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Maddict5
10-19-2007, 05:01 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=3806

(on if there was anything else different announced in the post-practice huddle) “No, we were just giving one player a hard time. Nothing new.”

(on if he could explain that) “No, that’s alright. Can’t give y’all that scoop. That’s privileged information.”

(on who he gave a hard time) “The day is so beautiful, y’all are even having a hard time working today. I’m telling you (laughs). Y’all enjoy your afternoon. How about that, OK? Is that alright?”

Maddict5
10-19-2007, 05:02 PM
i lol'd at 2 things in this:

1- kubiak tells them hes not telling them who.. next q- 'who was it?'
2- kubiak's last response

Errant Hothy
10-19-2007, 05:03 PM
What's odd about that. The guys were giving somebody a hard time, but there is no need for that to be told to the press so Kubiak just changed the subject when the press failed to drop the issue.

Maddict5
10-19-2007, 05:12 PM
why even bring it up? i doubt kubiak just let it slip out.. i dont know- maybe im overanalysing it but it just seems a little odd

76Texan
10-19-2007, 05:15 PM
Sounds like he's having fun with the media for a change! :specnatz:

Specnatz
10-19-2007, 05:29 PM
why even bring it up? i doubt kubiak just let it slip out.. i dont know- maybe im overanalysing it but it just seems a little odd

Maybe he got a hold of Justices crap piece and thought it was time to dangle something then blow off the media and see how they like that.

If they keep writing crap I would just refuse to talk to them or give them any answers to anythng other than a weather report.

Maddict5
10-19-2007, 05:33 PM
Maybe he got a hold of Justices crap piece and thought it was time to dangle something then blow off the media and see how they like that.

If they keep writing crap I would just refuse to talk to them or give them any answers to anythng other than a weather report.

lol that'd be such a cool thing to do.. so belichick-ish (i love how he pisses off the media by being so blunt yet boring)

next week he could say something like 'you know, we might be cutting one of our first rd draft picks after this next game.. we'll monitor it and il get back to you on monday':splits:

MightyTExan
10-19-2007, 05:42 PM
(on if his offensive line will be the same) “Yes, everything’s the same. I had planned on suiting eight. I had planned on suiting (Kasey) Studdard, but he’s going to be out for a little while, don’t know how long. So as of right now we’ll suit our seven and do what we’ve normally been doing.”

:wacko: :shots: :cry2: :shocked

Pantherstang84
10-19-2007, 05:50 PM
So where is Mario's name in all of this or is someone just trying to stir stuff up?

Maddict5
10-19-2007, 05:55 PM
So where is Mario's name in all of this or is someone just trying to stir stuff up?

no not trying to stir at all, just speculating.. i like mario- just with the titans and vince and all.. and mario not playing so hot- and with it being known that mario plays better when angry, maybe thats what they were trying.. prob should've kept my mouth shut

Dallas_Texan
10-19-2007, 06:12 PM
no not trying to stir at all, just speculating.. i like mario- just with the titans and vince and all.. and mario not playing so hot- and with it being known that mario plays better when angry, maybe thats what they were trying.. prob should've kept my mouth shut

I hope they do piss him off.....it's the only time he plays well!

TexansLucky13
10-19-2007, 06:14 PM
They were probably beating up on Salaam or Pitts.... trying to make sure they know how to block a defender without holding...

mexican_texan
10-19-2007, 06:54 PM
It would be hilarious if he meant Bryan Pittman.

TexansLucky13
10-19-2007, 06:54 PM
It would be hilarious if he meant Bryan Pittman.

Dude's a beast.

Malloy
10-19-2007, 07:53 PM
no not trying to stir at all, just speculating.. i like mario- just with the titans and vince and all.. and mario not playing so hot- and with it being known that mario plays better when angry, maybe thats what they were trying.. prob should've kept my mouth shut

Is that more than speculation.

A.C. Anderson... read the story about the 1 feather turning into 5 hens. It's ll explain alot about the world of media... and fandom...

mexican_texan
10-19-2007, 10:20 PM
Why has no one mentioned Okoye? I mean, he did get that mysterious benching last week.

Brandon420tx
10-19-2007, 10:28 PM
Benched the first play of the game ... hmm ... could be team policy voilation, or they just wanted to start Maddox and see if he would play with some fire...

A Texan
10-20-2007, 02:30 PM
The player they were giving a hard time may have been Kevin Walter. According to a story I saw somewhere players have been kidding him about some of the coaches calling him "Walters". Somebody put an "S" after his last name on his locker and some of them were calling him "Barbara" (for Barbara Walters).

Specnatz
10-20-2007, 02:33 PM
The player they were giving a hard time may have been Kevin Walter. According to a story I saw somewhere players have been kidding him about some of the coaches calling him "Walters". Somebody put an "S" after his last name on his locker and some of them were calling him "Barbara" (for Barbara Walters).

Sounds like half this board who couldn't get his name right to save there life.

nero THE zero
10-20-2007, 06:05 PM
Why has no one mentioned Okoye? I mean, he did get that mysterious benching last week.

That's what I was thinking as well.

nunusguy
10-22-2007, 11:06 AM
I dunno if anyone else is listening to 1560 right now, but its Granado on with his guest Kailee Wong, former Texans LB who I guess is now retired from the NFL.
But Wong made some interesting comments about Mario for those who think that he should be moved to the inside to play as a DT. He basically said we've already got two "3-technique" DTs in AO & TJ, and Mario would also be a "3-technique" DT, because he's definitely not a NT. Looks as if Maddox is the only true NT we've got.
So as we've discussed ad nauseam on this website, Mario is gonna have to be moved to his old college position, strongside DE. But what to with Weaver ?

gjmac2
10-22-2007, 11:07 AM
Weaver should be made to move to the other side. He's doing nothing on the strongside.

The1ApplePie
10-22-2007, 11:13 AM
I dunno if anyone else is listening to 1560 right now, but its Granado on with his guest Kailee Wong, former Texans LB who I guess is now retired from the NFL.
But Wong made some interesting comments about Mario for those who think that he should be moved to the inside to play as a DT. He basically said we've already got two "3-technique" DTs in AO & TJ, and Mario would also be a "3-technique" DT, because he's definitely not a NT. Looks as if Maddox is the only true NT we've got.
So as we've discussed ad nauseam on this website, Mario is gonna have to be moved to his old college position, strongside DE. But what to with Weaver ?

Mario would be a better 3-4 DE than anything IMO

Pretty much we have 4 3-4 DE's starting on our D-Line right now. Hopefully we can land a big fat ass in the offseason to clog the middle.

real
10-22-2007, 11:21 AM
4 3-4 DE's ?


ummmm...no we don't....

The1ApplePie
10-22-2007, 11:22 AM
4 3-4 DE's ?


ummmm...no we don't....

TJ
Mario
AO
Weaver

That would be 4 3-4 DEs

real
10-22-2007, 11:26 AM
TJ
Mario
AO
Weaver

That would be 4 3-4 DEs

Neither A.O. nor T.J are 3-4 DE's....

The1ApplePie
10-22-2007, 11:28 AM
Neither A.O. nor T.J are 3-4 DE's....

TJ was

AO has the size and speed to be a 3-4 DE or a 3 tech tackle

gtexan02
10-22-2007, 11:28 AM
Neither is Mario

real
10-22-2007, 11:30 AM
I can give him Mario...

But T.J and Okoye...not so much...

real
10-22-2007, 11:31 AM
TJ was

AO has the size and speed to be a 3-4 DE or a 3 tech tackle

:ok:


As you were....

Nza
10-22-2007, 11:39 AM
I don't see Mario as a 3-4 DE. I think he's a 4-3 DE or maybe a 4-3 DT in the right scheme.

This isn't exactly coming out of nowhere, he had disappearing acts at NC State and padded his sack totals against some poor O's. I think he just needs to refine his game, keep motoring, and he'll be fine. What is he like 23? Could still be a rookie in some classes.

Leahmic223
10-22-2007, 11:48 AM
I don't see Mario as a 3-4 DE. I think he's a 4-3 DE or maybe a 4-3 DT in the right scheme.

This isn't exactly coming out of nowhere, he had disappearing acts at NC State and padded his sack totals against some poor O's. I think he just needs to refine his game, keep motoring, and he'll be fine. What is he like 23? Could still be a rookie in some classes.

That is his biggest problem. You guys have a DE that has a amazing motor, Mario's is sometimes nonexistent. I don't know I think we need to bring in someone to light a fire under his $%&. That was his biggest issue coming out and it is still a issue. But he has youth on his side as of now, so hopefully he will get it sooner or later.

real
10-22-2007, 11:57 AM
Everyone isn't built to have a non-stop motor...



And when I say non-stop motor I don't mean quitting on plays...I just mean how quickly you process what's going on and react to it...

Leahmic223
10-22-2007, 12:03 PM
Everyone isn't built to have a non-stop motor...



And when I say non-stop motor I don't mean quitting on plays...I just mean how quickly you process what's going on and react to it...

I think he reacts well. Especially when he realizes the play is a run. His problem is pass rushing and for a guy that we got for Pass Rushing it is a big problem for him to have.

He seems to be limited in his moves, and doesn't seem to have a motor, Those are big problems for a pass rushing DE but he has youth and they can be fixed. I think he reacts well though, maybe he doesn't get off the line quick but as far as play recognition I think it is fine. If he works as hard as they say he does, he'll get it eventually.

real
10-22-2007, 12:14 PM
I think he reacts well.

Reacting and processing what's going on are two different things.

As a defensive player, if you want to be a stand out, you have to be able to anticipate some things. To me, this falls under processing information. Like Down and distance, a feel for the offense you're going against, a feel for the O-lineman you're going against, a feel for what the QB is doing...ect....

Sometimes as a defensive player you should be able to feel what's coming before it happens...

For instance...

Look at how many times T.J has disrupted a pass at the L.O.S.....Yes that has to do with reaction, but it's also him just processing whats going on around him and anticipating what that offense likes to do, what that QB likes to do, and what those linemen in front of him are doing...Just like when he caught that interception....


Mario seems to be a physical specimen with out much football processing ability. Doesn't mean he can't be a great player though...

Leahmic223
10-22-2007, 12:21 PM
Reacting and processing what's going on are two different things.

As a defensive player, if you want to be a stand out, you have to be able to anticipate some things. To me, this falls under processing information. Like Down and distance, a feel for the offense you're going against, a feel for the O-lineman you're going against, a feel for what the QB is doing...ect....

Sometimes as a defensive player you should be able to feel what's coming before it happens...

For instance...

Look at how many times T.J has disrupted a pass at the L.O.S.....Yes that has to do with reaction, but it's also him just processing whats going on around him and anticipating what that offense likes to do, what that QB likes to do, and what those linemen in front of him are doing...Just like when he caught that interception....


Mario seems to be a physical specimen with out much football processing ability. Doesn't mean he can't be a great player though...

I see where you are coming from and I agree. He just still has so much more to learn, he is such a project I don't expect him to start producing until next year and if he doesn't do it then, than he'll probably never will. He is still 22, has tons to learn.

We should bring in a legend DE to help him out some. I know this helps out young players like Mario who is physically gifted but technically still has a lot to learn.

BigBull17
10-22-2007, 12:36 PM
TJ was

AO has the size and speed to be a 3-4 DE or a 3 tech tackle

TJ was out of position as a 3-4 DE. He didnt fit it. AO could be a 4-3 DE or 3 tech. Mario is a strongside DE. Its what he should play. Or a scary 3-4 OLB. That would be cool if he were a little more agile.

real
10-22-2007, 01:00 PM
I see where you are coming from and I agree. He just still has so much more to learn, he is such a project I don't expect him to start producing until next year and if he doesn't do it then, than he'll probably never will. He is still 22, has tons to learn.

We should bring in a legend DE to help him out some. I know this helps out young players like Mario who is physically gifted but technically still has a lot to learn.

Personally, I don't think you can teach that part of football.

I just think some players have that intangible of being able to process and anticipate while others are just reactionary.

But again....That doesn't mean Mario won't be a good player....

nunusguy
10-22-2007, 01:13 PM
There was one play in particular yesterday that really left me feeling disappointed in mario: the stiff-arm by Titans/former USC back LenDale White.
White is a big back, bout 240 or so, but Mario has got 40 or 50 lbs on him.
Anyway, if you saw the play you know that Mario fell by the wayside while White moved down the field a few more yards before going down after he delivered the stiff-arm.
Mario seems to be totally void of any kind of mean-streak, because usually when a back offers an NFL DLineman a stiff-arm, a bloody pulp is returned to the back, so to speak. Instead Mario goes down and White continues downfield. Very disappointing.

real
10-22-2007, 01:24 PM
There was one play in particular yesterday that really left me feeling disappointed in mario: the stiff-arm by Titans/former USC back LenDale White.
White is a big back, bout 240 or so, but Mario has got 40 or 50 lbs on him.
Anyway, if you saw the play you know that Mario fell by the wayside while White moved down the field a few more yards before going down after he delivered the stiff-arm.
Mario seems to be totally void of any kind of mean-streak, because usually when a back offers an NFL DLineman a stiff-arm, a bloody pulp is returned to the back, so to speak. Instead Mario goes down and White continues downfield. Very disappointing.

I remember that play...

Terrible display by Mario...


But I'm starting to think that maybe Mario is what he is.

A good player, great athlete that will make some plays and look like a beast on occasion, but will also have plays and games that dissapoint. I don't think he will be consitently terrible, but I don't know if he's capable of being consitently dominant either.

Leahmic223
10-22-2007, 03:03 PM
I remember that play...

Terrible display by Mario...


But I'm starting to think that maybe Mario is what he is.

A good player, great athlete that will make some plays and look like a beast on occasion, but will also have plays and games that dissapoint. I don't think he will be consitently terrible, but I don't know if he's capable of being consitently dominant either.

Rookies and young players hardly do deliver consistently, that is the thing.

VY has yet to do it, Reggie has yet to do it. Its rare that rookies do come in the NFL and deliver consistently, we got one (DeMeco) that pretty much does. So I don't expect consistency out of him early, and I wouldn't until his 4th season. I know for some people that sounds crazy but in most professional leagues you give a guy 3 seasons to prove himself.
As of right now he is doing okay, some games he does good and gets pressure(yet never finishes, he leaves a lot of sacks on the field and he is supposed to be fast) and some games he disappears. The same thing could be said for VY and Bush, its just when they have a bad game people say "Its okay, they'll get it." Mario doesn't seem to have that space.

real
10-22-2007, 03:10 PM
The same thing could be said for VY and Bush, its just when they have a bad game people say "Its okay, they'll get it." Mario doesn't seem to have that space.

I don't like comparing the development of RB's and QB's to D-linemen...

But VY and RB seem to have a natural ability to make plays on the football field...

Yeah they have limitations too, but they both seem to have pretty good football instincts....

I can't say that for Mario, and that is what makes me wonder about how good he'll be...

I know he'll get better..but that's not the issue...

I more concerned with how much better, because he needs to make exponential improvement to be considered an impact player...

Leahmic223
10-22-2007, 03:25 PM
I don't like comparing the development of RB's and QB's to D-linemen...

But VY and RB seem to have a natural ability to make plays on the football field...

Yeah they have limitations too, but they both seem to have pretty good football instincts....

I can't say that for Mario, and that is what makes me wonder about how good he'll be...

I know he'll get better..but that's not the issue...

I more concerned with how much better, because he needs to make exponential improvement to be considered an impact player...


The development of a QB is quite slow, teams wait years hoping their young QB will finally have their breakout season, I know we did.

Development for a RB is quite fast, since their careers are short they usually start producing consistently their 2nd year.

DEs and DTs are around 3-4 seasons though. People will always bring up the exceptions Dwight Freeney and Peppers, but that is what they are exceptions. Also Mario has made plays they just seem to go unnoticed or forgotten next sunday it seems. Was he not the guy that caused a important fumble against the Colts, was he not the guy that took a fumble and returned it to the house, was he not the guy that tipped a potential game winning pass last year against the Fins?

My point was young player are inconsistent their first few years, some guys are fast learners and some are not. I just feel like people have a short patience with the guy.

real
10-22-2007, 03:59 PM
The development of a QB is quite slow, teams wait years hoping their young QB will finally have their breakout season, I know we did.

Development for a RB is quite fast, since their careers are short they usually start producing consistently their 2nd year.

DEs and DTs are around 3-4 seasons though. People will always bring up the exceptions Dwight Freeney and Peppers, but that is what they are exceptions. Also Mario has made plays they just seem to go unnoticed or forgotten next sunday it seems. Was he not the guy that caused a important fumble against the Colts, was he not the guy that took a fumble and returned it to the house, was he not the guy that tipped a potential game winning pass last year against the Fins?

My point was young player are inconsistent their first few years, some guys are fast learners and some are not. I just feel like people have a short patience with the guy.


That really has nothing to do with looking at how a player is playing. It might take 3 years to get the desired results from a D-lineman (AKA lots of sacks), but it doesn't take long to look at a player and see a lack of football instinct...

I've really yet to see Mario make a "smart" football play...or an instinctive move....

I was happy for Mario when he recovered that fumble and all, but there was really nothing that impressive about it...He even pretty much said himself that he wasn't about to get up and run with it until Amobi told him to...soooo...I dunno...

Leahmic223
10-22-2007, 04:45 PM
That really has nothing to do with looking at how a player is playing. It might take 3 years to get the desired results from a D-lineman (AKA lots of sacks), but it doesn't take long to look at a player and see a lack of football instinct...

I've really yet to see Mario make a "smart" football play...or an instinctive move....

I was happy for Mario when he recovered that fumble and all, but there was really nothing that impressive about it...He even pretty much said himself that he wasn't about to get up and run with it until Amobi told him to...soooo...I dunno...

Mario could get a sack and downplay, he always downplays the plays he makes because he's a humble guy.

