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Texanmike02
10-09-2007, 01:59 AM
First of all... prayers go out to Green. I didn't particularly like the block, but you hate to see him go the way of Troy and Steve.

Secondly... while it was a win... and some people will point to "showing poise" it was ugly. We just out uglied the worst team in the league. That's not a good sign because we did it without their starting QB. I didn't even know Lemon was still in the league.

This is your typical young team. Its neurotic. Like I've said before. The long stretches of poor play really bother me. So does our inability to score TDs. I know we hammered that one in finally... but it never should have gotten to 4th down. I'm not sure that AJ solves that whole problem either. He's a great go get the ball kind of guy, but down in the goal line area.. he's not going to be fighting one or two guys but more likely 3 or 4. We basically played 1 1/2 quarters of solid football bookended around a pathetic display of ineptitude. Fortunately it was against Miami, with their backup QB no less. I know that int was a tip... but it was poorly thrown and there were at least 2 other passes that we are lucky wern't intercepted. I'll grade the positions first I guess.

QB - D+ Schaub was off all day. He definitely left yards out on the field because when the receivers did catch the ball they were in no position to run with it. He was high, he was low... he was ALL OVER THE PLACE. Even that long gain to Davis to set up the TD... if it was thrown 4 yards deeper, we wouldn't be talking about Dayne's .5 ypc series from the two yard line. And Kevin Walter was waiting for the ball to come to him on a go route? He did display one quality, however, which he continues to win me over with. Pocket Presence. Other than the fumble, which just happened too fast... he slid around in the pocket like a vet. His most accurate throws, oddly enough, were on the run. But that throw down the sideline to Walter... horrible. By far his worst game yet.

RB - D "D" is for Dayne. I've never been a big Dayne fan but this is sad. I used to complain that he thought he was a 195 pound scat back. But now he seems to think he's a Mack truck. He's gone from dancing through holes to avoiding them entirely. Surely that isn't the game plan. The only reason he doesn't get an F consistently is he does block. That's his one redeeming quality. That said he's quickly wearing out the welcome he created for himself during the Indy game last year.

WR - B+ Its hard to imagine, but with AJ,Mathis and JJ out... this group is stepping up quite nicely. Walter isn't fast, but he catches most of what you throw his direction and Davis is much more athletic than I gave him credit for being. Anderson contributed nicely with a key catch. All in all this group needs more "big" gains... but they help move the chains, and considering the passes they were catching, and holding on to... they get a nice grade for the game.

TE - B Daniels is a stud, and Putzier really couldn't do anything about that Int. I'm the first one to ask why someone's not fighting for a ball, but he had no chance to catch it and when it was in the air after he tipped it he was off balance and had no chance to play defensive back.

OL - D+ Despite what our pile finder of a running back, Dayne, would tell you... there were a few holes in the running game this week. Its almost like he aims 4 feet to the left or right of any hole. There were definitely some break downs in pass protection, but Schaub covered them up pretty well. Maybe we should study some Wisconsin film to see what kind of holes Dayne needs opened up for him. But then you consider the penalties. Do we have to do something illegal to gain big yards? How many big plays were we going to hold on?

DL - C- I despite the numbers, this was this groups worst game yet. I think they focused on Lemon a little too much and forgot that the real threat was lined up 3 yards behind him. Seriously, if you are running at the QB, and on your way there you see a guy carrying the ball... its a good idea to tackle him. We did get pressure, and yes... as someone alluded to earlier... we did see a finesse move from MW this week. Amobi has a lot of work to do, but for a 20 year old kid... he's definitely holding his own. I'm wondering though, has there been any consideration to flipping him and Weaver? I know Amobi has more size on him but he would be a monster at DE IMHO.

LB - C- We need some speed on this unit... like yesterday. Even Ryans looked slow to the ball to me. He had 7 tackles, but alot of them were too far down field for my taste. Clark had a nice play and a boneheaded one and Greenwood is solid but not great. Overall this was the worst game our front 7 has played all year.

DB -B- Congrats to Petey. He didn't get abused this week. DR played ok but we were going against a guy You've never heard of. Still it was funny but it was the best our defense has played against the pass all year.

Kicking game -S er Q errr.. A+ wow. My finger didn't want to type that grade. Any time you have 3 50+ field goals in a game.. including a 57 yard game winner... if you don't have a punt/kick returned for a TD or a muffed punt/kick... you have to give them an A. Kris Brown has redeemed himself for last week I suppose, but this just speaks to his inconsistency. He will have far more D's than A's.

