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Andrew6
10-14-2007, 09:17 PM
I know I may be reading into this a lil bit but are they going to start letting Rosenfels get some more reps? I was surprised to see Schaub on the sidelines with his head down showing emotion. Did they just take him out to save their #1 QB or did they put Rosenfels in to see how he would fair in the future?

PapaL
10-14-2007, 09:19 PM
Game was over. No point in getting your #1 hurt. That's why Sage was in there. Probably get him some game time as well.

AnthonyE
10-14-2007, 09:20 PM
I know I may be reading into this a lil bit but are they going to start letting Rosenfels get some more reps? I was surprised to see Schaub on the sidelines with his head down showing emotion. Did they just take him out to save their #1 QB or did they put Rosenfels in to see how he would fair in the future?

Oh, man, I don't know.

All I know is that Schaub can't throw a ball 40 yards. And Rosenfels can.

Pantherstang84
10-14-2007, 09:20 PM
It's called garbage time. Please don't read anything more than that into it. We don't need this debate to get started.

Andrew6
10-14-2007, 09:21 PM
It's called garbage time. Please don't read anything more than that into it. We don't need this debate to get started.


I was just wondering if they were going to do the 2 qb system they are doing over in arizona. A team usually practices and gets ready for a team by the QB they have in the game if you have 2 different types of QB's in its hard to get ready for something like that. AZ had some success with that.

NitroGSXR
10-14-2007, 09:24 PM
Lol. It was 30-9 when Rosenfels went in. No reason to leave Schaub out there any longer. That's all it was. Schaub is doing a kick ass job and is fine.

TheIronDuke
10-14-2007, 09:24 PM
Oh, man, I don't know.

All I know is that Schaub can't throw a ball 40 yards. And Rosenfels can.

You have to be freaking kidding. Andre Davis had the highest YPR in the NFL before this game. Schaub's thrown plenty of 40+ yard passes to date. Moronic post, IMO.

awtysst
10-14-2007, 09:24 PM
I was just wondering if they were going to do the 2 qb system they are doing over in arizona. A team usually practices and gets ready for a team by the QB they have in the game if you have 2 different types of QB's in its hard to get ready for something like that. AZ had some success with that.

Playing QB is also about being in a rhythm. By having your QBs switching off, you dont allow either to get into a rhythm. I dont like the idea personally.

Pantherstang84
10-14-2007, 09:25 PM
Lol. It was 30-9 when Rosenfels went in. No reason to leave Schaub out there any longer. That's all it was. Schaub is doing a kick ass job and is fine.

Exactly!

TheDrifter
10-14-2007, 09:26 PM
I was just wondering if they were going to do the 2 qb system they are doing over in arizona. A team usually practices and gets ready for a team by the QB they have in the game if you have 2 different types of QB's in its hard to get ready for something like that. AZ had some success with that.

Arizona's "success" was mostly yanking a stumbling Leinart and letting Warner do his thing.

It was hardly the balanced QBBC they act like....

Andrew6
10-14-2007, 09:26 PM
Lol. It was 30-9 when Rosenfels went in. No reason to leave Schaub out there any longer. That's all it was. Schaub is doing a kick ass job and is fine.

well thats kind of what got me why not atleast let Schaub pad his stats.

PapaL
10-14-2007, 09:28 PM
well thats kind of what got me why not atleast let Schaub pad his stats.

His stats were fine. We just couldn't punch it into the endzone. Same reason why Gado was in and Green was watching. Playing it safe when the game was out of reach.

Andrew6
10-14-2007, 09:30 PM
:: sigh :: hopefully this loss will light a fire under everyone and Houston will come out and blow up the Titans

drewmar74
10-14-2007, 09:30 PM
well thats kind of what got me why not atleast let Schaub pad his stats.

It's not about padding or not padding stats. It's about protecting the franchise QB when the game is out of reach.

Andrew6
10-14-2007, 09:32 PM
It's not about padding or not padding stats. It's about protecting the franchise QB when the game is out of reach.

like I said I wasn't trying to read tooo much into it

TheDrifter
10-14-2007, 09:32 PM
It's not about padding or not padding stats. It's about protecting the franchise QB when the game is out of reach.

Maybe he has Schaub on his Fantasy Team?

I could see the appeal then....

Andrew6
10-14-2007, 09:34 PM
:hides:
:fortune: Maybe he has Schaub on his Fantasy Team?

I could see the appeal then....

drewmar74
10-14-2007, 09:36 PM
:hides:
:fortune:

I feel your pain, dude. I started Schaub on two of my teams today....

Andrew6
10-14-2007, 09:37 PM
I feel your pain, dude. I started Schaub on two of my teams today....

:: sigh :: its getting painful

Htownsportsfan
10-14-2007, 09:55 PM
I was just wondering if they were going to do the 2 qb system they are doing over in arizona. A team usually practices and gets ready for a team by the QB they have in the game if you have 2 different types of QB's in its hard to get ready for something like that. AZ had some success with that.

No two Qb system in AZ as Leinart broke his collar bone.

Yankee_In_TX
10-14-2007, 10:02 PM
Game was over. No point in getting your #1 hurt. That's why Sage was in there. Probably get him some game time as well.

Period, end of story. No more Sage threads.

kiwitexansfan
10-14-2007, 10:20 PM
Oh, man, I don't know.

All I know is that Schaub can't throw a ball 40 yards. And Rosenfels can.

While Schaub may not have the strongest arm around it is strong enough to get the ball downfield for big plays.

In the first 6 games of this year, we've had more long pass plays than in the last couple of years of the strong armed Mr Carr.

RTP2110
10-14-2007, 10:22 PM
While Schaub may not have the strongest arm around it is strong enough to get the ball downfield for big plays.

In the first 6 games of this year, we've had more long pass plays than in the last couple of years of the strong armed Mr Carr.

Yup. A lot more goes into big plays than just arm strength.

stingray
10-14-2007, 10:25 PM
This is is just ridiculous.. Shaub played OK.. Not great but OK.. he would have had a TD if not for the boneheaded play by Davis.. Anyway, This is on the Defense, the defense stunk it up.. 3rd and 17 and the pussycats get a first, inexcusable.. The D has been letting us down not the O.

Marcus
10-14-2007, 10:41 PM
well thats kind of what got me why not atleast let Schaub pad his stats.

Pad his stats??:thud:

I think they should have a new rule on football message boards, to where members must say whether or not they play fantasy football, and if they do, put an asterisk by their login name.

That way, I can just put all the asterisks on ignore.

Runner
10-14-2007, 10:45 PM
This is is just ridiculous.. Shaub played OK.. Not great but OK.. he would have had a TD if not for the boneheaded play by Davis..

After 6 games the Texans have a mode of one offensive touchdown per game. That is a simple formula for repeated losses. I wouldn't grade a QB "OK" just because he should have led his team to one TD except for a dropped ball.

There are plenty of reasons and a great number of excuses for that pathetic stat, but the blame falls on everyone. Only a truly outstanding performance (such as Kevin Walter's or Kris Brown's career days) should raise anyone to an "OK until that stat is fixed.

stingray
10-14-2007, 11:49 PM
After 6 games the Texans have a mode of one offensive touchdown per game. That is a simple formula for repeated losses. I wouldn't grade a QB "OK" just because he should have led his team to one TD except for a dropped ball.

There are plenty of reasons and a great number of excuses for that pathetic stat, but the blame falls on everyone. Only a truly outstanding performance (such as Kevin Walter's or Kris Brown's career days) should raise anyone to an "OK until that stat is fixed.

They have one of the best Recievers in the league hurt and "probably" their number two reciever hurt also. I am not saying that Shaub has been great, but he really hasn't hurt this team, this team just doesn't really have an offensive punch right now.

Twitch-Houston
10-15-2007, 12:29 AM
Schaub is a good QB you can tell. I have faith in him, but he does seem to be good for almost a turnover a game. I do think though that he's one that learns from his mistakes. He threw those two bad interceptions in the red zone the first two games and hasn't since. He's had a couple of fumbles, but I think he'll figure something out to protect the ball better. When they showed him on the sideline with his hand over his face, I actually liked that. He has been pretty stoic in the games and it was good to see some emotion from him.

In the past we all hated when Carr was smiling on the sidelines while the Texans were getting killed. Schaub seems to take the game seriously. We have to remember he's essentially a rookie. This is his first year as a starter. There will be growing pains. He's already shown a lot of good things that Carr never did.

OK I'm starting to ramble a little bit, but you get the picture. I'm going to finish this 1554 and hit the sack. Hopefully I'll wake up to news that the Texans signed Michael Turner and André Johnson's twin brother. (wait I must have fallen asleep and started dreaming)

Pantherstang84
10-15-2007, 12:34 AM
Schaub is a good QB you can tell. I have faith in him, but he does seem to be good for almost a turnover a game. I do think though that he's one that learns from his mistakes. He threw those two bad interceptions in the red zone the first two games and hasn't since. He's had a couple of fumbles, but I think he'll figure something out to protect the ball better. When they showed him on the sideline with his hand over his face, I actually liked that. He has been pretty stoic in the games and it was good to see some emotion from him.

In the past we all hated when Carr was smiling on the sidelines while the Texans were getting killed. Schaub seems to take the game seriously. We have to remember he's essentially a rookie. This is his first year as a starter. There will be growing pains. He's already shown a lot of good things that Carr never did.

OK I'm starting to ramble a little bit, but you get the picture. I'm going to finish this 1554 and hit the sack. Hopefully I'll wake up to news that the Texans signed Michael Turner and André Johnson's twin brother. (wait I must have fallen asleep and started dreaming)


Good point.

The Pencil Neck
10-15-2007, 12:37 AM
Schaub played fine. There were a couple of throws I would have preferred he not over/under throw but you can say that of almost any QB. I really didn't like that intentional grounding and I didn't like the fumble. But he's playing well.

We need better play-calling in the red zone.

But... even though we only put up 60 yards rushing on the Jags D, we were moving the ball pretty easily on one of the best defenses in the league. We just need to get it into the endzone. That fumble by Andre really, really hurt.

The Pencil Neck
10-15-2007, 12:38 AM
Not to say anything about the water works from his eyes.

I want a QB that cares about the game.

2BCF
10-15-2007, 12:47 AM
I want a QB that cares about the game.

Well, caddy wants a QB with bangin' hair and nancy-boy gloves!

Andrew6
10-15-2007, 01:36 AM
my thought is, if we had not gotten so screwed at the begining and got forced into throwing so much we could have settled down more and ran the ball. A team that has to fight from behind will have to throw more making them more suceptible to interceptions. Schaub did the best he could do. We do need to work more on the play calling in the red zone and in the draft next year pick up a RB that will be here for a while. I beleive our secondary is really starting to look alot better. There aren't alot of teams breaking 70 yard pass plays on us. Generally Houstons been great at stopping a teams run. I think the reason MJD had such a good day is the defense was just completely wore down. They never had to punt the ball. I think alot of that had to do on piss poor calls by the officals. JMHO

jaxfan21
10-15-2007, 08:44 AM
Actually if you get any inside info you will know that Schuab was pulled due to him being "dinged" as a Houston coach quoted after the game. You will hear more about this after his test results come back probably on Tuesday.

Marcus
10-15-2007, 09:04 AM
Another post, by you...not about football...

Hey caddy, just how do you expect people to react to your agenda driven posts? You bang on the Carr critics, while at the same time, you had nothing good to say about Schaub???

You made your bed. Sleep in it.

Hervoyel
10-15-2007, 09:28 AM
Gee, could it have been carrying the ball like a loaf of bread and getting his 6th. fumble returend, for a touchdown and got benched. Not to say anything about the water works from his eyes.


Isn't there a "davidcarrtalk.com" message board somewhere wondering where you are right now?

Just curious.

Texan_Bill
10-15-2007, 09:37 AM
Period, end of story. No more Sage threads.

BS... I'm starting a 'Start Sage' thread right now... Afterall, he was responsible for our only TD yesterday......






:sarcasm:

Hervoyel
10-15-2007, 10:03 AM
Yeah, I'm curious too, about getting our butts hand to us and you want to bring David Carr in to this.... Weak, but go ahead and put your head in the sand.

We got our butts handed to us and niether Matt Schaub nor David Carr could have prevented that from happening. You can dance around the guys name all you want (leaving it to someone else to mention "David Carr" first) but there's not a single poster on this board who doesn't understand that your agenda is as much about knocking his replacement (and defending ol' DC after the fact) as it ever is about the Texans and the win/loss column.

There are a handful of posters still here who have been waiting for a truly bad Schaub game.The "Fresno Mafia" has moved on for the most part but there are still people who want to see the next guy fail because in their minds it makes the first guy look better.

You're one of them. It's hard to miss really.

Twitch-Houston
10-15-2007, 10:36 AM
There are a handful of posters still here who have been waiting for a truly bad Schaub game.The "Fresno Mafia" has moved on for the most part but there are still people who want to see the next guy fail because in their minds it makes the first guy look better.

You're one of them. It's hard to miss really.

Schaub's worse game so far has still looked better than Carr's best in my opinion.

Errant Hothy
10-15-2007, 11:15 AM
Yeah, yeah, another great post. Same thing as the rest of your stuff. BOO-Hoo it's all David's fault. Grow-up, he's gone.

Please take your own advice as well.

Chance_C
10-15-2007, 11:22 AM
Yeah, yeah, another great post. Same thing as the rest of your stuff. BOO-Hoo it's all David's fault. Grow-up, he's gone.

Note: This is not about football. Why do you even come to this board? I seriously would like to know. It is very obvious that you are not a Texans' fan, but a David Carr fan. One has to seriously question your mental capacity (or your sexuality) since it is obvious that you cannot see that David Carr sucks. He is now a Carolina Panther, and the damn jabs that you continue to throw have gotten way more than old. Do yourself and everyone on this board a favor and log the **** out. Mods can we put this to a vote?

Texan_Bill
10-15-2007, 11:22 AM
We got our butts handed to us and niether Matt Schaub nor David Carr could have prevented that from happening. You can dance around the guys name all you want (leaving it to someone else to mention "David Carr" first) but there's not a single poster on this board who doesn't understand that your agenda is as much about knocking his replacement (and defending ol' DC after the fact) as it ever is about the Texans and the win/loss column.

There are a handful of posters still here who have been waiting for a truly bad Schaub game.The "Fresno Mafia" has moved on for the most part but there are still people who want to see the next guy fail because in their minds it makes the first guy look better.

You're one of them. It's hard to miss really.

Yeah, yeah, another great post. Same thing as the rest of your stuff. BOO-Hoo it's all David's fault. Grow-up, he's gone.

I'm pretty sure that's was Hervoyel said... He's gone, however there are still a few Carr Pimps that really do want to see Schaub perform poorly. And for those so-called Texans fans, they are pathetic. Schaub is our guy. PERIOD!

TexasOutlaw
10-15-2007, 11:31 AM
Schaub needs to protect the ball. He has a serious problem with that. Otherwise his game is excellant.

Zoolander is a joke. How did he hurt his back ? He's spineless.

Hervoyel
10-15-2007, 11:34 AM
Yeah, yeah, another great post. Same thing as the rest of your stuff. BOO-Hoo it's all David's fault. Grow-up, he's gone.

You should click on my name to the left of this post and select "Find More Posts by Hervoyel". Then you would see that I've spent much of my time commenting on things like the problems with our running game and the sad state of affairs with our defense.

You might then compare that to your own posting history and the string of broken-record like posts that all dance around the one guy who isn't in the room anymore. You need to let go of the guy caddy. Sometimes despite how much we want it to work out we're just wrong about a player.

Hervoyel
10-15-2007, 11:37 AM
Schaub needs to protect the ball. He has a serious problem with that. Otherwise his game is excellant.

Zoolander is a joke. How did he hurt his back ? He's spineless.

He does. There are definitely problems with some of the things Matt Schaub does. Kubiak will either work them out or he'll flush him and likely at the same time doom himself because he's tied his wagon to Matt Schaub just like he did to David Carr when he came here. You can get away with that so many times and then you'll be heading out the door with them.

Still, Matt Schaub looks better in his 6th game as the Texans starter than David Carr did in any game he played here.

Right now we're not playing very well. That can't be denied. We've on average looked a lot better this year than we did last year or at any time since 2002 (with two exceptions. Our running game was better in 2003-2004 and our defense was better in 2002).

Thorn
10-15-2007, 11:37 AM
Schaub had some screw ups yesterday, that's for sure. But Schaub shown more natural talent for the QB position in five games than Carr did in five years.

HOU-TEX
10-15-2007, 11:39 AM
Schaub needs to protect the ball. He has a serious problem with that. Otherwise his game is excellant.


IMO the problem is blindside protection. Salaam and Pitts have been getting beat on a constant basis. It's hard to hold on to the ball when you're getting planted from the backside.

On the play the fumble for a TD occured, the camera came back and showed Salaam sitting on his butt from getting beat. That picture was a sign of defeat. :wild:

HoustonFrog
10-15-2007, 11:44 AM
Schaub had some screw ups yesterday, that's for sure. But Schaub shown more natural talent for the QB position in five games than Carr did in five years.

I agree and I can't even believe this a thread. I am starting to think that people as Texans fans will never be happy with what we have. When I see Schaub play it is on another level than what we have had before. Our running game has been non-existent and we have injuries everywhere but this guy stands in and take a beating at times while delivering passes. He has his head in the game and I rarely see bad sacks. I think the guy is playing like a vet despite having 7-8 starts in his career. I think we got lucky to get him.

Brando
10-15-2007, 11:50 AM
Actually if you get any inside info you will know that Schuab was pulled due to him being "dinged" as a Houston coach quoted after the game. You will hear more about this after his test results come back probably on Tuesday.

He was injured in the Falcons game. He was benched due to the game being out of reach, so why risk your franchise QB?

"I think Sage needed the reps," Kubiak said. "Matt took some shots. He's a battler. He's in there playing his tail off. I didn't think it made very much sense to beat him up anymore. I felt the same way as I did about Ahman (Green)."
chron.com (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5213838.html)



caddy, you seem to revel in the fact when you think Schaub plays poorly, talking about a vendetta. No offense but are you David's Grandfather?

stevn8r
10-15-2007, 11:55 AM
Schaub did not have 100 missed tackles yesterday! That lil' midget ran right over (or under, depending on your perspective) our D! That was a problem.
3rd and 17 and no stop! was a problem
Bad officiating! was a problem
no touchdowns in the red zone was a problem!
Our TEAM lost, not Schaub!
And BTW CADDY, The only one that is "curious" is Carr and it is called "BI-Curious"

TexasOutlaw
10-15-2007, 12:25 PM
I am not going to get involved in comparing Schaub to Carr because I really can't educate that kind of *****.

Schuabs fumble's are going to be addressed. And in the Miami and Jags game he was underthrowing receivers. Consider him a 2nd year QB and he has done well.

PapaL
10-15-2007, 12:44 PM
Where is that blasted ignore button?

Porky
10-15-2007, 12:46 PM
Schaub vs. Carr is like comparing Ron Dayne to Adrian Peterson. Nuff said.

The way I view Schaub is like a rookie with a better feel for the offense. Remember, this is only his 8th start. My only issue with the guy is ball security and red zone efficiency. I have very little doubt he will rectify this over time, and the red zone problems are not in the least all on him.

Look at how well Schaub is doing without one of the best 4-5 WR's in the game, NO running game to speak of, and a journeyman LT and Center. Frankly, it AMAZING that the guy is playing as well as he is and putting up the stats he is. Imagine if Peterson had fallen a couple more spots, and AP was in our backfield. Having a dynamic threat at the tailback position would open up the passing game, and Schaub would be having a great yr, as would the offense in general. We are a very good RB and LT away from being a dynamic top 5 offense, including in scoring not just moving the ball between the 20's as we are doing now. I feel it, and I know it's coming within the next yr or two at most.

Patience my friends, patience. :texflag:

Thorn
10-15-2007, 12:51 PM
We are a very good RB and LT away from being a dynamic top 5 offense, including in scoring not just moving the ball between the 20's as we are doing now. I feel it, and I know it's coming within the next yr or two at most.

Patience my friends, patience. :texflag:

Exactly what I've been saying. We are about two to three players away from having a killer offense. The pieces are falling into place, but they ain't all there yet.

Hervoyel
10-15-2007, 12:54 PM
Imagine if Peterson had fallen a couple more spots, and AP was in our backfield. Having a dynamic threat at the tailback position would open up the passing game, and Schaub would be having a great yr, as would the offense in general.


I've had this thought a couple of times this year and as much as I love the play of Amobi Akoye I can't ignore the fact that the way we play defense Earl Cochrane could not consistently pressure the QB just as easily as any of our other first rounders and for a lot less money.

Mind you, I think it's the scheme we're employing and not the talent level of the players (for the most part) but if Peterson had been there I'd rather have Peterson than Akoye. A good RB helps a defense by keeping them on the sidelines resting.

What's done is done though. I'd really love to see the Texans draft a monster back like Peterson though. I don't think this team has ever had what I'd consider a true franchise running back (Green I can't count of course because he did all his damage in Green Bay, we got the bones to pick over)

Errant Hothy
10-15-2007, 01:03 PM
Where is that blasted ignore button?

Go to your, User CP


then, Bubby/ignore list

and type in the name of the member you wish to ignore.

:D

HoustonFrog
10-15-2007, 01:11 PM
Yeah, yeah, another great post. Same thing as the rest of your stuff. BOO-Hoo it's all David's fault. Grow-up, he's gone.

As Buffalo Bill Caddy mounts his Carr bighead on his wall.

"It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again.."

Marcus
10-15-2007, 01:17 PM
Schaub vs. Carr is like comparing Ron Dayne to Adrian Peterson. Nuff said.

The way I view Schaub is like a rookie with a better feel for the offense. Remember, this is only his 8th start. My only issue with the guy is ball security and red zone efficiency. I have very little doubt he will rectify this over time, and the red zone problems are not in the least all on him.

Look at how well Schaub is doing without one of the best 4-5 WR's in the game, NO running game to speak of, and a journeyman LT and Center. Frankly, it AMAZING that the guy is playing as well as he is and putting up the stats he is. Imagine if Peterson had fallen a couple more spots, and AP was in our backfield. Having a dynamic threat at the tailback position would open up the passing game, and Schaub would be having a great yr, as would the offense in general. We are a very good RB and LT away from being a dynamic top 5 offense, including in scoring not just moving the ball between the 20's as we are doing now. I feel it, and I know it's coming within the next yr or two at most.

Patience my friends, patience. :texflag:
Absolutely! Rep coming your way. Hail to the :devilpig:

real
10-15-2007, 01:23 PM
A QB who plays well and doesn't hurt his team despite things not being perfect around him...

Who'd have ever thunk it...

If David Carr would have had that same game yesterday under those same circumstances, someone would need to wake you up becuase you'd be dreaming...

stevn8r
10-15-2007, 03:17 PM
This thread has drifted way off target. It is titled "Shaub/roseNfels" (I had to add the "N" and fix the random "L" but who's paying attention)
Anyone worth their salt in analyzing football knows that we have something special on our hands with "Big Bad Schaub" and I think we are Blessed to have Sage as a back up! That cat is awesome! God forbid anything happen to Matt, but if it did, we are in very capable hands
:fans:

Texans Horror
10-15-2007, 03:31 PM
I gotta admit that with Matt sitting on the bench, I couldn't help thinking of Kubiak doing the same thing to Carr last year and to Steve Young before that (IIRC). I really don't think that's what was going on, but I couldn't help thinking it. A large part of his bad performance (and I do think it was bad) can be blamed on a piss-poor o-line that gets worse with every game.

HOU-TEX
10-15-2007, 03:43 PM
I gotta admit that with Matt sitting on the bench, I couldn't help thinking of Kubiak doing the same thing to Carr last year and to Steve Young before that (IIRC). I really don't think that's what was going on, but I couldn't help thinking it. A large part of his bad performance (and I do think it was bad) can be blamed on a piss-poor o-line that gets worse with every game.

19 of 31 for 259 yards and a pick that wasn't his fault is a "bad performance"? Not to mention the TD pass that was fumbled out of bounds.

I have to wonder what you used to say about YKW's 100 something yard games. :gun:

How the hell can somebody say it was a bad performance by Schaub? Sure, it wasn't the best, but dang. Freaking amazing! :bat:

HoustonFrog
10-15-2007, 04:42 PM
19 of 31 for 259 yards and a pick that wasn't his fault is a "bad performance"? Not to mention the TD pass that was fumbled out of bounds.

I have to wonder what you used to say about YKW's 100 something yard games. :gun:

How the hell can somebody say it was a bad performance by Schaub? Sure, it wasn't the best, but dang. Freaking amazing! :bat:

Couldn't have said it better. Not only that but at one point in the game he was 14-18 and pretty much had a TD his receiver screwed him on. As the game went on and got more out of hand he had to force some things and had the fumble but during the game I saw a guy making plays and still avoiding unnecessary sacks. It still amazes me people want to complain. He wasn't perfect but he was still better than anything we have had...and that was his "bad" game.

HOU-TEX
10-15-2007, 05:06 PM
Couldn't have said it better. Not only that but at one point in the game he was 14-18 and pretty much had a TD his receiver screwed him on. As the game went on and got more out of hand he had to force some things and had the fumble but during the game I saw a guy making plays and still avoiding unnecessary sacks. It still amazes me people want to complain. He wasn't perfect but he was still better than anything we have had...and that was his "bad" game.

It's crazy isn't it?

Schaub is:

-8th in completion %
-4th in yardage behind Brady, Favre and Romo
-T6th in yds/play
-8th in yds/game
-9th in passer rating

The only thing statwise that is bad is his number of TDs. How much of that is his fault?

The bottom line is, Schaub's the best thing this team could've asked for besides the obvious Rick Smith and Kubiak & co.

:texflag:

Hooston Texan
10-15-2007, 05:38 PM
Well, there was a reference to (and appearance by) the Fresno Mafia earlier in the thread, so I thought the Virginia Mafia should be heard from, too.

Matt clearly needs to improve ball security. However, the best way to ensure you don't fumble it is to not try to throw the ball in traffic (his lost fumbles against Atlanta and Miami were because of this). If he would prematurely tuck the ball away and run, he probably would not fumble as much. But then, if he did that, he'd be a few steps away from being David Carr, and who wants that?

Right now, Matt is moving the offense despite the fact that he has only the slightest semblance of a running game, a bunch of signed-off-the-street WRs, and a questionable OL (certainly not the horrid bunch that Carr made them appear to be, but our OL ain't exactly the '72 Dolphins). Frankly, I wish Kubiak would rely on Schaub more in the red zone, his overthrow to Walter on the ill-fated second possession aside.

As for the initial thrust of the topic (Schaub and Rosenfels), I can't imagine anyone reading too much into a backup's late TD drive after the game was far out of reach. Yes, I'm an unabashed Schaub-homer, but when I see Sage play, I understand why he is the backup. His footwork in the pocket is downright strange--the guy looks like he's on rollerskates--but he does overcome it. I'm certainly glad we have him, but I can see why a good-mechanics guy like Kubiak would not be comfortable with Rosenfels as a starter.

AnthonyE
10-15-2007, 08:43 PM
While Schaub may not have the strongest arm around it is strong enough to get the ball downfield for big plays.

In the first 6 games of this year, we've had more long pass plays than in the last couple of years of the strong armed Mr Carr.

The only problem is that all of those long pass plays have been severely underthrown with the exception of that 40 yard pass yesterday.

AnthonyE
10-15-2007, 08:46 PM
It's crazy isn't it?

Schaub is:

-8th in completion %
-4th in yardage behind Brady, Favre and Romo
-T6th in yds/play
-8th in yds/game
-9th in passer rating

The only thing statwise that is bad is his number of TDs. How much of that is his fault?

The bottom line is, Schaub's the best thing this team could've asked for besides the obvious Rick Smith and Kubiak & co.

:texflag:

Good post, had no idea.

Vinny
10-15-2007, 09:05 PM
How the hell can somebody say it was a bad performance by Schaub? Sure, it wasn't the best, but dang. Freaking amazing! :bat:lots of people don't pay attention and take the easy path of blame. I used to be amazed at people making bizarre out to lunch statements too...but it's just so common....I'm jaded now.

Hagar
10-15-2007, 09:08 PM
I'm a Rosenfels supporter from last year and would have rather seen the Texans give it a go with Rosenfels then trade for Schaub. I just don't like giving up draft picks and the 2 second round picks have hurt and will hurt us next year.

Having said that, Schaub has done everything right and has been a good addition to our team. Schaub is a leader and damn good QB. The only fault I can see is that he under throws some of his long ball and that isn't a reason to bench him.

We couldn't run on the Jags yesterday and they knew it too, so the DL pinned its ears back and went full bore after Schaub. Every DLman has to make a read on weather the play is a run or a pass. Its a decision that comes naturally and most DLmen don't even realize they are making the decision most of the time. But, that read/decision creates a nanosecond of hesitation that allows the OLman to have an advantage. If the DLman doesn't have to make that decision, it has a dramatic effect in the trench warfare.

hookinreds
10-15-2007, 09:54 PM
Why the hell did this make it past the initial post? Good grief.

