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Maddict5
10-23-2007, 02:37 PM
ESPN Page 2 - TMQ: Good vs. Evil (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/071023&sportCat=nfl)

Argument for the Indianapolis Colts as paladins who carry the banner of that which is beneficent: Sportsmanship, honesty, modesty, devotion to community, embrace of traditional small-town life, belief in higher power, even love of laughter.:gun: The Colts are the defending champions, so they obviously play well on the field. Yet after winning the Super Bowl, they have remained humble and appealing. Through prior years of postseason frustration, they never complained or pointed the finger outside their team. Their players are active in community affairs and don't carp about being assigned to a nonglamorous Farm Belt city with an antiquated stadium. Their coach, Tony Dungy, smiles in public and answers honestly whatever he is asked: He never yells at players or grimaces at bad plays and, when defeated, doesn't act as though it's the end of the world. Although religious, Dungy said on the night he won the Super Bowl that God doesn't care about football games, which shows perspective. The team's star, Peyton Manning, stands for love of family, constantly appearing in public with his brothers, father and mother. Manning is happily married and a major donor to a children's hospital. Manning spends a lot of time at children's camps and events, and he constantly makes fun of himself. Ladies and gentlemen, representing Good, the Indianapolis Colts.


Argument for the New England Patriots as scoundrels in the service of that which is baleful: Dishonesty, cheating, arrogance, hubris, endless complaining even in success. The Patriots have three Super Bowl rings, but that jewelry is tarnished by their cheating scandal. They run up the score to humiliate opponents -- more on that below -- thus mocking sportsmanship. Their coach snaps and snarls in public, seeming to feel contempt for the American public that has brought him wealth and celebrity. Victory seems to give Bill Belichick no joy, and defeat throws him into fury. Belichick and the rest of the top of the Patriots' organization continue to refuse to answer questions about what was in the cheating tapes -- and generally, you refuse to answer questions if you have something to hide. The team has three Super Bowl triumphs, yet its players regularly whine about not being revered enough. The team's star, Tom Brady, is a smirking sybarite who dates actresses and supermodels but whose public charity appearances are infrequent. That constant smirk on Brady's face reminds one of Dick Cheney; people who smirk are fairly broadcasting the message, "I'm hiding something." The Patriots seem especially creepy at this point because we still don't know whether they have told the full truth about the cheating scandal -- or even whether they really have stopped cheating. They say they have, but their word is not exactly gold at this juncture. Ladies and gentlemen, representing Evil, the New England Patriots

lol this guy is a joke (and hates the texans but thats beside the point), but pieces like this make me hope NE go 19-0, brady and moss get their records etc because i know it would kill jackasses like this if it happened

and btw, indy runs up the score as well as anybody so stfu

GO NE!!!!

kastofsna
10-23-2007, 02:44 PM
i disagree

Maddict5
10-23-2007, 02:54 PM
i disagree

you would :)

does that seem like a good piece to you??


the poor innocent colts against the big meanie patriots.. ass sounds like joe buck after moss' GB mooning

Specnatz
10-23-2007, 03:22 PM
pfft it is page 2 of espin. It is suppossed to be spun this way as to get you to react from some hack writings that no one really gives a crap about.

Texan_Bill
10-23-2007, 03:38 PM
pfft it is page 2 of espin. It is suppossed to be spun this way as to get you to react from some hack writings that no one really gives a crap about.

Spec, you read page 2 all the time......

Sopping wet in :sarcasm:

TexanSam
10-23-2007, 03:43 PM
Meh. I only read Page 2 when Bill Simmons writes a new article. He's funny

kastofsna
10-23-2007, 03:45 PM
it's an opinion, hardly factual. colts are generally perceived to be far less assholish than the patriots, because the patriots are this decade's cowboys and they rub people the wrong way for various reasons, but the colts are farily innocent in that respect. everyone loves Dungy and Manning (except for bitter Texans fans, naturally), etc

HoustonFrog
10-23-2007, 04:06 PM
it's an opinion, hardly factual. colts are generally perceived to be far less assholish than the patriots, because the patriots are this decade's cowboys and they rub people the wrong way for various reasons, but the colts are farily innocent in that respect. everyone loves Dungy and Manning (except for bitter Texans fans, naturally), etc

