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zcity
10-16-2007, 08:32 PM
Not to toot my own Horn . . . . . . but - here is my prediction about Studdard from after preseason game #2 - 8/19/07

Studdard WILL NOT CAVE IN AT THE GOAL Line like pitts did on schaub's sneak attempt in the spread.

He takes this thing Personally - I am fired up that they are going to give this kid a chance !!!!!

http://texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41065&highlight=studdard

OLD THREAD STARTS HERE:

Kasey Studdard - Yesterday

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Am I the only one who was watching this guy yesterday ?

This guy CAN PLAY !!!!!

He was busting open holes for Lundy and Gado.

He was pulling and blowing out 2 guys at a time.

He was (and this was most suprprising) impressive in pass protection - on one play in particular - he got beat on an outside stunt but had the mobility to recover an make a saving block for Sage. He also made some great decisions on blitz pick up.

On one play where his man made the tackle it was after he punched his man back a few yards and the tackle was made after a 5 yard pick up on the ground.

This guy is going to push Chester !!!!

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Last edited by zcity : 08-19-2007 at 11:38 AM.

TexansLucky13
10-16-2007, 08:54 PM
I wonder if he can play center.

76Texan
10-16-2007, 09:17 PM
Almost all of us on this MB who posts anything regarding Studdard like him.

How good he can become, remains to be seen.
Fact is we lost McKinney, and therefore we need at least a backup at C and/or G.

Between Chris White and Kasey, at least one guy needs to emerge. They are being given the chance here.

DiehardChris
10-16-2007, 09:18 PM
So if you're not tooting your own horn what exactly is this?

76Texan
10-16-2007, 09:26 PM
So if you're not tooting your own horn what exactly is this?
LOL!

J-Russ
10-16-2007, 10:27 PM
Studdard is the back-up for Pitts right? I don't get why we just don't put Pitts at LT and let Studdard play LG. Salaam is playing horrible football right now, hes Victor Riley V.2. Pitts isn't doing all that great at LG this year either. Last time Pitts played at LT he was doing pretty well, maybe hes more comfortable at that position.

awtysst
10-16-2007, 10:32 PM
Studdard is the back-up for Pitts right? I don't get why we just don't put Pitts at LT and let Studdard play LG. Salaam is playing horrible football right now, hes Victor Riley V.2. Pitts isn't doing all that great at LG this year either. Last time Pitts played at LT he was doing pretty well, maybe hes more comfortable at that position.

In my opinion the weak link is center not LT. What we need to do is stick Weary at Center(a position he played in college) have White back him and put Studdard at RG.

Leahmic223
10-16-2007, 10:32 PM
Studdard is the back-up for Pitts right? I don't get why we just don't put Pitts at LT and let Studdard play LG. Salaam is playing horrible football right now, hes Victor Riley V.2. Pitts isn't doing all that great at LG this year either. Last time Pitts played at LT he was doing pretty well, maybe hes more comfortable at that position.

I was thinking the same thing. I mean how much worse can Pitts be at LT, because Salaam may get Schaub hurt if Schaub keeps talking hits like he does from his blindside. We knew Carr was a tough fellow, but I don't even want to test Schaubs toughness any longer.

Pitts just doesn't look comfortable at LG this year and Salaam should be covering Schaubs medical insurance the way he's playing.

76Texan
10-16-2007, 11:01 PM
Perhaps one of the reason Kubiak doesn't seem to be looking for Pitts at LT, where he played in 02 and 03 (I think he started all or most of the games there).

02: 15.5 sacks allowed, 9 penalties (incl. 5 holds)
03: 5.75 sacks allowed, 17 penalties (incl. 7 holds)

Texans Horror
10-17-2007, 09:05 AM
I think Pitts is having enough trouble holding the fort as LG to merit moving him to a position with more responsibility (LT).

Back on topic: Studdard Rules.

76Texan
10-17-2007, 09:21 AM
yea but chester hands over penalties at LG too...so...may as well have a guy who seems to be doing well out there too...

personally i'd rather see winston at LT than pitts...
I do, too.
Winston at LT (even though we haven't seen him going a whole lot against speedier and/or quicker guys) but he seems to be very smart and has good technique.
Jordan Black at RT (where he played better and more often with the Chiefs).

But I think Kubiak is pretty set in his way, expecting Spencer to be back next year; and therefore, he doesn't want to ruin a good thing with Winston already doing quite well at RT. JMO.

And so, we will probably see Black at LT sometimes as in the last game.

Long term, we can always hope that Rashad Butler develops enough to rejoin his old Hurricane teammate Winston as our bookends. Afterall, the Panthers did draft him at #89 last year.

nunusguy
10-17-2007, 09:47 AM
Studdard is well liked in these circles because he went to UT and his father was a buddy of Kubiaks in Denver. I get all of that.
But it takes us back to the basic issue of Kubiaks offensive system featuring ZB vs. OC Shermans system which features more power oriented blocking schemes. We've got a thread elsewhere which discusses at length this approach of trying to combine 2 such different systems which have a basic conflict in that certain players aren't suited to play both systems. Case in point is Studdard, who I understand has never been described as an athletic type as OLineman go, and therefor puts the lineup at a serious disadvantage when running ZB schemes.
So unless Studdard miraculously developed some quickness & footspeed since
coming to Houston and heretofor unseen, I still question the wisdom of drafting him & trying to develope him in a system that will probably soon disappear from the Texans offensive repertoire with the likelihood of the OC leaving soon for greener pastures ?

zcity
10-17-2007, 09:51 AM
I wonder if he can play center.

No, this guy is a guard - He is nasty - I want him pulling and blowing up guys.

He will beat his man when he HAS to. On those plays where the line must have a push - He will beat his man consistently.

I think Chester may be the guy on the bench. Salaam has heart !! He will stay on.

Kubes should make one move at a time in hopes of motivating Falanagan - If he doesn't get it together - He'll be next.

zcity
10-17-2007, 09:57 AM
Studdard is well liked in these circles because he went to UT and his father was a buddy of Kubiaks in Denver. I get all of that.
But it takes us back to the basic issue of Kubiaks offensive system featuring ZB vs. OC Shermans system which features more power oriented blocking schemes. We've got a thread elsewhere which discusses at length this approach of trying to combine 2 such different systems which have a basic conflict in that certain players aren't suited to play both systems. Case in point is Studdard, who I understand has never been described as an athletic type as OLineman go, and therefor puts the lineup at a serious disadvantage when running ZB schemes.
So unless Studdard miraculously developed some quickness & footspeed since
coming to Houston and heretofor unseen, I still question the wisdom of drafting him & trying to develope him in a system that will probably soon disappear from the Texans offensive repertoire with the likelihood of the OC leaving soon for greener pastures ?


This is NOT about Texas or the Kube's Family connection - This is about watching him in the preseason (albeit mostly against 2nd stringers) absolutely standing out in the ZB schemes. He makes up for pure athleticism with determination, grit and that nasy attitude. In watching the film - He does not stop pounding until after the whistle blows. He is always looking to finish off his man or find someone else to block.

Believe me - the only reason Kubes probably hasn't put him in thus far is he wanted to be EXTRA sure that he was ready to play so that the nepotism issue wouldn't come back and bit him in the arse.

nunusguy
10-17-2007, 10:20 AM
This is NOT about Texas or the Kube's Family connection - This is about watching him in the preseason (albeit mostly against 2nd stringers) absolutely standing out in the ZB schemes. He makes up for pure athleticism with determination, grit and that nasy attitude. In watching the film - He does not stop pounding until after the whistle blows. He is always looking to finish off his man or find someone else to block.
Believe me - the only reason Kubes probably hasn't put him in thus far is he wanted to be EXTRA sure that he was ready to play so that the nepotism issue wouldn't come back and bit him in the arse.
I'm sorry, but this is like saying Kevin Walters can make up for his lack of sprinters speed by being able to stretch the field as a real flyer at WR can
because of his sheer grit, his determination, his aggressiveness, etc.
Sounds good and while these guys may be popular with the locals and the coachs, Walters & Studdard are what they are. End of story.

zcity
10-17-2007, 10:29 AM
I'm sorry, but this is like saying Kevin Walters can make up for his lack of sprinters speed by being able to stretch the field as a real flyer at WR can
because of his sheer grit, his determination, his aggressiveness, etc.
Sounds good and while these guys may be popular with the locals and the coachs, Walters & Studdard are what they are. End of story.

We'll see how the story ends.

Hopefully it will be after 15 years as a starter on the Texans O Line.

The Walters, Studdard analogy is . . . uh - not so good.

Comparing apple to oranges. Walters needing speed to break free from coverage does not equate to the trenches at OG. You can make up for "measurables" with determination at OG - not to mention MLB - go ask Zach Thomas (5th rounder)

nunusguy
10-17-2007, 10:48 AM
We'll see how the story ends.

Hopefully it will be after 15 years as a starter on the Texans O Line.

The Walters, Studdard analogy is . . . uh - not so good.

Comparing apple to oranges. Walters needing speed to break free from coverage does not equate to the trenches at OG. You can make up for "measurables" with determination at OG - not to mention MLB - go ask Zach Thomas (5th rounder)

If we operate a predominantly power or man blocking scheme (whatever language you choose to use) and not ZB, I'm all for Studdard being in the lineup and on the field for the Texans. Otherwise it's a mismatch, apples and oranges as you say.

BigBull17
10-17-2007, 11:23 AM
In my opinion the weak link is center not LT. What we need to do is stick Weary at Center(a position he played in college) have White back him and put Studdard at RG.

I wouldnt be suprised in the least to see this coming. Fact is, with Franagin, we have looked 10 times worse as an oline than with Mckinie. I can see that coming. Or Pitts at RG and Studdard at LG. Either way, no Flanagen

76Texan
10-17-2007, 12:08 PM
I wouldnt be suprised in the least to see this coming. Fact is, with Franagin, we have looked 10 times worse as an oline than with Mckinie. I can see that coming. Or Pitts at RG and Studdard at LG. Either way, no Flanagen
I wouldn't be surprised either, but that is if only if Studdard play really well in practice and in whatever limited amount he has on the field to win the coaches over.

But I also don't see that Flanagan is so bad.
When I reviewed all the game film, it was each and everybody who contributes to a mistake here and there. The whole line, the TEs, the FB, and the RB.

Kubiak probably doesn't want to see personnel change at two positions at once during the season, unless it's a wash.

nunusguy
10-17-2007, 05:14 PM
"Just when the Texans were about to give rookie guard Kasey Studdard a chance, he had to leave practice early with some kind of leg injury. It's not believed to be serious, but if it limits his practice time much this week, he may not be in the mix Sunday against the Titans."

http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2007/10/pages_ripped_fr.html

beerlover
10-17-2007, 08:35 PM
Perhaps one of the reason Kubiak doesn't seem to be looking for Pitts at LT, where he played in 02 and 03 (I think he started all or most of the games there).

02: 15.5 sacks allowed, 9 penalties (incl. 5 holds)
03: 5.75 sacks allowed, 17 penalties (incl. 7 holds)

different QB & Kubiak was not the coach. During that "dark period in Texans history" Pitts showed continued improvement @ LT & has stated his desire to play there again.

Runner
10-17-2007, 08:44 PM
different QB & Kubiak was not the coach.

How ironic. A lot of very vocal posters this off-season said these were the two reasons (mainly the first) that the o-line would be good this year. Somehow there are still all these threads blaming the o-line for poor performance.



Was it Carr or the o-line?

I'm still sticking with the answer I had back then and took flack over - it was BOTH.

edo783
10-17-2007, 09:21 PM
I'm still sticking with the answer I had back then and took flack over - it was BOTH.

Yup, neither one did the other any favors. Together they were less than the sum of the parts.

The Pencil Neck
10-18-2007, 01:21 AM
I'm still sticking with the answer I had back then and took flack over - it was BOTH.

If you go back and read my posts, I said that our line was a little below average but looked horrible in pass protection because of Carr. And I said that getting rid of Carr and getting a decent QB back there would immediately improve our pass protection. I also said that we really wouldn't know how much was Carr and how much was the line until we were able to see the line without Carr for awhile. (The coaches probably already knew which factor was at issue in each of the sacks.)

But it's even more than that. Sometimes sacks can be blamed on a running back missing an assignment or a receiver not being in the right place. Only the coaches know when those things happen and can really use it to figure out what to fix.

I think we were OK at run blocking with McKinney out there. But I think that we were also better at run blocking with AJ out there. One of the problems with Andre Davis is that he's not a great blocker; AJ is bigger and more physical. In the press conference, Kubes said that on one play, AG got 9 yards when he should have gotten 29 and the reason he didn't get more was because a WR missed a block. I'm betting that was AD.

But playing against a strong line like the Jags really showed our line problems. IIRC, on that QB draw, Pitts got schooled. BUT... Kubes still went out of his way to mention Samkon missing an assignment (EDIT: although not necessarily on that play).