Texans Horror
10-16-2007, 09:56 AM
How the hell can somebody say it was a bad performance by Schaub? Sure, it wasn't the best, but dang. Freaking amazing! :bat:

It was an off-day. He looked worse than he did in the other games. He's underthrowing receivers. Picks are picks. It wasn't his best. Take whatever you want. I'm not comparing him to past quarterbacks; I'm judging him on the season. He looked much better in the first few games than he did in Jacksonville. But my point was that it was the fault of his o-line. If the o-line stepped up their play, he'd have had a much better day.

The Texans need a LT and a C in a bad way. Have needed them for a long time, and not just swing players either.

Hervoyel
10-16-2007, 10:20 AM
You know, early on (I think it was the opening drive, might have been the second one) when Schaub was rolling to his right and I thought he was going to go out of bounds he totally amazed me when he hit Walter for the first down. I remember sitting back and just smiling after that play. We didn't get a lot of that kind of effort to make a play or ability to keep the eyes focused downfield from 2002 to 2006. That was a pleasure to see.

I just keep thinking about the current circumstances (backup center, backup left tackle, no running game to speak of) and thinking that this is only his 6th start for us. We got beat, it happens. We're still going to be seeing amazing things from Matt Schaub.

Texans Horror
10-16-2007, 10:27 AM
You know, early on (I think it was the opening drive, might have been the second one) when Schaub was rolling to his right and I thought he was going to go out of bounds he totally amazed me when he hit Walter for the first down. I remember sitting back and just smiling after that play. We didn't get a lot of that kind of effort to make a play or ability to keep the eyes focused downfield from 2002 to 2006. That was a pleasure to see.

I just keep thinking about the current circumstances (backup center, backup left tackle, no running game to speak of) and thinking that this is only his 6th start for us. We got beat, it happens. We're still going to be seeing amazing things from Matt Schaub.

That was a very bad-ass play, by any quarterback standards.

HoustonFrog
10-16-2007, 10:36 AM
You know, early on (I think it was the opening drive, might have been the second one) when Schaub was rolling to his right and I thought he was going to go out of bounds he totally amazed me when he hit Walter for the first down. I remember sitting back and just smiling after that play. We didn't get a lot of that kind of effort to make a play or ability to keep the eyes focused downfield from 2002 to 2006. That was a pleasure to see.

I just keep thinking about the current circumstances (backup center, backup left tackle, no running game to speak of) and thinking that this is only his 6th start for us. We got beat, it happens. We're still going to be seeing amazing things from Matt Schaub.

Well said. I liked that play and then maybe the next drive where he stood in the pocket and threw a laser to the middle of the field to Andre, I believe, for 20 yards. He just makes plays that I'm not used to seeing and his head is always downfield.

HOU-TEX
10-16-2007, 12:22 PM
It was an off-day. He looked worse than he did in the other games. He's underthrowing receivers. Picks are picks. It wasn't his best. Take whatever you want. I'm not comparing him to past quarterbacks; I'm judging him on the season. He looked much better in the first few games than he did in Jacksonville. But my point was that it was the fault of his o-line. If the o-line stepped up their play, he'd have had a much better day.

The Texans need a LT and a C in a bad way. Have needed them for a long time, and not just swing players either.

I agree. Don't get me wrong. I strongly believe we need some Oline help. I'm just pointing out what Schaub has been able to do with what he's had to work with. He's making plays, not all of them yet, but he's coming along quite nicely IMO.:cool:

Errant Hothy
10-16-2007, 12:28 PM
You know, early on (I think it was the opening drive, might have been the second one) when Schaub was rolling to his right and I thought he was going to go out of bounds he totally amazed me when he hit Walter for the first down. I remember sitting back and just smiling after that play. We didn't get a lot of that kind of effort to make a play or ability to keep the eyes focused downfield from 2002 to 2006. That was a pleasure to see.

I just keep thinking about the current circumstances (backup center, backup left tackle, no running game to speak of) and thinking that this is only his 6th start for us. We got beat, it happens. We're still going to be seeing amazing things from Matt Schaub.

I think that alot of people are forgetting just how little game time Schuab has under his belt. For all intents and purposes he's a rookie, well maybe a rookie who has sat a year, but still in terms of full speed NFL games he's a rook. And yet he does not act, nor play, like a rookie at times.

it's been a rather fun watching him develop and trying to figure out just how much better he might get.