Actually I'm completely have different ideas on this thing. I used to like the Pats. As I always explain on here I spent my first 23 years on earth in Ft. Worth so from mid-to late 70s on I've been a massive Dallas fan. I still respected the Pats SBs, even though I didn't exactly cheer for them. I always hated Manning. Not even as a transplanted in 93 and new Texans fan. I just thought the guy was a douchebag and a whiner. Nothing against you kast but he reminded me of Marino, whiny and yelling at his receivers for his own mistakes, yet an incredible QB. He couldn't win. I reveled in this. Starting in last years playoffs I saw a little more of Coach Hoody's thing as they beat SD with no class. I liked Manning on SNL. The season starts and now we have the Pats peeved that they got caught and running up the score. They are punks. I think it is a bush league move too because they are a team well respected and known for class. Now, not so much. Hoodys work will land Brady on the IR if he isn't careful. I'll put something I wrote before and it references the Karate Kid....Belicik will order the "sweep the leg" against some scrub team again and some DLinemen with no conscious(say a Haynesworth) is going to pull a crane and knock Bradys block off. I don't condone it and think it is trash but that is where NE is heading.

Texan_Bill
10-23-2007, 04:16 PM
it's an opinion, hardly factual. colts are generally perceived to be far less assholish than the patriots, because the patriots are this decade's cowboys and they rub people the wrong way for various reasons, but the colts are farily innocent in that respect. everyone loves Dungy and Manning (except for bitter Texans fans, naturally), etc

I hated Manning way before the Texans became a gleam in Bob McNairs eyes!

I will agree with you on people's overall perceptions of the two teams (whether its right or wrong, its perception)...

kastofsna
10-23-2007, 04:20 PM
i <3 manning. he's drreeeammmmyyy

Texan_Bill
10-23-2007, 04:23 PM
i <3 manning. he's drreeeammmmyyy

LMAO... How do you feel about Opie Taylor??!

powerfuldragon
10-23-2007, 04:24 PM
i <3 manning. he's drreeeammmmyyy
banned.

Texan_Bill
10-23-2007, 04:25 PM
banned.

RIGHT!!! And not soon enough...



:sarcasm:

kastofsna
10-23-2007, 04:28 PM
best QB ever. great role model for kids, too.

ensign_lee
10-23-2007, 07:38 PM
I <3 the TMQ.

That was obviously satire. Come on now; there are more important things in life to worry about than what Gregg Easterbrook writes for entertainment.

GoPats
10-24-2007, 01:21 PM
I saw that article yesterday.

It's not something that would bother me in the slightest, but the name "Easterbrook" rung a bell so I looked him up. Turns out he was fired for a controversial article and accusations of anti-Semitism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregg_Easterbrook

(Note: I know Wikipedia is a less than stellar "source," but you can confirm details at about 30 other sites.)

Also noteworthy that Pats owner Bob Kraft is Jewish and has donated a ton of money to charities in Israel, including funding to build an American football stadium in their country.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist or anything, but I don't think Easterbrook is the right person to be judging good and evil anyway.

Maddict5
10-24-2007, 02:00 PM
I <3 the TMQ.

That was obviously satire. Come on now; there are more important things in life to worry about than what Gregg Easterbrook writes for entertainment.


see the funny thing is its not satire.. hes been killing belichick for months and i bet you hes being 100% sincere in this belief..

hadaad
10-24-2007, 02:10 PM
What I understand about the situation with the Patriots is this: Easterbrook is concerned that their cheating undermines the league and it will ruin the popularity of the sport. That's not good for anyone not wearing skates, ball gloves or high-tops.

Maddict5
10-24-2007, 03:15 PM
seriously?? hands up who has become disillussioned with the nfl because the pats videotaped some signals??












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Double Barrel
10-24-2007, 03:47 PM
Manning...he who audibles to a long pass when four scores ahead with less than 4 minutes on the clock. He should get a * by his record consdering 11 of those were against the lowly Texans!

After 35-3, though, I do not think it is possible to run up the score. So I don't hold it against Manning for doing what he does, and I don't blame the Patriots for scoring as much as they can.

These are the pros, and if people get their feelings hurt, too freakin' bad. This ain't a kum-by-ya marshmellow roast where we have a group hug at the end!

GoPats
10-25-2007, 01:20 AM
re: Spygate...

If anything, I think the message the team is trying to send is very clear.

"You doubt what we've done? OK, we'll do it again. And we'll do it better than anyone's ever done it."

I'm not saying it'll work out for them, but I think the unspoken goal here is perfection. I think it's completely wacky to believe that any sort of violations have continued. Goodell needs to look like he's the hammer on this one.