden over Kubiak in a heartbeat. Our coaching staff's would be much improved but it would cost McNair. He needs to pony the money up for quality coaching with a fraction of the tenacity that he did for 2nd rate players like Weaver, Wade, Greenwood, and Riley. I guess that makes me a bad fan, huh?

and its not about where he went to school, its where he learned his craft. And the fact that he is a Slocum disciple is NOT a good thing irregardless of where you went to school. That means they have a stubbornness towards how they want to play the game and are ultra-conservative with playcalling. Kubiak isn't as conservative as RCS was but he is still too conservative with the Texans. We don't have the personnel to run a run-dominated offense but he persists in trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Didn't we learn anything with the previous regime? Cmon now.

coaching doesn't count against the cap. why do we have one of the worst and most inexperienced overall coaching staff's in the league? If they keep him as head coach, then force him to bring in Buddy Ryan's son from Oakland and make him defensive head coach with a hefty pay raise over what Al is paying him in Oakland. just do something. Our DC is horrendous on 3rd down or on any must-have play. its been painfully obvious to anyone paying attention the past 1.5 years.

Specnatz
10-27-2007, 04:54 PM
haha. spec, you need to take a class in reading comprehension. didn't they teach you that at that university in Indiana that has that fat head coach with a losing record? or maybe your just a t-shirt fan....whatever{/Quote]

Yes taking a shot at someones weight and Notre Dame shows how much intellict one has. Just curios what it has to do with the Texans. A T-Shirt fan I guess is someone who never attended the school or is it never having been on the campus or watching a football game there? I have stated many times on here why I like ND and that I went to UofH. I am sure you are going to have something negative and uncomplimentary.

ok, first off, outside of Sherman, Kubiak brought trash with him as far as assistant coaching goes. period. end of story. as far as players go, he brought no players with him outside of trash (dayne).

Jeb Putzier was also brought with him, but your original statement said nothing but trash, so that would mean nothing good what so ever now you are amending that. But I see you would like to talk about the coaches not players. You said all trash and now you say Sherman, so I guess Joe Marciano and Brian Pariani are trash and have not helped the areas in which they coach. last I looked the TE's and Special teams have been two areas that have graded out as doing some of the best work the Texans have had in 6 years. I would also add that the WR position has seen tremendous strides all year and that would be thanks to Larry Kirksey. Of course since this is his first year here, I am sure it is only thanks to Rick smith and not Kubiak.

clark has been great but was not brought with Kubiak. Clark was an RS find and RS has done an exemplary job. so please add this to that meager cranium of yours.[/Quick]

So now the coach has no say so? But you blamed capers for a lot of the personel decisions before. So which is it? the coach has say so or has none, you can't have it which ever way you want the arguement to go. It is a joint decision between HC and GM, with the final say by the GM with in the Texans organization. So my meager cranium as you put (another personal attack), can understand who has done what and brought in what players. When you really have nothing of value to had just make sure you insult them so your point sounds better and has more merit.

as for coming out fired up and prepared, if you don't think that is important, than you are as dumb as a brick. They come out flat and unprepared and it shows.

I like the fact you now add prepared. Now I never mentioned that because that goes without saying. What I did say is thata coach does not have to be a firey rah rah type of guy to get the job done. Hence my mentioning of Belichick and Dungy, two of the most nonfirey rah rah type of guys coaching today. Yet they are two of the most successful coaches there are.

but whatever, as far as you are concerned Kubiak is doing great and above criticism. not surprisingly you were one of the brainless homers that supported Carr abysmal performance after abysmal performance.

LMAO, and you criticized my reading and comprehention?

I am not completely happy with the play calling on offense but I am more disappointed with the play calling on defense than I am with the Offense.

Where does it say he is without blame? I blame the online blocking schemes and the defense schemes more (but that is what is great I am allowd to have my opinoin), of course it all does fall on the head coach regardless of who the corridinator is.

now go watch Notre Dame get rolled again and do something constructive other than mispelling drool and making an arse of yourself.

i have forgotten more about football than you will ever know in your life....and your takes are proof of that.

Not sure why you have to bring ND into this but they are not playing this week. As far as my mispelling of a single word or even multiple words, I could give a rats ass because if it boils down to someone have critique someones spelling in order to say they no nothing about football means they actually have no arguement. If I was like some and wanted to bash I could very easily bash the use of punction and use of capital letters at the begining of sentences, but that has nothing to do with football and only shows how weak minded and insicure someone might be.

This whole notion you forgot more about football than I will know could be the whole problem you have forgotten so much about football and you may want to relearn it.

am I saying Kubiak should be instantly fired? no, what I am saying is that if a top Head Coach becomes available, we need to think seriously about hiring him because he would bring quality assistant coaches with him that would immediately upgrade our bad coaching staff and obviously upgrade our head coaching position. kubiak has done a decent job but it hasnt been good enough and his lack of emotion and fire has been displayed by the play of the team on the field.

Kubiak is an average head coach but when you realize that head coaching and teh coaching staff in general is the only thing you can do to help the team that doesnt count against the salary cap, you have to realize that you have to get the best and spare no expense. Kubiak was a hometown choice who chose Carr as his starter and Mario as his defensive anchor....not exactly Einstein, eh? Thank God, Rick Smith has come in and helped fix things somewhat on the personnel level.

Yes we all know that this organization really goes after the hometown picks and heros. That is why Mario was drafted because he was the hometwon he............. oh damn that was some other guy. I thought you said that the owner deceided to keep Carr and that no coach would have been brought in that would not have agreed to keep Carr? So which is it, Kubiak is the sole reason the Texans kept Carr or was it owner Bob McNair? It is impossible to have it both ways, it has to be either or!

Wait you said that Kubiak brought trash with him (assistant coaches) so wouldn't they be to blame how Mario has performed. You have said multiple times the team has trash coaches and that if someone else was here they would bring better assistants and that no expense should be spared in that area. Now you blame Kubiak for the Mario pick but give all the credit for good players to the GM? I am really trying to understand who is at fault and who gets credit on players.

You should understand that I never said Kubiak did everything right but you again bash and use the college angle and with you being a diehard UT guy it makes your rants very biased and not very factual.

Specnatz
10-27-2007, 05:00 PM
I get into it with Doug on a lot of issues. But I'm with him on this issue, specifically as it's related to poor coaching staff support.

And I apparently am not high on your Christmas card list right now.

So here's the deal: We're all sort of like family here, and family doesn't always get along. People will defend their points of view as much as they can, especially if they feel passionately about it.

Sometimes some mud is going to get flung. We all are guilty.

No biggie, to me. Go over to the "other" board and see what it's like. At least here on this board we have some intelligent conversation and people who by-and-large can at least articulate what they want to say.

Besides, it's the spice of life. What would it be like without Doug ragging someone. Marcuse does it, too. And Vinny will eat someone's lunch if they get on his nerves too much.

Relax.


That thing is I have said I do not like the play calling of the defense as have many with regards to Frank Bush. As far as being high on my christmas card list, I have no issue with you because you never called me names or said I had a meager mind.

We can disagree on the subject of football but taking it to a level of being spiteful is another story. And that is all he does.

rickyb
10-27-2007, 08:11 PM
and its not about where he went to school, its where he learned his craft. And the fact that he is a Slocum disciple is NOT a good thing irregardless of where you went to school. That means they have a stubbornness towards how they want to play the game and are ultra-conservative with playcalling.

"Irregardless."

dictionary.com

This one (not-a-)word happens to be a pet peeve. Kinda like "supposably" for other folks.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

Maddict5
10-27-2007, 08:21 PM
:yawn:

shawn76ers
10-27-2007, 09:33 PM
did kubiak initially sign a 4yr contract ??
just curious?