Coaching B- Not much you can do about Schaub's game. The coach can't hold onto the ball for them. He can't tackle for them and this game could have been so different. They have a skeleton offense running out there missing 3 WRs and a RB and they are still getting some production out of the WRs. I think the play calling was there this game. I don't like running the ball with Dayne... but Schaub just flat out missed throws this week. He under threw 3 deep balls at least. We just seemed to be out of sync, and I'm not sure you can blame that on the coach entirely. I even thought his clock management was right this time. Holding the ball on the goal line at the end of the game until we finally got out of the shadow of our own goal posts... then we saw a real hurry up offense. I didn't like watching 9 seconds come off the clock though. We ran up to the line and then called a TO? Other than that not much you can say. He looked good to me we just didn't execute. And in all honesty... I'm not sure you can expect us to execute. We just don't have the talent out there right now to do it.

I don't think we learned anything about the team this week either. We know we're young and going to be prone to stretches of bad play. It is though, the second time this season that we've seen this team not fall apart when things go wrong. And if you've been a fan since the inception.. you know that's a good thing. I am sold on the fact that this isn't a playoff year for us though. We should be 4-1 right now. And thinking about squeaking by in the playoffs... but this is really the 2nd egg we've dropped after a promising effort against INDY. If we go 1-2 or 0-3 over the next 3 weeks though, I want to see a little of White at C. I think we've identified our needs though.

This team is what I thought It was. Its young, and will win games it shouldn't and lose games it should win. Overall I'd say we're right on track for 2008.

Mike

I should add something... I like the fact that we threw the ball 3 straight times on our first possession. At this point we need to establish the pass so that we can run the ball... not the other way around

brickman
10-09-2007, 07:16 AM
Great post. You hit it right on the head, especially the young, neurotic team part! Growing pains that they will experience. Hopefully, it is on the road to greater things.

Spike
10-09-2007, 05:19 PM
Great post.

In my book, a win is a win. I would rather play my worst game against a bad team and win, than play my best game against a better team and lose, so I will take the W.

I think Schaub has looked pretty solid in all games, with the exception of this game. Looking at the positives, (i) he was able to move the ball when he had to at the end of the game and (ii) the coaches have the confidence in him not to just kneel the ball in that situation. Hopefully, he can bounce back and have a better game next week.

We have a lot of injuries on the offensive side of the ball, which makes me belive that production on offense will improve when these guys get healthy. The defense worries me more than anything at this point.

76Texan
10-09-2007, 06:13 PM
Good job Mike, though I think you're a bit too harsh, especially on the QB and RBs.

I've watched NFL replay twice, but I will wait until I can analyze all the plays before I can give some kind of an opinion on the lines.

Keep it up!

hollywood_texan
10-09-2007, 06:28 PM
QB - D+ Schaub was off all day. He definitely left yards out on the field because when the receivers did catch the ball they were in no position to run with it. He was high, he was low... he was ALL OVER THE PLACE. Even that long gain to Davis to set up the TD... if it was thrown 4 yards deeper, we wouldn't be talking about Dayne's .5 ypc series from the two yard line. And Kevin Walter was waiting for the ball to come to him on a go route? He did display one quality, however, which he continues to win me over with. Pocket Presence. Other than the fumble, which just happened too fast... he slid around in the pocket like a vet. His most accurate throws, oddly enough, were on the run. But that throw down the sideline to Walter... horrible. By far his worst game yet.


You seem to give zero analysis or credit to Schaub for his play in the last minute of the game.

Is this on purpose?

Point is, I think if you did, you would be grading him around a C or C+.

Vinny
10-09-2007, 06:37 PM
Schaub was 20 of 34 for 296 yards 14.8 ypc, and led the team to a victory on his last drive from his two yard line throwing complete passes to guys who just came up from the practice squad last week in David Anderson.... Not a bad day for a guy with 3 of his top 4 WR's out of his game, the starting Center out and bush league running backs, all while getting steamrolled by Jason Taylor since he was kicking Salaam's ass all game. Yeah, he was way too harsh on the QB grade.

real
10-09-2007, 06:40 PM
Actually David Anderson was on the streets...

But nevertheless...

Vinny
10-09-2007, 06:41 PM
Actually David Anderson was on the streets...

But nevertheless...The last drive...