Here's the point Mario has shown flashes, he has good games and he has made plays. Period. Nothing special about the fumble recovery yet when it happened there was something special about it, the same game he had 2 sacks and everyone was saying "Reggie Who?" when he played that game it the Dlines failures it seems.
was special then but now it is downplayed and Mario takes the blame for all the dlines failures.

My point on that is, the guy has had his moments he just needs to get consistent. And there are many guys in his draft class who have consistency problems as well.

real
10-22-2007, 06:20 PM
Mario could get a sack and downplay, he always downplays the plays he makes because he's a humble guy.

Here's the point Mario has shown flashes, he has good games and he has made plays. Period. Nothing special about the fumble recovery yet when it happened there was something special about it, the same game he had 2 sacks and everyone was saying "Reggie Who?" when he played that game it the Dlines failures it seems.
was special then but now it is downplayed and Mario takes the blame for all the dlines failures.

My point on that is, the guy has had his moments he just needs to get consistent. And there are many guys in his draft class who have consistency problems as well.


I guess flashes to you are not the same as flashes to me.


I've really only seen one Mario sack that I thought he just flat out beat his man on...

I give him credit for the other sacks he's gotten, I just don't think they were all that impressive...

I guess we can just agree to disagree because I really have seen nothing from Mario--other than his size, speed and strength--that would indicate he is going to be a dominant....

I've gone back and forth with this because I have see a lot of things out of Mario that I have liked...But he lacks the one thing that I like to see out of players...especially defensive players...

That is natural instincts.

I hope Mario turns into a force, but until he does he isn't.

:d:

Texan_Bill
10-22-2007, 06:28 PM
What I haven't seen from Mario is (even though this may not be PC - I don't care) VIOLENCE!!!!.... He should be the meanest, nastiest SOB on the field (within the rules of course)...

Thorn
10-22-2007, 06:40 PM
Mario played on bad feet all last year. It's quite possible he set some mental bad habits because of playing with bad feet that he needs to get rid of. In any case, this is his first real year to play healthy. It's almost halfway through the season and he isn't playing like a 1st round pick, but rather a lower round pick who is still learning.

He needs to pick up the pace. I still have faith in him, but he needs to start showing up to the games and playing for what he is: a top draft pick.

dtran04
10-22-2007, 07:47 PM
Kubiak actually liked the play of Mario in the presser. Says he got 7 tackles and 3 pressures. Of course he said he wanted Mario to take it to a pro bowl level.

Leahmic223
10-22-2007, 11:50 PM
Kubiak actually liked the play of Mario in the presser. Says he got 7 tackles and 3 pressures. Of course he said he wanted Mario to take it to a pro bowl level.

Which is quite funny because statistically that is a good game for a DE, but some people are not going to notice it because they look at the Dline's failure and automatically put it on Mario.

Mario actually gets a lot of hurries or pressures, he just never closes in for a guy with speed he should.

Leahmic223
10-22-2007, 11:57 PM
I guess flashes to you are not the same as flashes to me.


I've really only seen one Mario sack that I thought he just flat out beat his man on...

I give him credit for the other sacks he's gotten, I just don't think they were all that impressive...

I guess we can just agree to disagree because I really have seen nothing from Mario--other than his size, speed and strength--that would indicate he is going to be a dominant....

I've gone back and forth with this because I have see a lot of things out of Mario that I have liked...But he lacks the one thing that I like to see out of players...especially defensive players...

That is natural instincts.

I hope Mario turns into a force, but until he does he isn't.
:d:

Which is exactly what can be said for most of the young players in any pro league.

Other than DeMeco Ryans, MJD, Addai...someone I am missing? Other than those guys who has proved to the league that they are a force? That is continuing their success into this season also.

real
10-23-2007, 09:55 AM
Which is exactly what can be said for most of the young players in any pro league.

Other than DeMeco Ryans, MJD, Addai...someone I am missing? Other than those guys who has proved to the league that they are a force? That is continuing their success into this season also.

Manny Lawson wasn't doing too bad for himself before he got injured...


But really that is not relevant...

Mario was the number 1 Overall selcetion in a draft full of studs...

No it wasn't his fault, but that has nothing to do with my expectations of him...


Mario's "mere presence" was supposed to make other players better...I think he will be consistently good at the least...But given the circumstances I just expect so much more....

Getting stiff armed to the ground by Lindell White is under achieving expectations IMO....

nunusguy
10-23-2007, 10:45 AM
Kubiak actually liked the play of Mario in the presser. Says he got 7 tackles and 3 pressures. Of course he said he wanted Mario to take it to a pro bowl level.