ObsiWan
10-27-2007, 10:34 PM
That thing is I have said I do not like the play calling of the defense as have many with regards to Frank Bush. As far as being high on my christmas card list, I have no issue with you because you never called me names or said I had a meager mind.

We can disagree on the subject of football but taking it to a level of being spiteful is another story. And that is all he does.

ummm...
isn't Richard Smith the defensive coordinator and therefore is ultimately responsible for the defensive playcalling?

threetoedpete
10-28-2007, 12:11 AM
kubiak is just a bad offensive coordinator and only a slightly better coach. he is better than capers but he lacks the fire and emotion you need in today's NFL. he is a flatliner and is too stooped in the old 'wive's tales' of football. if you can't run the ball, you don't run the ball. it's like beating your head against the wall sometimes with this guy.

maybe the guy will take the job at A&M and get us off the hook. then we can go back up the Brinks truck and hire Cowher. Cowher would bring a pantheon of quality assistants with him as well....and maybe even a few players comes here to play for him. Kubiak brought nothing but trash.


Well the record says other wise. Kube's has a twenty year track record with the broncos that any knee jerk JA can look up. The mess that was here when he got here was not his fault. DC was not his fault. The depth in the o-line is not his fault. Stuborn ? Well yeah. he hangs with the veteran a little bit too long for my tates. I'd of all ready troted out the herd on the bench to find a center. Petey Faggins...nope I believe him. Bennitt's is not ready yet.

What some of you fail to realize is the fact that it hasn't hit rock bottom yet. It could get worse. I KNOW what is behind door number three. He can't come out and say point blank if we start this guy he's going to get someone killed. But you should be able to read between the lines of the coach speak.

This HC has to have a rushing attack to make things work. These QBs have to have the rushing attack to make things work. Now what is so difficult about that ? I get it. They start playing around with the offensvie line things could crater quickly. I'm not in the room but I'm figuring that any major changes will happen at the bye week. I like Kubes . Sure mark of a hopeless franchise they fire coaches with regularity. The season might be a disaster. But we aren't hopeless. They had a great schedule for once and if they would of lucked out with the injuries good things might of happened. Young guys in the d-line didn't mature as fast as we would of liked and the o-line got exposed. Just a franchise growing up that's all.

threetoedpete
10-28-2007, 12:25 AM
ummm...
isn't Richard Smith the defensive coordinator and therefore is ultimately responsible for the defensive playcalling?

Well Obsi, you show me the thread where one of the coordinators has a mirophone in his face and he is giving a quote on something. I want to see it. I'm not in the room...Richard Smith is doing exactly, preciesly what he is bieng told to do. Wanna throw him under the buss, makes you feel better... fine.

Specnatz
10-28-2007, 12:31 AM
Well Obsi, you show me the thread where one of the coordinators has a mirophone in his face and he is giving a quote on something. I want to see it. I'm not in the room...Richard Smith is doing exactly, preciesly what he is bieng told to do. Wanna throw him under the buss, makes you feel better... fine.

Actually I ment to say Richard Smith and say that a lot of people would like a change on the Defensive play calling and want Frank Bush. I sorta typed and forgot to proof read what I typed which I do a lot.


Oops my bad.

:texflag:

BattleRedToro
10-28-2007, 09:35 AM
My only complaint with Kubiak's assistant coaching choices has been his decision to hire Richard Smith as the Defensive Coordinator. At the time, I felt like there were better coaches available, and there still are.

BattleRedToro
10-28-2007, 09:55 AM
I would take Cowher, Schottenheimer, J Johnson, Andy Reid, Carroll, or Gruden over Kubiak in a heartbeat. Our coaching staff's would be much improved but it would cost McNair. He needs to pony the money up for quality coaching with a fraction of the tenacity that he did for 2nd rate players like Weaver, Wade, Greenwood, and Riley. I guess that makes me a bad fan, huh?

By Carroll, I take it that you meant USC Head Coach Pete Carroll. Well, I am not particularly impressed by him as a coach and I admittedly don't know much about his coaching staff, but how hard is it really to be successful in college football coaching for USC? The key to success in college football is recruiting, and USC is usually the first choice of the best players in California and its bordering States.

and its not about where he went to school, its where he learned his craft. And the fact that he is a Slocum disciple is NOT a good thing irregardless of where you went to school. That means they have a stubbornness towards how they want to play the game and are ultra-conservative with playcalling. Kubiak isn't as conservative as RCS was but he is still too conservative with the Texans. We don't have the personnel to run a run-dominated offense but he persists in trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Didn't we learn anything with the previous regime? Cmon now.

It's true that R.C. Slocum ran a very conservative Offense, but your arguement doesn't seem to hold up when you consider the approach of the Texans Defense. If Kubiak is supposedly a Slocum disciple, then how come the Texans are running a conservative 4-3 Defense? R.C. Slocum was a strong proponent of an attacking 3-4 Defense that was anything but conservative. If Kubaik was truely a Slocum disciple shouldn't the Defense be blitzing more often out of a 3-4 Defensive Alignment? I think you need to work on your analysis more, because this Slocum disciple stuff just doesn't get it done.

GP
10-28-2007, 01:08 PM
Well the record says other wise. Kube's has a twenty year track record with the broncos that any knee jerk JA can look up. The mess that was here when he got here was not his fault. DC was not his fault. The depth in the o-line is not his fault. Stuborn ? Well yeah. he hangs with the veteran a little bit too long for my tates. I'd of all ready troted out the herd on the bench to find a center. Petey Faggins...nope I believe him. Bennitt's is not ready yet.

What some of you fail to realize is the fact that it hasn't hit rock bottom yet. It could get worse. I KNOW what is behind door number three. He can't come out and say point blank if we start this guy he's going to get someone killed. But you should be able to read between the lines of the coach speak.

This HC has to have a rushing attack to make things work. These QBs have to have the rushing attack to make things work. Now what is so difficult about that ? I get it. They start playing around with the offensvie line things could crater quickly. I'm not in the room but I'm figuring that any major changes will happen at the bye week. I like Kubes . Sure mark of a hopeless franchise they fire coaches with regularity. The season might be a disaster. But we aren't hopeless. They had a great schedule for once and if they would of lucked out with the injuries good things might of happened. Young guys in the d-line didn't mature as fast as we would of liked and the o-line got exposed. Just a franchise growing up that's all.

Pretty good post.

The only thing I wonder about, is if Kubiak has the ability to gather around him the type of coaches who might be a threat to his throne. Kubiak comes across, to me, as a guy who has surrounded himself with people who are less skilled than him...making him the smartest man in the room, if you will.

I think the GM, Rick Smith, is the exception. Seems he's a pretty smart guy. I have listened to him. I have seen him work some deals and keep the cap under control with an eye toward the big payday in 2008.

I don't know. I really didn't see McNair and Kubiak attempting to put together a really high-profile staff of coaches that you see on other teams of higher caliber: Indy, Pats, etc.

If Richard Smith is still around after this season, I'll be disappointed in somebody if we don't attempt to bring a guy who is having CURRENT success as a defensive coordinator.

Second Honeymoon
10-28-2007, 07:32 PM
Kubiak didn't have the team ready to play....yet again.

Someone has to be held accountable for the garbage on the field Sunday. Was Greenwood even in the game? Did Mario think the game was going to be played in Phoenix and missed the plane? Because he didn't show up....yet again.

Richard Smith must go. We could go hire Bruce Matthews as an OL Coach and bring in the best DC that money can buy. My whole point was that the Texans are going 'on the cheap' with their coaching staff. The one area of your team where salary cap means nothing. Spend the money, delegate the power, and get it done.

This season is pretty much over so its time to stop playing so damn scared on defense. Send 4 guys against the QB. No success? Send 5 guys against the QB. No success? Send 6 guys against the QB. No success? Well, then you are the proud owner of a horrible defensive roster and scheme.

We make average QBs look like Johnny Unitas on a weekly basis. For crying out loud, Cleo freaking Lemon almost beat us......

Richard Smith MUST GO

scourge
10-29-2007, 01:38 AM
is it just me or am I the only one who has noticed that we pass more than we run?

thats what me and all of my friends have been saying for weeks now. it always seems like pass/pass/run/punt, especially in the 1st half.

I think the play action would work much better if we ran a little more, and a little more effectively

dskillz
10-29-2007, 08:34 AM
is it just me or am I the only one who has noticed that we pass more than we run?

Not just you, we passed more than we ran yesterday, but seems our QBs pass it to the wrong team. So maybe we are better off running the ball.

This entire team is not ready to play. Whether it be passing, running, special teams, or defense, this team is not ready to play, period. That falls right on the coaching staff. Kubiak wasn't ready 5 years ago to be coach, I am wondering if he is ready now. The fact that he continues to start Faggins puzzles me. Does he not have the balls to make tough decisions? Is he too nice? Scared to hurt people's feelings?

Texan_Bill
10-29-2007, 08:40 AM
Down 35-3 causes teams to throw more than they run.... But still, I couldn't beleive we were running the ball with ~2:00+ minutes in the 3rd. Not only were we still trying to run the ball, but HEY OFFENSE, can we move with a little sense of urgency?? Guys walking back to the huddle, snapping the ball with 2 or 3 seconds left on the play clock...WTF?!?!

I was a big Kubiak fan, but right now this team is poorly coached. It shows not only in execution, but preparedness, effort and focus....


My rant for the day.....

PapaL
10-29-2007, 08:53 AM
FYI:

Great coaching can't overcome sub-par crappy players.
Two offseasons can't purge a whole team of sub-par crappy players.
Sub-par crappy players can't overcome questionable game planning.

For those of you who think the team is not prepared - Do you honestly think they sit around eating donuts and drinking coffee all day? When you don't have to tools to complete you get embarrased. So many GMs, HCs, and draft gurus on this board - just amazing.

Texan_Bill
10-29-2007, 08:57 AM
Bryan Pittman has been a long snapper for a five NFL seasons... Matt Turk is 6'-5" tall and couldn't reach that snap... That is a lack of focus.. Focus = preparedness. Preparedness = Coaching....

PapaL
10-29-2007, 08:59 AM
Bryan Pittman has been a long snapper for a five NFL seasons... Matt Turk is 6'-5" tall and couldn't reach that snap... That is a lack of focus.. Focus = preparedness. Preparedness = Coaching....

What the heck are you talking about? A player mistake on a long snap has nothing to do with coaching. Coaches can only tell players how they should react in certain situation; Players are the one's responsible for their actions.

By your theory it's the coaches fault a player fumbles, throws an INT, kicks the ball out of bounds?

Texan_Bill
10-29-2007, 09:06 AM
Huge difference between a running back getting stripped of the ball and a brain fart.... A brain fart is not being focused on the game at hand.

If you dont like that simple enough example of lack of focus and intensity, how about the blown coverage on Antonio Gates?? (not once, but twice)

PapaL
10-29-2007, 09:10 AM
Huge difference between a running back getting stripped of the ball and a brain fart.... A brain fart is not being focused on the game at hand.

If you dont like that simple enough example of lack of focus and intensity, how about the blown coverage on Antonio Gates?? (not once, but twice)

Not a single person here knows what the coverage was - with that said I'm 100% certain it was not leave their all pro TE wide open and running around. Whose fault is it that he was uncovered? The sub par crappy defender who was suppose to be covering but failed in doing his job.

A snap gone bad is a brain fart not the coaches lack of preparing the professional long snap to do what he is paid to do - snap the dang ball.

Texan_Bill
10-29-2007, 09:28 AM
Not a single person here knows what the coverage was - with that said I'm 100% certain it was not leave their all pro TE wide open and running around. Whose fault is it that he was uncovered? The sub par crappy defender who was suppose to be covering but failed in doing his job.

A snap gone bad is a brain fart not the coaches lack of preparing the professional long snap to do what he is paid to do - snap the dang ball.

I know what that coverage was.... NON-EXISTENT...

"Whose fault is it that he was uncovered? The sub par crappy defender who was suppose to be covering but failed in doing his job." -or- a coaching staff that did not have their defense prepared to play... If a player is defeated because of lack of talent, thats on the player - but if a player is nowhere close to where he's supposed to be (missed assignment) - that's on coaching. Thats on Richard Smith.

Last.... It is ultimately up to the coaches to make sure the players are focused on theirs assignments. A special teams play that goes awry (as a snap 14 feet over a huge punter's head) is focus. It is up to Marciano to make sure that his players are focused. They weren't. Maybe there's too much high-fiving and grab-ass going on.

HOU-TEX
10-29-2007, 09:30 AM
Not a single person here knows what the coverage was - with that said I'm 100% certain it was not leave their all pro TE wide open and running around. Whose fault is it that he was uncovered? The sub par crappy defender who was suppose to be covering but failed in doing his job.

A snap gone bad is a brain fart not the coaches lack of preparing the professional long snap to do what he is paid to do - snap the dang ball.

It was a zone coverage. The Safety wasn't anywhere near his coverage zone. Pickings daisies towards the far sideline from what it looked like.

Our safeties suck, our OLBs suck, our Oline sucks, our RBs suck, our Coordinators suck and our overpaid Dline sucks.

We will be picking top 10 again.:gun:

Second Honeymoon
10-29-2007, 02:20 PM
It was a zone coverage. The Safety wasn't anywhere near his coverage zone. Pickings daisies towards the far sideline from what it looked like.

Our safeties suck, our OLBs suck, our Oline sucks, our RBs suck, our Coordinators suck and our overpaid Dline sucks.

We will be picking top 10 again.:gun:

you forgot that our Head Coach sucks too...its his fault that we have all these dimestore coordinators and assistants on our staff and its ultimately the head coaches fault if a team falls behind 14+ points each game.

someone on this thread said it best when they said, and I am paraphrasing, 'kubiak wasn't ready to be a head coach 5 years ago and I am not sure he is ready even now'

McNair needs to stop being skimpy on head coaches and make Cowher the highest paid HC in NFL history...just GET IT DONE. Cowher would give us proven HC experience and the ability to win with the players he is given. He managed a program that was constantly losing players and you know he would do wonders with our drafting. I also think he would be willing to work with a guy like Rick Smith who has done a pretty good job to date. Green hasn't worked out but we knew injuries were a possibility. it was a gamble that hasnt paid off and looks less likely to do so as the season progresses.

I tried to give Kubiak some time but its obvious he just gets outcoached on a weekly basis. not necessarily always him, but his coaches and himself get outcoached weekly....journeyman QBs become Unitas and losing teams look like contenders when we face us...that is Coaching. this isn't college football where recruiting matters or stuff like that. Coaching is the MOST important thing in the NFL. When you try and nickle and dime it, you get burned. Kubiak wasn't the best guy for the job when he was hired, he was just one that was willing to work with DC and had the sentimental hometown link. This isn't a popularity contest. He isn't running for mayor. Bottom line. Can he coach and does he have lots of friends who can coach that will come work for him? Cowher trumps Kubiak in that department.

oh and when you look in the camera and say that Mario is playing fine and that you are happy with his work, then you are also a bad head coach. You have to be willing to bench a guy or at least rip him a new one where you may not hear it in the media but you would hear about it in the media after the smoke clears. Mario. Greenwood. Weaver. Everyone. All MIA.

I'll do the right thing as a fan and stick by Schaub as he is just a rookie as a starter and QB is the toughest position to play especially when you have little to no running game post-McKinney and lost your #1 guy. Its not an excuse for his mental mistakes but you can't really judge him yet. richard smith was our 5th choice as DC to begin with and its obvious why that was the case...the guy just sucks. he needs to go....there is talent. it has to be used and if its not playing up to its ability, it must be benched and give hungry guys a chance and let the 'stars' get hungry.

OT - but Dunta should be in the Pro Bowl with how well he is playing this year. Yeah you could argue he cost us the game last week but that would be a bit harsh. He has shown so much heart and skill. We need to get him some freaking help back there. I absolutely love the guy and his heart.

it's obvious we may need a more fiery and demonstrative coach because with our lack of veteran leadership and winning attitude we will never get anywhere. The fact that Smith still has a job is just puzzling. We have NEVER gotten a pash rush against anyone. We have been relatively injury free on our DL as well. No excuses, other teams get a pass rush even if they have to send the kitchen sink at them, but we get no pass rush and we have sense of urgency on either side of the ball.

KUBIAK MUST GO

Best Case Scenario: A&M fires Fran and lures Kubiak from Texans. Texans then hire Cowher, he brings Dick LeBeau out of Pittsurgh, and we sign Alan Faneca, one of his former players. And don't give me this 3-4 or 4-3 garbage. We have players that can play both ways and some would say that Mario (which is where practically all of our $$ is at) may be a good fit as a 3-4 DE. Lord knows he is a crappy 4-3 DE.

Vinny
10-29-2007, 02:57 PM
It was a zone coverage. The Safety wasn't anywhere near his coverage zone. Pickings daisies towards the far sideline from what it looked like.

Our safeties suck, our OLBs suck, our Oline sucks, our RBs suck, our Coordinators suck and our overpaid Dline sucks.

We will be picking top 10 again.:gun:he getting looked off by Rivers as the Chargers did something totally nuts (sarcasm)...they sent two guys deep. With one safety deep it's just physically impossible to cover both sides of the field. It was just more crap scheme.

PapaL
10-29-2007, 02:57 PM
It's amazing how we go from rosey colored shades to Stevie Wonder shades. No point in trying to help people see the light.

The Saftey enjoying the skyline when he should be covering someone is not a coaching issue - it's a player issue.

I am by no means letting the coaching staff off the hook - lay blame where it should be, across the board.

Vinny
10-29-2007, 02:59 PM
It's amazing how we go from rosey colored shades to Stevie Wonder shades. No point in trying to help people see the light.

The Saftey enjoying the skyline when he should be covering someone is not a coaching issue - it's a player issue.

I am by no means letting the coaching staff off the hook - lay blame where it should be, across the board. sorry, but it's impossible for the deep S to cover two players at once. We had 8 in the box all day and drew up some of the worst coverage schemes against an elite player like Gates as I've ever seen. They totally sold out to take away LT but they forgot they aren't built like us....only one threat.

Second Honeymoon
10-29-2007, 03:02 PM
sorry, but it's impossible for the deep S to cover two players at once. We had 8 in the box all day and drew up some of the worst coverage schemes against an elite player like Gates as I've ever seen. They totally sold out to take away LT but they forgot they aren't built like us....only one threat.

Exactly, Brown was essentially a 4th LB the whole day and they must have thought that the object of the game was to hold LT under 100 yards and NOT to win a football game. Hutchins is not a good safety but there isnt a safety in the league that would enjoy success playing by himself in the deep secondary.

dickieb
10-29-2007, 05:07 PM
Richard Smith must go. We could go hire Bruce Matthews as an OL Coach and bring in the best DC that money can buy.

I don't know about Bruce Matthews as a coach but... How about getting him out of retirement as a player? He would sure be better than anything we have on the OL now, I don't care how old he is.:)

Texan_Bill
10-29-2007, 05:09 PM
I am by no means letting the coaching staff off the hook - lay blame where it should be, across the board.

That I will agree with...

Second Honeymoon
10-29-2007, 05:12 PM
I don't know about Bruce Matthews as a coach but... How about getting him out of retirement as a player? He would sure be better than anything we have on the OL now, I don't care how old he is.:)

your probably right. he still looked pretty fit when he accepted the yellow HOF jacket in September. :laugh:

I do think he would be a good candidate though because his best friend is the OL Coach of the Titans (former Oiler great Mike Munchak) and he has probably learned a lot playing under, playing with, and coaching under Munchak. Matthews retired a Titan but he made the HOF playing as a Houston Oiler. He would at least demand 100% effort and preparation based on the respect that he has from everyone. He would also have a lot of experience in the Division and what teams tendencies are in relation to blitzes and team packages...including the Titans. Call me nostalgic, I guess.

Second Honeymoon
10-29-2007, 05:21 PM
It's amazing how we go from rosey colored shades to Stevie Wonder shades. No point in trying to help people see the light.

The Saftey enjoying the skyline when he should be covering someone is not a coaching issue - it's a player issue.

I am by no means letting the coaching staff off the hook - lay blame where it should be, across the board.

Papa, i totally agree with where you are coming from but I just feel that Kubiak has had a window to show progress and he hasn't to this point. do we re-sign him? make him lame duck next year?

At the end of the day, you can't just fire your players due to salary cap implications. what you can do is bring coaches in to get more out of your current players and improve the environments and schemes they run.

Let me put it this way, if the Texans go 6-10, I think Kubiak should be gone. If they get to 7-9 or .500, you give him a one year extension so he isnt a lame duck coach in 2008 but he has to hire a new Defensive Coordinator. If they somehow manage a winning record, he can do what he wants as he will have already started to show improvement over the course of the remaining 2007 season.

Cowher is out there. Reid may be out there. Schotty is out there. Gruden may be out there. All guys would be major improvements when you look at the potential assistants and coordinators they would bring with them. We just need a coach who can inspire the team and have them ready to play at kickoff. Kubiak has failed miserably in that elementary job for any head coach...and he has failed in that job consistently over the course of his brief coaching career.

PapaL
10-30-2007, 05:38 AM
Papa, i totally agree with where you are coming from but I just feel that Kubiak has had a window to show progress and he hasn't to this point. do we re-sign him? make him lame duck next year?

At the end of the day, you can't just fire your players due to salary cap implications. what you can do is bring coaches in to get more out of your current players and improve the environments and schemes they run.

Let me put it this way, if the Texans go 6-10, I think Kubiak should be gone. If they get to 7-9 or .500, you give him a one year extension so he isnt a lame duck coach in 2008 but he has to hire a new Defensive Coordinator. If they somehow manage a winning record, he can do what he wants as he will have already started to show improvement over the course of the remaining 2007 season.

Cowher is out there. Reid may be out there. Schotty is out there. Gruden may be out there. All guys would be major improvements when you look at the potential assistants and coordinators they would bring with them. We just need a coach who can inspire the team and have them ready to play at kickoff. Kubiak has failed miserably in that elementary job for any head coach...and he has failed in that job consistently over the course of his brief coaching career.

In all honesty I don't see Gary Kubiak going any where this year nor next year. I'm not sure how long of a contract he signed in Jan '06 but he will be here for 5 years and probably one extention year afterwards. All the coaches you listed have their own knocks as well. (Cowher - 10 years to win his SB, Reid is burned out , Schotty - well no comment needed there, and Gruden singlehandedly ruined a good TB team.)

In other words; it's easy to be the arm chair QB and/or Coach - much harder when it's your name on the line. We can't expect miracles after 2 years. Should our DC be gone? I would say yes. But we shouldn't burn the whole barn down because we a rusty door and vermin problem. /2 Cents