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dickieb
10-09-2007, 08:44 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5200826.html

I guess we see the league's take on the situation. I agree with this decision though I still think TJ's tirade after the game was definately classless and uncalled for. If anything they should have fined him for his dumba$$ post game comments.

Texans Horror
10-09-2007, 08:57 PM
I agree. TJ may be completely classless in continuing to act like a dumbass, but he took a hard hit to the knees. It doesn't warrant a fine.

Brandon420tx
10-09-2007, 08:58 PM
The team is still free to punish him if they want. (As in not starting or something) I doubt they do though, I'm sure he will have a talk with Kubiak or Mcnair if he hasn't already.

The Pencil Neck
10-09-2007, 09:01 PM
I agree. TJ may be completely classless in continuing to act like a dumbass, but he took a hard hit to the knees. It doesn't warrant a fine.

Jamie Dukes was talking about how there really should be a fine. He said that if there was a fine on Jonathon Vilma (or whoever it was) for taking out Losman's knees then there should be a fine on Green for taking out Travis Johnson's knees.

I thought that was interesting.

Texans Horror
10-09-2007, 09:02 PM
Didn't Kubiak already suggest that the competition committee should look at the play and see about making the hit illegal? I see TJ getting his ass chewed out up one side and down the other for making the Texans sound like a bunch of ignorants, but I don't see disciplinary action taken.

Leahmic223
10-09-2007, 09:12 PM
Jamie Dukes was talking about how there really should be a fine. He said that if there was a fine on Jonathon Vilma (or whoever it was) for taking out Losman's knees then there should be a fine on Green for taking out Travis Johnson's knees.

I thought that was interesting.

Like I mentioned in another thread. Its funny because a lot of the Ex NFL players understand where Travis was coming from. I've heard TWO NFL players trash Travis and both admitted that they always used to throw those types of blocks, and one of them was a Guard for the Denver Friggin Broncos(Schlereth) so I bet he doesn't want to hear anyone whine about a low block.

Travis had a right to be mad on the field, he should have cooled off for the post game interview though.

mexican_texan
10-09-2007, 09:14 PM
I'd love to hear JP Losman's take on this.

BigBull17
10-09-2007, 09:55 PM
Im cool with no fine. He got it from his coach, his teamates, and the fans of this town. Thats alot more to a player than 5 grand. He was just speaking his mind about what he thinks is a chicken bleep block. And Greens "he outweighs me by 100 pounds" crap doesnt fly. Your a football player. Buck up and do it right, or get out of the way. Besides, like TJ catches Ginn ever. Only if Ginn had a broken leg and was on stilts. But, what do I know right?

The1ApplePie
10-09-2007, 10:17 PM
I think being a bust is punishment enough for TJ.

Vinnie
10-09-2007, 10:36 PM
I'm glad there is no further penalty. He was given his penalty on the field, and that's where it ended as far as the league is concerned and I couldn't agree more. His off-field comments may have lacked class, but were not illegal, so why officially punish him further? The media took care of that anyway.

BigBull17
10-09-2007, 10:50 PM
I agree, he has been crucified by the media. He spoke his mind and now he has to deal with it. At leasst its over for now and maybe people will not put us next to the Bengels as thugs. Before he gets strung up though, the media people should have a few priorities. He isnt a drug dealer, he hasnt killed any one driving drunk, nor had a body guard do it for him. So maybe they can get off his back for speaking his mind when he had nothing to do with the injury.

threetoedpete
10-10-2007, 01:35 AM
I think being a bust is punishment enough for TJ.

Travis Johnson is not a bust. What he is is a guy who was over evaluated by the former scouting department. Those guys are gone now. He got picked twenty spots too high. That is not T.J.'s fault. They redo his deal and bring more in line to his tallents I have no problem with his roster spot. You guys might as well realize, they can't have forty first round guys starting and contributing. The last incident might get him run off. Already had my say on the subject. The fact of the matter is if a certain someone had made a proper tackle, all of this would be moot. The cheap sucker low block would have never of happened.

Dread-Head
10-10-2007, 08:32 AM
Of course he shouldn't be fined. He didn't do anything. The man took a helmet to the knee and landed on his head. He shouldn't have EVEN been penalized.

Hervoyel
10-10-2007, 08:52 AM
Of course he shouldn't be fined. He didn't do anything. The man took a helmet to the knee and landed on his head. He shouldn't have EVEN been penalized.


Lets not get nuts here now. For losing his composure on the field Travis Johnson (and by extension the entire team) was assessed a penalty. I can accept that and see nothing wrong with them throwing that flag.