Asked about Mario Williams, Kubiak said: "He played pretty good yesterday; he graded out well. I think he had seven tackles. He had three quarterback pressures. We continue to try to get more out of him. I say that, and when I say what I mean is that I think for our football team to reach another level of play, he's got to continue to find another gear. Is his gear good now? Yeah, it's pretty darn good, but we need Mario to become a great, great player - a Pro Bowl player for a long, long time for our organization. So we're going to keep pushing him. Was his effort pretty good yesterday? Did he play well? Yes, he did."

http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2007/10/lets_change_the.html
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I dunno is this really what Kubiak thinks in his heart of hearts or is it just a protective type of response to shield Mario from criticism ? The Chrons Richard Justice says that Mario is becoming a big-time jerk with the media.
Apparently he's already had too much fun with all the continuing talk about
his play ?
a.

infantrycak
10-23-2007, 11:15 AM
I don't know--a statement that he needs to get better and they are continuing to push him seems to recognize weakness. Coaches just aren't going to throw players under the bus the way fans like to.

The1ApplePie
10-23-2007, 11:21 AM
VY and RB have both stepped up in the clutch when their teams needed them, Mario has yet to do this. I would have loved a big sack to stop Collins on sunday during the last drive.

VY is established
Reggie is comming into his own and starting to be a leader
AJ Hawk is wrecking Shop
Hopefully Mario will follow

Kaiser Toro
10-23-2007, 11:30 AM
VY and RB have both stepped up in the clutch when their teams needed them, Mario has yet to do this. I would have loved a big sack to stop Collins on sunday during the last drive.

VY is established
Reggie is comming into his own and starting to be a leader
AJ Hawk is wrecking Shop
Hopefully Mario will follow

Of course it is very difficult for you to quantify this, that is why you have not.

76Texan
10-23-2007, 12:03 PM
apple & real, you guys really need to go back and break down each play of every single game to aprreciate the job Mario has done this year.

He's our best lineman.

real
10-23-2007, 12:16 PM
He's our best lineman.


Ok ? And?

What does that do ?



You need to go back and review my post history about Mario. I've given the guy plenty of props.

76Texan
10-23-2007, 12:19 PM
Ok ? And?

What does that do ?



You need to go back and review my post history about Mario. I've given the guy plenty of props.It wasn't a good idea that I put your name together with Apple (no knock to apple).

I understand that you are looking at it from a totally different angle.

beerlover
10-23-2007, 12:35 PM
it should be a given Mario attracts double teams, but largely he has been handled one on one by LT's. he plays too high & gets locked up to deep into the body where they can control him with good technique. How many holding calls has he drawn? I can't think of any, to me if he is effective then he either gets better production or causes breakdowns on the corner where the tackle is forced to hold or get help. besides his speed around the corner of his bull rush inside what moves is he developing? where is the spin move, use of hands to slap/disengage from blocker only when he gets mad does he swim or rip the players away & thats the kind of urgency I wanted from Mario in that crucial last drive, just get to Collins once & blow up his confidence. I'm not seeing it happen without saying as much I think thats excatley what Kubiak said without beign as graphic or critical of :mario3:

Kaiser Toro
10-23-2007, 12:54 PM
it should be a given Mario attracts double teams, but largely he has been handled one on one by LT's. he plays too high & gets locked up to deep into the body where they can control him with good technique. How many holding calls has he drawn? I can't think of any, to me if he is effective then he either gets better production or causes breakdowns on the corner where the tackle is forced to hold or get help. besides his speed around the corner of his bull rush inside what moves is he developing? where is the spin move, use of hands to slap/disengage from blocker only when he gets mad does he swim or rip the players away & thats the kind of urgency I wanted from Mario in that crucial last drive, just get to Collins once & blow up his confidence. I'm not seeing it happen without saying as much I think thats excatley what Kubiak said without beign as graphic or critical of :mario3:

He attempted a spin move in Sunday's game and it was like watching a fawn try to stand up for the first time. I do not recall him doing so before, so who knows maybe he is trying to get used to it in game time situations.

In essence he spun in space, whereas the spin move should be done upon impact to gain the advantage.

nunusguy
10-23-2007, 12:55 PM
VY is established
Reggie is comming into his own and starting to be a leader
AJ Hawk is wrecking Shop
Hopefully Mario will follow
VY is established and already his teams offensive leader.
Bush is without question the Saints top Hot-Dog but will never be the guy he was projected to be whos real name is Adrian Peterson.
Haven't seen too much of Hawk this year, so I dunno ?
I would be sick if we took Mario and left AD on the Board, but I still dunno about the Mario vs. Bush argument ?

HOU-TEX
10-23-2007, 01:00 PM
He attempted a spin move in Sunday's game and it was like watching a fawn try to stand up for the first time. I do not recall him doing so before, so who knows maybe he is trying to get used to it in game time situations.

In essence he spun in space, whereas the spin move should be done upon impact to gain the advantage.

Yeah, his spin move isn't very pretty. It reminds me of Ace Ventura doing his slowmo at the psychiatric hospital. I forget which game it was, but I remember he attempted a spin move and actually fell down. It might of been the pre-season game vs the Cards. It's painful to watch. :gun:

real
10-23-2007, 01:07 PM
Mario isn't that type of athlete...

He doesn't move well from side to side, and he doesn't have real good feet...

Mario needs to look at some of Reggie White and Bruce Smith's pass rushing techniques...He needs to work on his leverage and getting OT's off balance with his hand placement...



But I really don't ever expect Mario to be a great pass rusher...But there is more to playing DE than rushing the passer...

Maddict5
10-23-2007, 01:13 PM
Yeah, his spin move isn't very pretty. It reminds me of Ace Ventura doing his slowmo at the psychiatric hospital. I forget which game it was, but I remember he attempted a spin move and actually fell down. It might of been the pre-season game vs the Cards. It's painful to watch. :gun:


lol rep

Kaiser Toro
10-23-2007, 01:19 PM
I am very big on breakout sessions at the position level where a certain position will go through drills that other positions play. I cried for Carr to hang with the DB's years ago. I hope that Mario is getting some footwork practice in somewhere.

I cannot stand Richard Smith's work to date, but did like when I saw him working with the WR's during training camp. He appeared to be showing the WR's how he teaches to jam WR's.

Best practice sharing or cross pollenization of positional skills/development may be in order for Mario if it has not been going on already.

Mario is not setting the world on fire, but he ain't killing us either. If I were to give him a grade year to date it would be a C.

real
10-23-2007, 01:21 PM
I'd actually give him a C+ or B-

closer to a C+ though...

Leahmic223
10-23-2007, 02:13 PM
7 tackles and 3 pressures? pretty good day for any DE not named mario williams if you get my drift...

why would mario even allow those guys within 10 ft of his locker? no matter what he does it isn't right...i'd just tell him (what an ironically inappropriate name for a columnist who does no team any justice with his 'reports') to f off everytime his espn-loving ass came near me...

Nothing he does is ever right to some people. Some people thought he was foolish to set his goals as high as "Breaking the single-season sack record" yet if VY set a similar record it would have been cute and courages.

I really don't know how good he's going to be, but I can see him progressing which is what I want to see. I've seen him have some really good games over the last season and a half, and there is still time for him to improve.
We knew getting Mario would be a project, it was pretty much said that any team that got him would know he would be a project, so we just have to be patient and recognize when he's doing good.

Let me just say this, we were patient with Travis...and it sure is looking like its going to pay off. The guy has really shown us his potential and I don't think he is in his prime as of yet. In fact on his scouting report it said something like if I can remember correctly "Expect him to be a top 10 DT in 3 seasons." which is why you have to be patient and I fully expect him to play probowl caliber next season and the rest of this season. Looks like he gets it now.

76Texan
10-23-2007, 02:28 PM
I am very big on breakout sessions at the position level where a certain position will go through drills that other positions play. I cried for Carr to hang with the DB's years ago. I hope that Mario is getting some footwork practice in somewhere.

I cannot stand Richard Smith's work to date, but did like when I saw him working with the WR's during training camp. He appeared to be showing the WR's how he teaches to jam WR's.

Best practice sharing or cross pollenization of positional skills/development may be in order for Mario if it has not been going on already.

Mario is not setting the world on fire, but he ain't killing us either. If I were to give him a grade year to date it would be a C.
Can you and/or Real share with us as to how you grade a DE like Mario Williams?

real
10-23-2007, 02:37 PM
Let me just say this, we were patient with Travis...and it sure is looking like its going to pay off.

I was not included in that "we".

I've always thought TJ would be a good ball player.

real
10-23-2007, 02:38 PM
Can you and/or Real share with us as to how you grade a DE like Mario Williams?

It's really not an exact science for me...


I just think, all things considered, Mario has been a high C, low B kind of player this year...

76Texan
10-23-2007, 02:40 PM
It's really not an exact science for me...


I just think, all things considered, Mario has been a high C, low B kind of player this year...

So which was Mario's worse game this year, in your opinion?

Leahmic223
10-23-2007, 02:44 PM
I was not included in that "we".

I've always thought TJ would be a good ball player.

