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titanbuoy
10-26-2007, 07:00 AM
So here it is my first post, and rather than being a smack talking dick from post one I thought I'd just say hi to everyone here at TT. I'm not going to sugarcoat this, I hate the Texans, I hate the fact that Houston and Bud somehow managed to rob me of my favourite football team. I really don't want to argue about that now, let's face it that argument has been done to death; I'm sure we can go round and round about that at some point.

I thought I'd focus on the fact that until a decade ago we we're cheering for the same team... getting our hearts broken by the same team. Now we're getting our hearts broken by two different franchises (one yard short in the Super Bowl for me... and just about every game in Texans history for you guys... okay yeah, that was a shot, I'll cut it out).

Remember Alonzo Highsmith? Damn I loved that guy... I recall a game against the dreaded Bengals in 88 (I think), with the Oilers up by ten midway through the fourth quarter Esiason led Cincinatti to a TD to cut the lead to three points. The momentum seemed all in the Bungals favour. On the ensuing drive the Oilers ran Highsmith on every play, eating up the clock and ultimately scoring a TD. Damn, there was nothing better than seeing that douche bag Sam Wyche and the criminally overhyped Norman Esiason stewing on the sideline as the Oilers ran it down thier throats.

As an Oilers fan since the mid-seventies (as a kid I loved Kenny Burrough and Robert Brazile), I lived a died with that frickin team... and I'm sure that's something many of us share in common. I'm not sure why that Bengals game stands out so much for me. Perhaps it was the fact that it was the initial stages of the successful Moon era, after the team had struggled through much of the eighties.

To this day I still hate the Steelers as much as any franchise in the league. Losing two AFC Championship to the steroid fueled Steelers is something that doesn't leave me (are any of those steroid gobbling offensive lineman still alive). I was 14 at the time that Mike Renfro MADE that catch in the back of the endzone... I cried like a *****. Okay everyone together now, one time with feeling "F the Steelers!!!!!!"

Anyways... I'll stick to talking crap from now on, but at least initially I thought I should come in and talk about the thing we share in common rather than coming in here and spewing smack right from post #1.

I’m quite familiar with Overalls from his trips to go Titans, and other than his inexplicable insistence to follow the Texans he seems like a cool guy. I've also recently become familiar with Silver Oak.

Here's to years of great rivalry games, but let us not completely forget our many shared memories of great wins and heartbreaking losses.

Luv ya blue forever baby!

Silver Oak
10-26-2007, 07:45 AM
Welcome!

Your franchise is a cursed franchise. The owner screwed over so many people in his lifetime, the powers that be decided to let him die of old age before granting his team a Super Bowl victory.

Get used to heartbreak, and once again, Welcome!

gwallaia
10-26-2007, 07:50 AM
Where ya from buoy?

titanbuoy
10-26-2007, 08:16 AM
Get used to heartbreak, and once again, Welcome!

Considering how your favourite team's last game turned out, were you able to type that while keeping a straight face? Regardless thanks for the welcome chum.


Where ya from buoy?

London, Ontario, Canada (pretty much right between Toronto and Detroit).

Following the Oilers in the seventies and early eighties was a *****. Obviously it was before the internet, but it was even prior to the USA Today. I used to subscribe to old newsprint paper called "The Oiler report". It'd generally arrive at my doorstep a month after publication but I loved that rag (I'm sure I still have a few of 'em collecting dust in a box somewhere)

Texan_Bill
10-26-2007, 08:44 AM
Where ya from buoy?

The spelling of favourite, should have told you Brit or Canadien.

ChildressTitanMan
10-26-2007, 10:16 AM
Hey there titanbuoy

titanbuoy
10-26-2007, 10:31 AM
Hey there titanbuoy

Jeebus, clearly you guys will let just about anyone join here.

:)

Vinny
10-26-2007, 10:34 AM
Jeebus, you guys will let anyone join here.

:)
the symptoms often go away but the virus stays dormant in the blood.

The Pencil Neck
10-26-2007, 11:24 AM
I'm not going to sugarcoat this, I hate the Texans, I hate the fact that Houston and Bud somehow managed to rob me of my favourite football team.

I just don't follow this logic.

You hate the Texans because Adams moved the Oilers to Tennessee. And you root for the Titans.

That makes no sense to me at all.

The Texans didn't have anything to do with Adams' decision to move the Oilers.

Double Barrel
10-26-2007, 11:27 AM
I just don't follow this logic.

You hate the Texans because Adams moved the Oilers to Tennessee. And you root for the Titans.

That makes no sense to me at all.

The Texans didn't have anything to do with Adams' decision to move the Oilers.

Your first mistake was expecting logic from a Titans fan. :howdy:

Overalls
10-26-2007, 11:37 AM
Your first mistake was expecting logic from a Titans fan. :howdy:

I'll 2nd that.

I realize he isn't from the Houston area, but for the life of me I will never understand how an Oiler fan from the Houston area can look theirselves in the mirror and root for the Titans. It would be like living in Boston and rooting for Benadick Arnold after he was kicked off the continent.

Spelling error may be a reference to feelings about Dud Adams.

:fans:

titanbuoy
10-26-2007, 11:41 AM
I just don't follow this logic.

You hate the Texans because Adams moved the Oilers to Tennessee. And you root for the Titans.

That makes no sense to me at all.

The Texans didn't have anything to do with Adams' decision to move the Oilers.

Again I don't want this to turn into a thread debating who's to blame for the Oilers' departure. But as a fan from a far, rightly or wrongly I've always placed part of the blame on the fans in Houston for failing to appreciate the Oilers fully while they were there. When the Browns moved from Cleveland the fans and city went apeshit, when the Oilers left Houston I didn't notice a similar outcry coming from Texas. Through my eyes, Houston didn't fight for their franchise in the same manner as the people of Cleveland (they didn't even put up a fight to keep the name and history the way Browns' fans did). I'm fully aware this is just my opinion and not cut in stone facts. I realize you have a completely different perspective on this and again please let's not turn my first thread into a debate over this, let's just leave that fight for another time.

And yes the fact that the Texans are now a division rival (or at least attempting to be) only fuels my disdain for the team.

PapaL
10-26-2007, 11:58 AM
While I go agree that they should have fought to keep the team name and history - Good riddence to bad garbage. The old timers know they are Houston Oilers regardless of what the league and Bud says.

gwallaia
10-26-2007, 12:01 PM
You should have lived in Houston during the Oiler days. You would have realized how the fans loved the team. That's all I can say.

Texan_Bill
10-26-2007, 12:32 PM
RIP Houston Oilers.... 1960-1996. They are dead to me, and the Tinnbreds are no susbtitution.. Thank God, I have my Texans now!!

Double Barrel
10-26-2007, 12:32 PM
You should have lived in Houston during the Oiler days. You would have realized how the fans loved the team. That's all I can say.

Word.

Again I don't want this to turn into a thread debating who's to blame for the Oilers' departure. But as a fan from a far, rightly or wrongly I've always placed part of the blame on the fans in Houston for failing to appreciate the Oilers fully while they were there. When the Browns moved from Cleveland the fans and city went apeshit, when the Oilers left Houston I didn't notice a similar outcry coming from Texas. Through my eyes, Houston didn't fight for their franchise in the same manner as the people of Cleveland (they didn't even put up a fight to keep the name and history the way Browns' fans did). I'm fully aware this is just my opinion and not cut in stone facts. I realize you have a completely different perspective on this and again please let's not turn my first thread into a debate over this, let's just leave that fight for another time.

And yes the fact that the Texans are now a division rival (or at least attempting to be) only fuels my disdain for the team.

Read up on your old team before you starting spouting nonsense.

"Oiler Blues: The Story of Pro Football's Most Frustrating Team" by John Pirkle is a good place to start. Education is the key to avoid being ignorant.

Oiler fans were NEVER given a chance to rally for the team. Some lame, half-hearted attempt AFTER Dud had already sealed the deal is what keeps getting mentioned. No amount of fan protests would have mattered at the end of the day.

You fail to comprehend that Dud had no desire to work with the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo, wanted the land DONATED to him by the city, and wanted a 100% taxpayer financed stadium that he controlled ALL rights to. Dud could give a rat's ass about his team's history and the loyalty of the city towards his franchise. His only obligation has always been to his bank account, so instead of working with local leaders like other football owners do to build a stadium and continue the tradition, he slithered out of town to the best offer available. He couldn't even have the balls to keep the name, and didn't have the soul to give up the name that he covered up. What does that say about his character, or rather, lack of?

We were already paying for $60 million+ in renovations to the Astrodome, which were the result of Dud threatening to move the team to Jacksonville. We are STILL paying those bonds today. Most civilized folks call that extortion.

See, not actually being here to LIVE IT gives you the typical media brainwashing of assumptions and generalizations. It's sad, really, because you act like we share some kind of history together, but in reality, you only try to demean Houston football fans while promoting a slimeball owner.

Fine, you hate the Texans. Whatever. Big deal. Just another troll on a Texans board as far as most of us are concerned. I'm glad a 'fan' like you moved on with the sleaze. You wouldn't have the class to be one of our own.

titanbuoy
10-26-2007, 02:46 PM
Word.



Read up on your old team before you starting spouting nonsense.

"Oiler Blues: The Story of Pro Football's Most Frustrating Team" by John Pirkle is a good place to start. Education is the key to avoid being ignorant.

Oiler fans were NEVER given a chance to rally for the team. Some lame, half-hearted attempt AFTER Dud had already sealed the deal is what keeps getting mentioned. No amount of fan protests would have mattered at the end of the day.

You fail to comprehend that Dud had no desire to work with the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo, wanted the land DONATED to him by the city, and wanted a 100% taxpayer financed stadium that he controlled ALL rights to. Dud could give a rat's ass about his team's history and the loyalty of the city towards his franchise. His only obligation has always been to his bank account, so instead of working with local leaders like other football owners do to build a stadium and continue the tradition, he slithered out of town to the best offer available. He couldn't even have the balls to keep the name, and didn't have the soul to give up the name that he covered up. What does that say about his character, or rather, lack of?

We were already paying for $60 million+ in renovations to the Astrodome, which were the result of Dud threatening to move the team to Jacksonville. We are STILL paying those bonds today. Most civilized folks call that extortion.

See, not actually being here to LIVE IT gives you the typical media brainwashing of assumptions and generalizations. It's sad, really, because you act like we share some kind of history together, but in reality, you only try to demean Houston football fans while promoting a slimeball owner.

Fine, you hate the Texans. Whatever. Big deal. Just another troll on a Texans board as far as most of us are concerned. I'm glad a 'fan' like you moved on with the sleaze. You wouldn't have the class to be one of our own.

Wow, with the amount of vitriol and name calling spewed in that post it's funny that you accuse me of having no class. That's rich.

Don't assume the things I haven't done there Bubba.

I'm an avid reader and have read multiple books on the Oilers and the origins of the AFL. I've certainly read (and own) Fowler's POS book. I've also read Elvin Bethea's book Smash Mouth where he describes Fowler as a no talent hack who didn't have anything positive to say about the franchise or it's players during his entire career (in fact Bethea spat in Fowler's face during the last year of his career). You lapped up the BS in Fowler's book just like the good little dog you are.

When it comes to the Oilers’ move there is plenty of guilt to be passed around. If you want to delude yourself into thinking it was all mean old Bud Adams’ fault that's fine, but that's all it is, a simplified black and white delusion. If that helps you cope with the fact that your city politicos and you the fans of Houston were also responsible for letting the team you loved so much slip away that's cool, but don't get self righteous with me and try to pass your delusion off as fact.

The Oilers, both the team and its history are alive and well and residing in Nashville Tennessee. Those are the facts, you can lie to yourself about it all you want, but that doesn't change the plain and undeniable truth. Just check the Titans record books and you'll see storied names like Bethea, Campbell, Munchak, Moon, Blanda and Hennigan. Check the Texans record book and you'll find "greats" like Carr, Davis, and Robinson... The truth may hurt broseph, but it is what it is.

I hope this whole bitterness thing works out for you buddy, because you wear it on your sleeve so damn well.

Showtime100
10-26-2007, 02:56 PM
I guess the guy can't be from "Cincinatti."

ChildressTitanMan
10-26-2007, 03:04 PM
titanbuoy you bad troll.

Don't you know not to mention the Oilers history.We're only allowed to bring it up when the Texans fans have given us permission.

Silver Oak
10-26-2007, 03:13 PM
you'll see storied names like Bethea, Campbell, Munchak, Moon, Blanda and Hennigan.

I don't think Earl wants or has anything to do with the Tennessee franchise.

TexansLucky13
10-26-2007, 03:18 PM
When it comes to the Oilersí move there is plenty of guilt to be passed around. If you want to delude yourself into thinking it was all mean old Bud Adamsí fault that's fine, but that's all it is, a simplified black and white delusion. If that helps you cope with the fact that your city politicos and you the fans of Houston were also responsible for letting the team you loved so much slip away that's cool, but don't get self righteous with me and try to pass your delusion off as fact.

Wow. Your cheese is definitely slipping off your cracker. If I were you, I would spend as much time as possible finding those crayons that have obvious fallen out of your Crayola box.

But in all seriousness, you obviously aren't from Houston. I have only lived here for a dozen years, but from day one I could see how much the city loved that team.

The fact is, Bud Adams is an asshole. Words cannot express how vile of a person he truly is. After all this city did for him, he spat in its face.

Have fun rooting for that group of thugs in Tennessee. It seems Bud has surrounded himself with people just like himself. Stomping on the face of defenseless people.

titanbuoy
10-26-2007, 03:21 PM
I guess the guy can't be from "Cincinatti."

There's no place I'd rather "mispell"

well, I guess with the possible exception pf Pittsbergh :)


titanbuoy you bad troll.

Don't you know not to mention the Oilers history.We're only allowed to bring it up when the Texans fans have given us permission.

Geeez, tell me about it. I was trying to be honest about where I'm coming from and the guy jumps down my throat. I said I realized evrything I was saying was simply my perspective and that I was aware they had a different one yet Double Barrell flips the ***** switch. Oh well, it's good to know that when indeed I do decide to do a little trolling guys like DB will be an easy mark.

I was honestly hoping that at least for this thread we could talk about the past that many of us have in common, instead of focusing on the things that we obviously have differences on.

Meh, I guess if I were a fan of the Texans I'd be a tad edgy too.

Vinny
10-26-2007, 03:23 PM
I was honestly hoping that at least for this thread we could talk about the past that many of us have in common, instead of focusing on the things that we obviously have differences on.

Meh, I guess if I were a fan of the Texans I'd be a tad edgy too.
did you start the thread in the smack section or did you start it in the NFL section? This is the "smack" area btw

Second Honeymoon
10-26-2007, 03:23 PM
So here it is my first post, and rather than being a smack talking dick from post one I thought I'd just say hi to everyone here at TT. I'm not going to sugarcoat this, I hate the Texans, I hate the fact that Houston and Bud somehow managed to rob me of my favourite football team. I really don't want to argue about that now, let's face it that argument has been done to death; I'm sure we can go round and round about that at some point.

I thought I'd focus on the fact that until a decade ago we we're cheering for the same team... getting our hearts broken by the same team. Now we're getting our hearts broken by two different franchises (one yard short in the Super Bowl for me... and just about every game in Texans history for you guys... okay yeah, that was a shot, I'll cut it out).

Remember Alonzo Highsmith? Damn I loved that guy... I recall a game against the dreaded Bengals in 88 (I think), with the Oilers up by ten midway through the fourth quarter Esiason led Cincinatti to a TD to cut the lead to three points. The momentum seemed all in the Bungals favour. On the ensuing drive the Oilers ran Highsmith on every play, eating up the clock and ultimately scoring a TD. Damn, there was nothing better than seeing that douche bag Sam Wyche and the criminally overhyped Norman Esiason stewing on the sideline as the Oilers ran it down thier throats.

As an Oilers fan since the mid-seventies (as a kid I loved Kenny Burrough and Robert Brazile), I lived a died with that frickin team... and I'm sure that's something many of us share in common. I'm not sure why that Bengals game stands out so much for me. Perhaps it was the fact that it was the initial stages of the successful Moon era, after the team had struggled through much of the eighties.

To this day I still hate the Steelers as much as any franchise in the league. Losing two AFC Championship to the steroid fueled Steelers is something that doesn't leave me (are any of those steroid gobbling offensive lineman still alive). I was 14 at the time that Mike Renfro MADE that catch in the back of the endzone... I cried like a *****. Okay everyone together now, one time with feeling "F the Steelers!!!!!!"

Anyways... I'll stick to talking crap from now on, but at least initially I thought I should come in and talk about the thing we share in common rather than coming in here and spewing smack right from post #1.

Iím quite familiar with Overalls from his trips to go Titans, and other than his inexplicable insistence to follow the Texans he seems like a cool guy. I've also recently become familiar with Silver Oak.

Here's to years of great rivalry games, but let us not completely forget our many shared memories of great wins and heartbreaking losses.

Luv ya blue forever baby!

well your a tack fan so -negative points from me, HOWEVER you are a Bob & Dave fan so that makes you ok in my book.

Mr. Show = Greatest Show in History of Mankind

as for your apologist attitude towards Bud, I agree with some of it but at the end of the day, he left because he was a greedy bastard and he took the uniforms and name with him which was punkarse. Bud is fat. /discuss.

ChildressTitanMan
10-26-2007, 03:26 PM
Double Barrel is a good guy ,he just pulled the trigger because your a new titan fan here IMO.

One of the best things about this site is one of the moderators Vinny. He's lived in Tennessee & while he's a 100% Texans fan he doesn't have an ounce of homerism in him.

TexansLucky13
10-26-2007, 03:28 PM
There's no place I'd rather "mispell"

well, I guess with the possible exception pf Pittsbergh :)




Geeez, tell me about. I was trying to be honest about where I'm coming from and the guy jumps down my throat. I said I realized evrything I was saying was simply my perspective and that I was aware they had a different one yet Double Barrell flips the ***** switch. Oh well, it's good to know that when indeed I do decide to do a little trolling guys like DB will be an easy mark.

I was honestly hoping that at least for this thread we could talk about the past that many of us have in common, instead of focusing on the things that we obviously have differences on.

Meh, I guess if I were a fan of the Texans I'd be a tad edgy too.

You aren't as good of a liar as you think. Your intentions weren't at all innocent. Just like a good troll, you came in with an agenda, and are sticking to it.

You - Bring up a subject you know we will respond to negatively.

Us - Respond

You - Criticize us for responding and then continue with the snide remarks.

Us - Call you out for being the troll you are.

You - Continue to play the victim and gain power by our replies.

Us - Fuel the troll or walk away.

I walk away.

The Pencil Neck
10-26-2007, 03:38 PM
Again I don't want this to turn into a thread debating who's to blame for the Oilers' departure. But as a fan from a far, rightly or wrongly I've always placed part of the blame on the fans in Houston for failing to appreciate the Oilers fully while they were there.

Then you have no idea how it felt to have your team ripped out of your life. To you, they just moved. They were still your team but shabbily treated. To me and other fans from Houston, it was a gaping wound. You have absolutely no idea how badly that hurt.

So, go ahead and hate the Texans because they aren't the Oilers. And go ahead and tell me that I'm the reason. That's OK because I blame you for global warming and you're a dillweed because of it. I'm pretty sure you had something to do with the fires in San Diego, too.

titanbuoy
10-26-2007, 03:39 PM
You aren't as good of a liar as you think. Your intentions weren't at all innocent. Just like a good troll, you came in with an agenda, and are sticking to it.

You - Bring up a subject you know we will respond to negatively.

Us - Respond

You - Criticize us for responding and then continue with the snide remarks.

Us - Call you out for being the troll you are.

You - Continue to play the victim and gain power by our replies.

Us - Fuel the troll or walk away.

I walk away.

I think my OP was very tame. What was I supposed to do? Come in here, pucker up and kiss butt. Any perceived troll like statements were direct responses to comments by your fellow "members".

Almost my entire OP was filled with my recollections of the Oilers' days (recollections I foolishly thought we might share). Or is simply mentioning the Oilers considered a trolling maneuver. If that's the case, I guess I'm guilty as charged. But if you still claim to be fans of the Oilers, you probably shouldn't let your panties get in a bunch at the mere mention of them.

titanbuoy
10-26-2007, 03:46 PM
did you start the thread in the smack section or did you start it in the NFL section? This is the "smack" area btw

Wasn't aware that the rivalry section was purely the smack section. Just thought this was where rival fans should post regardless of content. Thanks for pointing that out. Considering that's the case, I'm sure the location of my post was a contributing factor in eliciting the type of reaction it did.

Showtime100
10-26-2007, 03:52 PM
Making a snide remark in your first post after you said you wouldn't in your first post wasn't a good move, either.

Second Honeymoon
10-26-2007, 03:53 PM
I think my OP was very tame. What was I supposed to do? Come in here, pucker up and kiss butt. Any perceived troll like statements were direct responses to comments by your fellow "members".

Almost my entire OP was filled with my recollections of the Oilers' days (recollections I foolishly thought we might share). Or is simply mentioning the Oilers considered a trolling maneuver. If that's the case, I guess I'm guilty as charged. But if you still claim to be fans of the Oilers, you probably shouldn't let your panties get in a bunch at the mere mention of them.

i hear ya but for a Titan fan to come to a Texan board and not expect a little guff would be pure idiocy. Yeah, yeah, we loved the Oilers too and we were emotionally attached to the team at a level not yet reached by the Texans franchise, but the Oilers wizzed in our cornflakes year after year....and then the owner wants a new stadium with taxpayer money, wants total control of concessions, and no tailgating. He let Lanier run him out of town because of his own inability to negotiate in good faith. Lanier was as much to blame as Bud but Bud could have actually negotiated face to face and not through PR events with JVille and Tennessee trying to force Lanier's hand.

At the end of the day, the Houston fans lost a little but stand to gain quite a bit with new ownership and new franchise. McNair has come out of the gate slow and really blew it with the whole David Carr love affair, but he will still end up a more positively reviewed owner than Bud ever was. Earl Campbell and Mike Holovak are the guys that deserve the credit for the 2 eras of quality Oiler football in the late 70s and late 80s-early 90s respectively. All Bud did was sign checks and be fat.

titanbuoy
10-26-2007, 03:57 PM
well your a tack fan so -negative points from me, HOWEVER you are a Bob & Dave fan so that makes you ok in my book.

Mr. Show = Greatest Show in History of Mankind

as for your apologist attitude towards Bud, I agree with some of it but at the end of the day, he left because he was a greedy bastard and he took the uniforms and name with him which was punkarse. Bud is fat. /discuss.

You my friend have great taste in comedy. I just finished watching the first season of The Sarah Silverman Program. Damn, it was great to see all of those familiar faces again. Granted it's not of the quality of Mr. Show, but it still made me chuckle mightily at times. Jay Johnston is still the same scene stealing goofball as ever. Just as with the Mr Show DVD's the commentary tracks were hilarious (again Jay at his goofy best).

Bud is greedy. Name me an NFL owner who isn't.

And remember "A lot of people think a lot of things about Hawaii" :)

Second Honeymoon
10-26-2007, 04:05 PM
You my friend have great taste in comedy. I just finished watching the first season of The Sarah Silverman Program. Damn, it was great to see all of those familiar faces again. Granted it's not of the quality of Mr. Show, but it still made me chuckle mightily at times. Jay Johnston is still the same scene stealing goofball as ever. Just as with the Mr Show DVD's the commentary tracks were hilarious (again Jay at his goofy best).

Bud is greedy. Name me an NFL owner who isn't.

And remember "A lot of people think a lot of things about Hawaii" :)

fyi - B&D have a series in the works for HBO. looks to be more sitcom-ish parody than sketch show supposedly.

but yeah the Sarah show is great and chock full of Mr.Show alumni.

make sure since you liked Mr.Show that you check out these shows too:
Wonder Showzen, Upright Citizens Brigade, Tom Goes To The Mayor/Tim & Eric's Great Show, and check YouTube for clips of Bob's FOX sketch show pilot from a few years ago called 'NEXT!'. The Pranksville USA sketch is uber.

back to football, Bud is still fat and the Titans will always be 'one yard short'.

if anyone can break the curse it would be VY, but I dont even think he can do it. i think its unbreakable.

Specnatz
10-26-2007, 04:07 PM
I think my OP was very tame. What was I supposed to do? Come in here, pucker up and kiss butt. Any perceived troll like statements were direct responses to comments by your fellow "members".

Almost my entire OP was filled with my recollections of the Oilers' days (recollections I foolishly thought we might share). Or is simply mentioning the Oilers considered a trolling maneuver. If that's the case, I guess I'm guilty as charged. But if you still claim to be fans of the Oilers, you probably shouldn't let your panties get in a bunch at the mere mention of them.


Blaming the fans in Houston for the Oilers leaving, even partly, and you wonder why you are met with any discourse? I thought Canada had an excellent education sytem, it is either they do not or you did not partake in it.

The Oilers are dead, you can remember the Oilers fondly without being a fan. We are fans of the Houston Texans, PERIOD!!

:texflag:

Second Honeymoon
10-26-2007, 04:14 PM
Blaming the fans in Houston for the Oilers leaving, even partly, and you wonder why you are met with any discourse? I thought Canada had an excellent education sytem, it is either they do not or you did not partake in it.

The Oilers are dead, you can remember the Oilers fondly without being a fan. We are fans of the Houston Texans, PERIOD!!

:texflag:

yup, you can't be a fan of something that doesnt exist anymore. once they moved, the Houston Oilers were no more.

we all WERE fans of the Houston Oilers and we loved that team but once they left Houston they were essentially dead to 95% of the fanbase. They probably gained a 5% surge when they drafted VY but that will go away as well. The Texans are here to stay and I think the Texans will see a Super Bowl before the Titans get another sniff of one. Youngest team in the league and still being competitive on a weekly basis. Things should turn around here soon, if not by the end of the year.

Texan_Bill
10-26-2007, 04:15 PM
I think my OP was very tame. What was I supposed to do? Come in here, pucker up and kiss butt. Any perceived troll like statements were direct responses to comments by your fellow "members".

Almost my entire OP was filled with my recollections of the Oilers' days (recollections I foolishly thought we might share). Or is simply mentioning the Oilers considered a trolling maneuver. If that's the case, I guess I'm guilty as charged. But if you still claim to be fans of the Oilers, you probably shouldn't let your panties get in a bunch at the mere mention of them.

It's not a trolling manuever, but be careful how you tread - is my advice. There are many, many passionate Oiler fans here (me included), so if you come - come correct!!

I will give you the benefit of the doubt though, because a little birdy (named Childress) told me that you were alright...

Second Honeymoon
10-26-2007, 04:16 PM
It's not a trolling manuever, but be careful how you tread - is my advice. There are many, many passionate Oiler fans here (me included), so if you come - come correct!!

I will give you the benefit of the doubt though, because a little birdy (named Childress) told me that you were alright...

did he call you on the Lawrence Marshall CLOBBER LINE!!??

ChildressTitanMan
10-26-2007, 04:20 PM
did he call you on the Lawrence Marshall CLOBBER LINE!!??

I always give Bill trade prices

Texan_Bill
10-26-2007, 04:25 PM
did he call you on the Lawrence Marshall CLOBBER LINE!!??
NICE!!!!


I always give Bill trade prices
You keep trying to rip me off!!!

Vinny
10-26-2007, 04:27 PM
I think my OP was very tame. What was I supposed to do? Come in here, pucker up and kiss butt. Any perceived troll like statements were direct responses to comments by your fellow "members".

Almost my entire OP was filled with my recollections of the Oilers' days (recollections I foolishly thought we might share). Or is simply mentioning the Oilers considered a trolling maneuver. If that's the case, I guess I'm guilty as charged. But if you still claim to be fans of the Oilers, you probably shouldn't let your panties get in a bunch at the mere mention of them.
They may have been how you remembered it, but you kinda just ran with some myths...and while it's a new subject to you (here), we have rehashed this for half a decade...endlessly. So, pardon us if it's like....gotten on our nerves.

The Oilers sold out for 7 straight years before Bud announced he would pull the plug. A decade earlier he threatened us with Jacksonville if the Dome wasn't redone...it's not like the fans didn't support the team like you were asserting. Once we knew the Oilers were toast in this town did you really expect us to fill the stadium? DB is right about how we are still paying for Bud's demands. The Oilers are gone but the taxpayers are still footing the bill that the Oiler fans from over yonder never had to pony up for.

Also, this area is the smack zone...so most stuff in here is kinda assumed to be smack...so take that fwiw.

titanbuoy
10-26-2007, 04:55 PM
fyi - B&D have a series in the works for HBO. looks to be more sitcom-ish parody than sketch show supposedly.

but yeah the Sarah show is great and chock full of Mr.Show alumni.

make sure since you liked Mr.Show that you check out these shows too:
Wonder Showzen, Upright Citizens Brigade, Tom Goes To The Mayor/Tim & Eric's Great Show, and check YouTube for clips of Bob's FOX sketch show pilot from a few years ago called 'NEXT!'. The Pranksville USA sketch is uber.

back to football, Bud is still fat and the Titans will always be 'one yard short'.

if anyone can break the curse it would be VY, but I dont even think he can do it. i think its unbreakable.

But Bud does have the best damn toupee in sports. On this I think we all can agree.

I'm quite familiar with every show you mentioned. Get out of my head dude! Are you a member of BUTM? It's a shadow of it's former self but it was once a great indie comedy site.

Sadly, there's never a "Bucket of Truth" around when you need one.

Blaming the fans in Houston for the Oilers leaving, even partly, and you wonder why you are met with any discourse? I thought Canada had an excellent education sytem, it is either they do not or you did not partake in it.

The Oilers are dead, you can remember the Oilers fondly without being a fan. We are fans of the Houston Texans, PERIOD!!

:texflag:

As for having the temerity to blame the Houston fans at least partially for the Oilers exit, I agree it's apt to not be popular, but it's been a decade and I thought by now people would be able to pony up and accept their share of the responsibility (be it ever so limited) for the team, and especially the Oilers name and history leaving town for good. It was the fan base of Cleveland that saved the Browns name and history, and Modell was every bit the assclown to Browns fans the Bud was to you in Houston, The fans there saw beyond the owner and realized that it was within there power to retain that history if they were willing to fight for it... that's something that the fans in Houston, for whatever reason, weren't able to achieve.

I realize this is debate and discussion you guys are likely to have had ad nausea, and again it was my intent to avoid getting into it. Even the above paragraph is a direct response to something and not an opinion I would have gone out of my way to share in my first day here at TT. I'm not so naive as to think I'm going to post some clever insight on here and you guys are all going to say "hey, you know what he's right, Bud isn't such a bad guy after all." :)

I was honestly hoping that someone would voice a similar disgust at the old steroid fueled Steelers that robbed both you and me of the chance at following the Oilers to the Super Bowl. Or perhaps vent a similar hatred towards old Sam Wyche and his clown suit wearing Bungals.

Anyhow guys (and gals?) I can see this thread has come pretty close to getting to the point of no return, so I'll go ahead and give up. Not to worry though I'll be back from time to time, but from nowon to do the expected and talk some smack.

Have a great weekend.

PS: Damn I miss those old Oilers jerseys
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h41/titanbuoy/Houston%20Oilers/BurroughK72Topps26.jpg

Blazing Arrow
10-26-2007, 05:40 PM
Titans will always be 'one yard short'.


Better then 8 games short ....

Blazing Arrow
10-26-2007, 05:50 PM
Once we knew the Oilers were toast in this town did you really expect us to fill the stadium?

Don't mean to jump in ... ok yeah I do but think of it this way:

If your wife got called up for active duty and there was a chance you would never see her again would you ditch out on her last days or support her as much as you could until the day she shipped out?

The players do not make the choices ..... don't buy concessions pill a bunch of people into a bus ... enjoy your last days ... just my take on it.

Double Barrel
10-26-2007, 05:51 PM
Wow, with the amount of vitriol and name calling spewed in that post it's funny that you accuse me of having no class. That's rich.

I never called you names and never said you had no class. You're good at pulling things out of your assumption.

I'm an avid reader and have read multiple books on the Oilers and the origins of the AFL. I've certainly read (and own) Fowler's POS book. I've also read Elvin Bethea's book Smash Mouth where he describes Fowler as a no talent hack who didn't have anything positive to say about the franchise or it's players during his entire career (in fact Bethea spat in Fowler's face during the last year of his career). You lapped up the BS in Fowler's book just like the good little dog you are.

What are you babbling on about? I never brought up those books. If you possessed as much knowledge as you profess you wouldn't sound as stupid in your recollection of Oilers history.

Some of us lived it. Others, I guess...read about it.

If you know, then you'd have a clue about Dud Adams. Obviously, you don't know and it is quite evident in your spewage.

But in your mind, you're right.

The Oilers, both the team and its history are alive and well and residing in Nashville Tennessee. Those are the facts, you can lie to yourself about it all you want, but that doesn't change the plain and undeniable truth. Just check the Titans record books and you'll see storied names like Bethea, Campbell, Munchak, Moon, Blanda and Hennigan. Check the Texans record book and you'll find "greats" like Carr, Davis, and Robinson... The truth may hurt broseph, but it is what it is.

The Oilers are dead, man. You're living in the past. Titans fans could give a rat's ass about Oilers history. Heck the Titans fans that post regularly on this board have made it well known (with the exception of BA who was a fan before the move...but he still won't embrace the history).

When did men named Bethea, Campbell, Munchak, Moon, Blanda and Hennigan play in Tennessee or in Titans unis? Never.

If the "Oilers" name was so sacred, why change it? There are no actual cardinals in Arizona or rams in St. Louis, so why wipe out the history of the Oilers' colors, logo, etc.? Do you honestly think that the Titans will ever do a retro jersey sporting the Oilers gear? Oh wait, Dud has tried to capitalize on "Luv Ya Blue", but I've read that Titans fans aren't too impressed with it. They did not live the history and have no emotional ties to it. I don't blame Titans fans. They're just like me and root for their local team. The move and killing off the Oilers is all on the owner.

I hope this whole bitterness thing works out for you buddy, because you wear it on your sleeve so damn well.

I'm not bitter. I'm just a realist about the history. Sometimes it's not a pretty picture to look at, but I'm not going to cover a dog turd with sprinkles and act like it doesn't smell like crap.

Geeez, tell me about it. I was trying to be honest about where I'm coming from and the guy jumps down my throat. I said I realized evrything I was saying was simply my perspective and that I was aware they had a different one yet Double Barrell flips the ***** switch. Oh well, it's good to know that when indeed I do decide to do a little trolling guys like DB will be an easy mark.

Good luck with all that. I don't fall for troll tactics or flame wars. Check my post history and you will find none of that in it.

I did notice your new "pity poor me" tactic, though, however transparent it might be. Soooo, you were trying "to be honest about where I'm coming from" by coming to a rival's message board and spewing that you hate the hometown team and blame the hometown fans for something beyond their control.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. :ok:

If you were "trying", then you failed miserably. Better luck next time.

I was honestly hoping that at least for this thread we could talk about the past that many of us have in common, instead of focusing on the things that we obviously have differences on.

Really? Is that all you were doing? Nice way to make friends. "HONESTLY!" <----that makes it true

I always try to insult people that I've just met to become friends with them....or not.

Meh, I guess if I were a fan of the Texans I'd be a tad edgy too.

There you go again. Which is it? Making friends or talking trash? You don't seem to be good at either.

As for having the temerity to blame the Houston fans at least partially for the Oilers exit, I agree it's apt to not be popular, but it's been a decade and I thought by now people would be able to pony up and accept their share of the responsibility (be it ever so limited) for the team, and especially the Oilers name and history leaving town for good. It was the fan base of Cleveland that saved the Browns name and history, and Modell was every bit the assclown to Browns fans the Bud was to you in Houston, The fans there saw beyond the owner and realized that it was within there power to retain that history if they were willing to fight for it... that's something that the fans in Houston, for whatever reason, weren't able to achieve.

This is just ignorance of NFL history. Dud has been the ONLY owner of the Oilers/Titans. The Browns history goes back a long time before Modell.

Dud would NEVER let Houston have the name/records no matter how much we pushed for it. It was a closed issue. How can you possibly blame the fans for a legality issue that was completely beyond our control? Can you comprehend this point? We never had it in our power to retain anything.

You are a troll and trying to play the martyr. But it doesn't work. You are obvious in your intentions, and then get hurt feelings when people recognize you for what you really are. Quit crying about it now. I would assume that you're a grown man and it's just sad to see.

In closing, I shall invoke Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law): I'm acting like a forum nazi. :cowboy1:

Kaiser Toro
10-26-2007, 07:50 PM
These are my favorite threads because they are nothing but virtual battles of attrition. I have nothing to add to them because I can not match the experience and pain that oozes through the virtual papyrus, via caffeined propelled phalanges, which tickle my medulla oblongata with every keystroke.

Carry on gentleman and fans of Dungeons & Dragons football.

Runner
10-26-2007, 07:53 PM
These are my favorite threads because they are nothing but virtual battles of attrition.

Attention. Virtual battles for attention.

Kaiser Toro
10-26-2007, 07:55 PM
Attention. Virtual battles for attention.

Very plausible. However, I am waiting for Mrs. Kaiser Toro to get dressed so that we can head to the Doobies Brothers concert and I can think of no better way to exhaust ten minutes.

Specnatz
10-26-2007, 08:03 PM
Don't mean to jump in ... ok yeah I do but think of it this way:

If your wife got called up for active duty and there was a chance you would never see her again would you ditch out on her last days or support her as much as you could until the day she shipped out?

The players do not make the choices ..... don't buy concessions pill a bunch of people into a bus ... enjoy your last days ... just my take on it.

Extremely bad analogy.

A better one would be your wife walks in says she is moving to a new city for a new guy. Would you really take her out for a nice dinner and a movie like nothing happened?

The being shipped out means that there would be a possibility of her coming home, but with the Oilers there was no chance. So why in the hell would you be nice and spend money on a piece of crap owner who just spit in your face and slapped your face?