1-10-HOU 3 (1:33) 35-S.Gado to HOU 4 for 1 yard (54-Z.Thomas).
2-9-HOU 4 (:54) 8-M.Schaub pass short right to 81-O.Daniels pushed ob at HOU 23 for 19 yards (24-R.Hill).
1-10-HOU 23 (:47) 8-M.Schaub pass incomplete short left to 89-D.Anderson.
2-10-HOU 23 (:42) 8-M.Schaub pass short middle to 81-O.Daniels to HOU 37 for 14 yards (22-M.Lehan).
Timeout #1 by HOU at 00:36.
1-10-HOU 37 (:36) 8-M.Schaub pass deep middle to 89-D.Anderson to MIA 44 for 19 yards (22-M.Lehan).
Timeout #2 by HOU at 00:22.
1-10-MIA 44 (:22) 8-M.Schaub pass short middle to 83-K.Walter to MIA 38 for 6 yards (25-W.Allen).
2-4-MIA 38 (:22) 8-M.Schaub spiked the ball to stop the clock.
3-4-MIA 38 (:06) 3-K.Brown 57 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-48-B.Pittman, Holder-1-M.Turk.
MIA 19 HST 22 Plays: 8 Possession: 1:32
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?season=2007&week=REG5&game_id=29257

real
10-09-2007, 06:48 PM
The last drive...

1-10-HOU 3 (1:33) 35-S.Gado to HOU 4 for 1 yard (54-Z.Thomas).
2-9-HOU 4 (:54) 8-M.Schaub pass short right to 81-O.Daniels pushed ob at HOU 23 for 19 yards (24-R.Hill).
1-10-HOU 23 (:47) 8-M.Schaub pass incomplete short left to 89-D.Anderson.
2-10-HOU 23 (:42) 8-M.Schaub pass short middle to 81-O.Daniels to HOU 37 for 14 yards (22-M.Lehan).
Timeout #1 by HOU at 00:36.
1-10-HOU 37 (:36) 8-M.Schaub pass deep middle to 89-D.Anderson to MIA 44 for 19 yards (22-M.Lehan).
Timeout #2 by HOU at 00:22.
1-10-MIA 44 (:22) 8-M.Schaub pass short middle to 83-K.Walter to MIA 38 for 6 yards (25-W.Allen).
2-4-MIA 38 (:22) 8-M.Schaub spiked the ball to stop the clock.
3-4-MIA 38 (:06) 3-K.Brown 57 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-48-B.Pittman, Holder-1-M.Turk.
MIA 19 HST 22 Plays: 8 Possession: 1:32
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?season=2007&week=REG5&game_id=29257


I mean he didn't come from the practice squad...

He was on the street....

prostock101
10-09-2007, 07:03 PM
Good review Mike. I'm pretty much on board with all of it. You're really right about Dayne. His problem is lack of speed and he has turned the "one cut and run" philosophy to "no cut and fall down". Gado is only slightly better.

I'm still trying to figure out the Morency trade. I really thought he had potential and had a good preseason last year. Shermy must have owed someone in GB a big favor or they had some incriminating photos. He looked pretty good on the field Sunday night for the Pack.

I also feel like Chris Taylor would have easily made the #2 RB had he not been hurt.

I'd also like to add that I was impressed with Kubiak making the offense run the ball 4 straight times to get in the endzone on that first TD. He was pretty much telling them to get it done or walk away with no points.

Texanmike02
10-09-2007, 08:03 PM
You seem to give zero analysis or credit to Schaub for his play in the last minute of the game.

Is this on purpose?

Point is, I think if you did, you would be grading him around a C or C+.

Well this is all subjective. I watched him throw and felt like he did a poor job of throwing the ball. We were fortunate that our receivers didn't have any drops that I saw. In fact they as a whole made alot of plays for him or we wouldn't have needed a field goal to win it... we would have needed a TD.

The way I try to grade is C is average. I'm not grading him vs what I expect of him, but rather what an average QB would have done. If this were a school and I was grading him drive for drive he would have a couple of F's several C's and D's an A and a B. That doesn't average out to a C or a C-. I don't think that you are taking into account the fact that a lot of his completions were very nice catches or catches that resulted in yards left on the field because they were thrown to a spot which didn't allow them to run. We almost left a TD on the field because he under threw Davis by about 4 yards, causing him to wait on the ball and get caught. He completely missed Walters, twice i believe, and under threw him one other time. The bottom line is that we never should have been in that position to begin with. We had 294 passing yards and only scored one TD. I'm sorry that is not an average day. You are of course free to grade him how you thought he played... but overall I didn't think he threw the ball very well at all, even on several of his completions.

Mike

hollywood_texan
10-09-2007, 08:12 PM
Well this is all subjective. I watched him throw and felt like he did a poor job of throwing the ball. We were fortunate that our receivers didn't have any drops that I saw. In fact they as a whole made alot of plays for him or we wouldn't have needed a field goal to win it... we would have needed a TD.

The way I try to grade is C is average. I'm not grading him vs what I expect of him, but rather what an average QB would have done. If this were a school and I was grading him drive for drive he would have a couple of F's several C's and D's an A and a B. That doesn't average out to a C or a C-. I don't think that you are taking into account the fact that a lot of his completions were very nice catches or catches that resulted in yards left on the field because they were thrown to a spot which didn't allow them to run. We almost left a TD on the field because he under threw Davis by about 4 yards, causing him to wait on the ball and get caught. He completely missed Walters, twice i believe, and under threw him one other time. The bottom line is that we never should have been in that position to begin with. We had 294 passing yards and only scored one TD. I'm sorry that is not an average day. You are of course free to grade him how you thought he played... but overall I didn't think he threw the ball very well at all, even on several of his completions.

Mike

Outside of Kris Brown, I thought all players and the coaching staff did marginal at best during the game.

I really don't disagree with your analysis, as much as how you are grading it.

Schaub took care of business when it mattered the most and there was no room for error.

My opinion, when grading Schaub's performance, you need to weight it according to importance, and the last 1 minute of the game showed us a lot more than it seems your willing to factor into your grade.

dtran04
10-09-2007, 08:12 PM
Wow if Schaub only gets a C, I feel bad for the rest of the quarterbacks in the league. This is like the impossible engineering professor that only passes 3 students in the class.

Kaiser Toro
10-09-2007, 08:14 PM
This is like the impossible engineering professor that only passes 3 students in the class.

That is exactly what it's like. Thank you, I will be able to sleep tonight.

nunusguy
10-09-2007, 08:48 PM
"QB - D+"
***
That's ridiculous !
You obviously didn't get the word that MS was injured and was playing at less than 100 % physically.
See Schaub has this thing we've been looking for in a QB for 5 years. Its called intangibles and includes such things as leadership skills and the poise
and confidance to play effectively even when injured. Which he was. But it didn't prevent him from playing just well enough to lead us to our best ever 5 game start.

Texanmike02
10-09-2007, 09:00 PM
Wow if Schaub only gets a C, I feel bad for the rest of the quarterbacks in the league. This is like the impossible engineering professor that only passes 3 students in the class.


Most weeks he's a solid B student. This week he wasn't. I love the guy. I would sit him down though and tell him he's being graded on his entire body of work not one game and not one series. Did Dayne's game against Indy last year raise his performance a letter grade in your opinion? It was by far the best performance of anyone not named Demeco on the team all year. It didn't make up for the horrible games he had outside of that.

Mike

Texanmike02
10-09-2007, 09:16 PM
"QB - D+"
***
That's ridiculous !
You obviously didn't get the word that MS was injured and was playing at less than 100 % physically.
See Schaub has this thing we've been looking for in a QB for 5 years. Its called intangibles and includes such things as leadership skills and the poise
and confidance to play effectively even when injured. Which he was. But it didn't prevent him from playing just well enough to lead us to our best ever 5 game start.

I didn't get word that he was hurt. Link? During the broadcast they didn't mention it one time.

Mike

thegr8fan
10-09-2007, 09:35 PM
I didn't get word that he was hurt. Link? During the broadcast they didn't mention it one time.

Mike


per Kubiaks press conference on Monday, I believe, he mentioned Schaub had a sore leg or minor injury. Not sure of the extent/severity of the injury.

I am curious Mike if the TV game showed the number of times that our recievers were mugged with no flag for pass INT? The good news is they refs were consistant in NOT calling either team, but there were several calls that the crowd was legitimately calling for a flag to no avail.

also we tend to forget that this is Schaub's 7th game starting in the NFL. I think overall, for his experience level, the guy is top shelf quality. Perhaps he didn't have a good game, but the stats don't show that to be true. from sitting at the game, he looked good and composed and leading his team.

I think a B-, with all circumstances involved would be a more fair review.

other than that, I would totally agree with the rest of your review, Mike.

good stuff.

nunusguy
10-09-2007, 09:40 PM
I didn't get word that he was hurt. Link? During the broadcast they didn't mention it one time.

Mike

"Kubiak also noted that Schaub played the entire game with a deep thigh bruise and refused to use the injury as an excuse for his mistakes"
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=3746

Texanmike02
10-09-2007, 09:47 PM
per Kubiaks press conference on Monday, I believe, he mentioned Schaub had a sore leg or minor injury. Not sure of the extent/severity of the injury.

I am curious Mike if the TV game showed the number of times that our recievers were mugged with no flag for pass INT? The good news is they refs were consistant in NOT calling either team, but there were several calls that the crowd was legitimately calling for a flag to no avail.

also we tend to forget that this is Schaub's 7th game starting in the NFL. I think overall, for his experience level, the guy is top shelf quality. Perhaps he didn't have a good game, but the stats don't show that to be true. from sitting at the game, he looked good and composed and leading his team.

I think a B-, with all circumstances involved would be a more fair review.

other than that, I would totally agree with the rest of your review, Mike.

good stuff.

Appreciate the kind words man.

I mean if I grade 8 areas of the team and only 1 is argued with either I'm dead on with 7 or that one is waaaay off lol.

Seriously though, depending on how sore the leg was... that might have had alot to do with the off target throws. That was my biggest concern. I do realize that we were getting beat up past the 5 yard mark.. but even his completions were ugly for the most part. I don't just watch the game once, and still felt the same way about Schaub after the second time.

I'll say this though... If I have to grade his season as a whole he is probably on the B range. That's not as a young QB. That's just as a whole. I know the impact that Johnson/JJ/JM are having by missing time... and I know the impact that green is having by missing time... but the one complaint I have is we aren't very efficient inside the opponents 20. Really once we get to their 30 yard line or so we start to have problems. That falls as much on the coaching staff as the QB. I'm not jumping on the guy... he's still my guy... I just thought he had a bad game. It was good to see him recover to lead the team though. I'm not discounting that when I rate him and really its refreshing to see that he can do it... we've seen that in him twice now this season.

Mike

The Pencil Neck
10-09-2007, 10:16 PM
My problem with the D+ for Schaub's performance is the assumption that an average QB having an average game performs better than he did.

Sure, Schaub underthrew some, overthrew some, threw behind some guys and threw too far in front of some others, but average QB's do even worse. This was a bad day for Schaub but it was still better than most of the guys out there do on an average day. The "average" QB having an average day doesn't make most of those throws.

BigBull17
10-09-2007, 10:46 PM
I think his prefomence has to be around a B. Not great by any means, but when you drive from your 3 yrd line with 1;46, with guys like Kevin Walter and DAVID FREAKIN ANDERSON, youre doing somthing right. Im not hating, but they should never be go to guys on a 2 minute drive. Just one mans opinion.

infantrycak
10-09-2007, 10:48 PM
My problem with the D+ for Schaub's performance is the assumption that an average QB having an average game performs better than he did.

Exactly--when you are complaining about the placement of completions you are already in luxury. Good NFL QB's complete 60%+ (Schaub is at a very high 70%+) Of the other 40%, under 50% will be passes defensed and dropped balls combined with the remainder predominately poor throws and balls tossed away.

Brandon420tx
10-09-2007, 10:53 PM
And spikes.

Who thought Walter had a really good game besides me?

BigBull17
10-09-2007, 10:59 PM
And spikes.

Who thought Walter had a really good game besides me?

He had a damn good game, just like all our recievers. That to me is the big bright spot. When we needed plays, a motley crew of "who dats" stepped up and did something they shouldnt do. So much for not "surrounding" Schaub with talent eh? It seems if your good enough, you make everyone better...

Texanmike02
10-10-2007, 12:06 AM
As big of a numbers guy as I am, the completion% doesn't tell the whole story. I guess I don't have a problem with a C really, I think I'm just weighing it differently. Until the last minute of the game I thought he had played below average at the very least. The basic difference between my view and those of most is that I don't weight in his last minute as way as you. I'm ok with that... surely with Dayne and co and our secondary we can all agree on something :D

Mike

76Texan
10-11-2007, 12:04 PM
I didn't get word that he was hurt. Link? During the broadcast they didn't mention it one time.

Mike

Kubiak mentioned about it, but he also said something to this extend: "MS would tell you that he did not play well."

I'm grading him a B- because we won the game.
If we had lost, I would have given a D+ score, maybe even a D.

Texanmike02
10-11-2007, 06:24 PM
Kubiak mentioned about it, but he also said something to this extend: "MS would tell you that he did not play well."

I'm grading him a B- because we won the game.
If we had lost, I would have given a D+ score, maybe even a D.

Those are the kind of things that I don't get being out of state I guess lol. Here its all 9ers and Raiders all the time. I MIGHT get a cowboys/cheifs/broncos update but that's about it. And if Mat is saying he played a poor game......

Mike