I meant the general fanbase of course.

real
10-23-2007, 02:46 PM
So which was Mario's worse game this year, in your opinion?


I have no clue...

He's often such a non-factor as far as directly making a play , that I'd have to go back and look at film to make that call...


I've watched Mario on film plenty in the past though, and I like a lot of what I see...

I personally don't think he's a bad ball player, I just don't like him at my weakside DE....I don't think he has the instincts, nor the desired physical skill-set to be a consistently effective pass rusher...

I think he would be perfect at SDE though....

Marcus
10-23-2007, 02:59 PM
Don't ever expect Kubiak (or any head coach) to say anything negative, publicly, about any player. About the farthest he, or they, will go is making a "he needs to a better job at ______", and that's pushing the envelope.

They have to be careful with what they say.

We don't.

marks01234
10-24-2007, 12:26 PM
VY is established and already his teams offensive leader.
Bush is without question the Saints top Hot-Dog but will never be the guy he was projected to be whos real name is Adrian Peterson.
Haven't seen too much of Hawk this year, so I dunno ?
I would be sick if we took Mario and left AD on the Board, but I still dunno about the Mario vs. Bush argument ?

At this point, neither Bush nor Young is top 15 at their positions.

At this point, I would say Mario is.

Brando
10-24-2007, 12:43 PM
Yeah, his spin move isn't very pretty. It reminds me of Ace Ventura doing his slowmo at the psychiatric hospital. I forget which game it was, but I remember he attempted a spin move and actually fell down. It might of been the pre-season game vs the Cards. It's painful to watch. :gun:

I wish he looked more like this after a play...
http://th166.photobucket.com/albums/u94/Obsydiaan/th_AceVentura.gif
kidding...

I'm going to give Mario the rest of the season to make more progress but that's it. I want more sacks out of him.

Overalls
10-24-2007, 12:46 PM
At this point, neither Bush nor Young is top 15 at their positions.

At this point, I would say Mario is.

Don't make the VY guys mad. Didn't you know that the NFL had to create a new position for him, the godback position.

Thorn
10-24-2007, 12:55 PM
As of the 7th week....

For QBs, Vince Young is 30th (Schaub is 10th)

Mario Williams ranks near the bottom in both tackles and sacks

Reggie Bush is 30th in rushing

Leahmic223
10-24-2007, 01:02 PM
As of the 7th week....

For QBs, Vince Young is 30th (Schaub is 10th)

Mario Williams ranks near the bottom in both tackles and sacks

Reggie Bush is 30th in rushing

Which is exactly my point.

None of these guys are doing well. But its going to take TIME for us to know what type of player they will be. We've seen Travis step up his game vastly, its about that time for him(3rd or 4th season) that guys start to breakout and move towards to play their best football. Many guys don't play their best football their first or second year.

Thorn
10-24-2007, 01:08 PM
Like most folks, I'm irratated as hell with the season so far. Pissed off as a matter of fact.

But I also feel this D-line of ours is going to be the best in football someday. Something that will distinguish the Texans from other teams in the NFL. It won't be this year, as we can all see. And it probably won't be next year either.

However, if we are still bitching about this three years from now, I'll be pulling my hair out and bashing the D-line with everyone else.

Leahmic223
10-24-2007, 01:25 PM
Like most folks, I'm irratated as hell with the season so far. Pissed off as a matter of fact.

But I also feel this D-line of ours is going to be the best in football someday. Something that will distinguish the Texans from other teams in the NFL. It won't be this year, as we can all see. And it probably won't be next year either.

However, if we are still bitching about this three years from now, I'll be pulling my hair out and bashing the D-line with everyone else.

I'm with you on this.

I was a Carr Supporter until his last year here, at the start of last season I wasn't going to put up much with him, i'd give him his 4 years and he just looked the same and hardly ever improved.

I am going to give Mario that same time. I guess some of you would be willing to trade him, and watch him go somewhere or something and watch him become a dominant DE and then say you should have been more patient.
I think a lot of coaches feel Mario was a project, just like Bush and VY. They were all projects.

If you have the #1 pick you take a guy with a high ceiling rather than a high floor. Why get a guy who is going to peak to be a good player than take a guy who can potentially peak and become a GREAT player... you draft on potential and we all know the type of Potential Mario had coming into the NFL.

Thorn
10-24-2007, 01:36 PM
As far as drafting Mario, I was totally in favor of taking him instead of Bush when we did that two years ago. I have never thought Bush would amount to even half his hype in the NFL. I, however, was one of the VY crybabies. LOL

Schaub has helped me get over that though. :splits: