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Yankee_In_TX
10-23-2007, 10:01 AM
*plays the I never played football card, AGAIN*

I've read or heard the coaching staff saying we get burned on the blitz, we're better with 4 in the box. Yet the front 4 on D haven't gotten that much pressure on opposing QB's.

We ALL know about our secondary, and heck, we're on safety #3/4 for the year.

So from a coaching standpoint, assuming everything said above is true, what's the best scheme/playcalling for your def?

Texan_Bill
10-23-2007, 10:16 AM
If that is true (about blitzing), than they could try to pressure the QB with D-line stunts, which I dont see a whole lot of...

SuperTexan
10-23-2007, 10:52 AM
The Texans stunt and twist plenty. Their problem is that nobody is fast off the edge and their DTs aren't collapsing the pocket.

Yankee_In_TX
10-23-2007, 11:13 AM
So one possible solution would be to stunt and bounce your DE's (?) out and around, while your DT's push forward?

badboy
10-23-2007, 11:39 AM
How about "wrap up" tackles and quit trying to push the other guy down or hope he runs out of bounds? Maybe allow Demeco and Dunte to teach the "Basics of Tackling 101" class.

infantrycak
10-23-2007, 11:40 AM
How about "wrap up" tackles and quit trying to push the other guy down or hope he runs out of bounds? Maybe allow Demeco and Dunte to teach the "Basics of Tackling 101" class.

Dunta is a heavy hitter, but he frequently goes for the hit over the wrap.

76Texan
10-23-2007, 11:44 AM
Dunta is a heavy hitter, but he frequently goes for the hit over the wrap.
I agree completely. Dunta is the one who needs to attend Tackling 101. He got plenty of big hits though.

badboy
10-23-2007, 11:48 AM
I would agree but when he hits someone they usually go down. I'm tired of our guys watching people move on down the field. Occasionally we have two or three guys tackle the guy with the ball above the waist. Pretty difficult to be successful.

Texan_Bill
10-23-2007, 02:12 PM
The Texans stunt and twist plenty. Their problem is that nobody is fast off the edge and their DTs aren't collapsing the pocket.

I have very rarely seen #90 twist with anyone. Thats part of the knock on him, he comes straight up the field - bull rushing.

austintexanite
10-23-2007, 02:14 PM
I say we need to stunt and use a backer of the edge coming in.

real
10-23-2007, 03:08 PM
There are so many different kinds of exoctic blitzes we can do.




And we don't do any of them.




The Texans think exotic is dropping Mario or T.J. into coverage...

Texan_Bill
10-23-2007, 03:29 PM
Isn't this the same Richard Smith that was with the Oilers under (Glanville and Pardee) and those defenses were pretty aggressive..

Double Barrel
10-23-2007, 03:35 PM
Isn't this the same Richard Smith that was with the Oilers under (Glanville and Pardee) and those defenses were pretty aggressive..

He never called plays, though.

From 1988-92, Smith coached tight ends, specials teams, linebackers, and offensive line with the Houston Oilers. - Source (http://www.houstontexans.com/team/coach.asp?coach_id=23)

dtran04
10-23-2007, 03:37 PM
I mentioned this before but the back end never helps out the D-Line either. I don't think the Texans have gotten a single coverage sack all year (maybe the one Amobi one). The opposing QB makes his 1st or 2nd read and is able to complete it way too easily.

Texan_Bill
10-23-2007, 03:53 PM
He never called plays, though.

Gotcha.... I just remember him being with the Oilers, and also remember the Oilers "D" during that era.... Al Smith was a stud.

Double Barrel
10-23-2007, 03:55 PM
Gotcha.... I just remember him being with the Oilers, and also remember the Oilers "D" during that era.... Al Smith was a stud.

Interestingly enough, Frank Bush will probably replace Smith as DC after this season. Bush was drafted as an Oiler:

Bush was a fifth-round draft choice by Houston in the 1985 NFL Draft and earned all-rookie acclaim starting 11 of 16 games for the Oilers before a spinal injury prematurely ended his pro career a year later. After serving as a college scout for the Oilers for five years (1987–92), he was the team’s linebackers coach for three seasons, bringing his tenure with Houston as a player, scout, and assistant coach to 10 years. Bush’s linebackers continued to play an integral role the following two seasons with the Broncos. In 2002, his special teams ranked among the best in the league as Denver ranked third in the AFC in kickoff coverage and fourth in kickoff return average. Source (http://www.houstontexans.com/team/coach.asp?coach_id=21)

The Pencil Neck
10-23-2007, 03:59 PM
I have very rarely seen #90 twist with anyone. Thats part of the knock on him, he comes straight up the field - bull rushing.

I disagree. They vary it up pretty well, I think. His sacks in the KC game were on twists with the DT coming around and Mario coming under and taking two blockers. He's not just bull rushing every time. Sometimes he does, sometimes he tries to speed around the edge (like when he sacked Cleo Lemon), and sometimes he does stunts and comes to the inside.

Texan_Bill
10-23-2007, 04:19 PM
I disagree. They vary it up pretty well, I think. His sacks in the KC game were on twists with the DT coming around and Mario coming under and taking two blockers. He's not just bull rushing every time. Sometimes he does, sometimes he tries to speed around the edge (like when he sacked Cleo Lemon), and sometimes he does stunts and comes to the inside.

PLease dont get our DE being pushed inside the DT by the OL -or- vice versa, as a stunt...
Thats called being defeated soundly. :splits:
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And DB that can't happen soon enough. I'm ready for Frank Bush to take the reigns.... I remember him and what a shame it was when his promising career was cut short...

Speedy
10-23-2007, 08:05 PM
*plays the I never played football card, AGAIN*

I've read or heard the coaching staff saying we get burned on the blitz, we're better with 4 in the box. Yet the front 4 on D haven't gotten that much pressure on opposing QB's.

We ALL know about our secondary, and heck, we're on safety #3/4 for the year.

So from a coaching standpoint, assuming everything said above is true, what's the best scheme/playcalling for your def?

They blitzed on the Ryans sack, fumble recovery and touchdown. If that's getting burned.....

The Pencil Neck
10-23-2007, 08:15 PM
They blitzed on the Ryans sack, fumble recovery and touchdown. If that's getting burned.....

We blitzed 27 times against the Falcons. In that first half, Petey got burnt so badly they had to call out a special skin graft team.

Speedy
10-23-2007, 09:04 PM
We blitzed 27 times against the Falcons. In that first half, Petey got burnt so badly they had to call out a special skin graft team.

Well, that's on 38, but to say we get burnt every time we blitz, well, I don't see it. I can recall several times where they'll blitz on a 2nd down play, get a good result making it 3rd and long and on the next play, they just send 4, they don't get near the QB, and first down, drive stays alive, defense stays on the field.

HJam72
10-23-2007, 10:36 PM
Just send all 11. :) :fans: :whip: