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nunusguy
10-08-2007, 01:57 PM
Instead of plowing straight ahead with his typical bullrush, did Mario finally reward us in yesterdays game with a glimpse of some real edge speed thru a move to the outside shoulder of the LT, followed by a burst around the OT, and a sack of the QB by literaly yanking him down with one hand after grabbing his untucked jersey.
Is this wishful thinking on my part, or did we really see for the first time a speed move, a pure finesse move that resulted in a sack by Mario ?

Second Honeymoon
10-08-2007, 02:08 PM
Mario's sack was truly a great sack to behold, but he didn't make much impact and in many cases the OL were letting him go outside because they play was called to run inside of Mario. All your guard or tackle has to do then is seal the tackles and you have instant gaping hole. Mario ran himself out of plays numerous times but I would rather him taking chances than waltzing with OT and TE all the time.

That sack was a great sack though. To pull down someone that easy with the tug of a shirt with one hand while falling down on your back was testament to what Mario can do when he gets his hands on ya.

Okoye and Mario both got abused but a lot of it is due to inexperience and not reading the play correctly. They should and could both get there soon.

Vinny
10-08-2007, 02:10 PM
I didn't think Mario had a good game yesterday and was generally lost in run support...it was nice that he got a handful of jersey and pulled down the QB on that play though...a sack is a sack is a sack. Mario was on the ground way too much and he keeps running himself out of plays.

Second Honeymoon
10-08-2007, 02:23 PM
I didn't think Mario had a good game yesterday and was generally lost in run support...it was nice that he got a handful of jersey and pulled down the QB on that play though...a sack is a sack is a sack. Mario was on the ground way too much and he keeps running himself out of plays.

wow, my biggest problem with Mario is that he is on his feet too much at the end of plays. but yeah, your right that he runs himself out of plays and a lot of those are plays where some fans may think he 'got around' the OT. many times when Mario gets penetration it is because that is the blocking scheme they are using and the OL are letting him get into the backfield and then running into the lane that he vacated. Addai made a living off of that Week 3.

at the end of the day Mario had a few positive plays and a top notch sack.

Vinny
10-08-2007, 02:26 PM
wow, my biggest problem with Mario is that he is on his feet too much at the end of plays. but yeah, your right that he runs himself out of plays and a lot of those are plays where some fans may think he 'got around' the OT. many times when Mario gets penetration it is because that is the blocking scheme they are using and the OL are letting him get into the backfield and then running into the lane that he vacated. Addai made a living off of that Week 3.

at the end of the day Mario had a few positive plays and a top notch sack.I was constantly pointing out to Herv where Mario was on the ground.....when he wasn't running himself out of the play. He still has a long ways to go, but he is just too big a physical freak to think that he won't one day "get it". This isn't like a QB position where it's all that mental. In my opinion he didn't have a good day despite the sack.

nunusguy
10-08-2007, 02:40 PM
In my opinion he didn't have a good day despite the sack.
I wouldn't argue with your assessment of his performance in yesterdays game V. In general that is, but my thread was about just that single play, the sack, and my point was I hadn't seen him score a sack with that kind of move, a really quick, explosive burst "around" and not "thru" the OT as he's done in the past. I think its reassuring to see that kind of quickness from him.

real
10-08-2007, 02:47 PM
Easily one of Mario's best sacks....

Mario could easily have a ten sack year....

bckey
10-08-2007, 03:01 PM
he keeps running himself out of plays.

This is what bothers me about Mario. He seems to take the outside route to the qb all the time and ends up behind the play. The Tackle is more than happy to guide Mario in a semi circle around the qb and out of the play.

Second Honeymoon
10-08-2007, 03:07 PM
This is what bothers me about Mario. He seems to take the outside route to the qb all the time and ends up behind the play. The Tackle is more than happy to guide Mario in a semi circle around the qb and out of the play.

yup. OC exploit this constantly against us in both the running game and the short passing game (screens/shovels)

The Pencil Neck
10-08-2007, 03:13 PM
This is what bothers me about Mario. He seems to take the outside route to the qb all the time and ends up behind the play. The Tackle is more than happy to guide Mario in a semi circle around the qb and out of the play.

That's really common with more DE's than just Mario.

He's going around the edge. If the QB steps back too far, he's toast. If he sees Mario coming around the edge of the pocket, the QB should step up and hopefully a DT will be there. All the positions work together.

That said, Mario's 2 sacks against the Chiefs came from up the gut where he stunted with the DT and the DT looped around the edge and forced the QB to step up... into Mario.

kiwitexansfan
10-08-2007, 04:40 PM
Isn't where Mario is ending up also got to do with what schemes the defense is running??
Maybe the plan is to have Mario get deep and outside to force the runner into the inside lane where Demeco can clean up.

CloakNNNdagger
10-08-2007, 06:01 PM
I didn't think Mario had a good game yesterday and was generally lost in run support...it was nice that he got a handful of jersey and pulled down the QB on that play though...a sack is a sack is a sack. Mario was on the ground way too much and he keeps running himself out of plays.

When you are constantly guided by the LT to make a large outside arc to the QB, the only type of QB you're going to catch is a David Carr.........a QB that does not know how to simply step up into the pocket.

Htownsportsfan
10-08-2007, 06:10 PM
I was constantly pointing out to Herv where Mario was on the ground.....when he wasn't running himself out of the play. He still has a long ways to go, but he is just too big a physical freak to think that he won't one day "get it". This isn't like a QB position where it's all that mental. In my opinion he didn't have a good day despite the sack.

I will need to go back and watch the game again as it did not seem like he had a great game to me either. However, Kubiak on his radio show tonight mentioned Mario was co-defensive player of the week with CC. I wanted to go back after I heard that to see if thats a publicity move or if he really had a better game than I realized. Also I wanted to go back and see how Mario did when he was moved inside and see what impact it had on the game.

thunderkyss
10-08-2007, 07:17 PM
I honestly wonder if Mario watches film.

He doesn't appear to grasp down & distance, he doesn't appear to read the play, and he seems to be happy chasing the running back.

I didn't watch the whole game yet. I saw the first half.

But that play where Ted Gin fumbled the ball, Mario played the run, and was oblivious to the fact that the reverse was being ran to his side.

Had he played the QB, or the reverse, none of that bumbling fumbling Travis Johnson taunting stuff would have happened. He'd have been on top of them(& I believe that's why Ginn didn't want the ball, even after biting on the run, Mario was "there"). The ball would have been on the ground, TJ would have picked it up, and took it to the house.

But like Vinny said, he's too big, too strong, too fast not to be good. I see it all the time.

bits & pieces...

but he needs to put it together.

BattleRedToro
10-08-2007, 07:38 PM
I agree that in time the Texans D-Line will become dominant.

Vinny
10-08-2007, 07:39 PM
I will need to go back and watch the game again as it did not seem like he had a great game to me either. However, Kubiak on his radio show tonight mentioned Mario was co-defensive player of the week with CC. I wanted to go back after I heard that to see if thats a publicity move or if he really had a better game than I realized. Also I wanted to go back and see how Mario did when he was moved inside and see what impact it had on the game.
I just finished watching NFL replay (great concept) and my impression of Mario is about the same as yesterday from Reliant. I guess he got the co-player for his sack and his hustling....He was hustling all game so I'll give him that much. Can't complain about that.

I've given CC Brown a bit of grief in the past but he sure had a good game as well as Petey....so kudos to them both.

The Dolphins rookie Center was a beast and he is a big reason Brown did so well inside today....when he went out Brown didn't have huge gaping holes to blast through. I also think DeMeco didn't have his best game.

BigBull17
10-09-2007, 11:32 AM
He gets co player of the week because that sack was basically the ball game. If he doesnt make it, they at least kick a FG. So, despite a below average showing, that was one of the biggest plays of the game.

threetoedpete
10-10-2007, 02:57 AM
I didn't think Mario had a good game yesterday and was generally lost in run support...it was nice that he got a handful of jersey and pulled down the QB on that play though...a sack is a sack is a sack. Mario was on the ground way too much and he keeps running himself out of plays.

Yeah if only he could QB like vincent he'd be a prety good player. Good Grief. he's had three great games in a row and is on pace for twelve sacks....But it's never goling to be enough is it Vinny ? He is getting better every game.

Vinny
10-10-2007, 03:00 AM
Yeah if only he could QB like vincent he'd be a prety good player. Good Grief. he's had three great games in a row and is on pace for twelve sacks....But it's never goling to be enough is it Vinny ? He is getting better every game.Pete, stop talking about Vince Young every time someone doesn't agree with you...it's getting old. Stay on topic. I can critique Mario or give as many observations on him as much as I want or as I see fit. I don't have an agenda other than wanting players to play up to their cap hit. Get a grip or stay away from the booze....one or the other.

beerlover
10-10-2007, 03:22 AM
I was impressed with the Miami offensive line, the run blocking & pass protection was very good, still great players have to make plays that inspire & impact the game. I'm also a little nervous about Marios progression both in reading the play & not taking himself out of the play. I will say this Mario is most impressive in person only then can you get a real sense of his immense presence. by the way not that this really means anything but I watched Mario & Owen Daniels walk off the field together sharing the moment of a home field win on the way to the locker room :marionaner:

nunusguy
10-10-2007, 08:14 AM
Mario is most impressive in person only then can you get a real sense of his immense presence.

Glimpsing Mario up close and personal is truly memorable because he is in fact such an impressive physical specimen. I saw him without the pads at one of the practices this past summer and he looked more like an NBA PF to me than an NFL lineman. And he is hustling more & more this year, taking fewer plays off than last year: playing in good health without injury does make a big difference.
As more & more time passes I'm feeling better about him and at the same time about Kubiaks judgment in the still famous (or infamous, depending on your take?) 2006 Draft. Afterall, Mario will be only 22 years old at the end of this, his second full season and when he's a mere 25 for example he will be a five year vet in the league so time is on his side to learn all the necessary techniques down to the most minute nuances of those tecniques so to be very effective at his trade.

marks01234
10-13-2007, 02:19 PM
Glimpsing Mario up close and personal is truly memorable because he is in fact such an impressive physical specimen. I saw him without the pads at one of the practices this past summer and he looked more like an NBA PF to me than an NFL lineman. And he is hustling more & more this year, taking fewer plays off than last year: playing in good health without injury does make a big difference.
As more & more time passes I'm feeling better about him and at the same time about Kubiaks judgment in the still famous (or infamous, depending on your take?) 2006 Draft. Afterall, Mario will be only 22 years old at the end of this, his second full season and when he's a mere 25 for example he will be a five year vet in the league so time is on his side to learn all the necessary techniques down to the most minute nuances of those tecniques so to be very effective at his trade.

Mario's physically on another level. He might be the NFL's best overall athlete.

BTW, he's a pretty bad basketball player.

Livid13
10-13-2007, 04:16 PM
Do you see PLAYER DEVOLPMENT? He wasn't a Jevon Kearse, who came out guns blazing his rookie year, so what? I'd rather have an All Pro for 5-6 years than some wunderkind, who fades into nothingness. NO, I'm not saying that Mario is going to be a six timer, but the possibility is a LOT clearer than a year ago. BTW, I agree with dropping the VY comparisons, it's in the rear view mirror.

HJam72
10-14-2007, 07:47 AM
Mario's physically on another level. He might be the NFL's best overall athlete.

BTW, he's a pretty bad basketball player.

You know what? Right now I'd say that Reggie Bush is the most overhyped player in any sport that I've ever heard of, but I'd still simultaneously say that he is the most athletic player in the NFL. These things are subjective though, and Mario's a nice candidate.

Thorn
10-14-2007, 08:24 AM
You know what? Right now I'd say that Reggie Bush is the most overhyped player in any sport that I've ever heard of, but I'd still simultaneously say that he is the most athletic player in the NFL. These things are subjective though, and Mario's a nice candidate.

In the long run, I still believe we are better off with Mario instead of Bush, but only time will tell. The argument about Vince Young (of which I do like a lot) has been, at least somewhat, rendered mute because of Schaub.

It would be interesting to be able to see into the future about three or four years to find out what this famous trio is up to, and who eventually will be proven "right" or "wrong".

otisbean
10-14-2007, 09:54 AM
Mario is having a nice season so far and definitely has the tools to be awesome. While he is a tremendous athlete, I don't think he is a natural pass rusher. I think he can develop into, it will just take a little time. I think next season you will see more of MW inside on passing downs, and ultimately he could become a monster DT. I could be wrong but his skills seem a bit more suited to playing inside. Plus an Okoye MW DT tandem could be awesome.