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Sideline
10-25-2007, 06:57 PM
Off to see the Giants and Dolphins in London Town on Sunday, Cant wait to get in there for my second NFL game. Will be sporting my Texans colours though as you would expect.

Anybody going to be tuning into the game before the Texans game sunday?

TEXANS84
10-25-2007, 07:02 PM
Have fun Sideline.

Represent the Texans well!

Double Barrel
10-25-2007, 07:36 PM
Have fun, man! You might be the only Texans fan in the place, so REPRESENT! :texflag:

kastofsna
10-25-2007, 07:37 PM
yeah i'll be watching. believe it or not.

Double Barrel
10-25-2007, 09:10 PM
Anyone know what channel this one is on? I can't find it.

kastofsna
10-25-2007, 09:15 PM
fox

ubecool454
10-25-2007, 09:39 PM
Just watch the soccer hooligans get drunk and tear the place up. I hope this blows up in the NFLs faces. Just don't think its right for those Brits to get a regular season game. It seems only fair that if the NFL wanted to do this that the Germans should have been given the game since they have more of an appreciation for american football. I would think since 5 out of the 6 NFL europe teams were in that country. The Brits that come to this game are coming to get on american TV and show us that they can get drunker than us anytime. lol

ubecool454
10-25-2007, 09:43 PM
fox

I assume you are a fins fan. How do the majority fins fans feel about being shorted one home game? Or how do you feel about it. I guess they might not care much seeing how the fins are doing this season. Just wanted to get a opinion.

Double Barrel
10-25-2007, 09:58 PM
fox

World Series is on our local Fox affiliate.

I've looked at every channel in the guide, and I'm not seeing a listing.

NFL Follies on NFLN
Scrubs on NBC
Boston College game on ESPN
CSI on CBS
MLS on ESPN2

I can't believe we don't get it. idonno:

kastofsna
10-25-2007, 10:04 PM
http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-08-FOX1.html

kastofsna
10-25-2007, 10:05 PM
btw a lot of Phin fans were upset big time over the loss of the game when it was announced. haven't heard any complaining since then tho.

the good thign is that there's a lot of british dolphins fans (quite a few post on Finheaven), and they're going nuts over this. and the country as a whole is going huge about this game. so they're not just looking at it as a novelty, they're really interested in this.

tulexan
10-25-2007, 10:09 PM
World Series is on our local Fox affiliate.

I've looked at every channel in the guide, and I'm not seeing a listing.

NFL Follies on NFLN
Scrubs on NBC
Boston College game on ESPN
CSI on CBS
MLS on ESPN2

I can't believe we don't get it. idonno:

It's not a night game. It is the noon game.

Double Barrel
10-25-2007, 10:09 PM
http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-08-FOX1.html

d'oh! I thought it was a Thursday night game and have been looking for it live tonight! :brickwall:

Thanks for the heads up, though.

PapaL
10-25-2007, 10:12 PM
It's not a night game. It is the noon game.

I think he's looking right now as to what is on.

kastofsna
10-25-2007, 10:14 PM
yeah, the game is going on tonight, but England is ahead by 3 days, so we won't get it till Sunday. time zones are weeiirddd

PapaL
10-25-2007, 10:22 PM
yeah, the game is going on tonight, but England is ahead by 3 days, so we won't get it till Sunday. time zones are weeiirddd

Aw crap - i think my fantasy picks were due today then.

kastofsna
10-25-2007, 10:27 PM
dolphins winning big at the half. that's all i'll say!

Double Barrel
10-25-2007, 10:37 PM
heh, y'all almost had me there! :shades:

2BCF
10-26-2007, 12:30 AM
the good thign is that there's a lot of british dolphins fans (quite a few post on Finheaven), and they're going nuts over this. and the country as a whole is going huge about this game. so they're not just looking at it as a novelty, they're really interested in this.

Or it could just be Miami's Cheerleaders. :secret:

SheTexan
10-26-2007, 09:54 AM
Sideline, have a great time, and there's no doubt in my mind that you will represent our Texans well. BUT, I will have to say this, I HATE the idea of taking our boys across the big pond just to bleed the Brits out of their money! It's an AMERICAN game, and not fair to cheat American's out of a home game! IMHO, the NFL and it's owner's are greedy SOB's!!!

Kaiser Toro
10-26-2007, 10:11 AM
I do not agree with taking a regular season game over there. A friendly or exhibition is fine.

Kroenke and Kraft are leading the charge on this one. More than American Football is at stake here.

kastofsna
10-26-2007, 10:23 AM
i like the idea. just makes sense, business-wise.

powerfuldragon
10-26-2007, 10:25 AM
i like the idea. just makes sense, business-wise.

globalize your potential capital. logical.


what if these limey fans put us to shame with their loudness

kastofsna
10-26-2007, 10:27 AM
i doubt they'll be too passionate about the game.

gtexan02
10-26-2007, 10:28 AM
Its the dolphins. A winless team minus their starting QB, minus their #1 RB, minus their #1 WR, and minus their #1 defender. No one would be excited

powerfuldragon
10-26-2007, 10:30 AM
i doubt they'll be too passionate about the game.

they have better beer there.

kastofsna
10-26-2007, 10:37 AM
what beer do they serve at those venues.

powerfuldragon
10-26-2007, 10:40 AM
what beer do they serve at those venues.
probably budweiser, or whichever beer's the official beer of the NFL, but that's not where they'll get drunk. start a pubcrawl hours before the game starts, you'll be feeling awesome.

Double Barrel
10-26-2007, 10:50 AM
Just watch the soccer hooligans get drunk and tear the place up.

That will probably be more entertaining than the game! :popcorn:

HOU-TEX
10-26-2007, 10:53 AM
what beer do they serve at those venues.

This is off-topic, but do you think Zach Thomas will retire? This neck/head injury is becoming an on going thing isn't it? How serious is his injury?

I'm just curious :cool:

Hookem Horns
10-26-2007, 10:57 AM
Have fun Sideline! Root for my Giants! I'll be watching the game from here.

http://english.sabah.com.tr/2007/10/24/im/B9139FD463A90D48A30EC242b.jpg

ChildressTitanMan
10-26-2007, 11:10 AM
Just watch the soccer hooligans get drunk and tear the place up. I hope this blows up in the NFLs faces. Just don't think its right for those Brits to get a regular season game. It seems only fair that if the NFL wanted to do this that the Germans should have been given the game since they have more of an appreciation for american football. I would think since 5 out of the 6 NFL europe teams were in that country. The Brits that come to this game are coming to get on american TV and show us that they can get drunker than us anytime. lol

The NFL has a very strong & loyal following in the UK.

We never took to NFL Europe because as educated fans we were aware it was a sub par poor excuse for the real thing.The standard of play was awful & each team had a 90% roster turnover after every season. What was there to like about it.

There will be a lot of European fans at this game as well as English ones.

I don't know if it's a good idea or not.I can empathize with the American fans who've lost a home game.That certainly sucks.

IMO it's all about money.Spread the brand name & increase the TV rights,merchandising & marketing revenues. It won't succeed if the quality of the game is as poor as this weeks.

No one could predict the loss of Ronnie Brown or Zach Thomas but this has the makings of one of the worst Dolphins showings in team history.Not a great foundation to build a fan base on.

kastofsna
10-26-2007, 11:12 AM
Thomas should probably retire. and Jason Taylor could be moved.

hobie
10-26-2007, 11:16 AM
Have fun Sideline! Root for my Giants! I'll be watching the game from here.

http://english.sabah.com.tr/2007/10/24/im/B9139FD463A90D48A30EC242b.jpg

Your Giants?? All this time I thought they were my Giants...damn. Well regardless Sideline, have a great time. Not having a specific team to root for makes for a great time for sure..And wear them Texans colors proudly !!

ChildressTitanMan
10-26-2007, 11:32 AM
Dolphins player creates an impression.

Miami Dolphins linebacker Channing Crowder has admitted not knowing people speak English in London.

The NFL player might want to check a map before he gets on board a plane for Sunday's prestige game against the New York Giants at Wembley Stadium.

Crowder, who comes from Atlanta in Georgia, may be praised on the field, but confessed geography was not his strong point.

He admitted he did not know until now where London was - or that Londoners spoke English.

"I couldn't find London on a map if they didn't have the names of the countries," he said.

"I swear to God. I don't know what nothing is. I know Italy looks like a boot. I learned that."

Crowder added: "I know (Washington Redskins linebacker) London Fletcher. We did a football camp together. So I know him.

"That's the closest thing I know to London. He's black, so I'm sure he's not from London. I'm sure that's a coincidental name."

LMAO. Not a great start.

Errant Hothy
10-26-2007, 11:35 AM
Dolphins player creates an impression.



LMAO. Not a great start.

ZOMG!!! That's too funny. Dumbass.

kastofsna
10-26-2007, 11:35 AM
wait, London Fletcher is black?!?!?!!?!??!?!?!???!!!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Errant Hothy
10-26-2007, 11:40 AM
Didn't Channing score a 30 on the Wunderlic, and had a pretty good GPS at Florida?

Could this be a joke?

kastofsna
10-26-2007, 11:47 AM
yea it does sound a bit Onionish.

kastofsna
10-26-2007, 11:50 AM
actually found this on The Onion

http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/miami_dolphins_wonder_if

MIAMI—While preparing for their upcoming game in London against the New York Giants, the struggling Miami Dolphins spent most of the week's practices trying to answer questions concerning differences in the football itself, whether the gaps in a British line were numbered backwards, and whether or not England has end zones. "All right…I know when you cross the Atlantic that the strong side is the weak side and weak side is the strong side, so you drive down the opposite side of the field," said Dolphins quarterback Cleo Lemon, who confessed he was concerned about the team's two-minute drill since he was not sure of the length of the British minute. "But, if I'm right-handed, I don't have to throw with my left, do I? And how do we get first downs since they don't have yards over there? I knew I should have watched NFL Europe when it was still on." Lemon added that he was worried that the ball would spiral in the opposite direction in England, although the coaches had reassured him he was thinking of Australia.

powerfuldragon
10-26-2007, 11:59 AM
"That's the closest thing I know to London. He's black, so I'm sure he's not from London. I'm sure that's a coincidental name."

ha.

The Pencil Neck
10-26-2007, 12:06 PM
http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-08-FOX1.html

Is the Giants/Dolphins the green or the red? I can't tell.

Texan_Bill
10-26-2007, 12:10 PM
Miami Dolphins linebacker Channing Crowder has admitted not knowing people speak English in London.

The NFL player might want to check a map before he gets on board a plane for Sunday's prestige game against the New York Giants at Wembley Stadium.

Crowder, who comes from Atlanta in Georgia, may be praised on the field, but confessed geography was not his strong point.

He admitted he did not know until now where London was - or that Londoners spoke English.

"I couldn't find London on a map if they didn't have the names of the countries," he said.

"I swear to God. I don't know what nothing is. I know Italy looks like a boot. I learned that."

Crowder added: "I know (Washington Redskins linebacker) London Fletcher. We did a football camp together. So I know him.

"That's the closest thing I know to London. He's black, so I'm sure he's not from London. I'm sure that's a coincidental name."

That really doesn't bode well for FU...

GlassHalfFull
10-26-2007, 12:10 PM
Yesterday's Debriefing addressed this very topic. Click on the title to read the whole article. It is hilarious.

The Debriefing: Helping the Brits Transition to American Football (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/10/25/the-debriefing-helping-the-brits-transition-to-american-footbal/#cont)

Physical contact. This is going to seem very strange, but sometimes, in American football, opposing players will touch each other, and when they do, neither of them will go flailing to the ground as if they've just been shot in the neck with a high-powered rifle. This will be the biggest adjustment for you.

Knowing when the game ends. Your game lasts 90 minutes, and you're usually home in two hours ... our game lasts 60 minutes, and you'll be lucky to be home in 3 and a half hours. I'm actually on your side with this one ... the NFL should go to two 60-minute halves in which the clock runs non-stop.

But there's another clock issue. We do this weird thing where we have our clock count downwards instead of upwards, so that players and fans don't have to be good at subtraction (this comes in very handy for Jeremy Shockey) and guessing to know how much time is left.

And even more baffling then that, the players stop playing when the clock hits a certain point. In the case of this game, the game will end when the clock shows 0:00 at the end of the final quarter. And I mean precisely then, unlike the British soccer method of, "Eh, we'll stop the game somewhere depending on 45:00 and 50:00, depending on how things are going."

drewmar74
10-26-2007, 12:11 PM
From the USA Today:

But for those on the ground, breaking new NFL trails, such as Fox NFL reporter Tony Siragusa, the mission has risks. "I'm lying in bed and my feet are hanging 2 feet over, it's so small," says Siragusa, 6-4 and 340 pounds. "In showers, I have one leg out. Everything here is, like, miniature. I'm in Wonka land."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/hiestand-tv/2007-10-25-hiestand-weekend_N.htm

Uh, I would think that almost everything would too freakin' small for Tony Siragusa....

spurstexanstros
10-26-2007, 12:21 PM
Have yall seen how pissed off Jerry Jones is at the idea of the league making all its teams play abroad? He is bent , he said there is no way the Cowboys will loose a home game. He doesnt want to loose his money to make the league better. It show why we here in SA do not have a team because it would take away from his fanbase and if the NFL goes global(like the NBA) then people in Europe might not buy as many Cowboys Jersies. Man .... Jerry are they gonna have to pry your last dollar out of your cold dead hand?

Tight wad. This is the NFL not the National teams who play the Cowboys league.

kastofsna
10-26-2007, 01:03 PM
Is the Giants/Dolphins the green or the red? I can't tell.
colorblind eh. miami is red

Sideline
10-26-2007, 01:16 PM
Thanks guys, I will be representing do not worry, really looking forward to the game should be great.

I can totally understand where you guys are coming from with losing a game, and I do agree that it is wrong that teams should lose a regular season game to another country and I also think most British fans do realize the same however when we are presented with this game in our lap, we may as well take it up.

I have to say that while this is America’s game I think it’s very wrong to think that there will be no noise and people are going just to get on “American TV”. While Football may not be the country’s sport in general there are fans like myself who have been brought up on the game just like many of you, their are many hardcore and very well educated fans over here and ALOT of them. Many may have never been to an NFL game before, so whoever is playing, wherever they are playing we will go and see, and we will love it, for the chance to be watching the NFL not just to get on "American TV"

I promise you that stadium will be noisy beyond belief, and I wouldn’t put it past the Dolphins to sneak a win here, although a regular season game this is unlike any other in my opinion, different country, different city, different fans, it will have an atmosphere where a winless team may be able to just sneak a win.

I’ll be taking my camera down to London with me so will post the photographs on the internet when I return.

Texan_Bill
10-26-2007, 01:23 PM
Thanks guys, I will be representing do not worry, really looking forward to the game should be great.

I can totally understand where you guys are coming from with losing a game, and I do agree that it is wrong that teams should lose a regular season game to another country and I also think most British fans do realize the same however when we are presented with this game in our lap, we may as well take it up.

I have to say that while this is America’s game I think it’s very wrong to think that there will be no noise and people are going just to get on “American TV”. While Football may not be the country’s sport in general there are fans like myself who have been brought up on the game just like many of you, their are many hardcore and very well educated fans over here and ALOT of them. Many may have never been to an NFL game before, so whoever is playing, wherever they are playing we will go and see, and we will love it, for the chance to be watching the NFL not just to get on "American TV"

I promise you that stadium will be noisy beyond belief, and I wouldn’t put it past the Dolphins to sneak a win here, although a regular season game this is unlike any other in my opinion, different country, different city, different fans, it will have an atmosphere where a winless team may be able to just sneak a win.

I’ll be taking my camera down to London with me so will post the photographs on the internet when I return.

Yeah, yeah... I'm sure your concerned.... J/K :sarcasm:


The New Wembley stadium holds like 90,000 - right?? That should be loud..


On a side note, I have the Texans first game (against Dallas 19-10) on tape, and after the game, the local news here interviewed a contingency from England that was here to scout out our then - new stadium... The English guys were extremely impressed.. It was at a time when London was having problems getting funding the for the new stadium and one guy said, "if we could have brought everyone over to see this stadium (Reliant), that they would have had no issue getting it approved" -or- something to that effect.

The Pencil Neck
10-26-2007, 01:34 PM
colorblind eh. miami is red

Yes. Thank you.

Maddict5
10-26-2007, 08:16 PM
alright one question- is that channing crowder interview fake? seriously if it isnt, that has to be the funniest interview ever. period.

btw- i know ye might be pissed that ye might lose a game but screw y'all if you think we dont deserve it. remember we're the ones that often stay up til 5 am on a monday morning to watch, despite being like zombies on mondays with only 3 hrs sleep max before college/work..

tulexan
10-26-2007, 08:25 PM
Have yall seen how pissed off Jerry Jones is at the idea of the league making all its teams play abroad? He is bent , he said there is no way the Cowboys will loose a home game. He doesnt want to loose his money to make the league better. It show why we here in SA do not have a team because it would take away from his fanbase and if the NFL goes global(like the NBA) then people in Europe might not buy as many Cowboys Jersies. Man .... Jerry are they gonna have to pry your last dollar out of your cold dead hand?

Tight wad. This is the NFL not the National teams who play the Cowboys league.

I saw that on Sportscenter. Then Wayne Huizenga said that Jerry has no choice if the league votes to do it.

drewmar74
10-26-2007, 08:28 PM
remember we're the ones that often stay up til 5 am on a monday morning to watch, despite being like zombies on mondays with only 3 hrs sleep max before college/work..

Dude... that's hardcore right there! :bowdown:

Maddict5
10-27-2007, 04:09 AM
Dude... that's hardcore right there! :bowdown:

its alright, it works itself out- sleep monday evening then wake up and watch TMF (tuesday morning football) :)
malloy's even worse.. hes another hr later than us even:gun:

Sideline
10-27-2007, 06:21 AM
its alright, it works itself out- sleep monday evening then wake up and watch TMF (tuesday morning football) :)
malloy's even worse.. hes another hr later than us even:gun:

Ahhh the joys of staying up untill 5am two days in a row, sometimes 3 If theres a college game I fancy watching on.

The one good thing about it is there is no hassle from the girlfriend for watching too much football as shes asleep at the time.

Texans_Chick
10-27-2007, 12:53 PM
Here's the argument of why it is wrong to have a regular season game in London:

The Prelude Week 8-Goodell's International Folly (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/fanhouse/2007/10/26/the-prelude-week-8-goodells-international-folly/)

It's funny in parts.

Hookem Horns
10-27-2007, 01:06 PM
Here's the argument of why it is wrong to have a regular season game in London:

The Prelude Week 8-Goodell's International Folly (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/fanhouse/2007/10/26/the-prelude-week-8-goodells-international-folly/)

It's funny in parts.

Personally I don't like it. Preseason is fine however regular season is another story. I am not shy by admitting the Giants are my "other" team and as a fan of them I don't like the fact that they have go play outside an NFL venue.

Also, something no one else has mentioned is the fact that Britain has a lot of home grown Muslim extremist (Sideline, correct me if I am wrong there, however the media over here makes one believe that). In this situation they don't have to go very far to try to make a statement against the US. I am sure the stadium will be real secure however I hope security is real tight around the players and where they are staying.

kastofsna
10-27-2007, 01:25 PM
plenty of muslim extremists in tampa, too

Maddict5
10-27-2007, 01:45 PM
Personally I don't like it. Preseason is fine however regular season is another story. I am not shy by admitting the Giants are my "other" team and as a fan of them I don't like the fact that they have go play outside an NFL venue.

Also, something no one else has mentioned is the fact that Britain has a lot of home grown Muslim extremist (Sideline, correct me if I am wrong there, however the media over here makes one believe that). In this situation they don't have to go very far to try to make a statement against the US. I am sure the stadium will be real secure however I hope security is real tight around the players and where they are staying.

channing crowder tell you that?

Hookem Horns
10-27-2007, 02:01 PM
channing crowder tell you that?

No the American media, which there is probably not much of a difference.

tulexan
10-27-2007, 02:02 PM
What do Muslim extremists have to do with anything? I'm sure there are more murders in New Orleans than in London, and that isn't stopping the NFL from playing games there.

Vinny
10-27-2007, 02:08 PM
What do Muslim extremists have to do with anything? I'm sure there are more murders in New Orleans than in London, and that isn't stopping the NFL from playing games there.If you listen to the Government we are at "war" currently. It's not like we aren't occupying a sovereign Nation ridding the world of their weapons of mass destruction that doesn't exist....I'm sure there is a bit of resentment in Europe. I hope a rocket launcher doesn't find the team plane myself.

Speedy
10-27-2007, 02:55 PM
i like the idea. just makes sense, business-wise.

Is it smart business to alienate the customers that make your business? You can have exhibition games across the pond to make an extra buck off of merchandise, but taking your business away from the people who make it, doesn't seem very business-wise to me.

I don't think you're going to get the same globalization of American football as say, basketball. At least not if you just play a regular season game or 2 overseas once a year. Basketball takes around the globe because other countries have pro basketball leagues. People around the world play basketball, not the case for American football and I really don't see that happening when soccer is so big and much easier to play, as is basketball. Football is big here because it's OUR game. It's huge at the pro level, it's huge at the college level, it's huge at the high school level, and it's even pretty big below the high school level, pee-wee, Pop Warner and such.

If the NFL wants to expand their product, maybe they should help get an overseas professional league started, using people from whatever country they do it in, instead of using 4th string American players that not even I would watch, to help build the interest up in the game much like the MLS is trying to do here for soccer.

I think that would be much better business-wise, than them taking our game away from us.

Maddict5
10-27-2007, 03:18 PM
If you listen to the Government we are at "war" currently. It's not like we aren't occupying a sovereign Nation ridding the world of their weapons of mass destruction that doesn't exist....I'm sure there is a bit of resentment in Europe. I hope a rocket launcher doesn't find the team plane myself.


come on man, thats ridiculous.. they survive at the tokyo bowl right and america isnt exactly popular over there

Vinny
10-27-2007, 04:04 PM
Last time I checked, Tokyo wasn't in Europe and didn't have a base of Muslim fanatics....whom we are supposedly at war with. I don't feel too much American hatred from Japan myself. Europe is a different story.

tulexan
10-27-2007, 04:13 PM
come on man, thats ridiculous.. they survive at the tokyo bowl right and america isnt exactly popular over there

Ridiculous is right. London is a very safe city with some of the best anti-terror intelligence in the world. There weren't any issues at the Athens Olympics either, which is even closer to all of the Muslim extremists who hate the US.

Buffi2
10-27-2007, 05:04 PM
Is it smart business to alienate the customers that make your business? You can have exhibition games across the pond to make an extra buck off of merchandise, but taking your business away from the people who make it, doesn't seem very business-wise to me.

I agree. Taking games away from those who have supported these teams for eons is an egregious idea. If more money is what Goodell wants - then he needs to go to a Plan B cuz Plan A is going to cause a whole bunch of fan anger which will cost money.

PapaL
10-27-2007, 05:17 PM
Didn't Channing score a 30 on the Wunderlic, and had a pretty good GPS at Florida?

Could this be a joke?

I'm faily sure his GPS is broken since he can't find London. His GPA might be a different story though.

Maddict5
10-27-2007, 08:32 PM
Last time I checked, Tokyo wasn't in Europe and didn't have a base of Muslim fanatics....whom we are supposedly at war with.

lmao, fine man

vinny's idea of london welcoming the dolphins at heathrow:

http://pamela.poole.free.fr/frogblog/wp-content/2007/03/burning.jpg

Hervoyel
10-27-2007, 08:46 PM
Have yall seen how pissed off Jerry Jones is at the idea of the league making all its teams play abroad? He is bent , he said there is no way the Cowboys will loose a home game. He doesnt want to loose his money to make the league better. It show why we here in SA do not have a team because it would take away from his fanbase and if the NFL goes global(like the NBA) then people in Europe might not buy as many Cowboys Jersies. Man .... Jerry are they gonna have to pry your last dollar out of your cold dead hand?

Tight wad. This is the NFL not the National teams who play the Cowboys league.

I'm with "The Mummy" on this one. Playing a game abroad does not make the league better. Exporting the NFL game to Europe, Canada, or Mexico does not make the league better. It makes it bigger and maybe, if it works the way they expect it to then it might make the owners richer because we all know that they "need" more money right?

If I owned an NFL team I'd be right beside Jerry Jones on this one.

Maddict5
10-27-2007, 09:13 PM
I'm with "The Mummy" on this one. Playing a game abroad does not make the league better. Exporting the NFL game to Europe, Canada, or Mexico does not make the league better. It makes it bigger and maybe, if it works the way they expect it to then it might make the owners richer because we all know that they "need" more money right?

If I owned an NFL team I'd be right beside Jerry Jones on this one.

what harm does exporting a miniscule number of games do?
look at the possible benefits: NFL becomes more popular worldwide, more young kids follow and play it, you end up with bigger revenues, bigger fanbases and a bigger pool of talent to pick from (top international kids) meaning the standard of the game will improve... tell me again how that doesnt make the game better??

(granted thats is an optimistic outlook on this.. but the benefits very much outweigh the possible harm)

ubecool454
10-27-2007, 09:44 PM
what beer do they serve at those venues.

probably german beer:cool:

ubecool454
10-27-2007, 10:04 PM
Have yall seen how pissed off Jerry Jones is at the idea of the league making all its teams play abroad? He is bent , he said there is no way the Cowboys will loose a home game. He doesnt want to loose his money to make the league better. It show why we here in SA do not have a team because it would take away from his fanbase and if the NFL goes global(like the NBA) then people in Europe might not buy as many Cowboys Jersies. Man .... Jerry are they gonna have to pry your last dollar out of your cold dead hand?

Tight wad. This is the NFL not the National teams who play the Cowboys league.

I think San Antonio's biggest problem with landing a NFL team is not only the cowboys, but you are less than 200 miles from Houston. Another problem with SA having a team...can you compete with the Texas Longhorns for fan support. I think if San Antonio had a team and they got off to a slow start like the Texans have, do you have the people in SA that will still come to the games? I really think San Antonio is big enough to support the spurs, but to support a NFL team even thru the hard times, i'm just not sure san antonio could do it for the long haul.

Texans_Chick
10-27-2007, 10:27 PM
I'm with "The Mummy" on this one. Playing a game abroad does not make the league better. Exporting the NFL game to Europe, Canada, or Mexico does not make the league better. It makes it bigger and maybe, if it works the way they expect it to then it might make the owners richer because we all know that they "need" more money right?

If I owned an NFL team I'd be right beside Jerry Jones on this one.

Agreed. It is basically saying money is worth more than your fans.

There's plenty of communities in the United States that would like an NFL team, but screw them, let's spread football to places where it's a curiousity.

And at least one fan base a year will get screwed out of a home game. And probably both teams involved will have a post-outta country let down. There are probably few things as distracting as playing an out of country game. Can you imagine how sore you would get playing an all out game, and then having to get into a airplane seat for 8 hours? And they have to hope they have no medical events that occur over the Atlantic.

Hervoyel
10-27-2007, 10:49 PM
what harm does exporting a miniscule number of games do?
look at the possible benefits: NFL becomes more popular worldwide, more young kids follow and play it, you end up with bigger revenues, bigger fanbases and a bigger pool of talent to pick from (top international kids) meaning the standard of the game will improve... tell me again how that doesnt make the game better??

(granted thats is an optimistic outlook on this.. but the benefits very much outweigh the possible harm)

Maybe I'm "odd" but I don't feel any kind of "need" to see the NFL expand further. 32 teams is a lot of teams. Teams playing in Toronto (They've got the CFL in Canada) and Mexico City (If they want an American football league they can create one of their own) don't interest me. Teams giving up a home game to go play in Europe where this sport is never going to truly take off seems like a waste of effort to me. As for the NFL expanding to cities in other countries I say "Isn't this the "NATIONAL" football league? Don't we already have 5-6 teams in any given season making do with really lousy quarterbacking or no running backs to speak of (looking at you guys Green and Dayne)? Why would we want 36 teams or 40 teams and diminish the level of play even further? Don't we already have college football for that? Why move it to Mexico and Canada and start paying them to play? Can't we just do that with Oklahoma and USC?

Now I know what you're going to say, "What makes you think that the NFL will never take off in Europe?" and here's my response. Look at baseball or basketball which have both made a huge impact overseas. Look at the people playing the sport. In baseball they're normal size guys (no, don't look at Barroid Bonds) and what do you need to play baseball? A stick and a ball. Gloves help but it's not like it's an equipment intensive sport. Now look at basketball. Every country has some tall guys and all you need is a ball and a basket.

Now look at the most popular sport on the planet. Soccer only needs a ball and if you can walk you can play soccer badly.

Now look at American football. Look at the guys playing this sport. Look at the size and athletic ability of the people playing on the lines. Yes every country has big muscular guys but as we learn every year being big and muscular doesn't make you a LT. Look at the equipment needed to play this game just "moderately dangerously" (forget about safely, that's an illusion). Sure you can play the game without all that equipment and with ordinary size athletic guys. That's called "Rugby" and guess what? Most of the world already has that.

They don't need American football, they don't particularly seem to want American football, and they would take forever starting today with moderate to intense exposure to the American game to get even remotely up to speed at it on a high school level much less in anything more advanced than that.

I don't think the NFL translates to the rest of the world like MLB or NBA does. I don't think it ever will. I think that an occasional game overseas is a thing of interest but any sort of regular exposure is going to be like putting a team in Jacksonville. Sure they're going to be fired up at first but eventually those tarps are going to come out and people are going to start talking about moving those games to Los Angeles.

Most of all, and this is just me. I don't want to see American football played all over the world. Not as an export like McDonald's or Coca Cola. They can catch it on television if they're so inclined and if they want to start playing it then fine, start playing it. Just leave my sport alone. I won't start asking for the UK to bring Cricket matches over here or for Japan to export Sumo if they'll leave my NFL schedule alone.

Maybe I'm just the grumpy old man who doesn't like change but I don't like the idea of the NFL getting bigger. Enough is enough. they make billions of dollars every year. Why do they need more? Why do they need to expand? Why can't they be happy with the ridiculous money and attention they already get. Must they hold Rome hostage and make them renovate "their" Coliseum?

kastofsna
10-27-2007, 11:11 PM
Is it smart business to alienate the customers that make your business? You can have exhibition games across the pond to make an extra buck off of merchandise, but taking your business away from the people who make it, doesn't seem very business-wise to me.
except the business is so strong that you're alienating no one. they're trying to build the sport internationally. they can sacrifice a few bucks states-side if necessary to gain any sort of fanbase overseas. they're looking towards the future, and one regular season game overseas isn't going to lose any fans over here.

texasguy346
10-28-2007, 12:43 AM
Great post Herv! I'd rep you but I must spread it around it seems.

Maddict5
10-28-2007, 08:21 AM
Maybe I'm "odd" but I don't feel any kind of "need" to see the NFL expand further. 32 teams is a lot of teams. Teams playing in Toronto (They've got the CFL in Canada) and Mexico City (If they want an American football league they can create one of their own) don't interest me. Teams giving up a home game to go play in Europe where this sport is never going to truly take off seems like a waste of effort to me. As for the NFL expanding to cities in other countries I say "Isn't this the "NATIONAL" football league? Don't we already have 5-6 teams in any given season making do with really lousy quarterbacking or no running backs to speak of (looking at you guys Green and Dayne)? Why would we want 36 teams or 40 teams and diminish the level of play even further? Don't we already have college football for that? Why move it to Mexico and Canada and start paying them to play? Can't we just do that with Oklahoma and USC?

first of all, i dont know many that want to see overseas team (or 36 teams etc) and i dont think it will ever happen.. im just talking about taking a couple games overseas as a reward to nfl fans outside of america... it doesnt need to 'truly take off' as long as its popularity steadily continues to grow and the stadiums continue to sell out (and considering wembley could've still been filled at least 6 times over eventhough a 0-7 team is involved would indicate it will)

and the 2nd part of your paragraph only reinforces what i was saying about the need for more quality players in the league- some of which could come from abroad

Now I know what you're going to say, "What makes you think that the NFL will never take off in Europe?" and here's my response. Look at baseball or basketball which have both made a huge impact overseas. Look at the people playing the sport. In baseball they're normal size guys (no, don't look at Barroid Bonds) and what do you need to play baseball? A stick and a ball. Gloves help but it's not like it's an equipment intensive sport. Now look at basketball. Every country has some tall guys and all you need is a ball and a basket.

Now look at the most popular sport on the planet. Soccer only needs a ball and if you can walk you can play soccer badly. whatever, if you can walk you cant play nfl badly too??

Now look at American football. Look at the guys playing this sport. Look at the size and athletic ability of the people playing on the lines. Yes every country has big muscular guys but as we learn every year being big and muscular doesn't make you a LT. Look at the equipment needed to play this game just "moderately dangerously" (forget about safely, that's an illusion). Sure you can play the game without all that equipment and with ordinary size athletic guys. That's called "Rugby" and guess what? Most of the world already has that.

dont watch much rugby right.. there are excellent athletes in international rugby.. how many nfl players can run into each other for 80 minutes with 1 break and no pads/protection (now thats dangerous).. now what if some young players in the future decided to try play nfl instead of rugby thanks to the increased exposure of the sport through the international games?

They don't need American football, they don't particularly seem to want American football, and they would take forever starting today with moderate to intense exposure to the American game to get even remotely up to speed at it on a high school level much less in anything more advanced than that.

I don't think the NFL translates to the rest of the world like MLB or NBA does. I don't think it ever will. I think that an occasional game overseas is a thing of interest but any sort of regular exposure is going to be like putting a team in Jacksonville. Sure they're going to be fired up at first but eventually those tarps are going to come out and people are going to start talking about moving those games to Los Angeles.

Most of all, and this is just me. I don't want to see American football played all over the world. Not as an export like McDonald's or Coca Cola. They can catch it on television if they're so inclined and if they want to start playing it then fine, start playing it. Just leave my sport alone:gun: . I won't start asking for the UK to bring Cricket matches over here or for Japan to export Sumo if they'll leave my NFL schedule alone.

what will we do thats so horrible to your sport.. i wonder where that insular american stereotype comes from eh? those 3 paragraphs are all your personal opinion which many including the commish and most owners must disagree with.. just remember we weren't asking for the game- that was the nfl's decision based on the support they saw


:fans:

Hervoyel
10-28-2007, 10:14 AM
Look dude I don't really care if you want a few NFL games to be played overseas and I don't care if the sport gets any bigger or more popular than it already is. I think I spelled that out in the one paragraph that you conveniently forgot to quote.

Maybe I'm just the grumpy old man who doesn't like change but I don't like the idea of the NFL getting bigger. Enough is enough. they make billions of dollars every year. Why do they need more? Why do they need to expand? Why can't they be happy with the ridiculous money and attention they already get. Must they hold Rome hostage and make them renovate "their" Coliseum?

They'll do it, games will be played overseas, and the NFL will expand it's fanbase. They'll start playing random Super Bowls in other countries too and I'm against that also. What does it matter if I don't like the idea and that I'm not in favor of it? Nothing I do or say will impact their decision to take home games away from the teams fans and put them on television. Hell the NFL already has priced most of the best seats out of the range of the common fan (Love that money!) so the fans should just be happy we put it on free TV for them (until we decide to put it on pay per view (Love that money!). Then they can price the broadcast out of some fans budget too.

Re-read my above quoted paragraph again because that's how I'll end this post too., Maybe I'm just a grumpy old man who doesn't like change.

kastofsna
10-28-2007, 10:23 AM
yes, you certainly are.

as for the prices being out of the common fan's range, well, isn't just about every game sold out these days? it'd be hard to use that argument in court when the NFL could just point to the weekly sellouts, and that's with extremely high TV ratings as well.

i just don't see the issue with the NFL wanting more fans. all you've said this entire time was that the NFL needs to focus on the fans, well, what about getting MORE fans? they put a franchise in Houston so they can have MORE fans. they're not playing a game in London for a quick buck, they're doing it to get MORE fans.

Hervoyel
10-28-2007, 10:46 AM
For the record I said that the prices for the best seats were out of the common fans range. I didn't say you couldn't get in the stadium. With high TV ratings and sellout games almost everywhere as the NFL does things as they've always done them I don't see what's not working with the status quo.

I just don't see the need for it and probably never will.

Vinny
10-28-2007, 01:11 PM
Great atmosphere at the game so far. Dolphins have a huge london following....lotta limeys vacation in florida - it's close and disneyworld is there

ATX
10-28-2007, 01:15 PM
Great atmosphere at the game so far. Dolphins have a huge london following....lotta limeys vacation in florida - it's close and disneyworld is there

True, but I'd say the same about NY.

Vinny
10-28-2007, 01:18 PM
True, but I'd say the same about NY.

the Giants don't have near the fans that the Dolphins seem to have from that part of the world.

ATX
10-28-2007, 01:27 PM
the Giants don't have near the fans that the Dolphins seem to have from that part of the world.

Wonder why. NYC is by far the largest destination for Londoners.

Hookem Horns
10-28-2007, 01:27 PM
Great atmosphere at the game so far. Dolphins have a huge london following....lotta limeys vacation in florida - it's close and disneyworld is there

Is the game on in Houston? I am watching it on Sunday Ticket. They are showing the Bears/Lions game here.

GlassHalfFull
10-28-2007, 01:30 PM
Wonder why. NYC is by far the largest destination for Londoners.

Somebody said it earlier, but Brits love to travel to Florida and visit Disney World.

Is the game on in Houston? I am watching it on Sunday Ticket. They are showing the Bears/Lions game here.

Yes, it is on in Houston

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
10-28-2007, 01:30 PM
The game is on Fox.

travfrancis
10-28-2007, 01:31 PM
Good observation Vinny, my cousin lives in Florida and she married a Brit. Although they are Jax Jaguars fans but still I think you're onto something there.

Vinny
10-28-2007, 01:34 PM
Wonder why. NYC is by far the largest destination for Londoners.
donno...all I know is that I've kept up with various teams mb's and fan bases over the years and the Dolphins have a really large Brit base.

Game is on FOX in Houston....pretty good atmosphere.

tulexan
10-28-2007, 01:40 PM
Stadium looks great. I've been to the old wembley stadium, but this looks much better.

GlassHalfFull
10-28-2007, 01:43 PM
The crowd is doing the wave. LOL

Is the wave universal, or just a US thing normally?

ATX
10-28-2007, 02:05 PM
Somebody said it earlier, but Brits love to travel to Florida and visit Disney World.


True, but its got to be more than that because more Brits visit NYC than any other city in the US.

Vinny
10-28-2007, 02:09 PM
True, but its got to be more than that because more Brits visit NYC than any other city in the US.
sure...but I was just making a general statement...I wasn't trying to define every single reason why the Fins have a large Brit contingent...I've just noticed it was a bigger following than other teams and I threw out a couple of reasons.

ATX
10-28-2007, 02:15 PM
sure...but I was just making a general statement...I wasn't trying to define every single reason why the Fins have a large Brit contingent...I've just noticed it was a bigger following than other teams and I threw out a couple of reasons.

Oh I know....just curious as to the reasons thats all. Wonder who has the largest following.

Hookem Horns
10-28-2007, 03:29 PM
GEEZ! The receivers are killing Eli today.

GlassHalfFull
10-28-2007, 03:31 PM
The rain is killing the passing game. Don't you know Goodall is having fits. He had to want a wide open scoring extravaganza, to show the brits that our football is more exciting to watch than their football.:gun:

The1ApplePie
10-28-2007, 03:36 PM
The rain is killing the passing game. Don't you know Goodall is having fits. He had to want a wide open scoring extravaganza, to show the brits that our football is more exciting to watch than their football.:gun:

And, they get the friggin Dolphins!

Hookem Horns
10-28-2007, 03:38 PM
Jacobs is a beast. I love that guy.

Hookem Horns
10-28-2007, 03:42 PM
For heaven's sake. Someone get Toomer off the field. He is killing the Giants.

Dread-Head
10-28-2007, 03:49 PM
I envy those of you who were able to go. But DANG that had to be the slipperiest feild I've EVER seen anyone play on. I've never seen anyone slide seven yards after a tackle with a mild hit like in today's game. Did it ever STOP raining?

kastofsna
10-28-2007, 04:06 PM
good game. happy for Ted Ginn to get his first TD. Jesse Chatman looks to be just fine in that starting role. Miami still can't stop the run, though.

Maddict5
10-28-2007, 04:18 PM
good game. happy for Ted Ginn to get his first TD. Jesse Chatman looks to be just fine in that starting role. Miami still can't stop the run, though.


what were you watching?? that was ugly as hell.. cleo was terrible apart from 2-3 nice throws and ginn's tg pass.. chatman and jacobs (and both o-lines played pretty well though)

kastofsna
10-28-2007, 04:46 PM
ugly, but good. Miami's pass defense was really good. several deep passes that they broke up, which i haven't seen them do in a looong time.

mattieuk
10-29-2007, 07:53 AM
Quite possibly the best sporting day out I've ever had (despite the slightly less than perfect conditions). I can't imagine any of the fans who were in the stadium would've been going home dissapointed (ok, it was a poor game to watch, but in fairness I'd rather a game going down to the last couple of possessions than a total blowout, as we'd have seen if it'd been dry). Wembley Stadium is absolutely stunning (the old ground was amazing, but I was literally breathless with my first time inside the new ground).

On the issue of Miami giving up a home game and the match atmosphere. I think that seeing the support Miami were getting (a hell of a lot of Fins were there, and it seemed most neutrals were siding with them), whilst it obviously wasn't anything like a normal home atmosphere, I think the fans were loud, involved and genuinely having a great time.

As for someone saying about ticket pricing, sure it was always gonig to be pricey, but it wasn't extortionate. I was at at the front of the top tier, at one of the ends, and got a fantastic view for £45, which I would happily pay again if we ever got another match.

And on a Texan's hunting note, (besides meself), I saw one Texans shirt, and one Texans cap being worn all day...perhaps moving a game away from the Relliant next year to drum up a fanbase over here ;) No? Ok then...

Overall, fantastic. Thanks NFL, Dolphins, Giants and the cheerleaders :)

kastofsna
10-29-2007, 09:54 AM
the locals were going nuts at the end there, they really wanted Miami to score. it was cool.

Texan_Bill
10-29-2007, 09:59 AM
YO Sideline.... we are waiting for you to post some pictures from the game. I want to see you sporting your Texans gear amidst all the other fans...


90,000+ Great job Limeys!!!

powerfuldragon
10-29-2007, 11:58 AM
good game. happy for Ted Ginn to get his first TD. Jesse Chatman looks to be just fine in that starting role. Miami still can't stop the run, though.

JMO, but it was one of the most boring games i've ever seen.

Giant Tiger
10-29-2007, 09:33 PM
Wonder if the travel will cause both teams to come out flat in their next game. It was cool to hear "God Save The Queen" though.:tv:

Speedy
10-29-2007, 09:48 PM
Wonder if the travel will cause both teams to come out flat in their next game. It was cool to hear "God Save The Queen" though.:tv:
It shouldn't. They both have a bye this week.

Maddict5
10-29-2007, 10:17 PM
JMO, but it was one of the most boring games i've ever seen.

no it wasnt just you.. the game was comically badly played (suitable nfl europe standard i guess:) )

lemon throwing fresh air and manning overthrowing a wide open toomer in the EZ, and the penalties were the worst examples

Brandon420tx
10-29-2007, 10:32 PM
I laughed when the people in the stands boo'd the last minute of the game.

Hookem Horns
10-29-2007, 10:58 PM
no it wasnt just you.. the game was comically badly played (suitable nfl europe standard i guess:) )

lemon throwing fresh air and manning overthrowing a wide open toomer in the EZ, and the penalties were the worst examples

and Toomer dropping a sure TD catch. The weather and the sloppy field didn't help matters.

Maddict5
10-29-2007, 11:25 PM
and Toomer dropping a sure TD catch. The weather and the sloppy field didn't help matters.


i know but its hardly an excuse for those kind of things... if players slip etc then yeah

kastofsna
10-30-2007, 09:47 AM
the Jaguars will be losing a home game next year and playing in London. no idea who they'll be playing, but obviously the Texans are a possibility.

Texan_Bill
10-30-2007, 09:49 AM
i know but its hardly an excuse for those kind of things... if players slip etc then yeah

For sake of balance, don't you think they (Jags - AFC) would play an NFC team, like this year's match-up??

kastofsna
10-30-2007, 09:54 AM
yeah that's certainly possible. if that's the case, then the Jags would be playing either the Packers or Vikings in London. if Favre retires, they go with Minnesota easily.

powerfuldragon
10-30-2007, 01:13 PM
yeah that's certainly possible. if that's the case, then the Jags would be playing either the Packers or Vikings in London. if Favre retires, they go with Minnesota easily.
the nfl'd be stupid if they didn't send favre. mnf taught me that Brett Favre is pretty much in the all-time section of the gridiron football pantheon. if the lawyers in charge of marketing don't build a giant robot favre i'll be disappointed.