That should have been the extent of it. I spent a lot of time over at Fin Heaven talking to Dolphins fans and some of them get it completely. Not many though. Most are still talking about how Travis Johnson "stood" over Trent Green while he was nearly dying and "taunted" him relentlessly until Danny Clark had to physicially drag him away to keep him from stomping on Trent Greens head and urinating on his back.

Most of them were pretty reasonable folks and fun to talk to until that happened. then they went "witch hunt" on TJ and no amount of facts and reason is going to get in their way.

Most years I don't bother going to other teams boards. I make a point of avoiding it. I think that's because I've seen the kinds of trolls that roll into the Texans boards during the season and just never wanted to be that kind of poster. This year I'm making a point of going over to the rival board every week (thanks to that Fan2Fan network thing on the front page) and it's really been interesting watching how things work on the other side. Sweeping generalizations follow:

I thought the Chiefs fans were kind of cocky at first but they were gracious in defeat and fun to talk to for the most part.

Panthers fans were the same way and kind of in shock after the game. They were pulling the "Red Alert" button and sounding all doom and gloom after losing to us. They're touchy about Carr.

I've never liked talking to Colts fans. They are the epitome of arrogant in my opinion and to hear them tell it nobody ever beat the Colts. The Colts just had an off-day when that happens. There is no other team in the NFL I prefer to see lose more than the Colts.

Atlanta fans were like the Dolphin fans. They came in humble and expecting to lose. I thought the Falcons fans were pretty gracious in victory and a pleasure to talk to. Dolphin fans were only interested in what went wrong with their team and in villifying TJ after the game. They were close to impossible to talk to.

The Jacksonville board that we're pointed to this week looks dead to me. Half the articles on the front page seem to be from prior to the start of the season. That's not a good thing.

Double Barrel
10-10-2007, 11:02 AM
Anyone get the feeling that TJ won't be a Texan in 2008?

I can see this FO moving him at some point during the off-season. It's a shame, IMO, but they have always been a bit hardline about negative press towards the Texans.

powerfuldragon
10-10-2007, 11:06 AM
though i agree with the decision, i must say that i'm surprised by it.

Texans_Chick
10-10-2007, 11:07 AM
That should have been the extent of it. I spent a lot of time over at Fin Heaven talking to Dolphins fans and some of them get it completely. Not many though. Most are still talking about how Travis Johnson "stood" over Trent Green while he was nearly dying and "taunted" him relentlessly until Danny Clark had to physicially drag him away to keep him from stomping on Trent Greens head and urinating on his back.

Most of them were pretty reasonable folks and fun to talk to until that happened. then they went "witch hunt" on TJ and no amount of facts and reason is going to get in their way.



Exactly. On Demons and Saints: A Story About Travis Johnson and Media Hype (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/10/10/on-demons-and-saints-a-story-about-travis-johnson-and-media-hyp/)

Goldensilence
10-10-2007, 11:19 AM
though i agree with the decision, i must say that i'm surprised by it.

Me too..with the "sherrif" in town that did suprise me.

So i quietly wonder what if Green isn't injured what would've happened. Does Green get fined or flagged? Does the media broil him?

As for the post game comments... I am sure he cooleddown during the game then when it was brought up postgame it probably got his emotions running again about the entire incident.Not saying i agree with any of it...but i can understand why he said what he said.

Vinny
10-10-2007, 11:24 AM
Me too..with the "sherrif" in town that did suprise me.

So i quietly wonder what if Green isn't injured what would've happened. Does Green get fined or flagged? Does the media broil him?
Why? It was a legal hit...a reason they didn't throw the flag of course. z While it isn't considered kosher to gun for the knees, I think it's obvious that Green didn't intend to knock himself out with Johnson's knee. When you see a man that much bigger than you and you have to block him you always go low. Ask Isaiah Robertson.

Goldensilence
10-10-2007, 11:31 AM
Why? It was a legal hit...a reason they didn't throw the flag of course. z While it isn't considered kosher to gun for the knees, I think it's obvious that Green didn't intend to knock himself out with Johnson's knee. When you see a man that much bigger than you and you have to block him you always go low. Ask Isaiah Robertson.

Sorry Vinny i was gunning for the compare and contrast angle...my bad.

Twitch-Houston
10-10-2007, 11:36 AM
Exactly. On Demons and Saints: A Story About Travis Johnson and Media Hype (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/10/10/on-demons-and-saints-a-story-about-travis-johnson-and-media-hyp/)

Good story. I'm glad you wrote it because I've been talking about TJ's personality to my coworkers this week. When I still lived in Houston and worked for Apple, TJ came in quite a bit. He was always very laid back and nice to talk to. I challenge anyone to say they have never blown up and said things they regret. Plus he uses Apple computers so it's just another plus in my book...ha ha

Anyway, just my two cents about TJ.

swtbound07
10-10-2007, 11:41 AM
i'd be upset too if somebody did something that could end my career. I'd still be pissed. If you asked me about it 3 days later...still. I feel bad that a 35 yard loss got turned into a 15 yard gain because of emotion.

Hervoyel
10-10-2007, 11:42 AM
That was a great story TC. I'd rep you in here but I "must wait to give rep....."

infantrycak
10-10-2007, 11:44 AM
Anyone get the feeling that TJ won't be a Texan in 2008?

I can see this FO moving him at some point during the off-season. It's a shame, IMO, but they have always been a bit hardline about negative press towards the Texans.

I don't see that at all unless his production is unsatisfactory. It's one thing to avoid bringing new problems in, but quite another to get rid of a solid player whose "misconduct" has only resulted in press stories--not all of them negative.

HoustonFrog
10-10-2007, 11:44 AM
Why? It was a legal hit...a reason they didn't throw the flag of course. z While it isn't considered kosher to gun for the knees, I think it's obvious that Green didn't intend to knock himself out with Johnson's knee. When you see a man that much bigger than you and you have to block him you always go low. Ask Isaiah Robertson.

Agreed. They are talking about it on Rome right now.

Double Barrel
10-10-2007, 12:07 PM
I don't see that at all unless his production is unsatisfactory. It's one thing to avoid bringing new problems in, but quite another to get rid of a solid player whose "misconduct" has only resulted in press stories--not all of them negative.

yeah, but he dropped an F-bomb. It really hurt Mr. McNair's ears when he heard it.

Just sayin', with the focus on 'good character' that this team has historically displayed, it would not surprise me.

Speculation on my part, nothing more or less.

Vinny
10-10-2007, 12:15 PM
Agreed. They are talking about it on Rome right now.
The National media take is that he stood over him and pointed his finger and cursed him at him like a thug and wasn't just waking past him. The media didn't like the real time footage so most of them just show freeze frames or show the slow-motion captions that make it look like he stood there.....but that's what American's seem to like in our LCD age of media...sensationalism.

The Pencil Neck
10-10-2007, 12:27 PM
The National media take is that he stood over him and pointed his finger and cursed him at him like a thug and wasn't just waking past him. The media didn't like the real time footage so most of them just show freeze frames or show the slow-motion captions that make it look like he stood there.....but that's what American's seem to like in our LCD age of media...sensationalism.

Don't blame this on our age. William Randolph Hearst made millions on this sort of thing a looooooong time ago.

Sensational sells. Always has, alway swill.

OK. That was originally a typo and then I put it back in.

HoustonFrog
10-10-2007, 12:28 PM
The National media take is that he stood over him and pointed his finger and cursed him at him like a thug and wasn't just waking past him. The media didn't like the real time footage so most of them just show freeze frames or show the slow-motion captions that make it look like he stood there.....but that's what American's seem to like in our LCD age of media...sensationalism.

Without a doubt. Right now they are just taking reactions of people appalled and that Trent Green was just trying to make a play. I didn't like the reaction of TJ personally..just how it hit me...but I don't think Trent Green just tried real hard and didn't take out TJs knees. People act like players crackback and take out knees all the time. I've heard favre twice already.

Maddict5
10-10-2007, 12:56 PM
i can imagine it now- we get rid of travis and draft a DT with our 1st rounder :gun:

Texan_Bill
10-10-2007, 01:16 PM
I thought Mark Schlereth was smarter than that. He's comparing Green's block to an offensive linemen's 'chop' blocking a D-lineman.

Apples??? Hello, I'm oranges.

HoustonFrog
10-10-2007, 01:17 PM
I thought Mark Schlereth was smarter than that. He's comparing Green's block to an offensive linemen's 'chop' blocking a D-lineman.

Apples??? Hello, I'm oranges.

Yeah I'm surprised too. He also compared it to him taking on a guy after an interception....hello, he wouldn't dive at his knees.

mexican_texan
10-10-2007, 03:20 PM
Anyone get the feeling that TJ won't be a Texan in 2008?

I can see this FO moving him at some point during the off-season. It's a shame, IMO, but they have always been a bit hardline about negative press towards the Texans.
I think TJ will be a Texan until his contract runs out, and probably afterwards. Kubiak was supportive of TJ, despite not being pleased about his reaction. The media has overblown TJ's reputation. If what the Chronicle has been saying is all true, there's no way Kubiak would have a guy like that on the team. Linemen hate low blocks, I don't blame him for his reaction.

Double Barrel
10-10-2007, 04:25 PM
at first, when i read this, my immediate reaction was "wtf? no way what a dumb question"

and then i thought about it a little and came back to it. it's a very good question, and really i don't know how to answer it completely. uncle bob seems to want only the 'good moral fiber' type on his team. but remember dunta came up firing at the golden boy last year and though i don't have anyway of knowing if anything was said to him he's still around.

add to it that tj has been pretty decent this year, a plus instead of a minus. if he continues to have a solid year, and duh, no more press frenzy feeding comments then i have to believe he's still here next year. personally, i think he was totally justified in his on field reaction...and some of what he said after the game. i think if he would've just said something like, "hey, he went for a cheap shot and got the wrong end of the stick. i'm glad i'm not as seriously injured as i could've been, and i hope he's alright, but it was still a pretty underhanded thing to do." apologizing for his reaction might of smoothed it over but i wouldn't do it if i were in his shoes...

yeah, I don't disagree. It's just food for thought on my part.

But I think it's a big difference to compare D.Rob's comments about Carr last off-season with what TJ did on the field and especially in the locker room (after the game). D.Rob was venting on a situation that he probably had a little more insight than the rest of us at the time. Plus, he's one of our best players. TJ does not have that particular luxury.

While many of us certainly understand the reasons behind his actions, the simple fact remains that the Texans are getting a lot of negative pub on the national circuit about this incident. And regardless of what fans think or support, Uncle Bob is very sensitive to marketing angles. I have little doubt that he does not want his franchise to have the 'thug' tag like the Raiders carry. He has tended to go for the Boy Scout angle more often than not, even to our detriment sometimes.

ubecool454
10-10-2007, 05:13 PM
I think being a bust is punishment enough for TJ.

DEFINE BUST

Texans_Chick
10-10-2007, 05:21 PM
yeah, I don't disagree. It's just food for thought on my part.

But I think it's a big difference to compare D.Rob's comments about Carr last off-season with what TJ did on the field and especially in the locker room (after the game). D.Rob was venting on a situation that he probably had a little more insight than the rest of us at the time. Plus, he's one of our best players. TJ does not have that particular luxury.

While many of us certainly understand the reasons behind his actions, the simple fact remains that the Texans are getting a lot of negative pub on the national circuit about this incident. And regardless of what fans think or support, Uncle Bob is very sensitive to marketing angles. I have little doubt that he does not want his franchise to have the 'thug' tag like the Raiders carry. He has tended to go for the Boy Scout angle more often than not, even to our detriment sometimes.


I think that is a fair comment.

Though if TJ brings it on the field, all that goes away.

The Texans locker room is not filled with too many big personalities. TJ is definitely one of those, and sometimes like this time, to his detriment.

I liked the way that Kubiak handled this though. Basically, he dealt with it inhouse, talked to the league some, and moved on to try to not make it a distraction. If you don't give much for the news cycle, then they have nothing to talk about.

Leahmic223
10-10-2007, 07:22 PM
Can anyone confirm if the Olinemen of Miami continued to take shots at Travis for the rest of the game?

On the Fins board someone mentioned that Satele and Hadnot were taking shots at Johnson's knees for the game and that resulted in us sitting Travis for most of the game for his safety.

If so, then that would kind of show where his post game rant came from.

Also I think he's here next year, I think we want him here next year unless we have another plug of a DT to play for him. I mean the guy still has potential I am not sure getting rid of him makes our dline any better, IMO it makes it worse. He's just not going to have sexy stats as a DT though but IMO he has played solid for us this year.

Vinny
10-10-2007, 07:54 PM
I thought Mark Schlereth was smarter than that. He's comparing Green's block to an offensive linemen's 'chop' blocking a D-lineman.

Apples??? Hello, I'm oranges.Mark Schlereth had 29 surgeries...he thinks everyone should have knee surgery....he likes company.

junior
10-10-2007, 09:58 PM
i cracked johnson for being an ***** on the field after the play and a bigger ***** after the game, but his actions didnt constitute a fine.

just like the block, just because we dont like the comments after the game they arent against the rules. stupid comments dont get you fined as long as you dont mention referees or the nfl.

i didnt know that idio t was a bad word here.

Vinny
10-10-2007, 10:01 PM
i didnt know that idio t was a bad word here.Once I took it out most of the personal attacks went way down...it's not like I consider it a bad word, but it helps us keep attracting smarter fans since we don't have as many people calling each other idiots (you can type in 'idiots' since people don't tend to call someone an idiots) on an ongoing mindless basis.