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SICLICK
10-25-2007, 12:42 PM
A friend of mine and I have been arguing all week about this. This guy thinks we should start Rosenfels and bench Schaub. His argument is that Schaub has not thrown a TD in the last 3 games and Rosenfels threw 4 TDs in the last game. My argument is that Schaub is putting up good numbers, is the #10 qb in the NFL, and Rosenfels is a backup and not worthy of starting. Somehow he overlooks the 4 interceptions he threw in the last game too. What is yalls take?

HOU-TEX
10-25-2007, 12:43 PM
A friend of mine and I have been arguing all week about this. This guy thinks we should start Rosenfels and bench Schaub. His argument is that Schaub has not thrown a TD in the last 3 games and Rosenfels threw 4 TDs in the last game. My argument is that Schaub is putting up good numbers, is the #10 qb in the NFL, and Rosenfels is a backup and not worthy of starting. Somehow he overlooks the 4 interceptions he threw in the last game too. What is yalls take?

Slap your friend. :)

TexansLucky13
10-25-2007, 12:44 PM
Schaub is the guy.... if he is healthy. If Matt isn't 100%, I say start Sage. He has proven that he can run this offense effectively. Otherwise, it is Matts job. We gave up too much and paid him too much to have him sit when healthy.

Matt is improving.... we just need to keep him in one piece behind that pathetic offensive line.

swtbound07
10-25-2007, 12:47 PM
i say we start sage this week and next at oakland, give schaub an extra break with the bye week and give him a chance to be 100 percent.

Texan_Bill
10-25-2007, 12:49 PM
Schaub is the guy.... if he is healthy. If Matt isn't 100%, I say start Sage. He has proven that he can run this offense effectively. Otherwise, it is Matts job. We gave up too much and paid him too much to have him sit when healthy.

Matt is improving.... we just need to keep him in one piece behind that pathetic offensive line.

Close thread....

Twitch-Houston
10-25-2007, 12:57 PM
Drop the "1" from Sage's uniform and you have almost the same QB. I'm confident both can do a good job. I say let Schaub heal. Seems he was hurting before last weeks game and the same thing that was hurting before is still hurting, yet there are a couple of new things added to his list of injuries now.

Mr. White
10-25-2007, 01:00 PM
Some QBs are great backups, but not necessarily starter material. I think that Sage is probably one of those guys.

Once defenses have enough film on him, then they'll be more effective against him.

He always impresses me when he comes in, but I can't help but think that Schaub was brought in for a reason.

Double Barrel
10-25-2007, 01:02 PM
Schaub is the guy.... if he is healthy. If Matt isn't 100%, I say start Sage. He has proven that he can run this offense effectively. Otherwise, it is Matts job. We gave up too much and paid him too much to have him sit when healthy.

Matt is improving.... we just need to keep him in one piece behind that pathetic offensive line.

I agree. Schaub is basically a 'rookie' as a starting QB, so there is no point in risking him if he is not playing in good health. We have too much invested and he represents too much of our future plans to prove a short term goal of winning one game.

And yeah, I agree with you about our line now. Losing McKinney should not have been such a devastating blow, but it's obvious that they lost a lot when he got injured.

The Pencil Neck
10-25-2007, 01:07 PM
A friend of mine and I have been arguing all week about this. This guy thinks we should start Rosenfels and bench Schaub. His argument is that Schaub has not thrown a TD in the last 3 games and Rosenfels threw 4 TDs in the last game. My argument is that Schaub is putting up good numbers, is the #10 qb in the NFL, and Rosenfels is a backup and not worthy of starting. Somehow he overlooks the 4 interceptions he threw in the last game too. What is yalls take?

Schaub has the potential to be a great QB. Sage is a great backup who would probably be OK as a starter.

Sage's problem is that he doesn't always make good decisions; he makes risky throws. He tries to fit the ball into places that he has no right trying to fit the ball into. That's why he threw 3 interceptions and was really lucky that he didn't throw more.

If Schaub is feeling beaten up, I don't mind Sage starting a game for Matt to heal up but Matt is the future of this team.

Thorn
10-25-2007, 01:09 PM
I'm all for starting Sage the next two games. That gives Schaub three weeks to get better. I have complete confidence in Sage to run the team while Schaub is resting.

hollywood_texan
10-25-2007, 01:11 PM
If Schaub is feeling beaten up, I don't mind Sage starting a game for Matt to heal up but Matt is the future of this team.

Agreed, since the offensive line is probably not going to be much better, or maybe worse.

Schaub could be risking serious injury if he is not 100% with the current state of affairs regarding the offensive line

HoustonFrog
10-25-2007, 01:13 PM
Schaub is hands down the better QB. Up until last week he was in the Top 10 in 7 statistical categories, was working the pocket well and besides a few mishaps was throwing a nice ball. Sage is a good backup. He had a great 4th quarter but he also has done this in Miami and when he got the chance to start he stunk up the joint. When he starts he doesn't play well. In relief and with nothing to lose he wings it. He still had some horrible moments last week that can't be ignored. People are just fickle and really don't look at the big picture.

Overall, if Schaub needs the healing time..Fine. But it shouldn't be a decision between the two.

IlliniJen
10-25-2007, 01:14 PM
A friend of mine and I have been arguing all week about this. This guy thinks we should start Rosenfels and bench Schaub. His argument is that Schaub has not thrown a TD in the last 3 games and Rosenfels threw 4 TDs in the last game. My argument is that Schaub is putting up good numbers, is the #10 qb in the NFL, and Rosenfels is a backup and not worthy of starting. Somehow he overlooks the 4 interceptions he threw in the last game too. What is yalls take?

Your friend needs to pay attention what is happening on the OTHER side of the ball.

With 1 1/2 quarters left to play and a sizable lead, the Titans defense started playing soft. All too often, when one QB comes in and puts up good numbers, folks ONLY concentrate on what that player did, and don't consider what the defense was allowing to happen. The game is more nuanced than looking at pure stats.

Rosenfels' last TD throw was very close to being one of those desperation throws that ends up as an interception. Luckily our WR was able to make a play on the ball, but watching that in replays, it looked like a very questionable decision.

nunusguy
10-25-2007, 01:23 PM
Is the season basically over so far as the Texans making it to the playoffs this year ? I think so, but others may differ ?
But if it's over, let Schaub rest & heal along with AJ and hold them both out until after the bye-week next month. If Rosenfels plays and looks good in the next few games, maybe we'd get an offer for him from another team we couldn't refuse. Sorta like the one ATL got for Schaub earlier this year.

SICLICK
10-25-2007, 01:32 PM
I am in total agreement about starting Sage while Schaub heals. Other than that he remains a backup.

HWY95
10-25-2007, 01:32 PM
Is the season basically over so far as the Texans making it to the playoffs this year ? I think so, but others may differ ?
But if it's over, let Schaub rest & heal along with AJ and hold them both out until after the bye-week next month. If Rosenfels plays and looks good in the next few games, maybe we'd get an offer for him from another team we couldn't refuse. Sorta like the one ATL got for Schaub earlier this year.


Man, Texans have the same record as the Chargers (well almost).....I think you could make playoffs...Captain Obvious says you need to win though:pirate:

76Texan
10-25-2007, 01:42 PM
Unless there's an extreme risk, Schaub needs to start.

You have got to find out about your QB's durability sooner rather later.

You have to be smart about it, yes, but it's part of football.

TexansLucky13
10-25-2007, 02:03 PM
Unless there's an extreme risk, Schaub needs to start.

You have got to find out about your QB's durability sooner rather later.

You have to be smart about it, yes, but it's part of football.

This is true. Tom Brady has been Probable with a shoulder injury for years now, and he manages to get things done without upsetting it. Of course, their O-line is lightyears ahead of ours, so it is not as much of a concern.

Thorn
10-25-2007, 02:06 PM
If we had a decent line that could protect our QB, yeah bring back Schaub as soon as possible. But we don't have a good OL, so I would just rest Schaub. He's not going anywhere, he is our starter for the next 10 years. Let him have a break before he gets thrown to the wolves again.

Double Barrel
10-25-2007, 02:14 PM
Is the season basically over so far as the Texans making it to the playoffs this year ? I think so, but others may differ ?


With the AFC being as strong as it is, the only chance we'd have would be a wildcard berth since Indy is a hands down lock to win the South. I do not think we have the talent to be consistent enough to beat out our other two division rivals, much less the rest of the AFC. I wouldn't be surprised to see one or both of the AFC wildcard teams have 10-6 records or better.

We've got to take it game by game and do what is best for our team - within reason - to try to win each game. IMHO, it is not within reason to put an injured QB behind a line that cannot protect him and an offense that lacks any resemblance of a running game.

Texanfan4ever
10-25-2007, 02:21 PM
I say if Schaub is not well, keep him on the bench until we can find a center to replace Flannigan. I would hate to see what happened to Carr happen to Schaub. Many more games like the last two and he is going to be shell shocked too.

Who is our back up center and is he any good? ANyone know? Of all the years for McKinney to get hurt.

Texan_Bill
10-25-2007, 02:55 PM
I say if Schaub is not well, keep him on the bench until we can find a center to replace Flannigan. I would hate to see what happened to Carr happen to Schaub. Many more games like the last two and he is going to be shell shocked too.

Who is our back up center and is he any good? ANyone know? Of all the years for McKinney to get hurt.


F#63 Chris White. I beleive he saw some action last week.

TexansLucky13
10-25-2007, 02:58 PM
F#63 Chris White. I beleive he saw some action last week.

Looked good in TC and I doubt he will disappoint. He is an upgrade over the Flanagasaurus anyways.

Texan_Bill
10-25-2007, 02:59 PM
Looked good in TC and I doubt he will disappoint. He is an upgrade over the Flanagasaurus anyways.

LMAO!! Nice!

76Texan
10-25-2007, 03:24 PM
McNabb wasn't healthy, he was sacked a dozen times but played the whole game against the Giants.

The best for the team is to learn how well your QB can perform under duress.

The line has been doing a better job at protecting the QB than ever. If MS can't learn to read the hot number now, he never will.

Green is better than Lundy/Gado.

McKinney was never better than Flanagan at protection. Last yr. McKinney allowed 0.5 sack in 5 starts (3 at guard), Flanagan 0.75 in 9 starts.
Again, this yr, the pressure is coming from the outside mostly.
There's no concrete evidence that either is better at run blocking either.
When we run up the middle, the ypc ave. is about the same (including last year.)

Believe it or not, last year we ranked #7 in running efficiency up the middle.
And this year, we've been averaging better than last year's number (in yardage, but not in TD).

The1ApplePie
10-25-2007, 05:04 PM
Unless there's an extreme risk, Schaub needs to start.

You have got to find out about your QB's durability sooner rather later.

You have to be smart about it, yes, but it's part of football.

Yep, time to find out of Schaub is soft or not.

I guess the only way we got "Spoiled" by Carr was that he would take punishment and keep playing (if poorly).

If Schaub can't take a hit, then Sage may rise.

Specnatz
10-25-2007, 05:23 PM
Yep, time to find out of Schaub is soft or not.

I guess the only way we got "Spoiled" by Carr was that he would take punishment and keep playing (if poorly).

If Schaub can't take a hit, then Sage may rise.

A hit? Geez the guy has been getting killed ever since McKinny went down. he has taken plenty of hits. not sure how many QBs could withstand a 350 DT land completely on them and driving them into the turf.

the wonger need food
10-25-2007, 05:47 PM
Sage has earned the job. Obviously it won't happen. As always, politics will dictate who plays for this team.

ubecool454
10-26-2007, 09:23 AM
A friend of mine and I have been arguing all week about this. This guy thinks we should start Rosenfels and bench Schaub. His argument is that Schaub has not thrown a TD in the last 3 games and Rosenfels threw 4 TDs in the last game. My argument is that Schaub is putting up good numbers, is the #10 qb in the NFL, and Rosenfels is a backup and not worthy of starting. Somehow he overlooks the 4 interceptions he threw in the last game too. What is yalls take?

Sack your friend and make him do a Carr imitation...fetal position. :wild:

kastofsna
10-26-2007, 10:26 AM
Rosenfels is a great backup, not a great starter. that's his niche.

powerfuldragon
10-26-2007, 10:29 AM
start owen daniels at qb.

IlliniJen
10-26-2007, 10:31 AM
Yep, time to find out of Schaub is soft or not.

I guess the only way we got "Spoiled" by Carr was that he would take punishment and keep playing (if poorly).

If Schaub can't take a hit, then Sage may rise.

There's a difference between taking a hit and getting injured.

infantrycak
10-26-2007, 11:18 AM
Yep, time to find out of Schaub is soft or not.

I guess the only way we got "Spoiled" by Carr was that he would take punishment and keep playing (if poorly).

If Schaub can't take a hit, then Sage may rise.

There have been 48 different starting QB's in the league this year. There were 50 all of last season. Injuries happen and this year there is a streak at QB.

Texans Horror
10-26-2007, 11:32 AM
If AJ isn't going to play, start Rosenfels and let Schaub sit out. He doesn't have the great weapon to get the touchdowns, so you might as well not frustrate things by putting him in a bad situation (no pass-TD risk). Besides, as the joke goes, the line performs better for Rosenfels anyways.

If there is no need to rush Green, AJ, or Jacoby back to the field, there is no reason to risk compacting injuries by rushing your starting QB.

powerfuldragon
10-26-2007, 11:59 AM
Odqb'08

Dread-Head
10-26-2007, 12:12 PM
I don't know....Schaub works well with the offense, but Sage seems to gel better with them AND can look to someone OTHER than Andre Johnson.